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Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:17 pm
by runrussellrun
....because, having clicked on the link within Dr. #2,(Harvard Dr. ) as part of fulfilling ocanada's request, "which dr's" (pretty sure it's still there ) , one would find that she, the Harvard Dr., has a link to a FEDERAL law ......that IS why.

More from the Oregon law....which started out with the same language as the Federal law proposed, in our US House of Reps......menstrual dignity. bolding the weird words


Requirements Per OAR 581-021-0593
● (2) All education providers shall provide instructions on how to use menstrual products
within the bathroom. The instructions must:
● (a) Be affirming of transgender, non-binary, two spirit and intersex students; What the heck does any of this even mean ?
● (b) Not be fear- or shame-based; "shame based" who the F "shames" a woman for this ? Maybe TLD rapist friend.
● (c) Be age-appropriate; again, Oregon wants these in Kindergarten aged bathrooms. So, again, What the heck does this even mean ?
● (d) Be medically accurate. You mean...only a human with a uterus, can menstruate..... :lol: :lol:
● (e) Be culturally responsive; and again, What the heck does this even mean ?
● (f) Be accessible for students with disabilities we already have laws regarding this..


Oh....and WHO doesn't love....the further nonsense, of the "pillars of menstrual dignity" . To include:

Privacy
Inclusivity.........THIS.....is the one we have an issue with. See above, with the "spirit hands/intersex" garbage
Access
Education.

I am concerned about these insane laws, for many reasons. In ALL states. You can find the Federal proposed legislation yourself. Last I checked, where I live, and you live, would be effected by Federal law. Regarding menstrual, dignity.

this one goes back to 2019

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... /1882/text
This Act may be cited as the “Menstrual Equity For All Act of 2019”.

another one:
https://meng.house.gov/media-center/pre ... l-products

Below is some of the "endorsements", for this "act"

said Amanda Klasing, interim Women's Rights Co-Director at Human Rights Watch. "Yet, in schools, universities, workplaces, and detention facilities, people living in poverty or in conditions of homelessness may struggle to manage their periods with dignity, with a devastating impact on basic rights. The Menstrual Equity for All Act is an important step to ensure that people with periods don't miss out on their rights because they can't access the means to manage menstruation."

"All young people deserve to go through adolescence and puberty with dignity, support, and celebration instead of shame and stigma," said Christine Soyong Harley, President and CEO of SIECUS: Sex Ed for Social Change



people with periods are called woman

This IS all about blowing up the history of science, for F sake. Wanting science back, doesn't make one a monster. Or anti trans. And, if someone, still enrolled in school (under the age of 18 ), has already "started the process" of transition, From woman, to man, what does this even mean ?

Take back science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTx6S4kXbXc

True North

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:53 pm
by runrussellrun
https://rumble.com/v2k5xlk-pro-trans-me ... -no-r.html


....because, it IS a nationwide thing. all based on the 2019 proposed Federal legislation....only, like in Oregon, they make a few changes. Insane changes. Can anyone explain what the law means by "cultural"?

So, to answer my own question regarding how a human being that is menstruating, and what "tansitioning already", even means.

Need only watch the first minute or so.......stay for Alexa ;)

these people are sicko, child abusers.....allowing these things to happen at this age. Crazy, to the point that they, with every last dying breath, support a non working drug produced during the Trump administration. A drug rushed thru, with prior legal framework essentially providing no legal recourse, all things covid. The most corrupt POTUSA ever.....take THIS guys drug. crazy.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:16 am
by NattyBohChamps04
Glad to support health care for kids, no matter how much they're in the minority.

Sad to see so many people want to hurt kids and kill them. Even some here on the forum. Unsurprising with how they want to kill the healthy elderly too.

They'll probably want to kill me too. Lemon and lymes and all.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:25 am
by runrussellrun
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:16 am Glad to support health care for kids, no matter how much they're in the minority.

Sad to see so many people want to hurt kids and kill them. Even some here on the forum. Unsurprising with how they want to kill the healthy elderly too.

They'll probably want to kill me too. Lemon and lymes and all.
just lousy...and insane.

"they".....

depressed, soiling myself, coming here. audious, sickos

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:05 am
by OCanada
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:25 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:16 am Glad to support health care for kids, no matter how much they're in the minority.

Sad to see so many people want to hurt kids and kill them. Even some here on the forum. Unsurprising with how they want to kill the healthy elderly too.

They'll probably want to kill me too. Lemon and lymes and all.
just lousy...and insane.

"they".....

depressed, soiling myself, coming here. audious, sickos
Soiling yourself is nothing new

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:09 am
by Kismet
RedFromMI wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:05 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:45 am Word around the internet that Tucker Carlson and Fox have parted ways and he will no longer be on the air effective IMMEDIATELY.

He must have a BIG deal with somebody else or something else is going on . He is t#1 rated show on Fox.
There is a press release out already. It has happened.

Tucker will NOT be on tonight - Friday was his last show for FOX.
Tucker gets his recently signed $20 million contract paid in full despite being let go. Add that to the $297 million to Dominion.
Fox shareholders must be thrilled.

wonder if he is going to return all those video clips Kevin sent him?

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:18 am
by SCLaxAttack
Kismet wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:09 am
RedFromMI wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:05 pm
Kismet wrote: Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:45 am Word around the internet that Tucker Carlson and Fox have parted ways and he will no longer be on the air effective IMMEDIATELY.

He must have a BIG deal with somebody else or something else is going on . He is t#1 rated show on Fox.
There is a press release out already. It has happened.

Tucker will NOT be on tonight - Friday was his last show for FOX.
Tucker gets his recently signed $20 million contract paid in full despite being let go. Add that to the $297 million to Dominion.
Fox shareholders must be thrilled.

wonder if he is going to return all those video clips Kevin sent him?
Those shareholders were riding high when their entertainers were giving their audience what they wanted to hear despite the lies. Now it's time to pay the piper.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:20 pm
by runrussellrun
OCanada wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:05 am
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:25 am
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:16 am Glad to support health care for kids, no matter how much they're in the minority.

Sad to see so many people want to hurt kids and kill them. Even some here on the forum. Unsurprising with how they want to kill the healthy elderly too.

They'll probably want to kill me too. Lemon and lymes and all.
just lousy...and insane.

"they".....

depressed, soiling myself, coming here. audious, sickos
Soiling yourself is nothing new
Did I not provide enough information, to qualify as a suffecient answer to your "which doctors".

Did you not see my reply? Of course you did. bud......you skurry away like a little rat, after leaving your question behind....same as it ever was.

Lots of states are proposing "menstraul integrity" bills. Pennsylvannia got one.

Here is the Colorado bill/legislation.

https://www.cde.state.co.us/healthandwe ... neproducts

Program Objectives

Increase the number of gender-neutral spaces where students can access free menstrual hygiene products
Increase the number of gender-neutral spaces where students can dispose of menstrual hygiene products



What does this even mean, "increase" ? And why is the word "gender neutral" being used? Especially on applications.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:25 pm
by a fan
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:20 pm Here is the Colorado bill/legislation.

https://www.cde.state.co.us/healthandwe ... neproducts

Program Objectives

Increase the number of gender-neutral spaces where students can access free menstrual hygiene products
Increase the number of gender-neutral spaces where students can dispose of menstrual hygiene products



What does this even mean, "increase" ? And why is the word "gender neutral" being used? Especially on applications.
Oh no! Poor people in my Home State might get access to tampons!! We can't do that, because RRR-----who doesn't have kids, and doesn't live here----is upset and scared of poor people! Poor people don't deserve access to health care!

Boy, you better not visit schools here in 2023. You'll find that they provide food and water for poor kids, too. Can't have that, now can we, RRR?

Let them eat cake, right, Marie? Don't forget to hold your pinky up at the next lacrosse game, lest it touch the dirty and unwashed poor. :roll:

When did the poor become such a target for you? You know full well that the Covid death rate was twice as high in poor counties in Colorado as the rich. And now you're here telling us that giving them access to freaking sanitary napkins is the devil, because (insert weirdo TeamTinFoil reason)

Go away. Sell your contempt for the poor on the East Coast. Or better still, move to Russia, China, Iran, or N Korea. They're OVERJOYED to have you aboard, and they share all your views.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:27 pm
by runrussellrun
a fan wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:25 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:20 pm Here is the Colorado bill/legislation.

https://www.cde.state.co.us/healthandwe ... neproducts

Program Objectives

Increase the number of gender-neutral spaces where students can access free menstrual hygiene products
Increase the number of gender-neutral spaces where students can dispose of menstrual hygiene products



What does this even mean, "increase" ? And why is the word "gender neutral" being used? Especially on applications.
Oh no! Poor people in my Home State might get access to tampons!! We can't do that, because RRR-----who doesn't have kids, and doesn't live here----is upset and scared of poor people! Poor people don't deserve access to health care!

Boy, you better not visit schools here in 2023. You'll find that they provide food and water for poor kids, too. Can't have that, now can we, RRR?

Let them eat cake, right, Marie? Don't forget to hold your pinky up at the next lacrosse game, lest it touch the dirty and unwashed poor. :roll:

When did the poor become such a target for you? You know full well that the Covid death rate was twice as high in poor counties in Colorado as the rich. And now you're here telling us that giving them access to freaking sanitary napkins is the devil, because (insert weirdo TeamTinFoil reason)

Go away. Sell your contempt for the poor on the East Coast. Or better still, move to Russia, China, Iran, or N Korea. They're OVERJOYED to have you aboard, and they share all your views.
That's your take ? This is about "free" tampons for the poor :lol: :lol:

Why not ask your daughter what she thinks of tampons in boyz rooms.........

.....and continue to disregard the language involved with these laws.

dude, if a child, can make the decision to take life altering measures, to morph into something, at age 14 (minor/age of consent ) needs help with "menstrual education"..........you're even crazleeurrr than we thought.





You were , umm....joking, when you claimed that I don't have any children, correct ? Just wow.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:40 pm
by runrussellrun
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:27 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:25 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:20 pm Here is the Colorado bill/legislation.

https://www.cde.state.co.us/healthandwe ... neproducts

Program Objectives

Increase the number of gender-neutral spaces where students can access free menstrual hygiene products
Increase the number of gender-neutral spaces where students can dispose of menstrual hygiene products



What does this even mean, "increase" ? And why is the word "gender neutral" being used? Especially on applications.
Oh no! Poor people in my Home State might get access to tampons!! We can't do that, because RRR-----who doesn't have kids, and doesn't live here----is upset and scared of poor people! Poor people don't deserve access to health care!

Boy, you better not visit schools here in 2023. You'll find that they provide food and water for poor kids, too. Can't have that, now can we, RRR?

Let them eat cake, right, Marie? Don't forget to hold your pinky up at the next lacrosse game, lest it touch the dirty and unwashed poor. :roll:
That's your take ? This is about "free" tampons for the poor :lol: :lol:







You were , umm....joking, when you claimed that I don't have any children, correct ? Just wow.
He meant, school age. he knows you have children, he meant still in the public school system. His absolutism, always, means he can net move.

Only....if enrolling in a College or University this fall, 2023.......does that student have to have tRumps fake shots, to enroll. Yes, or no ?

don't care about all the other ones....specifically, covid shots. And, requiring "boosters" (how many do ? )



Trump....and rightfully so......will be thrown under the covid bus, if he really gains momentum.

Maybe Don Lemon got fired because the way he treated the GOP Presidential Candidate, recently.

Guess, you guys missed that interview. Or even know whom we speak of.

Pretty sure brookie agrees with his 2nd amendment takes, regarding 'jim crow" and how former slaves gun ownership helped with "freedom". black panthers, Cali state house........love it.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:59 pm
by a fan
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:27 pm That's your take ? This is about "free" tampons for the poor :lol: :lol:
Yep. That's my take. And as usual, my take isn't hip or cool enough for Mr. Contrarian.
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:27 pm Why not ask your daughter what she thinks of tampons in boyz rooms.........
(drumroll) She'll never see them. Boy, what a difficult "problem" you're handing me.
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:27 pm
....and continue to disregard the language involved with these laws.

dude, if a child, can make the decision to take life altering measures, to morph into something, at age 14 (minor/age of consent ) needs help with "menstrual education"..........you're even crazleeurrr than we thought.
:lol: I have ZERO interest in telling someone else's kids what they can or can't do.

Kids you told me that you didn't have before, but now you do.

Great. Stand corrected. Tell us about your kids, and tell me when I get to tell them what they can and can't do.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:12 pm
by runrussellrun
a fan wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:59 pm Kids you told me that you didn't have before, but now you do.

Great. Stand corrected. Tell us about your kids, and tell me when I get to tell them what they can and can't do.
When did I tell you I didn't have children ?

Guess , it doesn't matter. your beliefs are absolute.

You can never point to a sentence I typed that stated I don't have children. That IS an absolute, fact. It doesn't exist..

you care about the poor so much, you are keeping your daughter from ever having to associate with them. got it. :lol:

dude, you can STILL ask her what she thinks about tampons in boyz bathrooms. Is she really not going to hang out with public school kids, anymore. What if Denver Country Day implements this same policy. It is, after all, state law 8-)


glad you care enough to pay attention, what, with SO many posters, on these threads, and their backgrounds/bios...........yikes.

But, your "could give a F about others" attitude, can't be any more clear. Effects you and your ecosystem. got it.

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:56 pm
by a fan
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:12 pm When did I tell you I didn't have children ?

Guess , it doesn't matter. your beliefs are absolute.
Nope. Happy to be corrected. Unlike you, who is the only guy here who has it all figured out and looks down his nose at the rest of us who don't share your hip, edgy opinions. You have kids. Great. Good for you.
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:27 pm you care about the poor so much, you are keeping your daughter from ever having to associate with them. got it. :lol:
:lol: I work in F&B. All of my closest friends are paycheck to paycheck. But sure, let's put our CV's out there and see which of us has done more to help the poor in the last 20 years. And no small part of that was paying my employees more than I took home. I'd LOVE to hear why it is you think you're on the high ground here. Seem to remember a whole bunch of bragging over the years bout hanging with the well heeled East Coast libs under your numerous personas at Laxpower.
runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:27 pm dude, you can STILL ask her what she thinks about tampons in boyz bathrooms. Is she really not going to hang out with public school kids, anymore. What if Denver Country Day implements this same policy. It is, after all, state law 8-)
What the heck is "Denver Country Day?" As for my daughter, I'm much more worried about explaining to her that she could get her head blown off at school because guys like you would rather waste your time chasing "the gays" our of their schools to bother fixing far more pressing problems. REALLY enjoyed telling her how my former econ teacher at Columbine was blown to bits for showing up to teach one day.

But sure, I'm REALLY worried about tampons, RRR. Please. Tell me more about how this deserves even a millisecond of my attention.

runrussellrun wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:27 pm But, your "could give a F about others" attitude, can't be any more clear. Effects you and your ecosystem. got it.
:lol: You are THE most logically challenged guy on the board.

You can't tell the difference between giving poor kids a little help (which is what this OR bill does), and taking things AWAY from poor kids.

Take stuff away? You've got my attention. Giving them things? Yep, you're right-----I'm going to ask you: how does this affect YOU so much that you're flipping out about it.

Don't like the policy? Sweet. Vote. Vote folks out who pass these laws. I know I do, unless the other option is a full on nutjob.

Re: media matters

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:38 pm
by old salt
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/04/ ... erm=second

In Defense of Tucker Carlson

By MICHAEL BRENDAN DOUGHERTY, April 26, 2023

The worldview of Carlson has been remarkably consistent the last seven years, in public and in private.

The narrative out there is that Tucker Carlson, recently canned by Fox News, has been badly exposed by the disclosures from the lawsuits. He says one thing in private — that he hates Trump passionately — and he’s never said anything like that on-air. Charles Krauthammer used to say, “You’re betraying your whole life if you don’t say what you think — and you don’t say it honestly and bluntly.” Tucker is a hypocrite, condescending to his audiences.

This is just fantastically wrong. Tucker’s real views on Trump have been out there in the public the whole time, dating back to January 2016 when he published them in an arresting feature, “Donald Trump Is Shocking, Vulgar and Right.”

In that article, Tucker gives you the basics of his view of Trump. He admits most of the downsides about Trump, that Trump seems proud of his corruption, that he’s faking it among Evangelical audiences, that he’s “vulgar” and “emotionally incontinent.” Tucker contends that Trump is viable only because of the failures of the governing class, especially the conservative nonprofit world, which had the keys to the kingdom under George W. Bush and produced the Iraq War, a financial meltdown, and the displacement of millions of Americans from their homes in an economic calamity. In that article, he calls out the class divide between Republican voters who care about controlling the border and slowing down the pace of immigration, and elected Republicans who value cheap immigrant labor and wanted amnesty.

The Democrats assume [Trump’s] a bigot, pandering to the morons out there in the great dark space between Georgetown and Brentwood. The Republicans (those relatively few who live here) fully agree with that assessment, and they hate him even more. They sense Trump is a threat to them personally, to their legitimacy and their livelihoods. Idi Amin would get a warmer reception in our dog park.

I understand it of course. And, except in those moments when the self-righteous silliness of rich people overwhelms me and I feel like moving to Maine, I can see their points, some of them anyway. Trump might not be my first choice for president. I’m not even convinced he really wants the job. He’s smart enough to know it would be tough for him to govern.


Tucker understood and implied that in some ways he sympathized with people who would treat Trump as less welcome than Idi Amin. Yeah, that in fact does sound like a guy who, in private messages, would make fun of Trump’s business acumen, or credit him with being good only at destroying things.

In that same piece, Tucker also said some perspicacious things, such as that Trump had a decent chance in the general election. And that the conventional wisdom was wrong that Trump would crater the Republican Party with racial minorities. Tucker anticipated the opposite, which turned out to be farsighted. He also saw that Republican elites would get so upset about Trump’s success that they would begin to talk about and treat their former voters as proto-fascists.

The Tucker thesis about Trump stayed the same in his 2018 book Ship of Fools: that Trump’s election was a middle finger to the existing ruling class, a sign that the people at the top had to change their ways.

Where Carlson complimented Trump, he did so with heavy qualifications: “At times, he seemed interested in what voters thought. The people in charge demonstrably weren’t.” This was rapidly followed by Carlson’s noting that nobody in the ruling class seemed to internalize the lesson that voters were trying to teach them with Donald Trump, and instead they doubled down on conspiracy theories about Russia, or simply on demonizing the voters. He warned darkly that if they continue down this path, Americans will “vote for radical populists who will make Donald Trump look restrained.”

While everyone else was making a splash by selling similar-looking books about Donald Trump as the main character of our politics, Carlson took the exact opposite view. He maintained on his show, night after night, that America’s “Ship of Fools,” its ruling class, was still the most important player.

And he demonstrated that attitude constantly with what might be the most often-used verbal transition in Carlson’s opening monologues. “Whatever you think of Donald Trump, millions of Americans supported him. You think the ruling class would ask themselves why, but instead they want to” — take your pick: blame it on Putin/try to silence their critics/sic their red guards after you.

And Carlson has stuck to that thesis — this isn’t about Trump; it’s about our ruling class — through nearly every spin of the news cycle. It’s the theory that shaped even his coverage of the January 6 riot at the Capitol, including his focus on law enforcement’s actions, or how the narrative of January 6 is being used to justify deploying the security state against ordinary citizens.

You can argue that he’s wrong, that some of the stories of the Trump years really were primarily about the faults and foibles of Donald Trump. And I have. While I’m curious and open to theories about the placed and removed pipe bombs on January 6, or question the lack of Capitol police assigned to work on that day, I still think the main story of that day was that Donald Trump lied about the election and lied about what Pence could do about it, misleading his assembled followers into a mob that he refused to call off. And I’ve said as much by text to Tucker, and presumably to the CIA handler who reads our private communications. But he still thinks the main legacy of January 6 is that law enforcement can now treat the domestic Right with the tools developed to combat foreign jihadists. I can’t knock him for inconsistency there.

And on the matter of private texts revealing the whole truth — I’m sorry, they don’t. Carlson has his own explanations for some of the most extreme things he said about Trump privately — mostly having to do with being jawboned by campaign people in the days after the campaign. But the private communications of my friends in political journalism bear roughly the same divergence from their public work as Carlson’s. In private conversation, people blow off steam, they speak emotively, they grab each other’s attention with gossip and slander and shock value. That they don’t print this stuff to their audience is not a sign of their dishonesty or cravenness, it’s a sign of their considered judgment, almost always for the better.

Some of the other matters in the texts have been blown out of proportion. For instance, Tucker’s called for the firing of reporter Jacqui Heinrich for fact-checking a Donald Trump claim about Dominion. Among the prime-time hosts, Carlson had actually been the most vocally skeptical on-air of the Trump camp’s theories about Dominion. He humiliated Trump’s conspiracy-theory-peddling lawyer Sidney Powell repeatedly. But Heinrich’s fact-check did collateral damage to Sean Hannity’s show. You may care only for the truth, egos be damned. But it was a breach of a rule at Fox News that the news and opinion side don’t fire on each other in public. The same rules would apply to me. My colleagues are free to disagree with me and even show that I’m wrong on the facts. But I’m not allowed to offer what purports to be an impartial fact-check of my colleagues’ articles, as that would call into question the integrity of National Review as an organization for having published them in the first place. The text chain from which it was taken was one that included the prime-time opinion hosts, who were operating under a constraint from criticizing the Fox News Decision Desk for its unjustifiably early call on Arizona — a call that turned out to be correct, but which was questioned even by liberal media outlets.

As Ross Douthat pointed out in the New York Times, Tucker’s radical suspicion of accepted institutional authority now extends far beyond Trump, and far beyond what could plausibly be construed as the narrow commercial interests of a Fox News host. Is there a giant Fox audience demanding to be served and catered to with content about how JFK may have been killed over a dispute with the U.S. intelligence agencies over the Israeli nuclear power plant at Dimona? The same suspicion of institutional authority makes Tucker curious to hear and air Kanye West — a man evidently going through a psychological break — talking about the phalanx of political and entertainment figures who wanted to control what he said and represented in the culture.

The most prominent populist voice in media has been temporarily silenced. A lot of people are going to take the relative moment of silence to convince themselves that America’s institutions are doing just fine again.

Re: media matters

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:46 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:38 pm
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/04/ ... erm=second

In Defense of Tucker Carlson

By MICHAEL BRENDAN DOUGHERTY, April 26, 2023

The worldview of Carlson has been remarkably consistent the last seven years, in public and in private.

The narrative out there is that Tucker Carlson, recently canned by Fox News, has been badly exposed by the disclosures from the lawsuits. He says one thing in private — that he hates Trump passionately — and he’s never said anything like that on-air. Charles Krauthammer used to say, “You’re betraying your whole life if you don’t say what you think — and you don’t say it honestly and bluntly.” Tucker is a hypocrite, condescending to his audiences.

This is just fantastically wrong. Tucker’s real views on Trump have been out there in the public the whole time, dating back to January 2016 when he published them in an arresting feature, “Donald Trump Is Shocking, Vulgar and Right.”

In that article, Tucker gives you the basics of his view of Trump. He admits most of the downsides about Trump, that Trump seems proud of his corruption, that he’s faking it among Evangelical audiences, that he’s “vulgar” and “emotionally incontinent.” Tucker contends that Trump is viable only because of the failures of the governing class, especially the conservative nonprofit world, which had the keys to the kingdom under George W. Bush and produced the Iraq War, a financial meltdown, and the displacement of millions of Americans from their homes in an economic calamity. In that article, he calls out the class divide between Republican voters who care about controlling the border and slowing down the pace of immigration, and elected Republicans who value cheap immigrant labor and wanted amnesty.

The Democrats assume [Trump’s] a bigot, pandering to the morons out there in the great dark space between Georgetown and Brentwood. The Republicans (those relatively few who live here) fully agree with that assessment, and they hate him even more. They sense Trump is a threat to them personally, to their legitimacy and their livelihoods. Idi Amin would get a warmer reception in our dog park.

I understand it of course. And, except in those moments when the self-righteous silliness of rich people overwhelms me and I feel like moving to Maine, I can see their points, some of them anyway. Trump might not be my first choice for president. I’m not even convinced he really wants the job. He’s smart enough to know it would be tough for him to govern.


Tucker understood and implied that in some ways he sympathized with people who would treat Trump as less welcome than Idi Amin. Yeah, that in fact does sound like a guy who, in private messages, would make fun of Trump’s business acumen, or credit him with being good only at destroying things.

In that same piece, Tucker also said some perspicacious things, such as that Trump had a decent chance in the general election. And that the conventional wisdom was wrong that Trump would crater the Republican Party with racial minorities. Tucker anticipated the opposite, which turned out to be farsighted. He also saw that Republican elites would get so upset about Trump’s success that they would begin to talk about and treat their former voters as proto-fascists.

The Tucker thesis about Trump stayed the same in his 2018 book Ship of Fools: that Trump’s election was a middle finger to the existing ruling class, a sign that the people at the top had to change their ways.

Where Carlson complimented Trump, he did so with heavy qualifications: “At times, he seemed interested in what voters thought. The people in charge demonstrably weren’t.” This was rapidly followed by Carlson’s noting that nobody in the ruling class seemed to internalize the lesson that voters were trying to teach them with Donald Trump, and instead they doubled down on conspiracy theories about Russia, or simply on demonizing the voters. He warned darkly that if they continue down this path, Americans will “vote for radical populists who will make Donald Trump look restrained.”

While everyone else was making a splash by selling similar-looking books about Donald Trump as the main character of our politics, Carlson took the exact opposite view. He maintained on his show, night after night, that America’s “Ship of Fools,” its ruling class, was still the most important player.

And he demonstrated that attitude constantly with what might be the most often-used verbal transition in Carlson’s opening monologues. “Whatever you think of Donald Trump, millions of Americans supported him. You think the ruling class would ask themselves why, but instead they want to” — take your pick: blame it on Putin/try to silence their critics/sic their red guards after you.

And Carlson has stuck to that thesis — this isn’t about Trump; it’s about our ruling class — through nearly every spin of the news cycle. It’s the theory that shaped even his coverage of the January 6 riot at the Capitol, including his focus on law enforcement’s actions, or how the narrative of January 6 is being used to justify deploying the security state against ordinary citizens.

You can argue that he’s wrong, that some of the stories of the Trump years really were primarily about the faults and foibles of Donald Trump. And I have. While I’m curious and open to theories about the placed and removed pipe bombs on January 6, or question the lack of Capitol police assigned to work on that day, I still think the main story of that day was that Donald Trump lied about the election and lied about what Pence could do about it, misleading his assembled followers into a mob that he refused to call off. And I’ve said as much by text to Tucker, and presumably to the CIA handler who reads our private communications. But he still thinks the main legacy of January 6 is that law enforcement can now treat the domestic Right with the tools developed to combat foreign jihadists. I can’t knock him for inconsistency there.

And on the matter of private texts revealing the whole truth — I’m sorry, they don’t. Carlson has his own explanations for some of the most extreme things he said about Trump privately — mostly having to do with being jawboned by campaign people in the days after the campaign. But the private communications of my friends in political journalism bear roughly the same divergence from their public work as Carlson’s. In private conversation, people blow off steam, they speak emotively, they grab each other’s attention with gossip and slander and shock value. That they don’t print this stuff to their audience is not a sign of their dishonesty or cravenness, it’s a sign of their considered judgment, almost always for the better.

Some of the other matters in the texts have been blown out of proportion. For instance, Tucker’s called for the firing of reporter Jacqui Heinrich for fact-checking a Donald Trump claim about Dominion. Among the prime-time hosts, Carlson had actually been the most vocally skeptical on-air of the Trump camp’s theories about Dominion. He humiliated Trump’s conspiracy-theory-peddling lawyer Sidney Powell repeatedly. But Heinrich’s fact-check did collateral damage to Sean Hannity’s show. You may care only for the truth, egos be damned. But it was a breach of a rule at Fox News that the news and opinion side don’t fire on each other in public. The same rules would apply to me. My colleagues are free to disagree with me and even show that I’m wrong on the facts. But I’m not allowed to offer what purports to be an impartial fact-check of my colleagues’ articles, as that would call into question the integrity of National Review as an organization for having published them in the first place. The text chain from which it was taken was one that included the prime-time opinion hosts, who were operating under a constraint from criticizing the Fox News Decision Desk for its unjustifiably early call on Arizona — a call that turned out to be correct, but which was questioned even by liberal media outlets.

As Ross Douthat pointed out in the New York Times, Tucker’s radical suspicion of accepted institutional authority now extends far beyond Trump, and far beyond what could plausibly be construed as the narrow commercial interests of a Fox News host. Is there a giant Fox audience demanding to be served and catered to with content about how JFK may have been killed over a dispute with the U.S. intelligence agencies over the Israeli nuclear power plant at Dimona? The same suspicion of institutional authority makes Tucker curious to hear and air Kanye West — a man evidently going through a psychological break — talking about the phalanx of political and entertainment figures who wanted to control what he said and represented in the culture.

The most prominent populist voice in media has been temporarily silenced. A lot of people are going to take the relative moment of silence to convince themselves that America’s institutions are doing just fine again.
Where is your In Defense Of Don Lemon Post? You can just put it out there…

Re: media matters

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:45 pm
by youthathletics

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 10:31 am
by MDlaxfan76
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:46 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:38 pm
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/04/ ... erm=second

In Defense of Tucker Carlson

By MICHAEL BRENDAN DOUGHERTY, April 26, 2023

The worldview of Carlson has been remarkably consistent the last seven years, in public and in private.

The narrative out there is that Tucker Carlson, recently canned by Fox News, has been badly exposed by the disclosures from the lawsuits. He says one thing in private — that he hates Trump passionately — and he’s never said anything like that on-air. Charles Krauthammer used to say, “You’re betraying your whole life if you don’t say what you think — and you don’t say it honestly and bluntly.” Tucker is a hypocrite, condescending to his audiences.

This is just fantastically wrong. Tucker’s real views on Trump have been out there in the public the whole time, dating back to January 2016 when he published them in an arresting feature, “Donald Trump Is Shocking, Vulgar and Right.”

In that article, Tucker gives you the basics of his view of Trump. He admits most of the downsides about Trump, that Trump seems proud of his corruption, that he’s faking it among Evangelical audiences, that he’s “vulgar” and “emotionally incontinent.” Tucker contends that Trump is viable only because of the failures of the governing class, especially the conservative nonprofit world, which had the keys to the kingdom under George W. Bush and produced the Iraq War, a financial meltdown, and the displacement of millions of Americans from their homes in an economic calamity. In that article, he calls out the class divide between Republican voters who care about controlling the border and slowing down the pace of immigration, and elected Republicans who value cheap immigrant labor and wanted amnesty.

The Democrats assume [Trump’s] a bigot, pandering to the morons out there in the great dark space between Georgetown and Brentwood. The Republicans (those relatively few who live here) fully agree with that assessment, and they hate him even more. They sense Trump is a threat to them personally, to their legitimacy and their livelihoods. Idi Amin would get a warmer reception in our dog park.

I understand it of course. And, except in those moments when the self-righteous silliness of rich people overwhelms me and I feel like moving to Maine, I can see their points, some of them anyway. Trump might not be my first choice for president. I’m not even convinced he really wants the job. He’s smart enough to know it would be tough for him to govern.


Tucker understood and implied that in some ways he sympathized with people who would treat Trump as less welcome than Idi Amin. Yeah, that in fact does sound like a guy who, in private messages, would make fun of Trump’s business acumen, or credit him with being good only at destroying things.

In that same piece, Tucker also said some perspicacious things, such as that Trump had a decent chance in the general election. And that the conventional wisdom was wrong that Trump would crater the Republican Party with racial minorities. Tucker anticipated the opposite, which turned out to be farsighted. He also saw that Republican elites would get so upset about Trump’s success that they would begin to talk about and treat their former voters as proto-fascists.

The Tucker thesis about Trump stayed the same in his 2018 book Ship of Fools: that Trump’s election was a middle finger to the existing ruling class, a sign that the people at the top had to change their ways.

Where Carlson complimented Trump, he did so with heavy qualifications: “At times, he seemed interested in what voters thought. The people in charge demonstrably weren’t.” This was rapidly followed by Carlson’s noting that nobody in the ruling class seemed to internalize the lesson that voters were trying to teach them with Donald Trump, and instead they doubled down on conspiracy theories about Russia, or simply on demonizing the voters. He warned darkly that if they continue down this path, Americans will “vote for radical populists who will make Donald Trump look restrained.”

While everyone else was making a splash by selling similar-looking books about Donald Trump as the main character of our politics, Carlson took the exact opposite view. He maintained on his show, night after night, that America’s “Ship of Fools,” its ruling class, was still the most important player.

And he demonstrated that attitude constantly with what might be the most often-used verbal transition in Carlson’s opening monologues. “Whatever you think of Donald Trump, millions of Americans supported him. You think the ruling class would ask themselves why, but instead they want to” — take your pick: blame it on Putin/try to silence their critics/sic their red guards after you.

And Carlson has stuck to that thesis — this isn’t about Trump; it’s about our ruling class — through nearly every spin of the news cycle. It’s the theory that shaped even his coverage of the January 6 riot at the Capitol, including his focus on law enforcement’s actions, or how the narrative of January 6 is being used to justify deploying the security state against ordinary citizens.

You can argue that he’s wrong, that some of the stories of the Trump years really were primarily about the faults and foibles of Donald Trump. And I have. While I’m curious and open to theories about the placed and removed pipe bombs on January 6, or question the lack of Capitol police assigned to work on that day, I still think the main story of that day was that Donald Trump lied about the election and lied about what Pence could do about it, misleading his assembled followers into a mob that he refused to call off. And I’ve said as much by text to Tucker, and presumably to the CIA handler who reads our private communications. But he still thinks the main legacy of January 6 is that law enforcement can now treat the domestic Right with the tools developed to combat foreign jihadists. I can’t knock him for inconsistency there.

And on the matter of private texts revealing the whole truth — I’m sorry, they don’t. Carlson has his own explanations for some of the most extreme things he said about Trump privately — mostly having to do with being jawboned by campaign people in the days after the campaign. But the private communications of my friends in political journalism bear roughly the same divergence from their public work as Carlson’s. In private conversation, people blow off steam, they speak emotively, they grab each other’s attention with gossip and slander and shock value. That they don’t print this stuff to their audience is not a sign of their dishonesty or cravenness, it’s a sign of their considered judgment, almost always for the better.

Some of the other matters in the texts have been blown out of proportion. For instance, Tucker’s called for the firing of reporter Jacqui Heinrich for fact-checking a Donald Trump claim about Dominion. Among the prime-time hosts, Carlson had actually been the most vocally skeptical on-air of the Trump camp’s theories about Dominion. He humiliated Trump’s conspiracy-theory-peddling lawyer Sidney Powell repeatedly. But Heinrich’s fact-check did collateral damage to Sean Hannity’s show. You may care only for the truth, egos be damned. But it was a breach of a rule at Fox News that the news and opinion side don’t fire on each other in public. The same rules would apply to me. My colleagues are free to disagree with me and even show that I’m wrong on the facts. But I’m not allowed to offer what purports to be an impartial fact-check of my colleagues’ articles, as that would call into question the integrity of National Review as an organization for having published them in the first place. The text chain from which it was taken was one that included the prime-time opinion hosts, who were operating under a constraint from criticizing the Fox News Decision Desk for its unjustifiably early call on Arizona — a call that turned out to be correct, but which was questioned even by liberal media outlets.

As Ross Douthat pointed out in the New York Times, Tucker’s radical suspicion of accepted institutional authority now extends far beyond Trump, and far beyond what could plausibly be construed as the narrow commercial interests of a Fox News host. Is there a giant Fox audience demanding to be served and catered to with content about how JFK may have been killed over a dispute with the U.S. intelligence agencies over the Israeli nuclear power plant at Dimona? The same suspicion of institutional authority makes Tucker curious to hear and air Kanye West — a man evidently going through a psychological break — talking about the phalanx of political and entertainment figures who wanted to control what he said and represented in the culture.

The most prominent populist voice in media has been temporarily silenced. A lot of people are going to take the relative moment of silence to convince themselves that America’s institutions are doing just fine again.
Where is your In Defense Of Don Lemon Post? You can just put it out there…
Does CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, WAPO, have this "rule".

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 10:40 am
by MDlaxfan76
Same cat offering up a conspiracy theory about Fox PR intentionally leaking stories to NYT.

By MICHAEL BRENDAN DOUGHERTY
April 29, 2023 7:28 AM

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Fox News hasn’t explained to their audience why the No. 1 show on cable television, Tucker Carlson Tonight, is canceled. However, several news stories have leaked out purporting to explain the real reason why. One was that Carlson had used the “c-word” about a female executive at Fox News, and had expressed displeasure that Fox’s lawyers had managed to redact this from the discovery of the Dominion trial. The Times described it as “a catalyst” for the decision to fire him. But that can’t be the reason, as Carlson had been deposed for this last summer, likely months after Fox’s executives and lawyers had reviewed the material themselves.

The Times also had an original angle in their story on Carlson’s firing. It reads this way:

In video obtained by The Times, for instance, Mr. Carlson is shown off camera discussing his “postmenopausal fans” and whether they will approve of how he looks on the air. In another video, he is overheard describing a woman he finds “yummy.”

Put aside the very odd expression “Carlson is shown off camera” — which is likely an awkward way of describing a video of him “off air,” either before or after his show finished taping, or during a commercial break. Instead focus on that first phrase: “In video obtained by The Times.”

Are there just random videos of the off-air parts of Tucker Carlson Tonight just waiting to be discovered by the New York Times? Perhaps these tapes are under highway overpasses.

No, the Times obviously got this from Fox’s PR people, perhaps with help from the very office of the executive who was the subject of Carlson’s “c-word” text.

I just find it a strange strategy. It’s not a shock that News Corp assets would get some of the inside line. Or that the most pro-Ukraine commentator in Australia would be fed the line that it was Tucker’s position on Ukraine that did him in. But Fox’s PR problem is that it has gone “soft” somehow by firing Tucker Carlson, its most original, highly rated, and taboo-breaking host. Now it’s trying to dirty up Tucker while he legally can’t talk about Fox, by turning toward the New York Times?


Here's what I wonder: what do Tucker's and Michael's emails to one another reveal?

Re: media matters

Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 11:43 am
by njbill
Why was Tucker fired? I think it’s pretty simple. Because of everything he has ever said or done.