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Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:08 pm
by wahoomurf
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:52 pm
reLAX wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:56 pm
wahoomurf wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:20 pm I am pretty close with some of the players and their parents.

I have yet to hear either whine about Tiffany.
Bottom line is this. Regardless of the relationship w the coaching staff, the issue of playing time, whatever the reason, no one is questioning His reason for leaving. The issue is one of questionable judgment in this instance. All I’m saying if he waited till the end of the season to enter the transfer portal, he’s a great prospect. To do this now, COULD Be perceived as a great transfer prospect.. with some baggage. What does the new coach take on if he becomes “not happy” at the new school.
I am not sure why he would not just wait until the season is over and then enter the transfer portal other than to re-open his recruitment. I believe once a player enters his name in the portal, the coach can withdraw scholarship support for the next year even if the player decides to stay. Maybe, the player wants to make sure that scholarship money (if it is a factor) is not promised away by coaches that have an interest.

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:34 pm
by DALaxDad
wahoomurf, you having fun with that quote function?

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:00 pm
by wahoomurf
DALaxDad wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:34 pm wahoomurf, you having fun with that quote function?
No fun at all.Alas I cop to being a Luddite without a clue about editing and deleting posts. :?:

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:06 am
by HowieT3
Matnum PI wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:25 pm If 3 teams 2-2 in acc, what's the tie breaker? Goals against?
Tiebreakers:
1. Head-to-head results. Falls out in an "A beat B, B beat C, and C beat A" scenario.
2. Results against the highest seeded team not in the daisy chain. Duke beat us, the other three lost.
3. Goals allowed in conference games against the teams in the tie.
4. Goal differential in all conference games.
5. Blind draw.

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:50 am
by LordRaider
Quiet on the board- big game coming! The last quarter of UNC vs Orange is worth a watch. UNC is building something, they are just a step behind..

Casual UVA fan here, enjoying the trajectory of the team. I always watch the games and keep a eye out for Dziama and Herring, good Mass boys. I’m impressed with walk-one Kology and Peel, and having Conrad, Aiken, Moore, and Krause at the same time is amazing. Make a run now!

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:36 am
by MDlaxfan76
Boy, this is an exciting team to watch play.

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:24 pm
by Peter Brown
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:36 am Boy, this is an exciting team to watch play.
Might be exciting but they shouldn’t have come close to winning yesterday. Plus, Tiffany made the ultimate head scratcher move by inserting Burkinshaw at the half, only to see him let in every shot he faced in Q3. I don’t follow the Hoos, but you have to wonder what that change will do to this team going forward. I think it’s fair to say that Rode can have a bad game occasionally but he more often has great games. I didn’t think he was awful in the first half. Then Burkinshaw comes in and everything gets through. You have to think Tiffany starts Burkinshaw next weekend, which is a bad aura move for his squad, but what can he do now? He’s boxed himself in.

What saved UVA was a combination of FO wins, incredibly bad wing play from UNC, atrocious Q4 UNC offense (no dodging til 5 ticks left on the shot clock!), and some lucky bounces. I’m not sure the Heels had one legitimate shot in the Q4?

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:36 pm
by rasheed
How about some incredible playmaking and shots?

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:49 pm
by stupefied
Krauss, Aiken, Conrad, Laviano are a fearsome foursome. Another nice comeback. Been a cynic of Tiffany holistic babble but his 'system' has been adjusted. Noticed fewer turnovers , team has shown more consistency, discipline and teamwork this year. Legit

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:12 pm
by wahoomurf
LordRaider wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:50 am Quiet on the board- big game coming! The last quarter of UNC vs Orange is worth a watch. UNC is building something, they are just a step behind..

Casual UVA fan here, enjoying the trajectory of the team. I always watch the games and keep a eye out for Dziama and Herring, good Mass boys. I’m impressed with walk-one Kology and Peel, and having Conrad, Aiken, Moore, and Krause at the same time is amazing. Make a run now!
Bravo to both chaps.Not many young folks attend MASS on Sundays nor on Holy Days of Obligation. :o I say good on them.

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:20 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:24 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:36 am Boy, this is an exciting team to watch play.
Might be exciting but they shouldn’t have come close to winning yesterday. Plus, Tiffany made the ultimate head scratcher move by inserting Burkinshaw at the half, only to see him let in every shot he faced in Q3. I don’t follow the Hoos, but you have to wonder what that change will do to this team going forward. I think it’s fair to say that Rode can have a bad game occasionally but he more often has great games. I didn’t think he was awful in the first half. Then Burkinshaw comes in and everything gets through. You have to think Tiffany starts Burkinshaw next weekend, which is a bad aura move for his squad, but what can he do now? He’s boxed himself in.

What saved UVA was a combination of FO wins, incredibly bad wing play from UNC, atrocious Q4 UNC offense (no dodging til 5 ticks left on the shot clock!), and some lucky bounces. I’m not sure the Heels had one legitimate shot in the Q4?
I think the bigger 'head scratcher' might be this post.

First, UVA is fortunate to have excellent depth at the goal position.

Second, this is a team sport; no one owns a position or playing time.

Third, the stats don't line up with your comment.

Rode started hot, with the first 2 saves, but finished the quarter with 3S, 3GA. Good; 50%.
2nd Q, though he gave up 3 with 1 save. By contrast, UNC's tender made 6 saves that 2nd Q. So, 40% saves %.
And, after the hot start in the first few minutes, just 25% the rest of the half.

We don't know all the dynamics, the factors the coaches were considering, including whether Rode had a good week of practice or whether Burkinshaw had been sharper...we don't know. But the move was made.

UVA had a miserable 3rd Q in possessions, leading to Burkinshaw facing 14 shots, 9 SOG and giving up 5, saving 4. Hardly, "only to see him let in every shot he faced in Q3". In the 4th, Burkinshaw was 50% with 2 GA and 2 saves including the last one leading to UVA's final score to win.

Neither tender had a good day, Burkinshaw's was slightly better.

Burkinshaw is currently 60% on the season, Rode 49.1%. In the 14 games in which Rode has appeared this year, only 6 were above 50%. It's really hard to make the claim that he more often has great games.

Seems to me the coaches make these calls based upon their far more complete insight.

Last, I don't think this game boxes the coaches in at all; they'll go with whoever they think gives them the best chance and they'll make a switch midstream if they think whoever that is is not at the top of his game.

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:44 pm
by Peter Brown
I’m just going to (safely) assume you did not watch this game MDLax, and are idly speculating on some plucked and not meaningful stats. Not all goals or shots are equal. Your analysis is similar to an HR director awarding a bonus to the captain of the Titanic because the ship sank ‘fast’ because after all, ‘speed’ was part of his KPI grade.

If a UNC shot was halfway decent in the third quarter, it went in. Burkinshaw couldn’t get his stick on anything. End of half, 6-6. End of 3rd, 12-8 UNC. Meaning UNC put in the same number of goals in one quarter (v Burk) than the first two (v Rode).

Tiffany imo with this move just knocked down Rode’s confidence in a big way. He also elevated the guy who has indicated he’s blowing out after this year, which his teammates might have issues with. As the end of game whistle blew, UVA’s kids did not look ‘victorious’.

My sideline call: bad move. I said earlier this year Tiffany should have kept Burkinshaw as the starter after the Princeton game. He didn’t. He put Rode back in, leading Burkinshaw to put his name in the transfer portal. Like I said, Lars has boxed himself in here.

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:58 pm
by wahoomurf
Spent the weekend at the GEICO H.S. Lacrosse Showcase.Watched 12 guys who are committed to or hope to play for Lars in one or two years.Two superb sophomores a goalie from Darien and a super-fast middie from St.Anthony's are,according to the rumor mill,interested in UVA as well.

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:20 pm
by Peter Brown
wahoomurf wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:58 pm Spent the weekend at the GEICO H.S. Lacrosse Showcase.Watched 12 guys who are committed to or hope to play for Lars in one or two years.Two superb sophomores a goalie from Darien and a super-fast middie from St.Anthony's are,according to the rumor mill,interested in UVA as well.
Wahoomurf: I watched that St Anthony’s versus Darien game on ESPN with Bob Shriver on the call. It was so fun to see that! You’re lucky to live close enough to watch in person. The coach was interviewed afterward and seems like a class act. Both of them actually. I was particularly impressed by Bonomi from StA.

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:01 am
by blue angels
wahoomurf wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:58 pm Spent the weekend at the GEICO H.S. Lacrosse Showcase.Watched 12 guys who are committed to or hope to play for Lars in one or two years.Two superb sophomores a goalie from Darien and a super-fast middie from St.Anthony's are,according to the rumor mill,interested in UVA as well.
Heard our committed middies from Haverford and from Seton Hall Prep stood out. Any of our other commitments also get your attention?

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:50 am
by Cooter
blue angels wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:01 am
wahoomurf wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:58 pm Spent the weekend at the GEICO H.S. Lacrosse Showcase.Watched 12 guys who are committed to or hope to play for Lars in one or two years.Two superb sophomores a goalie from Darien and a super-fast middie from St.Anthony's are,according to the rumor mill,interested in UVA as well.
Heard our committed middies from Haverford and from Seton Hall Prep stood out. Any of our other commitments also get your attention?
The 3 Saturday Geico games and 2 of the Sunday games are still up on watchESPN

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:33 am
by wahoomurf
Cooter wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:50 am
blue angels wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:01 am
wahoomurf wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:58 pm Spent the weekend at the GEICO H.S. Lacrosse Showcase.Watched 12 guys who are committed to or hope to play for Lars in one or two years.Two superb sophomores a goalie from Darien and a super-fast middie from St.Anthony's are,according to the rumor mill,interested in UVA as well.
Heard our committed middies from Haverford and from Seton Hall Prep stood out. Any of our other commitments also get your attention?
The 3 Saturday Geico games and 2 of the Sunday games are still up on watchESPN
Garno (Haverford) and Kumar (SHP) are studs.Danny Parker(St.A's) is the kind of player every coach wants on their roster.The guy goes all out,every minute he's on the field. While he's versatile,IMO his best position could be SSM.Most important he's a leader! Naso and Walshe,both juniors at St.Anthony's,played very well.Naso was en fuego at the F.O. X .Walshe is a middie but often inverts when O'Neill goes up top.

All 5 will be welcome additions.

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:09 pm
by wahoomurf
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:20 pm
wahoomurf wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:58 pm Spent the weekend at the GEICO H.S. Lacrosse Showcase.Watched 12 guys who are committed to or hope to play for Lars in one or two years.Two superb sophomores a goalie from Darien and a super-fast middie from St.Anthony's are,according to the rumor mill,interested in UVA as well.
Wahoomurf: I watched that St Anthony’s versus Darien game on ESPN with Bob Shriver on the call. It was so fun to see that! You’re lucky to live close enough to watch in person. The coach was interviewed afterward and seems like a class act. Both of them actually. I was particularly impressed by Bonomi from StA.
The Wizzer is a terrific coach and the kind of man you'd love to have your kids play for. Braimer is the same blend of excellent coaching and teaching life's lessons.Two classy gentlemen.

Bonomi was extraordinary.Easily to MOP of the tournament.

On a personal note,it was fun to catch up with Shriver.I told him I'd be happy to give him a refresher course in "Newyawkspeak" if he'd give me one in "Ballmerease". Our first language exchange took place when he coached the under-19 team a few years back.

Speak it or lose it!

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:07 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:44 pm I’m just going to (safely) assume you did not watch this game MDLax, and are idly speculating on some plucked and not meaningful stats. Not all goals or shots are equal. Your analysis is similar to an HR director awarding a bonus to the captain of the Titanic because the ship sank ‘fast’ because after all, ‘speed’ was part of his KPI grade.

If a UNC shot was halfway decent in the third quarter, it went in. Burkinshaw couldn’t get his stick on anything. End of half, 6-6. End of 3rd, 12-8 UNC. Meaning UNC put in the same number of goals in one quarter (v Burk) than the first two (v Rode).

Tiffany imo with this move just knocked down Rode’s confidence in a big way. He also elevated the guy who has indicated he’s blowing out after this year, which his teammates might have issues with. As the end of game whistle blew, UVA’s kids did not look ‘victorious’.

My sideline call: bad move. I said earlier this year Tiffany should have kept Burkinshaw as the starter after the Princeton game. He didn’t. He put Rode back in, leading Burkinshaw to put his name in the transfer portal. Like I said, Lars has boxed himself in here.
Yes, I was at a HS game so missed it; anyone know where there's a replay?

But, I'm still not following your logic.

Are you saying that Rode was playing well???

Again, he was just 25% after the first couple of minutes.

I certainly didn't say Burkinshaw had a good game, but are you saying that his 4 saves in the 3rd Q versus 5 goals were all on bad shots?

On the argument that Burkinshaw gave up as many goals in the 3rd Q as Rode did in the first half, you do realize that he saw just one less shot in that Q than Rode did in his full half? UNC had the mo. They ran out of gas at the end and mo shifted, thank goodness.

I just don't see how you reach the conclusion that Tiffany's decision, likely with Kip Turner's input, was necessarily wrong. If Rode had been playing 50% ball, he continues. But he wasn't. And, on the other end, UNC's tender was hot. Tough call, sure, but one the coaches are paid to make.

Nor that it somehow dispirited the team, or even that it eroded Rode's "confidence".

That's highly speculative, and quite likely not correct on the team spirit.
For Alex, though, I have some empathy. However, this is the job for which tender's sign up. Buckle up and watch the ball in practice and be ready for the next game. Period.

I say that as a former D1 tender, son of a 3X AA goalie and dad of an all-Ivy goalie; It's rough, but that's the gig.
I'd be willing to bet that Alex will indeed 'buckle up' and be ready...to be the best he can.
And that Patrick will as well.

I'll be surprised if the Hoos go deep in the NCAA's this year, but, hey, who would have predicted this level of rebound in 2019?

Re: VIRGINIA Lacrosse

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:23 pm
by Peter Brown
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:07 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:44 pm I’m just going to (safely) assume you did not watch this game MDLax, and are idly speculating on some plucked and not meaningful stats. Not all goals or shots are equal. Your analysis is similar to an HR director awarding a bonus to the captain of the Titanic because the ship sank ‘fast’ because after all, ‘speed’ was part of his KPI grade.

If a UNC shot was halfway decent in the third quarter, it went in. Burkinshaw couldn’t get his stick on anything. End of half, 6-6. End of 3rd, 12-8 UNC. Meaning UNC put in the same number of goals in one quarter (v Burk) than the first two (v Rode).

Tiffany imo with this move just knocked down Rode’s confidence in a big way. He also elevated the guy who has indicated he’s blowing out after this year, which his teammates might have issues with. As the end of game whistle blew, UVA’s kids did not look ‘victorious’.

My sideline call: bad move. I said earlier this year Tiffany should have kept Burkinshaw as the starter after the Princeton game. He didn’t. He put Rode back in, leading Burkinshaw to put his name in the transfer portal. Like I said, Lars has boxed himself in here.
Yes, I was at a HS game so missed it; anyone know where there's a replay?

But, I'm still not following your logic.

Are you saying that Rode was playing well???

Again, he was just 25% after the first couple of minutes.

I certainly didn't say Burkinshaw had a good game, but are you saying that his 4 saves in the 3rd Q versus 5 goals were all on bad shots?

On the argument that Burkinshaw gave up as many goals in the 3rd Q as Rode did in the first half, you do realize that he saw just one less shot in that Q than Rode did in his full half? UNC had the mo. They ran out of gas at the end and mo shifted, thank goodness.

I just don't see how you reach the conclusion that Tiffany's decision, likely with Kip Turner's input, was necessarily wrong. If Rode had been playing 50% ball, he continues. But he wasn't. And, on the other end, UNC's tender was hot. Tough call, sure, but one the coaches are paid to make.

Nor that it somehow dispirited the team, or even that it eroded Rode's "confidence".

That's highly speculative, and quite likely not correct on the team spirit.
For Alex, though, I have some empathy. However, this is the job for which tender's sign up. Buckle up and watch the ball in practice and be ready for the next game. Period.

I say that as a former D1 tender, son of a 3X AA goalie and dad of an all-Ivy goalie; It's rough, but that's the gig.
I'd be willing to bet that Alex will indeed 'buckle up' and be ready...to be the best he can.
And that Patrick will as well.

I'll be surprised if the Hoos go deep in the NCAA's this year, but, hey, who would have predicted this level of rebound in 2019?

Believe it or not, I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Coaches ARE paid to make the hard decisions.

Lars should have kept the hot hand in after the Princeton game (Burkinshaw). Instead, he put him back on the bench. Rode surprisingly started the next game and played well enough from them on to not get benched again, obviously frustrating Burkinshaw (the old adage of 'who do I need to cough-cough around here to be the starter' comes to mind; the kid had 24 saves against a great offensive Princeton squad!).

I do think that goalie drama at UVA would have happened no matter what; both goalies should be starting on a college team and both have years left to play. But, and this is key, Burkinshaw made the bigger mistake by placing his name in the transfer portal; that's a red line for most teammates and one that as a coach, you might not want to cross if you want your team to gel.

Lars risked team unity by putting Burkinshaw back in. You are correct; I do not know all the variables. But my gut tells me Lars made mistakes here, both after Princeton and this weekend versus UNC. We will see how it plays out...I hope for both kids' sake, there's a great outcome, though not at the expense of a much better Loyola squad! ;)