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Re: media matters

Posted: Sun May 07, 2023 1:20 pm
by a fan
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 1:00 pm I've gotten to the part where Bill is whining about being attacked, "canceled" in Piers' words, on Twitter.

Come on, comedians have never not been attacked for their pushing the boundaries of free speech. They used to only be able to do so in the bowels of comedy club, and even there the police could come in and shut them down. When they went on mass media, they had to toe a much tougher line...and they did.
Comedians were thrown in freaking jail if they dared speak their minds. Lenny Bruce.

Bill Maher? His show was freaking canceled! LONG before there was any such thing as woke.

This "cancel culture" nonsense? We've been over this: This. Is. Nothing. New. And it was invented by the AmericanRight and the AmericanCenter.

"Freedom fries" ring a bell with anyone?

People are simply annoyed that "someone else" (the far left) is the crew doing the canceling for a change. That's all this is about. Nothing more.

For me? I'm annoyed by all of them. Doubly so by those who whine about the libs when they do the cancelling-----and then cheer it on when Bud Light gets hit. It's all stupid, petty, and small.

Re: media matters

Posted: Sun May 07, 2023 5:04 pm
by DMac
a fan wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 12:54 pm They covered a ton of subjects. What was it that got your attention, Dmac?
I've gone through periods when I've liked and not liked both of these guys.
I think Maher has been hitting home runs for a pretty good stretch.
Many things caught my attention and I don't see either one of them whining.
Agree the whole world has gone nuts.
Trump's trampling of norms and his examples of.
People not voting for who they like but voting for who they dislike the least.
Teenagers influence.
Echo his sentiments on Harry and Meghan.
The royal family is an anachronism.
Social media and the Karens.
Thought it was a pretty good discussion, covered a lot, yes, I agreed with most of what I heard.

Re: media matters

Posted: Sun May 07, 2023 6:57 pm
by PizzaSnake
So, we need to go to Spanish media to get the footage of the Range Rover "duckpins"? I surely hope the driver was having a medical emergency. Otherwise...


Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 2:40 pm
by MDlaxfan76
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 1:00 pm
DMac wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 11:57 am I think you might be surprised, let me know your reaction.
I've gotten to the part where Bill is whining about being attacked, "canceled" in Piers' words, on Twitter.

Come on, comedians have never not been attacked for their pushing the boundaries of free speech. They used to only be able to do so in the bowels of comedy club, and even there the police could come in and shut them down. When they went on mass media, they had to toe a much tougher line...and they did.

But now, comics expect to be on mass media and say any darn thing they want...without public reaction? Of course people will not like some of what they say.

so, why whine about it?

This is an enormously well paid 66 yr old something comic who says pretty much anything he wants...and his whine is that teenagers are "mean girls"???

I'll be back...
Mid part was very good, he lost me again at the very end, including Piers' claim too fascism of the "woke" crowd. It's not that I don't agree that extremism doesn't need to be rebuked, but come on guys, you're old guys complaining about teenagers. What's new?

You (Bill and Piers) say "I haven't changed"...maybe that's the problem you're experiencing, you're not letting your comprehension keep up, as your perspective just ain't the same. The young, pushiest folks are making you uncomfortable because their critique wasn't something you considered 40 years ago yourself...because other issues were front and center...same as each generation, guys.

What you thought was obvious (and progressive) was considered downright radical by the "progressives" of earlier generations...

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm
by youthathletics
Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.

Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 3:34 pm
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.

Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
uh huh...old guy rant... ;)

let's see civil rights marches, dogs and fire hoses, college kids sitting in and shot by National Guard, riot after riot, assassinations, women burning bras, college kids burning draft cards and American flags. Gay folks beaten in NY...gay parades. Black Panthers. Bombings...

Sure, "critique" in every area...what were the old 'progressives' saying about those youngsters, give'em hell?
Nope, they said slow down, quieten down, take your time, progress will come.

And they blamed Dr. Spock for our generation being so impatient..."spoiled"...

meanwhile...

Every major era of social unrest has young people fed up with the status quo and older generations saying slow down.

Yes, social media provides a way to express one's voice faster...

but "me too" was real and way, way overdue.

Gay marriage came super fast relative to older generation's assumptions, but young folks were saying, what the heck are you talking about, of course people should be free to marry who they want.

BLM happened largely because it was simply time, with most people outraged by what they saw over and over again with the now ubiquitous cell phone cameras...why should we put up with this police violence anymore?

Of course, there's extreme positions, demanding professors can't say what they think, challenge their students with views they find uncomfortable...of course, it's always been the case of young folks pushing harder and harder when they don't think society is listening.

And hey, "society" (meaning the old folks) really aren't listening...so young folks yell louder...

Obviously, there's something to be said for the perspective of the older generation, but dismissing the young folks the way you just did is the opposite of listening.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 3:45 pm
by PizzaSnake
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 3:34 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.

Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
uh huh...old guy rant... ;)

let's see civil rights marches, dogs and fire hoses, college kids sitting in and shot by National Guard, riot after riot, assassinations, women burning bras, college kids burning draft cards and American flags. Gay folks beaten in NY...gay parades. Black Panthers. Bombings...

Sure, "critique" in every area...what were the old 'progressives' saying about those youngsters, give'em hell?
Nope, they said slow down, quieten down, take your time, progress will come.

And they blamed Dr. Spock for our generation being so impatient..."spoiled"...

meanwhile...

Every major era of social unrest has young people fed up with the status quo and older generations saying slow down.

Yes, social media provides a way to express one's voice faster...

but "me too" was real and way, way overdue.

Gay marriage came super fast relative to older generation's assumptions, but young folks were saying, what the heck are you talking about, of course people should be free to marry who they want.

BLM happened largely because it was simply time, with most people outraged by what they saw over and over again with the now ubiquitous cell phone cameras...why should we put up with this police violence anymore?

Of course, there's extreme positions, demanding professors can't say what they think, challenge their students with views they find uncomfortable...of course, it's always been the case of young folks pushing harder and harder when they don't think society is listening.

And hey, "society" (meaning the old folks) really aren't listening...so young folks yell louder...

Obviously, there's something to be said for the perspective of the older generation, but dismissing the young folks the way you just did is the opposite of listening.
Demographics is destiny.

Rail all “you” (the royal “you”, not anyone in particular)want; change is happening and will continue.

Bill surprises me. I thought he was smarter, his use of clever French phrasing notwithstanding.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:00 pm
by MDlaxfan76
PizzaSnake wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 3:45 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 3:34 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.

Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
uh huh...old guy rant... ;)

let's see civil rights marches, dogs and fire hoses, college kids sitting in and shot by National Guard, riot after riot, assassinations, women burning bras, college kids burning draft cards and American flags. Gay folks beaten in NY...gay parades. Black Panthers. Bombings...

Sure, "critique" in every area...what were the old 'progressives' saying about those youngsters, give'em hell?
Nope, they said slow down, quieten down, take your time, progress will come.

And they blamed Dr. Spock for our generation being so impatient..."spoiled"...

meanwhile...

Every major era of social unrest has young people fed up with the status quo and older generations saying slow down.

Yes, social media provides a way to express one's voice faster...

but "me too" was real and way, way overdue.

Gay marriage came super fast relative to older generation's assumptions, but young folks were saying, what the heck are you talking about, of course people should be free to marry who they want.

BLM happened largely because it was simply time, with most people outraged by what they saw over and over again with the now ubiquitous cell phone cameras...why should we put up with this police violence anymore?

Of course, there's extreme positions, demanding professors can't say what they think, challenge their students with views they find uncomfortable...of course, it's always been the case of young folks pushing harder and harder when they don't think society is listening.

And hey, "society" (meaning the old folks) really aren't listening...so young folks yell louder...

Obviously, there's something to be said for the perspective of the older generation, but dismissing the young folks the way you just did is the opposite of listening.
Demographics is destiny.

Rail all “you” (the royal “you”, not anyone in particular)want; change is happening and will continue.

Bill surprises me. I thought he was smarter, his use of clever French phrasing notwithstanding.
I think he enjoys being the naysayer, and that's what butters his bread; it's on brand...and he's old so I suspect he just doesn't understand his own blind spots. But mostly it's about being able to claim he's able to critique either side.

And it gets eyeballs. And reaction...gets paid, stays relevant, despite age.

And, of course, there's indeed extremism on the left that deserves some rebuke from time to time.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:22 pm
by DMac
MDlaxfan76 wrote
Mid part was very good
So there you go, two guys you wouldn't have watched but found out they aint so bad after all.
As noted, I found it to be an interesting discussion (civil and a lot covered) and I'm sticking with
agreeing with most of it. You guys can tear them apart all you want (Bill's not smart enough for
Snake but then again, few are) but some good analysis nonetheless, IMO.
JFTR, I don't watch any of these talking heads shows (or any news), just catch them now and then
when they pop up on YouTube. I get the majority of my news from you guys so I must be way ahead
of most others. ;)

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:39 pm
by old salt
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.

Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
This Prof was on CSPAN Booknotes last night. She's a little dry, but she validates your theory.

https://www.c-span.org/series/?qa

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 7:21 pm
by MDlaxfan76
DMac wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 4:22 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote
Mid part was very good
So there you go, two guys you wouldn't have watched but found out they aint so bad after all.
As noted, I found it to be an interesting discussion (civil and a lot covered) and I'm sticking with
agreeing with most of it. You guys can tear them apart all you want (Bill's not smart enough for
Snake but then again, few are) but some good analysis nonetheless, IMO.
JFTR, I don't watch any of these talking heads shows (or any news), just catch them now and then
when they pop up on YouTube. I get the majority of my news from you guys so I must be way ahead
of most others. ;)
But they said nothing I hadn't heard them say before, including the parts with which I quite disagree, which used the bulk of the overall time...beginning and then ending.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 8:55 pm
by PizzaSnake
Back to Brownsville. Go watch the video from the shelter. The chief is mistaken. The Range Rover doesn’t flip onto its dide until after it jumps curb immediately prior to hitting the men sitting on the curb.

I’m curious if he didn’t watch it or if he is just parroting some official talking point. Or maybe it’s my ly’in eyes…

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 9:31 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.
Why are they making headlines? Because politicians keep passing laws that target them in an effort to score points with voters. And it's working, naturally.

Tell them to stop doing that, YA, and I promise you the headlines will disappear.
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
I keep hearing this, but that's not what I'm experiencing. Is this how you parent, YA?

My experience? Every playground around me is FILLED every day after school. As is every field......soccer, baseball, football, etc.. All of them filled with kids 5-18. My daughter? Her friends and classmates are EVERYTHING to her. And they ain't sitting around watching phones. They're playing.....just like I did when I was a kid.

Some of her buds? They are, for me----for me------, programming too much stuff. So every day it's a new club or "lesson" (piano, voice, etc). For us, we make sure she has days where she's left to her own devices.

Your mileage might vary. But I'm not seeing the doom and gloom we keep hearing from Boomers and GenX geezers like me.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 9:50 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
a fan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 9:31 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.
Why are they making headlines? Because politicians keep passing laws that target them in an effort to score points with voters. And it's working, naturally.

Tell them to stop doing that, YA, and I promise you the headlines will disappear.
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
I keep hearing this, but that's not what I'm experiencing. Is this how you parent, YA?

My experience? Every playground around me is FILLED every day after school. As is every field......soccer, baseball, football, etc.. All of them filled with kids 5-18. My daughter? Her friends and classmates are EVERYTHING to her. And they ain't sitting around watching phones. They're playing.....just like I did when I was a kid.

Some of her buds? They are, for me----for me------, programming too much stuff. So every day it's a new club or "lesson" (piano, voice, etc). For us, we make sure she has days where she's left to her own devices.

Your mileage might vary. But I'm not seeing the doom and gloom we keep hearing from Boomers and GenX geezers like me.
The young people we hire each year are impressive. Mentoring our young people is one aspect of my job that I really enjoy.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 9:57 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 9:31 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.
Why are they making headlines? Because politicians keep passing laws that target them in an effort to score points with voters. And it's working, naturally.

Tell them to stop doing that, YA, and I promise you the headlines will disappear.
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
I keep hearing this, but that's not what I'm experiencing. Is this how you parent, YA?

My experience? Every playground around me is FILLED every day after school. As is every field......soccer, baseball, football, etc.. All of them filled with kids 5-18. My daughter? Her friends and classmates are EVERYTHING to her. And they ain't sitting around watching phones. They're playing.....just like I did when I was a kid.

Some of her buds? They are, for me----for me------, programming too much stuff. So every day it's a new club or "lesson" (piano, voice, etc). For us, we make sure she has days where she's left to her own devices.

Your mileage might vary. But I'm not seeing the doom and gloom we keep hearing from Boomers and GenX geezers like me.
Just watched that CSPAN link OS posted. Given it watch…..worth the hour. We aren’t that far off between us. You tend to lean in a a bit more with partisanship, but generational tech has a say as well.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 10:23 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 9:57 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 9:31 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.
Why are they making headlines? Because politicians keep passing laws that target them in an effort to score points with voters. And it's working, naturally.

Tell them to stop doing that, YA, and I promise you the headlines will disappear.
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
I keep hearing this, but that's not what I'm experiencing. Is this how you parent, YA?

My experience? Every playground around me is FILLED every day after school. As is every field......soccer, baseball, football, etc.. All of them filled with kids 5-18. My daughter? Her friends and classmates are EVERYTHING to her. And they ain't sitting around watching phones. They're playing.....just like I did when I was a kid.

Some of her buds? They are, for me----for me------, programming too much stuff. So every day it's a new club or "lesson" (piano, voice, etc). For us, we make sure she has days where she's left to her own devices.

Your mileage might vary. But I'm not seeing the doom and gloom we keep hearing from Boomers and GenX geezers like me.
Just watched that CSPAN link OS posted. Given it watch…..worth the hour. We aren’t that far off between us. You tend to lean in a a bit more with partisanship, but generational tech has a say as well.
I watched about 30 min so far. She's making broad, broad generalizations using self-evaluation surveys. Helpful, sure, but far from hard science. I'll try and watch the rest. Yes, I lean on the partisanship because unlike previous generations, folks aren't all getting their news from Cronkite.

You didn't answer my question.....what are YOU experiencing with kids?. You're coaching youth lax, are you not?

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 11:34 pm
by old salt
a fan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 10:23 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 9:57 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 9:31 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.
Why are they making headlines? Because politicians keep passing laws that target them in an effort to score points with voters. And it's working, naturally.

Tell them to stop doing that, YA, and I promise you the headlines will disappear.
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
I keep hearing this, but that's not what I'm experiencing. Is this how you parent, YA?

My experience? Every playground around me is FILLED every day after school. As is every field......soccer, baseball, football, etc.. All of them filled with kids 5-18. My daughter? Her friends and classmates are EVERYTHING to her. And they ain't sitting around watching phones. They're playing.....just like I did when I was a kid.

Some of her buds? They are, for me----for me------, programming too much stuff. So every day it's a new club or "lesson" (piano, voice, etc). For us, we make sure she has days where she's left to her own devices.

Your mileage might vary. But I'm not seeing the doom and gloom we keep hearing from Boomers and GenX geezers like me.
Just watched that CSPAN link OS posted. Given it watch…..worth the hour. We aren’t that far off between us. You tend to lean in a a bit more with partisanship, but generational tech has a say as well.
I watched about 30 min so far. She's making broad, broad generalizations using self-evaluation surveys. Helpful, sure, but far from hard science. I'll try and watch the rest. Yes, I lean on the partisanship because unlike previous generations, folks aren't all getting their news from Cronkite.

You didn't answer my question.....what are YOU experiencing with kids?. You're coaching youth lax, are you not?
She analyzed massive amounts of standardized govt surveys. @ 30 min in, she's still dealing with the Greatest Gen & their boomer offspring.
You didn't get to the part about millennials, gen x, social media & cancel culture.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 7:22 am
by CU88a
May 8, 2023 (Monday)
HEATHER COX RICHARDSON
MAY 9, 2023

The man authorities have identified as the shooter who murdered eight people and wounded at least seven others at a mall in Allen, Texas, on Saturday, Mauricio Garcia, appears to have been a white supremacist. He sported Nazi tattoos and wore a patch on his vest that said “RWDS,” which stands for “Right Wing Death Squad.” (Hispanic-Americans often identify as white, and as scholar of white power movements Kathleen Belew noted on Twitter, today’s militant right holds together largely because of their interest “in hurting vulnerable communities, antisemitism, anti-Islam, anti-trans, misogynist violence.”)

A search by Aric Toler of the Netherlands-based investigative journalism group Bellingcat turned up what appears to be Garcia’s social media account on an unmoderated Russian site. In his postings, he wrote: “A lot of the stuff going on in f*cking clown world. You better believe their wouldn’t be we’ll convert your children drag queen story hour loser’s running around loose. No [Jewish-controlled government] communist or liberal fake news media under Hitlers watch”.

Garcia had been dismissed from the Army for mental-health reasons three months after entering the service, but the reference to “drag queen story hour losers” reflects the relationship between the rhetoric of the modern-day Republican Party and his self-declared membership in a RWDS.

Beginning in the 1980s, Republican leaders found voters to support their “supply-side” economics, which cut taxes and regulations to concentrate wealth so investors could bolster growth, by turning their base against “liberals.” Calling those who opposed their policies “socialists” out to rig the system to redistribute wealth to minorities and women, they began the process of forging a base that considered itself the only real Americans. That process continued over the decades as right-wing media reinforced the idea. Still, though, leaders focused on their economic policies, especially tax cuts, and emphasized culture wars primarily to turn out voters.

Trump turned that formula on its head, playing directly to the base. He offered its members the anti-Black, anti-immigrant, and antiabortion measures it craved, in exchange for utter commitment to his leadership. His drive for authoritarianism dovetailed with a religious movement to create a new ideology for the Republican Party, one that explicitly rejects democracy.

That argument, articulated most clearly by Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, is that the secular principles of liberal democracy—equality before the law, free speech, freedom to go to church or not, academic inquiry, a free press, immigration, companies that can make decisions based on markets rather than morality—destroy virtue by tearing down the sexual and religious guardrails of traditional society. In order to bring that virtue back, right-wing thinkers argue, the government must defend religion and self-sacrifice (although it’s hard to miss that they’re looking for other people to make those sacrifices, not themselves).

Last week, on May 4 and 5, the Conservative Political Action Conference met in Budapest for the second time, and once again, Orbán delivered the keynote address. The theme was the uniting of the radical right across national boundaries. “Come back, Mr President,” Orbán said of Trump’s 2024 presidential bid. “Make America great again and bring us peace.” Orbán claimed his suppression of LGBTQ+ rights, academic freedom, and the media is a model for the world.

Plenty of the people there from the U.S. seemed to agree. “Hungary,” Representative Paul Gosar (R-AZ) said, “is a beacon.”

In a recorded message, Trump said conservatives were “freedom-loving patriots” who are “fighting against barbarians.” “We believe in tradition, the rule of law, freedom of speech and a God-given dignity of every human life. These are ideas that bind together our movement,” he said. He called for the audience to “stand together to defend our borders, our Judeo-Christian values, our identity and our way of life.”

While conference organizers were celebrating Hungary as the only truly free country in Europe, they were taking advantage of Hungary’s suppression of the media to permit only hand-picked journalists to cover the event. Failed Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake said that “truth-tellers and peacemakers” were being destroyed by “fake news,” as they call every journalist who criticizes them.

Jacob Heilbrunn of the National Interest was one of those barred from the conference. He watched from his hotel room and wrote in Politico, “Throughout, the idea was clear: Liberalism is synonymous with tyranny.”

This ideology is behind the right-wing attacks on immigrants, LGBTQ Americans, the media, reproductive rights, and education. Florida, led by governor Ron DeSantis, has been out front on these issues, but other Republican-dominated states are following suit. Eager to stay at the head of the “movement,” Trump recently claimed that universities are “dominated by marxist maniacs & lunatics” and vowed to bring them under control of the radical right. “He will impose real standards on American colleges and universities,” his website says, “to include defending the American tradition and Western civilization.”

That formulation is also what enables the very people who are taking away others’ rights to claim that they are the ones being persecuted. The reference to right-wing death squads on Garcia’s vest refers to former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, whose goons murdered thousands of political opponents, often by tossing them from helicopters. Since the 2016 Trump campaign, modern right-wing activists in the U.S. wear T-shirts offering “free helicopter rides,” and saying “Pinochet did nothing wrong.”

These ideas are embraced only by a minority in the United States, but that minority is working hard to cement its power by gaming the system. Election lawyer Marc Elias recently warned that “we cannot out-organize voter suppression” and that the myth that we can “minimizes the real world effects of repeated, targeted suppression laws. It shifts the burden from the suppressors to the voters. It suggests that victims of voter suppression simply need to be better ‘organized.’”

He notes that Ohio, Arkansas, South Dakota, Idaho, and Florida have all passed voter suppression laws this year and that the new laws put in place after 2020 have worked. Minority and youth voting have dropped significantly. Since 2008, Black voting in states dominated by Democrats has increased by 1.8 points; in Republican-dominated states it has dropped by four points. In Georgia, Black participation rates dropped from 47.8% to 43.2% between 2018 and 2022. Hispanic participation dropped from 27.6% to 25.1%, and the youth vote dropped from 33% to 26%.

Voter suppression is not “campaign tactics,” Elias warns. It is “the illegal and immoral deprivation of constitutional rights.”



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https://apnews.com/article/shooting-out ... 9c06191b87

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/16 ... 0999155712

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https://twitter.com/kathleen_belew/stat ... 2063934464

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... trump-cpac

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Re: media matters

Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 7:34 am
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 10:23 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 9:57 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 9:31 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.
Why are they making headlines? Because politicians keep passing laws that target them in an effort to score points with voters. And it's working, naturally.

Tell them to stop doing that, YA, and I promise you the headlines will disappear.
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
I keep hearing this, but that's not what I'm experiencing. Is this how you parent, YA?

My experience? Every playground around me is FILLED every day after school. As is every field......soccer, baseball, football, etc.. All of them filled with kids 5-18. My daughter? Her friends and classmates are EVERYTHING to her. And they ain't sitting around watching phones. They're playing.....just like I did when I was a kid.

Some of her buds? They are, for me----for me------, programming too much stuff. So every day it's a new club or "lesson" (piano, voice, etc). For us, we make sure she has days where she's left to her own devices.

Your mileage might vary. But I'm not seeing the doom and gloom we keep hearing from Boomers and GenX geezers like me.
Just watched that CSPAN link OS posted. Given it watch…..worth the hour. We aren’t that far off between us. You tend to lean in a a bit more with partisanship, but generational tech has a say as well.
I watched about 30 min so far. She's making broad, broad generalizations using self-evaluation surveys. Helpful, sure, but far from hard science. I'll try and watch the rest. Yes, I lean on the partisanship because unlike previous generations, folks aren't all getting their news from Cronkite.

You didn't answer my question.....what are YOU experiencing with kids?. You're coaching youth lax, are you not?
I am experiencing the very thing to which I spoke. It is borderline miserable.....i've stayed coaching HS for now 5 years after my kids graducated....I think I am done. Most are completely unprepared, have next to no work ethic, their narcissism tendencies are front and center, they can't look you in the eye, they can't retain simple instructions like running a 1-4-1 Mumbo, and they cuss and blame each other like 5 year olds....and yes, we run the hell out of them when do this. Then, we have moms and dads writing letters to the AD and Principle that they want a kid kicked off the team b/c he got caught hitting a juul on the school bus and threatening to call the authorities....all in the name of making sure here precious child has his re-heated chicken nuggets and a red bull ready for dinner. And no, it's not just my view....ask any teacher in a school system, any referee in sports.

This clip about sums it up... :lol:

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 9:22 am
by DMac
a fan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 10:23 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 9:57 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 9:31 pm
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Hmmmm....disagree. I'd argue we've always considered critique, we just did not fixate on it like we were Rain man, having to see Wapner and Jeopardy before or we'd freak out and take out headlines in TMP and NYT and WSJ of our era. Now SM has provided a voice and a means of making cash off of it. If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing....no different than the argument about LGBTQ+....its such a small percentage and yet, they make headlines and everyone has to kowtow to them or they are banned and ostracized.
Why are they making headlines? Because politicians keep passing laws that target them in an effort to score points with voters. And it's working, naturally.

Tell them to stop doing that, YA, and I promise you the headlines will disappear.
youthathletics wrote: Mon May 08, 2023 2:52 pm Parents over corrected from our era or rearing. Very few had a parents that allowed them pick put in a menu request for dinner each night at the young age of 3+. In short, we've cultivated sissies with very few social skills.
I keep hearing this, but that's not what I'm experiencing. Is this how you parent, YA?

My experience? Every playground around me is FILLED every day after school. As is every field......soccer, baseball, football, etc.. All of them filled with kids 5-18. My daughter? Her friends and classmates are EVERYTHING to her. And they ain't sitting around watching phones. They're playing.....just like I did when I was a kid.

Some of her buds? They are, for me----for me------, programming too much stuff. So every day it's a new club or "lesson" (piano, voice, etc). For us, we make sure she has days where she's left to her own devices.

Your mileage might vary. But I'm not seeing the doom and gloom we keep hearing from Boomers and GenX geezers like me.
Just watched that CSPAN link OS posted. Given it watch…..worth the hour. We aren’t that far off between us. You tend to lean in a a bit more with partisanship, but generational tech has a say as well.
I watched about 30 min so far. She's making broad, broad generalizations using self-evaluation surveys. Helpful, sure, but far from hard science. I'll try and watch the rest. Yes, I lean on the partisanship because unlike previous generations, folks aren't all getting their news from Cronkite.

You didn't answer my question.....what are YOU experiencing with kids?. You're coaching youth lax, are you not?
She picks up the pace after the first 25 min or so, gets easier to listen to and becomes more interesting, IMO.
I think she's pretty good and has a pretty good grasp on what's happening out there, think she's seeing it as is
(keeping her kids away from social media as much as she can...very good idea in my book, not so much for
most parents though). Nice to know 4 out of 10 Gen Zers see the founding fathers as villains (back to the Maher clip, what do you know about G. Washington....he owned slaves) and 36% are proud to be Americans. You can feel that in the mood of the country. Sitting in front of screens = child obesity. You can see that in this country too (and now obesity is being pushed as something to be proud of...see Lizzo).
You say your playgrounds are packed, you won't see that here. I'm blown away by how seldomly you see kids outside playing (in general). Big ballfield I go by pretty regularly, soccer fields and softball fields. I see people/kids on that field when organized leagues/games are being played, never see kids out there throwing a ball around or whatever. What I'll see the most on that field is the guy who goes there to throw a frisbee for his black GSD (the dog is fantastic, doesn't miss...I'll stop and watch him for awhile) because he's got the whole field for himself and his dog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbjfOZiWVbA