2024

[cradleandshoot]

Don't think there's any question about whether or not I'm a Vance supporter but what he says here about himself is not misleading, which is not to say that I don't think he knows full well the vast majority will interpret that as meaning (my
favorite new one) he ran toward the guns and assume he was in a lot more danger than he actually was. That's on the listener.
What he goes on to say about Walz is just wrong factually and morally. But hey, character is no longer an issue.

I think Vance was way off base charactererizing the retired SMs decision to leave as " stolen valor " IMO I think the retired SM made a decision that nobody would have cared less about had he not been picked for VP. The Harris team should have caught some of these glitches during the vetting process. They could have then addressed them before they had a chance to blow up. There is a chance they were so enamored with the retired SM they overlooked some potential red flags.

[Kismet]

speaking about those who served yesterday - here's Orange Fatso yesterday comparing those who received the MoH vs Medal of Freedom who he gave to his mega-donor Miriam Adelson.

'When we gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom… It’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor— it’s actually much better because everyone who gets the Congressional Medal, they’re soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead. She gets it and she’s a healthy beautiful woman"

Moron.

You're up Cradle - let's hear your opinion as well as Saltine's

[Typical Lax Dad]

I don't know if that implication definition is completely accurate.
I served in Iraq doesn't imply that you fought, that's a misinterpretation
of what was said, an incorrect assumption on the part of the listener. I'm one
who will ask in what capacity, it's pretty easy (most of the time) to take
it from there and figure how much combat was seen by that person.

You tell the average person you served in Iraq, the average person will assume you saw combat. Some people know that’s what the assumption will be. You tell the average person you spent time at Rikers, the average person will assume you served time. Not everyone, but generally. Nothing is absolute.

Agree, and said pretty much the same thing in the post above yours, but because the average person assumes you saw combat (because the average person doesn't know jack schidt about how the military works) doesn't mean the speaker implied such. The listener envisions something that is not, and that's on him/her (born of ignorance...and yes, you can bet Vance knows this). Will say again, Vance has not been misleading about his military service (to the best of my knowledge at this point anyway) but he certainly has been in spades about Walz's.
I've watched this for many, many years with Vietnam Veteran hat wearers. I know that they (most of them) think that most people are going to think that they're real bad aszez who experienced the likes of Hamburger Hill combat and were lucky to survive because of that hat. A lot of them like to play on people's ignorance...they aint gonna bullschidt me though and they know it a couple of minutes into a conversation (and yes, I will engage with damn near every one of them I see). A couple of years back an old timer pulled up to the grocery store with his MARINES bumper sticker on his car. When he got out I said, uh oh, hide the women and children, the Marines are in town! Turns out he was sniper who did two tours in Vietnam and said he loved it. He was unquestionably the real deal, had a real nice chat with the guy. Sometimes you do run into the guys who actually did do what the ignorant assume all do.

Doesn’t mean they always imply it and it doesn’t mean they never imply it. These people know the average person doesn’t know jack. In fact, they are banking on it.

Nobody has said Vance “lied” about his service. He knows what I served in Iraq means to most people just as he knows saying he “is Appalachian” will mean. He has some Appalachian roots but he ain’t from Appalachia.

[MDlaxfan76]

I think most of us on here are fully capable of discerning what people mean to say and what they don't. We're capable of looking at context and other statements, prior, contemporaneous, and post. And if we truly are having difficulty, we are capable of asking appropriately and respectfully.

That said, not everyone is so capable, indeed a large portion of our fellow Americans don't make such efforts.

SO, some people wish to mislead and show that intention repeatedly and consistently.

LIKEWISE, some people wish to misrepresent others' intentions for their own personal ego or partisan benefit.

We're seeing those behaviors on here, but to be clear, the sarcastic and facetious statements by a few posters, most notably a fan's recent approach, has been solely to demonstrate how stupid and reprehensible the misrepresentations about Walz have been. No one is actually disrespecting Vance's or anyone else's (including Salty's) actual service. They are simply demonstrating how awful those tactics really are.

[Typical Lax Dad]

speaking about those who served yesterday - here's Orange Fatso yesterday comparing those who received the MoH vs Medal of Freedom and mega-donor Miriam Adelson.

'When we gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom… It’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor— it’s actually much better because everyone who gets the Congressional Medal, they’re soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead. She gets it and she’s a healthy beautiful woman"

Moron.

You're up Cradle - let's hear your opinion as well as Saltine's

Don’t expect a critical comment.

[MDlaxfan76]

Don't think there's any question about whether or not I'm a Vance supporter but what he says here about himself is not misleading, which is not to say that I don't think he knows full well the vast majority will interpret that as meaning (my
favorite new one) he ran toward the guns and assume he was in a lot more danger than he actually was. That's on the listener.
What he goes on to say about Walz is just wrong factually and morally. But hey, character is no longer an issue.

I think Vance was way off base charactererizing the retired SMs decision to leave as " stolen valor " IMO I think the retired SM made a decision that nobody would have cared less about had he not been picked for VP. The Harris team should have caught some of these glitches during the vetting process. They could have then addressed them before they had a chance to blow up. There is a chance they were so enamored with the retired SM they overlooked some potential red flags.

There's some small chance that you are right that they "overlooked" but I think there's an equal small chance that this was a rope a dope strategy inviting the a-holes to show themselves, knowing full well that the real comparison is to the draft dodger and liar.

But way higher probability is that they knew these attacks were overcome multiple times in Walz's prior campaigns and they calculated, correctly, that they would be overcome in this one. And I suspect it's already working quite well despite Vance's and MAGA's deplorable efforts. I doubt very much that anyone outside of hardcore MAGA buys this attack, indeed I suspect that the rational folks in the middle who just don't pay a ton of attention until the last months of the campaign will reject these attacks.

[cradleandshoot]

I think most of us on here are fully capable of discerning what people mean to say and what they don't. We're capable of looking at context and other statements, prior, contemporaneous, and post. And if we truly are having difficulty, we are capable of asking appropriately and respectfully.

That said, not everyone is so capable, indeed a large portion of our fellow Americans don't make such efforts.

SO, some people wish to mislead and show that intention repeatedly and consistently.

LIKEWISE, some people wish to misrepresent others' intentions for their own personal ego or partisan benefit.

We're seeing those behaviors on here, but to be clear, the sarcastic and facetious statements by a few posters, most notably a fan's recent approach, has been solely to demonstrate how stupid and reprehensible the misrepresentations about Walz have been. No one is actually disrespecting Vance's or anyone else's (including Salty's) actual service. They are simply demonstrating how awful those tactics really are.

I don't believe I have disrespected the retired SMs 24 years of service in any way. That being said I'm entitled to my opinion that his timing to retire is potential point of contention to people. It has been so from some of the soldiers that served in his unit. At the end of the day the retired SM made his decision and I get that. Some of the peripheral issues that came up once he was chosen to be the VP candidate SHOULD have been caught and addressed during the vetting process. The simple act of questioning the timing of his retirement doesn't equate to disrespecting his service or smearing his record. Some of his own soldiers questioned the timing.

[cradleandshoot]

speaking about those who served yesterday - here's Orange Fatso yesterday comparing those who received the MoH vs Medal of Freedom who he gave to his mega-donor Miriam Adelson.

'When we gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom… It’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor— it’s actually much better because everyone who gets the Congressional Medal, they’re soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead. She gets it and she’s a healthy beautiful woman"

Moron.

You're up Cradle - let's hear your opinion as well as Saltine's

How are trumps comments suppose to dovetail into the current discussion? You asked for my opinion so here goes. The only thing the 2 medals have in common is respectively they are the highest awards a civilian and a member of the US Military can be awarded by the United States. If trump is making that analogy that is more proof that he really is the moron you say he is. When one looks at how many MoH are awarded posthumously the difference stands out like a sore thumb.

Usually when the citation for the MoH is read there is terminology like... at total disregard for his/her personal safety and at great risk... What more needs to said??

[youthathletics]

I think most of us on here are fully capable of discerning what people mean to say and what they don't. We're capable of looking at context and other statements, prior, contemporaneous, and post. And if we truly are having difficulty, we are capable of asking appropriately and respectfully.

That said, not everyone is so capable, indeed a large portion of our fellow Americans don't make such efforts.

SO, some people wish to mislead and show that intention repeatedly and consistently.

LIKEWISE, some people wish to misrepresent others' intentions for their own personal ego or partisan benefit.

We're seeing those behaviors on here, but to be clear, the sarcastic and facetious statements by a few posters, most notably a fan's recent approach, has been solely to demonstrate how stupid and reprehensible the misrepresentations about Walz have been. No one is actually disrespecting Vance's or anyone else's (including Salty's) actual service. They are simply demonstrating how awful those tactics really are.

I don't believe I have disrespected the retired SMs 24 years of service in any way. That being said I'm entitled to my opinion that his timing to retire is potential point of contention to people. It has been so from some of the soldiers that served in his unit. At the end of the day the retired SM made his decision and I get that. Some of the peripheral issues that came up once he was chosen to be the VP candidate SHOULD have been caught and addressed during the vetting process. The simple act of questioning the timing of his retirement doesn't equate to disrespecting his service or smearing his record. Some of his own soldiers questioned the timing.

So….in the same vein, should there be a discussion that Trump receives a Purple Heart?

[DMac]

I don't know if that implication definition is completely accurate.
I served in Iraq doesn't imply that you fought, that's a misinterpretation
of what was said, an incorrect assumption on the part of the listener. I'm one
who will ask in what capacity, it's pretty easy (most of the time) to take
it from there and figure how much combat was seen by that person.

You tell the average person you served in Iraq, the average person will assume you saw combat. Some people know that’s what the assumption will be. You tell the average person you spent time at Rikers, the average person will assume you served time. Not everyone, but generally. Nothing is absolute.

Agree, and said pretty much the same thing in the post above yours, but because the average person assumes you saw combat (because the average person doesn't know jack schidt about how the military works) doesn't mean the speaker implied such. The listener envisions something that is not, and that's on him/her (born of ignorance...and yes, you can bet Vance knows this). Will say again, Vance has not been misleading about his military service (to the best of my knowledge at this point anyway) but he certainly has been in spades about Walz's.
I've watched this for many, many years with Vietnam Veteran hat wearers. I know that they (most of them) think that most people are going to think that they're real bad aszez who experienced the likes of Hamburger Hill combat and were lucky to survive because of that hat. A lot of them like to play on people's ignorance...they aint gonna bullschidt me though and they know it a couple of minutes into a conversation (and yes, I will engage with damn near every one of them I see). A couple of years back an old timer pulled up to the grocery store with his MARINES bumper sticker on his car. When he got out I said, uh oh, hide the women and children, the Marines are in town! Turns out he was sniper who did two tours in Vietnam and said he loved it. He was unquestionably the real deal, had a real nice chat with the guy. Sometimes you do run into the guys who actually did do what the ignorant assume all do.

Doesn’t mean they always imply it and it doesn’t mean they never imply it. These people know the average person doesn’t know jack. In fact, they are banking on it.

Nobody has said Vance “lied” about his service. He knows what I served in Iraq means to most people just as he knows saying he “is Appalachian” will mean. He has some Appalachian roots but he ain’t from Appalachia.

I think we're in agreement but this is what you said which began this discussion:

When you say “I served in Iraq”, the implication is that you fought, unless you qualify it.

Saying you served in Iraq is not an implication that you fought and that is what I took exception to (it's not an implication to me).
Someone says I was in the Army. Is that an implication "that you fought". Does he need to qualify that by saying but he was stationed in Hawaii for three years and never fought. No. If you (anyone) thinks that it's just an example of ignorance (because all of the people in the military are trained fighters like those who stormed the Capitol Bldg, ya know).

[Seacoaster(1)]

speaking about those who served yesterday - here's Orange Fatso yesterday comparing those who received the MoH vs Medal of Freedom who he gave to his mega-donor Miriam Adelson.

'When we gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom… It’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor— it’s actually much better because everyone who gets the Congressional Medal, they’re soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead. She gets it and she’s a healthy beautiful woman"

Moron.

You're up Cradle - let's hear your opinion as well as Saltine's

How are trumps comments suppose to dovetail into the current discussion? You asked for my opinion so here goes. The only thing the 2 medals have in common is respectively they are the highest awards a civilian and a member of the US Military can be awarded by the United States. If trump is making that analogy that is more proof that he really is the moron you say he is. When one looks at how many MoH are awarded posthumously the difference stands out like a sore thumb.

Usually when the citation for the MoH is read there is terminology like... at total disregard for his/her personal safety and at great risk... What more needs to said??

There is recent background to the Moron's statement about Mrs. Adelson and the MoF award given to her. Trump had a little spat with this very important donor:

https://www.salon.com/2024/08/12/blasts ... -messages/

"Former President Donald Trump ordered one of his aides to send aggressive text messages to one of his campaign’s largest donors, accusing her of employing Republicans who do not support him, The New York Times reported.

The texts were sent by Trump aide Natalie Harpe to Miriam Adelson, the widow of casino mogul Sheldon Adelson. They complained that Adelson’s super PAC, Preserve America, was being run by “RINOs” ("Republicans In Name Only") and that her late husband would not have allowed such people to be involved in the campaign.

The messages came just a week after Trump and Adelson had a “friendly meeting” at the Republican National Convention in July, according to the Times.

As tensions have run high in the Trump campaign since Harris replaced President Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee, some of Trump’s aides fear his anger has left him vulnerable to manipulation, The Time reported.

The texts to Miriam Adelson were reportedly prompted by another major Trump donor, Ike Perlmutter, in the hopes that Adelson would instead contribute to a rival super PAC that he supports."

So Orange Dum-Dum was placating Adelson in this little aside yesterday, and did so by equating (or better!!) her MoF with the Congressional Medal of Honor. I can see the Freedom side of this; after all, she has run a nice casino since her husband died and gives a lot of do-re-mi to Trump -- freedom!!

Can we just not admit, once and for all, that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is an offensive fool?

[cradleandshoot]

I think most of us on here are fully capable of discerning what people mean to say and what they don't. We're capable of looking at context and other statements, prior, contemporaneous, and post. And if we truly are having difficulty, we are capable of asking appropriately and respectfully.

That said, not everyone is so capable, indeed a large portion of our fellow Americans don't make such efforts.

SO, some people wish to mislead and show that intention repeatedly and consistently.

LIKEWISE, some people wish to misrepresent others' intentions for their own personal ego or partisan benefit.

We're seeing those behaviors on here, but to be clear, the sarcastic and facetious statements by a few posters, most notably a fan's recent approach, has been solely to demonstrate how stupid and reprehensible the misrepresentations about Walz have been. No one is actually disrespecting Vance's or anyone else's (including Salty's) actual service. They are simply demonstrating how awful those tactics really are.

I don't believe I have disrespected the retired SMs 24 years of service in any way. That being said I'm entitled to my opinion that his timing to retire is potential point of contention to people. It has been so from some of the soldiers that served in his unit. At the end of the day the retired SM made his decision and I get that. Some of the peripheral issues that came up once he was chosen to be the VP candidate SHOULD have been caught and addressed during the vetting process. The simple act of questioning the timing of his retirement doesn't equate to disrespecting his service or smearing his record. Some of his own soldiers questioned the timing.

So….in the same vein, should there be a discussion that Trump receives a Purple Heart?

I hadn't thought about that. I'm surprised Trump hasn't thought about it either.

[Kismet]

Can we just not admit, once and for all, that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is an offensive fool?

You are being WAAAAY too kind here. Effing moron would be more descriptive. Imbecile would also work as you wouldn't need any adjectives.

Thermonuclear a-hole would almost be perfect.

[cradleandshoot]

speaking about those who served yesterday - here's Orange Fatso yesterday comparing those who received the MoH vs Medal of Freedom who he gave to his mega-donor Miriam Adelson.

'When we gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom… It’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor— it’s actually much better because everyone who gets the Congressional Medal, they’re soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead. She gets it and she’s a healthy beautiful woman"

Moron.

You're up Cradle - let's hear your opinion as well as Saltine's

How are trumps comments suppose to dovetail into the current discussion? You asked for my opinion so here goes. The only thing the 2 medals have in common is respectively they are the highest awards a civilian and a member of the US Military can be awarded by the United States. If trump is making that analogy that is more proof that he really is the moron you say he is. When one looks at how many MoH are awarded posthumously the difference stands out like a sore thumb.

Usually when the citation for the MoH is read there is terminology like... at total disregard for his/her personal safety and at great risk... What more needs to said??

There is recent background to the Moron's statement about Mrs. Adelson and the MoF award given to her. Trump had a little spat with this very important donor:

https://www.salon.com/2024/08/12/blasts ... -messages/

"Former President Donald Trump ordered one of his aides to send aggressive text messages to one of his campaign’s largest donors, accusing her of employing Republicans who do not support him, The New York Times reported.

The texts were sent by Trump aide Natalie Harpe to Miriam Adelson, the widow of casino mogul Sheldon Adelson. They complained that Adelson’s super PAC, Preserve America, was being run by “RINOs” ("Republicans In Name Only") and that her late husband would not have allowed such people to be involved in the campaign.

The messages came just a week after Trump and Adelson had a “friendly meeting” at the Republican National Convention in July, according to the Times.

As tensions have run high in the Trump campaign since Harris replaced President Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee, some of Trump’s aides fear his anger has left him vulnerable to manipulation, The Time reported.

The texts to Miriam Adelson were reportedly prompted by another major Trump donor, Ike Perlmutter, in the hopes that Adelson would instead contribute to a rival super PAC that he supports."

So Orange Dum-Dum was placating Adelson in this little aside yesterday, and did so by equating (or better!!) her MoF with the Congressional Medal of Honor. I can see the Freedom side of this; after all, she has run a nice casino since her husband died and gives a lot of do-re-mi to Trump -- freedom!!

Can we just not admit, once and for all, that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is an offensive fool?

Why do we need to just finally admit it? That debate was settled business a long time ago. That might have a lot to do with why myself and many other independent voters would never vote for him?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I don't know if that implication definition is completely accurate.
I served in Iraq doesn't imply that you fought, that's a misinterpretation
of what was said, an incorrect assumption on the part of the listener. I'm one
who will ask in what capacity, it's pretty easy (most of the time) to take
it from there and figure how much combat was seen by that person.

You tell the average person you served in Iraq, the average person will assume you saw combat. Some people know that’s what the assumption will be. You tell the average person you spent time at Rikers, the average person will assume you served time. Not everyone, but generally. Nothing is absolute.

Agree, and said pretty much the same thing in the post above yours, but because the average person assumes you saw combat (because the average person doesn't know jack schidt about how the military works) doesn't mean the speaker implied such. The listener envisions something that is not, and that's on him/her (born of ignorance...and yes, you can bet Vance knows this). Will say again, Vance has not been misleading about his military service (to the best of my knowledge at this point anyway) but he certainly has been in spades about Walz's.
I've watched this for many, many years with Vietnam Veteran hat wearers. I know that they (most of them) think that most people are going to think that they're real bad aszez who experienced the likes of Hamburger Hill combat and were lucky to survive because of that hat. A lot of them like to play on people's ignorance...they aint gonna bullschidt me though and they know it a couple of minutes into a conversation (and yes, I will engage with damn near every one of them I see). A couple of years back an old timer pulled up to the grocery store with his MARINES bumper sticker on his car. When he got out I said, uh oh, hide the women and children, the Marines are in town! Turns out he was sniper who did two tours in Vietnam and said he loved it. He was unquestionably the real deal, had a real nice chat with the guy. Sometimes you do run into the guys who actually did do what the ignorant assume all do.

Doesn’t mean they always imply it and it doesn’t mean they never imply it. These people know the average person doesn’t know jack. In fact, they are banking on it.

Nobody has said Vance “lied” about his service. He knows what I served in Iraq means to most people just as he knows saying he “is Appalachian” will mean. He has some Appalachian roots but he ain’t from Appalachia.

I think we're in agreement but this is what you said which began this discussion:

When you say “I served in Iraq”, the implication is that you fought, unless you qualify it.

Saying you served in Iraq is not an implication that you fought and that is what I took exception to (it's not an implication to me).
Someone says I was in the Army. Is that an implication "that you fought". Does he need to qualify that by saying but he was stationed in Hawaii for three years and never fought. No. If you (anyone) thinks that it's just an example of ignorance (because all of the people in the military are trained fighters like those who stormed the Capitol Bldg, ya know).

I should have said this: when a former soldier says “I served in Iraq”…the average person is likely to assume they fought in Iraq. Some people purposely mislead and some people don’t. Saying I was in the Army doesn’t conjure the same image as I served in Iraq to the average American.

Implication: the conclusion that can be drawn from something although it is not explicitly stated.

[cradleandshoot]

Can we just not admit, once and for all, that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is an offensive fool?

You are being WAAAAY too kind here. Effing moron would be more descriptive. Imbecile would also work as you wouldn't need any adjectives.

Thermonuclear a-hole would almost be perfect.

Yet still not all that many years ago trump was the darling of the left wing NYC elite social butterflies. There were not many NYC Democrat politicians that I'm aware of that turned down trumps campaign checks. Then they had an epiphany as to who trump really was. That fact might have coincided with trump saying he was now a Republican and would run against HRC. Is there anyone out there in fanlax forum land that actually believes trump is a Republican?

[Kismet]

Can we just not admit, once and for all, that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is an offensive fool?

You are being WAAAAY too kind here. Effing moron would be more descriptive. Imbecile would also work as you wouldn't need any adjectives.

Thermonuclear a-hole would almost be perfect.

Yet still not all that many years ago trump was the darling of the left wing NYC elite social butterflies. There were not many NYC Democrat politicians that I'm aware of that turned down trumps campaign checks. Then they had an epiphany as to who trump really was. That fact might have coincided with trump saying he was now a Republican and would run against HRC. Is there anyone out there in fanlax forum land that actually believes trump is a Republican?

He is neither. Just a uniformly mega-douchbag.

[DMac]

I don't know if that implication definition is completely accurate.
I served in Iraq doesn't imply that you fought, that's a misinterpretation
of what was said, an incorrect assumption on the part of the listener. I'm one
who will ask in what capacity, it's pretty easy (most of the time) to take
it from there and figure how much combat was seen by that person.

You tell the average person you served in Iraq, the average person will assume you saw combat. Some people know that’s what the assumption will be. You tell the average person you spent time at Rikers, the average person will assume you served time. Not everyone, but generally. Nothing is absolute.

Agree, and said pretty much the same thing in the post above yours, but because the average person assumes you saw combat (because the average person doesn't know jack schidt about how the military works) doesn't mean the speaker implied such. The listener envisions something that is not, and that's on him/her (born of ignorance...and yes, you can bet Vance knows this). Will say again, Vance has not been misleading about his military service (to the best of my knowledge at this point anyway) but he certainly has been in spades about Walz's.
I've watched this for many, many years with Vietnam Veteran hat wearers. I know that they (most of them) think that most people are going to think that they're real bad aszez who experienced the likes of Hamburger Hill combat and were lucky to survive because of that hat. A lot of them like to play on people's ignorance...they aint gonna bullschidt me though and they know it a couple of minutes into a conversation (and yes, I will engage with damn near every one of them I see). A couple of years back an old timer pulled up to the grocery store with his MARINES bumper sticker on his car. When he got out I said, uh oh, hide the women and children, the Marines are in town! Turns out he was sniper who did two tours in Vietnam and said he loved it. He was unquestionably the real deal, had a real nice chat with the guy. Sometimes you do run into the guys who actually did do what the ignorant assume all do.

Doesn’t mean they always imply it and it doesn’t mean they never imply it. These people know the average person doesn’t know jack. In fact, they are banking on it.

Nobody has said Vance “lied” about his service. He knows what I served in Iraq means to most people just as he knows saying he “is Appalachian” will mean. He has some Appalachian roots but he ain’t from Appalachia.

I think we're in agreement but this is what you said which began this discussion:

When you say “I served in Iraq”, the implication is that you fought, unless you qualify it.

Saying you served in Iraq is not an implication that you fought and that is what I took exception to (it's not an implication to me).
Someone says I was in the Army. Is that an implication "that you fought". Does he need to qualify that by saying but he was stationed in Hawaii for three years and never fought. No. If you (anyone) thinks that it's just an example of ignorance (because all of the people in the military are trained fighters like those who stormed the Capitol Bldg, ya know).

I should have said this: when a former soldier says “I served in Iraq”…the average person is likely to assume they fought in Iraq. Some people purposely mislead and some people don’t. Saying I was in the Army doesn’t conjure the same image as I served in Iraq to the average American.

Implication: the conclusion that can be drawn from something although it is not explicitly stated.

Had you said that I would have been if full agreement.

Implication: the conclusion that can be drawn, *however inaccurate, from something although it is not explicitly stated.

* My add...jus' sayin'.

[cradleandshoot]

I don't know if that implication definition is completely accurate.
I served in Iraq doesn't imply that you fought, that's a misinterpretation
of what was said, an incorrect assumption on the part of the listener. I'm one
who will ask in what capacity, it's pretty easy (most of the time) to take
it from there and figure how much combat was seen by that person.

You tell the average person you served in Iraq, the average person will assume you saw combat. Some people know that’s what the assumption will be. You tell the average person you spent time at Rikers, the average person will assume you served time. Not everyone, but generally. Nothing is absolute.

Agree, and said pretty much the same thing in the post above yours, but because the average person assumes you saw combat (because the average person doesn't know jack schidt about how the military works) doesn't mean the speaker implied such. The listener envisions something that is not, and that's on him/her (born of ignorance...and yes, you can bet Vance knows this). Will say again, Vance has not been misleading about his military service (to the best of my knowledge at this point anyway) but he certainly has been in spades about Walz's.
I've watched this for many, many years with Vietnam Veteran hat wearers. I know that they (most of them) think that most people are going to think that they're real bad aszez who experienced the likes of Hamburger Hill combat and were lucky to survive because of that hat. A lot of them like to play on people's ignorance...they aint gonna bullschidt me though and they know it a couple of minutes into a conversation (and yes, I will engage with damn near every one of them I see). A couple of years back an old timer pulled up to the grocery store with his MARINES bumper sticker on his car. When he got out I said, uh oh, hide the women and children, the Marines are in town! Turns out he was sniper who did two tours in Vietnam and said he loved it. He was unquestionably the real deal, had a real nice chat with the guy. Sometimes you do run into the guys who actually did do what the ignorant assume all do.

Doesn’t mean they always imply it and it doesn’t mean they never imply it. These people know the average person doesn’t know jack. In fact, they are banking on it.

Nobody has said Vance “lied” about his service. He knows what I served in Iraq means to most people just as he knows saying he “is Appalachian” will mean. He has some Appalachian roots but he ain’t from Appalachia.

I think we're in agreement but this is what you said which began this discussion:

When you say “I served in Iraq”, the implication is that you fought, unless you qualify it.

Saying you served in Iraq is not an implication that you fought and that is what I took exception to (it's not an implication to me).
Someone says I was in the Army. Is that an implication "that you fought". Does he need to qualify that by saying but he was stationed in Hawaii for three years and never fought. No. If you (anyone) thinks that it's just an example of ignorance (because all of the people in the military are trained fighters like those who stormed the Capitol Bldg, ya know).

I should have said this: when a former soldier says “I served in Iraq”…the average person is likely to assume they fought in Iraq. Some people purposely mislead and some people don’t. Saying I was in the Army doesn’t conjure the same image as I served in Iraq to the average American.

Implication: the conclusion that can be drawn from something although it is not explicitly stated.

There is a distinction about the War in Iraq that should not be overlooked. There were no front lines in Iraq. If you served in Iraq no matter where you were stationed or what your job was... there were bad actors trying to kill you. I don't believe that anybody deployed to Iraq truly ever felt that they weren't in harms way.

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Can we just not admit, once and for all, that the GOP candidate for the Presidency is an offensive fool?

You are being WAAAAY too kind here. Effing moron would be more descriptive. Imbecile would also work as you wouldn't need any adjectives.

Thermonuclear a-hole would almost be perfect.

Yet still not all that many years ago trump was the darling of the left wing NYC elite social butterflies. There were not many NYC Democrat politicians that I'm aware of that turned down trumps campaign checks. Then they had an epiphany as to who trump really was. That fact might have coincided with trump saying he was now a Republican and would run against HRC. Is there anyone out there in fanlax forum land that actually believes trump is a Republican?

He is neither. Just a uniformly mega-douchbag.

Nope, not a "Republican" and not a conservative.

Of course they took his checks. Then he hollowed out and controlled a "party" full of Congressman and women and Senators that allowed the monster to take over, and created a voting base that they cannot now afford to lose themselves. The Result: constant debasement of themselves. Constant excuses for the Moron's racism. Constant repackaging of the crazy sh*t he says and does.