Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:03 am
Can we just not admit, once and for all, that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is an offensive fool?
You are being WAAAAY too kind here. Effing moron would be more descriptive. Imbecile would also work as you wouldn't need any adjectives.
Thermonuclear a-hole would almost be perfect.
Yet still not all that many years ago trump was the darling of the left wing NYC elite social butterflies. There were not many NYC Democrat politicians that I'm aware of that turned down trumps campaign checks. Then they had an epiphany as to who trump really was. That fact might have coincided with trump saying he was now a Republican and would run against HRC. Is there anyone out there in fanlax forum land that actually believes trump is a Republican?
He is neither. Just a uniformly mega-douchbag.
Doesn't explain the love liberal NYC Democrats use to feel for trump. Was it possibly they just loved the quid pro quo about taking trumps money while greasing the skids for his buildings? Naaah, couldn't be possible..
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:51 am
by Seacoaster(1)
And incidentally, did anyone catch the "press conference" yesterday with the cereal? I love cereal.
One spot: Moron says "We're gonna have a crash like a 1929 crash." At the same time, the Fox chyron just below the Fruit Loops cereal shows the Dow is up 554 points today. Fox promptly removes the stock ticker and chyron.
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:03 am
Can we just not admit, once and for all, that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is an offensive fool?
You are being WAAAAY too kind here. Effing moron would be more descriptive. Imbecile would also work as you wouldn't need any adjectives.
Thermonuclear a-hole would almost be perfect.
Yet still not all that many years ago trump was the darling of the left wing NYC elite social butterflies. There were not many NYC Democrat politicians that I'm aware of that turned down trumps campaign checks. Then they had an epiphany as to who trump really was. That fact might have coincided with trump saying he was now a Republican and would run against HRC. Is there anyone out there in fanlax forum land that actually believes trump is a Republican?
He is neither. Just a uniformly mega-douchbag.
Nope, not a "Republican" and not a conservative.
Of course they took his checks. Then he hollowed out and controlled a "party" full of Congressman and women and Senators that allowed the monster to take over, and created a voting base that they cannot now afford to lose themselves. The Result: constant debasement of themselves. Constant excuses for the Moron's racism. Constant repackaging of the crazy sh*t he says and does.
Yup - and I will re-post the YouTube clip of Meryl Streep saying it out loud to great effect (and the clip is from the WSJ) - not only the racism
but the crass, abusive treatment of other people often just for the fun of it. Watch till the end.
I'd also disagree with the notion that Fatso was ever universally loved in NY over the years. Most people hated his guts but his money was green like everybody else's.
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:57 am
by cradleandshoot
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:51 am
And incidentally, did anyone catch the "press conference" yesterday with the cereal? I love cereal.
One spot: Moron says "We're gonna have a crash like a 1929 crash." At the same time, the Fox chyron just below the Fruit Loops cereal shows the Dow is up 554 points today. Fox promptly removes the stock ticker and chyron.
He's old, mentally ill, and worsening.
He is suffering from Joe Biden syndrome. The next stage is shuffling along like he has a load of poopie in his britches.
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:03 am
Can we just not admit, once and for all, that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is an offensive fool?
You are being WAAAAY too kind here. Effing moron would be more descriptive. Imbecile would also work as you wouldn't need any adjectives.
Thermonuclear a-hole would almost be perfect.
Yet still not all that many years ago trump was the darling of the left wing NYC elite social butterflies. There were not many NYC Democrat politicians that I'm aware of that turned down trumps campaign checks. Then they had an epiphany as to who trump really was. That fact might have coincided with trump saying he was now a Republican and would run against HRC. Is there anyone out there in fanlax forum land that actually believes trump is a Republican?
He is neither. Just a uniformly mega-douchbag.
Nope, not a "Republican" and not a conservative.
Of course they took his checks. Then he hollowed out and controlled a "party" full of Congressman and women and Senators that allowed the monster to take over, and created a voting base that they cannot now afford to lose themselves. The Result: constant debasement of themselves. Constant excuses for the Moron's racism. Constant repackaging of the crazy sh*t he says and does.
Yup - and I will re-post the YouTube clip of Meryl Streep saying it out loud to great effect (and the clip is from the WSJ) - not only the racism
but the crass, abusive treatment of other people often just for the fun of it. Watch till the end.
I'd also disagree with the notion that Fatso was ever universally loved in NY over the years. Most people hated his guts but his money was green like everybody else's.
He sure was buddy buddy with Bill and Hillary. He had no problem finding people to play the celebrity apprentice game now did he??
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:03 am
Can we just not admit, once and for all, that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is an offensive fool?
You are being WAAAAY too kind here. Effing moron would be more descriptive. Imbecile would also work as you wouldn't need any adjectives.
Thermonuclear a-hole would almost be perfect.
Yet still not all that many years ago trump was the darling of the left wing NYC elite social butterflies. There were not many NYC Democrat politicians that I'm aware of that turned down trumps campaign checks. Then they had an epiphany as to who trump really was. That fact might have coincided with trump saying he was now a Republican and would run against HRC. Is there anyone out there in fanlax forum land that actually believes trump is a Republican?
He is neither. Just a uniformly mega-douchbag.
Nope, not a "Republican" and not a conservative.
Of course they took his checks. Then he hollowed out and controlled a "party" full of Congressman and women and Senators that allowed the monster to take over, and created a voting base that they cannot now afford to lose themselves. The Result: constant debasement of themselves. Constant excuses for the Moron's racism. Constant repackaging of the crazy sh*t he says and does.
Yup - and I will re-post the YouTube clip of Meryl Streep saying it out loud to great effect (and the clip is from the WSJ) - not only the racism
but the crass, abusive treatment of other people often just for the fun of it. Watch till the end.
I'd also disagree with the notion that Fatso was ever universally loved in NY over the years. Most people hated his guts but his money was green like everybody else's.
He sure was buddy buddy with Bill and Hillary. He had no problem finding people to play the celebrity apprentice game now did he??
Being used is not the equivalent of being loved. It's long been known that neither Bill nor Hillary had good taste in regard to the folks they hung out with used to get ahead.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 8:13 am
I think most of us on here are fully capable of discerning what people mean to say and what they don't. We're capable of looking at context and other statements, prior, contemporaneous, and post. And if we truly are having difficulty, we are capable of asking appropriately and respectfully.
That said, not everyone is so capable, indeed a large portion of our fellow Americans don't make such efforts.
SO, some people wish to mislead and show that intention repeatedly and consistently.
LIKEWISE, some people wish to misrepresent others' intentions for their own personal ego or partisan benefit.
We're seeing those behaviors on here, but to be clear, the sarcastic and facetious statements by a few posters, most notably a fan's recent approach, has been solely to demonstrate how stupid and reprehensible the misrepresentations about Walz have been. No one is actually disrespecting Vance's or anyone else's (including Salty's) actual service. They are simply demonstrating how awful those tactics really are.
I don't believe I have disrespected the retired SMs 24 years of service in any way. That being said I'm entitled to my opinion that his timing to retire is potential point of contention to people. It has been so from some of the soldiers that served in his unit. At the end of the day the retired SM made his decision and I get that. Some of the peripheral issues that came up once he was chosen to be the VP candidate SHOULD have been caught and addressed during the vetting process. The simple act of questioning the timing of his retirement doesn't equate to disrespecting his service or smearing his record. Some of his own soldiers questioned the timing.
I'm not ripping you, cradle, and you are certainly correct that the issue was raised, including by some soldiers that served in his unit. However, it's quite clear what actually happened in his decision making and the timing of it, and it's also quite clear that soldiers from his unit, including some who don't actually agree with him politically, disagree with soldiers attacking his decision. They see those attacks as partisan and unreasonable and unseemly. And they see the Stolen Valor charges are entirely outrageous and dishonorable.
The attacks then and now are indeed smears, intentional smears. JD Vance's attacks are indeed smears...no question about his motivation, and that, on its face, should be rebuffed... and hard. They do dishonor to himself and those who echo him.
Salty's perpetuation of those smears is dishonorable in the same way.
And enormously hypocritical.
So, that's what is being challenged here.
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:29 am
by njbill
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:00 am
He had no problem finding people to play the celebrity apprentice game now did he??
Yeah, he sure got the A-Listers. Gary Busey, that Sharknado guy, Piers Morgan, Gene Simmons, Dennis Rodman, Sharon Osborne, TO, Snooki, and on and on.
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:49 am
Nice that you’re working overtime to disparage another serviceman. Such a surprise.
I'm surprised by what's coming to light & the MSM isn't ferreting it out.
I was working overtime to dig up factual evidence that defended Walz. I gave him every benefit of the doubt.
I admired his story & was looking to validate it. He didn't need to embellish it. He apparently served admirably.
Looks like I may have gotten out over my skis. His campaign press kit ? I can't believe Holder missed that or thought they could deny it.
obtw -- after you serve two years, your pension increases 2,5%/yr. It dovetails nicely with a career as a school teacher or member of Congress or state legislator.
Sorry, but you really are completely full of sh*t. And you know it, and everyone here knows you know it.
The benefit of the doubt would be simply to credit the fact that he served for 24 years, rather than getting on the subjective swift boat train that you have boarded. Will you be talking about Trump's service? About his relentless lying and gaslighting to work his way into becoming the Commander-in-Chief of folks like Walz? About his debasing treatment of women and people of color in the course of his lifetime? About his mockery of veterans? About his mockery of disabled people? About his blindingly obvious diminished and diminishing mental acuity? About his astonishingly demented "press conference" yesterday?
“And don’t forget they sell hats.”
Big difference between Kerry & Walz. Unlike Swift boats, no combat duty involved, no fabrications or exaggerations to earn combat awards. Walz served admirably.
Trump's non-service is irrelevant, unless you include everyone of his generation who was 4F or used a student deferment.
Vance has never implied that he saw combat. He did deploy to a war zone & was at risk as a result. He does not brag about his weapons training or that he carried a rifle when embedded & operating "outside the wire"...even though Every Marine is a rifleman.
Walz is a master communicator. That's why he's a VP candidate. As a HS social studies teacher, HS FB Coach, & a Master Sergeant (E-8) functioning as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9 assignment) he knows how to explain his service in a way that can't be misconstrued that he saw combat duty, deployed to Afghanistan, or was not aware of his unit's coming deployment to Iraq when he elected to retire.
I would not call it Stolen Valor.
Totsl BS. No equivalence at all,
To be clear Walz was retired before the order to his unit was received. Vance is a POS. His Hillbilly elegy is pretty much a fraud. He is a chameleon for sale.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 8:13 am
I think most of us on here are fully capable of discerning what people mean to say and what they don't. We're capable of looking at context and other statements, prior, contemporaneous, and post. And if we truly are having difficulty, we are capable of asking appropriately and respectfully.
That said, not everyone is so capable, indeed a large portion of our fellow Americans don't make such efforts.
SO, some people wish to mislead and show that intention repeatedly and consistently.
LIKEWISE, some people wish to misrepresent others' intentions for their own personal ego or partisan benefit.
We're seeing those behaviors on here, but to be clear, the sarcastic and facetious statements by a few posters, most notably a fan's recent approach, has been solely to demonstrate how stupid and reprehensible the misrepresentations about Walz have been. No one is actually disrespecting Vance's or anyone else's (including Salty's) actual service. They are simply demonstrating how awful those tactics really are.
I don't believe I have disrespected the retired SMs 24 years of service in any way. That being said I'm entitled to my opinion that his timing to retire is potential point of contention to people. It has been so from some of the soldiers that served in his unit. At the end of the day the retired SM made his decision and I get that. Some of the peripheral issues that came up once he was chosen to be the VP candidate SHOULD have been caught and addressed during the vetting process. The simple act of questioning the timing of his retirement doesn't equate to disrespecting his service or smearing his record. Some of his own soldiers questioned the timing.
I'm not ripping you, cradle, and you are certainly correct that the issue was raised, including by some soldiers that served in his unit. However, it's quite clear what actually happened in his decision making and the timing of it, and it's also quite clear that soldiers from his unit, including some who don't actually agree with him politically, disagree with soldiers attacking his decision. They see those attacks as partisan and unreasonable and unseemly. And they see the Stolen Valor charges are entirely outrageous and dishonorable.
The attacks then and now are indeed smears, intentional smears. JD Vance's attacks are indeed smears...no question about his motivation, and that, on its face, should be rebuffed... and hard. They do dishonor to himself and those who echo him.
Salty's perpetuation of those smears is dishonorable in the same way.
And enormously hypocritical.
So, that's what is being challenged here.
To no ones surprise the issue was turned into a political football to be kicked back and forth. The fact that has happened should come as no surprise to anyone. I'll say it again the people charged with vetting the retired SM could have nipped the majority of the criticism in the bud. The criticism of the timing of his retirement was always going to raw meat for the Republicans to gnaw on. At the end of the day that was what the retired SM chose to do. He served his country with valor and earned the right to go out on his own terms.
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:49 am
Nice that you’re working overtime to disparage another serviceman. Such a surprise.
I'm surprised by what's coming to light & the MSM isn't ferreting it out.
I was working overtime to dig up factual evidence that defended Walz. I gave him every benefit of the doubt.
I admired his story & was looking to validate it. He didn't need to embellish it. He apparently served admirably.
Looks like I may have gotten out over my skis. His campaign press kit ? I can't believe Holder missed that or thought they could deny it.
obtw -- after you serve two years, your pension increases 2,5%/yr. It dovetails nicely with a career as a school teacher or member of Congress or state legislator.
Sorry, but you really are completely full of sh*t. And you know it, and everyone here knows you know it.
The benefit of the doubt would be simply to credit the fact that he served for 24 years, rather than getting on the subjective swift boat train that you have boarded. Will you be talking about Trump's service? About his relentless lying and gaslighting to work his way into becoming the Commander-in-Chief of folks like Walz? About his debasing treatment of women and people of color in the course of his lifetime? About his mockery of veterans? About his mockery of disabled people? About his blindingly obvious diminished and diminishing mental acuity? About his astonishingly demented "press conference" yesterday?
“And don’t forget they sell hats.”
Big difference between Kerry & Walz. Unlike Swift boats, no combat duty involved, no fabrications or exaggerations to earn combat awards. Walz served admirably.
Trump's non-service is irrelevant, unless you include everyone of his generation who was 4F or used a student deferment.
Vance has never implied that he saw combat. He did deploy to a war zone & was at risk as a result. He does not brag about his weapons training or that he carried a rifle when embedded & operating "outside the wire"...even though Every Marine is a rifleman.
Walz is a master communicator. That's why he's a VP candidate. As a HS social studies teacher, HS FB Coach, & a Master Sergeant (E-8) functioning as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9 assignment) he knows how to explain his service in a way that can't be misconstrued that he saw combat duty, deployed to Afghanistan, or was not aware of his unit's coming deployment to Iraq when he elected to retire.
I would not call it Stolen Valor.
Totsl BS. No equivalence at all,
To be clear Walz was retired before the order to his unit was received. Vance is a POS. His Hillbilly elegy is pretty much a fraud. He is a chameleon for sale.
There are people in the chain of command in his unit that were aware in November that the unit was scheduled to be deployed. That will be looked at by both sides quite differently. The retired SM was in no way obligated to deploy and I respect his decision to retire when he did. There is also a part of me that wishes he had chosen to do so. He was never obligated to deploy and I can honestly understand why. He had decided it was time to end his military career and move on to something else.
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:00 am
He had no problem finding people to play the celebrity apprentice game now did he??
Yeah, he sure got the A-Listers. Gary Busey, that Sharknado guy, Piers Morgan, Gene Simmons, Dennis Rodman, Sharon Osborne, TO, Snooki, and on and on.
All Academy award winners, no doubt.
It never claimed to be popular celebrities. I'm sure most of them hated trump. The exception would be Gary Busey who may not have been aware he was even on the show.
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2024 6:49 am
Nice that you’re working overtime to disparage another serviceman. Such a surprise.
I'm surprised by what's coming to light & the MSM isn't ferreting it out.
I was working overtime to dig up factual evidence that defended Walz. I gave him every benefit of the doubt.
I admired his story & was looking to validate it. He didn't need to embellish it. He apparently served admirably.
Looks like I may have gotten out over my skis. His campaign press kit ? I can't believe Holder missed that or thought they could deny it.
obtw -- after you serve two years, your pension increases 2,5%/yr. It dovetails nicely with a career as a school teacher or member of Congress or state legislator.
Sorry, but you really are completely full of sh*t. And you know it, and everyone here knows you know it.
The benefit of the doubt would be simply to credit the fact that he served for 24 years, rather than getting on the subjective swift boat train that you have boarded. Will you be talking about Trump's service? About his relentless lying and gaslighting to work his way into becoming the Commander-in-Chief of folks like Walz? About his debasing treatment of women and people of color in the course of his lifetime? About his mockery of veterans? About his mockery of disabled people? About his blindingly obvious diminished and diminishing mental acuity? About his astonishingly demented "press conference" yesterday?
“And don’t forget they sell hats.”
Big difference between Kerry & Walz. Unlike Swift boats, no combat duty involved, no fabrications or exaggerations to earn combat awards. Walz served admirably.
Trump's non-service is irrelevant, unless you include everyone of his generation who was 4F or used a student deferment.
Vance has never implied that he saw combat. He did deploy to a war zone & was at risk as a result. He does not brag about his weapons training or that he carried a rifle when embedded & operating "outside the wire"...even though Every Marine is a rifleman.
Walz is a master communicator. That's why he's a VP candidate. As a HS social studies teacher, HS FB Coach, & a Master Sergeant (E-8) functioning as a Command Sergeant Major (E-9 assignment) he knows how to explain his service in a way that can't be misconstrued that he saw combat duty, deployed to Afghanistan, or was not aware of his unit's coming deployment to Iraq when he elected to retire.
I would not call it Stolen Valor.
Totsl BS. No equivalence at all,
To be clear Walz was retired before the order to his unit was received. Vance is a POS. His Hillbilly elegy is pretty much a fraud. He is a chameleon for sale.
There are people in the chain of command in his unit that were aware in November that the unit was scheduled to be deployed. That will be looked at by both sides quite differently. The retired SM was in no way obligated to deploy and I respect his decision to retire when he did. There is also a part of me that wishes he had chosen to do so. He was never obligated to deploy and I can honestly understand why. He had decided it was time to end his military career and move on to something else.
Almost correct.
Given the war was dragging on and on, of course there were rumors that another deployment could be happening at some future point, but no one knew when and no one knew where. Walz had already deployed once because of the war, just didn't happen to be in the combat zone. Left his family and school behind to serve when called. After 24 years, well beyond retirement age for pension, having stayed in post 9-11, Walz felt a desire to serve his country in a different way, as encouraged by his students. He made that decision way before any sort of sharpening of expected timing of a future deployment, much less location, was available. And he wrestled for a bit with the question as to whether he could fairly campaign for Congress if he was going to get called to deploy, regardless of where. He realized he needed to do formal retirement because of that choice.
One thing that seems a bit lost is that Walz opposed the war in Iraq, thought it was mistake. Part of his decision to go to Congress was to be able to speak against continuing in that war. He says he felt he could do more for the country in that role than continuing in the Guard. Whether one agrees with that view or not, it's an entirely honorable position.
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:12 am
by njbill
A friend of mine told me that TO came by my gym a couple of weeks ago. Even got a picture with him. Apparently TO was looking for a woman. Unfortunately for TO, the woman had a restraining order out against him so the cops were called. Unlucky for me, I missed all the excitement and got to see none of it.
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:15 am
by Seacoaster(1)
njbill wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:12 am
A friend of mine told me that TO came by my gym a couple of weeks ago. Even got a picture with him. Apparently TO was looking for a woman. Unfortunately for TO, the woman had a restraining order out against him so the cops were called. Unlucky for me, I missed all the excitement and got to see none of it.
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:00 am
He had no problem finding people to play the celebrity apprentice game now did he??
Yeah, he sure got the A-Listers. Gary Busey, that Sharknado guy, Piers Morgan, Gene Simmons, Dennis Rodman, Sharon Osborne, TO, Snooki, and on and on.
All Academy award winners, no doubt.
It never claimed to be popular celebrities. I'm sure most of them hated trump. The exception would be Gary Busey who may not have been aware he was even on the show.
I'm sure most of them hated trump. The exception would be Gary Busey who may not have been aware he was even on the show.