Sensible Gun Safety

[cradleandshoot]

Dealing in stereotypes? The kids parents should be charged and tried with stiff penalties. Is recidivism a word you know?

Yes, and now thanks to you I even know how to spell it. Since you brought it up locally a couple of yutes driving a stolen car and trying to evade the police T boned a 92 year old man killing him instantly. The 17 year old yute driving the car was on parole and had been arrested 12 times over the course of one year. Yeah you read that right...12 times over the course of one year. Would that be what you might mean when you reference recidivism? I'm only asking for a friend.

[NattyBohChamps04]

And through all of the outrage on this forum none of you ever mentions the scourge of illegal weapons. When you add up the carnage night after night in urban America it never registers a blip on The Nightly News with Lester Holt. Not even a peep about how many people are shot in Chicago on a typical weekend.

We do. And most everytime you bring it up too. But you just ignore it, glaze over and keep complaining.

[cradleandshoot]

And through all of the outrage on this forum none of you ever mentions the scourge of illegal weapons. When you add up the carnage night after night in urban America it never registers a blip on The Nightly News with Lester Holt. Not even a peep about how many people are shot in Chicago on a typical weekend.

We do. And most everytime you bring it up too. But you just ignore it, glaze over and keep complaining.

It is not brought up with any intent about a sincere discussion about it. After the topic is given a brief glance y'all move back along the path of banning AR 15 type weapons.

[NattyBohChamps04]

And through all of the outrage on this forum none of you ever mentions the scourge of illegal weapons. When you add up the carnage night after night in urban America it never registers a blip on The Nightly News with Lester Holt. Not even a peep about how many people are shot in Chicago on a typical weekend.

We do. And most everytime you bring it up too. But you just ignore it, glaze over and keep complaining.

It is not brought up with any intent about a sincere discussion about it. After the topic is given a brief glance y'all move back along the path of banning AR 15 type weapons.

How about a compromise. You let the guys complaining about 5.56/2.23 10+ capacity semi-autos ban them, and we'll let you ban handguns. Deal?

[MDlaxfan76]

And through all of the outrage on this forum none of you ever mentions the scourge of illegal weapons. When you add up the carnage night after night in urban America it never registers a blip on The Nightly News with Lester Holt. Not even a peep about how many people are shot in Chicago on a typical weekend.

We do. And most everytime you bring it up too. But you just ignore it, glaze over and keep complaining.

It is not brought up with any intent about a sincere discussion about it. After the topic is given a brief glance y'all move back along the path of banning AR 15 type weapons.

How about a compromise. You let the guys complaining about 5.56/2.23 10+ capacity semi-autos ban them, and we'll let you ban handguns. Deal?

come on cradle, YOU propose a solution to murders by handgun...whether "urban" or anywhere else. (I've done so at great length multiple times).

Putting aside that per capita murders are highest in districts run by R's, typically rural, yup, there is indeed a"scourge" of handgun murders in America, many happening in the poorest areas of the country regardless of who is in charge in that region. No one is denying that reality.

Tell us in detail what the policy (or policies) would be and how it or they would be implemented and paid for. Explain what would make it or them particularly effective, say to get us down to gun murder rate comparable to other major industrialized nations.

[Typical Lax Dad]

[Typical Lax Dad]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

[cradleandshoot]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Admit it, that video gave you an erection.

[WaffleTwineFaceoff]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Wow. Quite the toxic Trifecta, TLD. Trolling, lying, and a personal attack achieved in a single post. Impressively sophomoric.

[Kismet]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Wow. Quite the toxic Trifecta, TLD. Trolling, lying, and a personal attack achieved in a single post. Impressively sophomoric.

We're still waiting for your solution..........post anytime.

[WaffleTwineFaceoff]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Wow. Quite the toxic Trifecta, TLD. Trolling, lying, and a personal attack achieved in a single post. Impressively sophomoric.

We're still waiting for your solution..........post anytime.

Does November 2023 work for you? This site has some nifty features. Such as searching user's posts. This thread. 11/14/23. Scroll down to the school/mass shooting intercept/offramp section. The section that outlines what experts - in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and at the behest of an Obama White House task force that included Biden - developed as a tool box to stop mass shootings BEFORE the day the shooter picks up a weapon and goes to school, church, workplace, club or mall.

The incident in Georgia, as facts emerge, is a textbook case of more than a year of missed intercept/offramp "see something, say something" opportunities by law enforcement, teachers, students, neighbors et. al with warning sirens BLARING. With a growing litany of numerous additional ancillary warning sirens being added in as more facts emerge, just for good measure. But folks here are dismissive and derisive regarding "see something, say something" as an incredibly powerful tool. Georgia is destined to be another textbook case of a shooting which should have been averted "a hundred times" in the days, weeks, months, and year BEFORE the day a trigger was pulled.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[PizzaSnake]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Wow. Quite the toxic Trifecta, TLD. Trolling, lying, and a personal attack achieved in a single post. Impressively sophomoric.

We're still waiting for your solution..........post anytime.

This site has some nifty features. Such as searching user's posts. This thread. 11/14/23. Scroll down to the school/mass shooting intercept/offramp section. The section that outlines what experts - in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and at the behest of an Obama White House task force that included Biden - developed as a tool box to stop mass shootings BEFORE the day the shooter picks up a weapon and goes to school, church, workplace, club or mall.

The incident in Georgia, as facts emerge, is a textbook case of more than a year of missed intercept/offramp "see something, say something" opportunities by law enforcement, teachers, students, neighbors et. al with warning sirens BLARING. With a growing litany of numerous additional ancillary warning sirens being added in as more facts emerge, just for good measure. But folks here are dismissive and derisive regarding "see something, say something" as an incredibly powerful tool. Georgia is destined to be another textbook case of a shooting which should have been averted "a hundred times" in the days, weeks, months, and year BEFORE the day a trigger was pulled.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[WaffleTwineFaceoff]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Wow. Quite the toxic Trifecta, TLD. Trolling, lying, and a personal attack achieved in a single post. Impressively sophomoric.

We're still waiting for your solution..........post anytime.

This site has some nifty features. Such as searching user's posts. This thread. 11/14/23. Scroll down to the school/mass shooting intercept/offramp section. The section that outlines what experts - in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and at the behest of an Obama White House task force that included Biden - developed as a tool box to stop mass shootings BEFORE the day the shooter picks up a weapon and goes to school, church, workplace, club or mall.

The incident in Georgia, as facts emerge, is a textbook case of more than a year of missed intercept/offramp "see something, say something" opportunities by law enforcement, teachers, students, neighbors et. al with warning sirens BLARING. With a growing litany of numerous additional ancillary warning sirens being added in as more facts emerge, just for good measure. But folks here are dismissive and derisive regarding "see something, say something" as an incredibly powerful tool. Georgia is destined to be another textbook case of a shooting which should have been averted "a hundred times" in the days, weeks, months, and year BEFORE the day a trigger was pulled.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I assume you're trying to be clever and make some sort of point, but Google translate didn't come up with anything.

Enjoy your weekend, ladies and gentlemen.

[Kismet]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Wow. Quite the toxic Trifecta, TLD. Trolling, lying, and a personal attack achieved in a single post. Impressively sophomoric.

We're still waiting for your solution..........post anytime.

Does November 2023 work for you? This site has some nifty features. Such as searching user's posts. This thread. 11/14/23. Scroll down to the school/mass shooting intercept/offramp section. The section that outlines what experts - in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and at the behest of an Obama White House task force that included Biden - developed as a tool box to stop mass shootings BEFORE the day the shooter picks up a weapon and goes to school, church, workplace, club or mall.

The incident in Georgia, as facts emerge, is a textbook case of more than a year of missed intercept/offramp "see something, say something" opportunities by law enforcement, teachers, students, neighbors et. al with warning sirens BLARING. With a growing litany of numerous additional ancillary warning sirens being added in as more facts emerge, just for good measure. But folks here are dismissive and derisive regarding "see something, say something" as an incredibly powerful tool. Georgia is destined to be another textbook case of a shooting which should have been averted "a hundred times" in the days, weeks, months, and year BEFORE the day a trigger was pulled.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Apparently another amendment often gets in the way of your proposed solution - probable cause as a legal standard is quite high in most cases. Amazed that a proud constitutionalist misses this little nuance. The police knew about the kid and his family, they found them, interviewed them but could take any action because there is another amendment in this country that prevents it. Also in this case, they happened to MOVE to another place after the interview and sadly, that information never got to the new school and law enforcement. Mom is already a convicted criminal and that basic information never made it to the new school either.

Maybe some day you can rationalize for me why this country needs millions upon millions of semi-automatic weapons and makes it relatively easy to acquire them - (I understand why the companies that manufacture these weapons want more of them) - in fact there are more weapons than people - may explain why all the criminals have access to the same HUGE quantity and supply of firearms illegally - that are THAT easy to get.

[WaffleTwineFaceoff]

Apparently another amendment often gets in the way of your proposed solution - probable cause as a legal standard is quite high in most cases. Amazed that a proud constitutionalist misses this little nuance. The police knew about the kid and his family, they found them, interviewed them but could take any action because there is another amendment in this country that prevents it.

My second cup of coffee - I brewed up an A- this morning if I do say so myself (my spouse agrees) - is almost done and I shall direct my weekend toward doing a bunch of cool stuff. Fun is in the forecast.

Many folks here seem perfectly a-ok with red flag laws. I have my reservations, based on the feature the majority of such laws incorporate: The ex-parte part. I've expressed in at least a half dozen posts here my thoughts on allowing Red Flag laws that have checks and balances against abuses centered on the ex-parte part, and no consequences for those who abuse "throwing a red flag".

Many documented cases where disgruntled exes, co-workers, law enforcement, even judges, etc. have - knowing there are no consequences - steamrolled an innocent person. Removing the ex-parte part and imposing severe penalties (as in Felony/fines) for those abusing such laws would allow the selective activation of intervention which in the case of Georgia would have been very effective.

I hope that clears up my position - which I have stated many times here - regarding Red Flag laws. A potentially powerful tool for offramp/intervention which is in most instances being written in a way that provides no checks on abuses. The White House department of Gun Violence headed by Kamala has a statement on Red Flag laws with NO mention of protecting from abuses. That is why most folks look at Red Flag laws as flawed, and push back against them.

Okay, my excellent coffee is getting cold.

Have a nice weekend.

[Typical Lax Dad]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Wow. Quite the toxic Trifecta, TLD. Trolling, lying, and a personal attack achieved in a single post. Impressively sophomoric.

You are pro school shooting.

[WaffleTwineFaceoff]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Wow. Quite the toxic Trifecta, TLD. Trolling, lying, and a personal attack achieved in a single post. Impressively sophomoric.

You are pro school shooting.

And you are deploying about 8 different logical fallacies to come up with that warped, slanderous, and patently false lie. I don't appreciate such a disgusting allegation. Administration has received a note from me to that effect. I would hope others on this thread would report your post, too, but I won't hold my breath.

[Typical Lax Dad]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Wow. Quite the toxic Trifecta, TLD. Trolling, lying, and a personal attack achieved in a single post. Impressively sophomoric.

You are pro school shooting.

And you are deploying about 8 different logical fallacies to come up with that warped, slanderous, and patently false lie. I don't appreciate such a disgusting allegation. Administration has received a note from me to that effect. I would hope others on this thread would report your post, too, but I won't hold my breath.

You and people like you are also pro gun violence.

[OCanada]

Dealing in stereotypes? The kids parents should be charged and tried with stiff penalties. Is recidivism a word you know?

Yes, and now thanks to you I even know how to spell it. Since you brought it up locally a couple of yutes driving a stolen car and trying to evade the police T boned a 92 year old man killing him instantly. The 17 year old yute driving the car was on parole and had been arrested 12 times over the course of one year. Yeah you read that right...12 times over the course of one year. Would that be what you might mean when you reference recidivism? I'm only asking for a friend.

One way go duck the issue, its SOP for you. You provided no link or receipt. Where did the yute live

[PizzaSnake]

He gets the W.T.F/C&S vote. They are pro school shooting.

Wow. Quite the toxic Trifecta, TLD. Trolling, lying, and a personal attack achieved in a single post. Impressively sophomoric.

We're still waiting for your solution..........post anytime.

This site has some nifty features. Such as searching user's posts. This thread. 11/14/23. Scroll down to the school/mass shooting intercept/offramp section. The section that outlines what experts - in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and at the behest of an Obama White House task force that included Biden - developed as a tool box to stop mass shootings BEFORE the day the shooter picks up a weapon and goes to school, church, workplace, club or mall.

The incident in Georgia, as facts emerge, is a textbook case of more than a year of missed intercept/offramp "see something, say something" opportunities by law enforcement, teachers, students, neighbors et. al with warning sirens BLARING. With a growing litany of numerous additional ancillary warning sirens being added in as more facts emerge, just for good measure. But folks here are dismissive and derisive regarding "see something, say something" as an incredibly powerful tool. Georgia is destined to be another textbook case of a shooting which should have been averted "a hundred times" in the days, weeks, months, and year BEFORE the day a trigger was pulled.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

I assume you're trying to be clever and make some sort of point, but Google translate didn't come up with anything.

Enjoy your weekend, ladies and gentlemen.

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