Cooter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:23 am
Of course then Americans will have to deal with having a president of rather moderate intellect, who appears to be going senile, and at 78 doesn't look to have the physical vitality needed for the job.
Further, it is apparent that a lot of Biden's votes came from voters who hated Trump, who did not particularly support Biden.
Correct. For many Americans, one could even argue the vast majority who voted for Joe, this was an election about removing Trump. Mission accomplished. And Joe may be much sharper than you and others are giving him credit for. If nothing else, he doesn't have a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And that is not small.
What makes you think Biden doesn't have a Narcissistic Personality disorder? I see most of the symptoms there.
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:39 am
Joe Biden will be the President-Elect within several hours.
DocBarrister
It appears so.
Of course then Americans will have to deal with having a president of rather moderate intellect, who appears to be going senile, and at 78 doesn't look to have the physical vitality needed for the job.
Further, it is apparent that a lot of Biden's votes came from voters who hated Trump, who did not particularly support Biden.
As long as they keep Joe jacked up with Haldol he will be just fine...
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Bob Ross:
holmes435 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:28 am
McConnell will obstruct everything for 2 years, then blame the Democrats in order to try to flip the House in 2022. If they run a lot of women, it could happen. Democrats have a branding and marketing issue they really need to wrangle in. They really need to copy some of the GOP tactics and start playing hardball at some point.
What the heck would you expect Mitch to do? You want him to agree with a FLP agenda? If he was not obstructing the FLP agenda he would not be doing his job. On the flip side of the coin you would not expect a FLP majority to compromise with the right wing. That is why elections have consequences. To the winner goes the spoils. You remember way back when when in the Reagan era? That is when Ronnie and Tip learned to compromise. They both understood they would never get everything they wanted. They both got what they could.
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DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:39 am
Joe Biden will be the President-Elect within several hours.
DocBarrister
Too bad he won't have the senate. This is the best outcome the republicans could have ever asked for. This is the best outcome America could ever have asked for. What is Joes plan now that he has been punched in the face? The democrats are losing the one thing they had to have... 100% control of the government.
Still a chance in the Senate with both GA senate races going to runoffs, and the current occupants not exactly the best people. Quite the longshot, but there is going to be a lot of attention on these races in a state that is going to be a squeaker for Biden. And a sh!tload of money.
All about the participation in a runoff...
Perdue is really weak, but so is Ossof and the nature of the three way on the other seat just leaves me struggling to believe they take both. Put odds it's equally likely both stay Rep though a split seems most likely to me from boots on the ground here. Live in a "hippy" neighborhood but expensive so not really hippies (which to their credit they'd acknowledge when buy in on a 1,400sq. ft. A Frame is north of $500k and they send their kids to a nearby private school called Padaiea) but surrounded even in the city by plenty of strident Reps, even ones who would tell you they aren't proud of their leadership but arent yet ready to break ranks out of fear of a Warren Sec of Treasury or Sanders running the Dept of Labor.
Cooter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:23 am
Of course then Americans will have to deal with having a president of rather moderate intellect, who appears to be going senile, and at 78 doesn't look to have the physical vitality needed for the job.
Further, it is apparent that a lot of Biden's votes came from voters who hated Trump, who did not particularly support Biden.
Correct. For many Americans, one could even argue the vast majority who voted for Joe, this was an election about removing Trump. Mission accomplished. And Joe may be much sharper than you and others are giving him credit for. If nothing else, he doesn't have a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And that is not small.
He is sharper than the FoxNews/OAN/Trumpist view. I saw him in person at an event around a year ago here in SC, and he was perfectly cogent, and answered some unscripted questions that were quite challenging from the audience without hesitation, and showing intelligence and thoughtfulness. Late afternoon event as well after many previous stops in the day as well, so no signs of sundowning or anything like that.
Speaking of SC, how did Lindsey Grahm hold it down even though the other guy had more money than a love child created by Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk if they got down? Almost worse than the handicapped predator in Asheville who's so young he doesn't know what he doesn't know winning in NC.
Cooter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:47 am
What makes you think Biden doesn't have a Narcissistic Personality disorder? I see most of the symptoms there.
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:39 am
Joe Biden will be the President-Elect within several hours.
DocBarrister
Too bad he won't have the senate. This is the best outcome the republicans could have ever asked for. This is the best outcome America could ever have asked for. What is Joes plan now that he has been punched in the face? The democrats are losing the one thing they had to have... 100% control of the government.
Still a chance in the Senate with both GA senate races going to runoffs, and the current occupants not exactly the best people. Quite the longshot, but there is going to be a lot of attention on these races in a state that is going to be a squeaker for Biden. And a sh!tload of money.
All about the participation in a runoff...
Perdue is really weak, but so is Ossof and the nature of the three way on the other seat just leaves me struggling to believe they take both. Put odds it's equally likely both stay Rep though a split seems most likely to me from boots on the ground here. Live in a "hippy" neighborhood but expensive so not really hippies (which to their credit they'd acknowledge when buy in on a 1,400sq. ft. A Frame is north of $500k and they send their kids to a nearby private school called Padaiea) but surrounded even in the city by plenty of strident Reps, even ones who would tell you they aren't proud of their leadership but arent yet ready to break ranks out of fear of a Warren Sec of Treasury or Sanders running the Dept of Labor.
Holy moly, a 1400 square foot A frame is worth 500K? We must be doing something wrong here in Upstate NY.
We don't make mistakes, we have happy accidents.
Bob Ross:
Cooter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:47 am
What makes you think Biden doesn't have a Narcissistic Personality disorder? I see most of the symptoms there.
I do not. What symptoms do you see?...
I only went through 4 of the list of 7 and had them checked them positive, so I stopped there.
Keep in mind, there's a big different between being a narcissist and having a Narcissisitic Personality Disorder. Lots of people are narcissists. We all are to some extent. But having a NPD is a very different animal.
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:18 am
Symptoms like...
Keep in mind, there's a big different between being a narcissist and having a Narcissisitic Personality Disorder. Lots of people are narcissists. We all are to some extent. But having a NPD is a very different animal.
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:39 am
Joe Biden will be the President-Elect within several hours.
DocBarrister
Too bad he won't have the senate. This is the best outcome the republicans could have ever asked for. This is the best outcome America could ever have asked for. What is Joes plan now that he has been punched in the face? The democrats are losing the one thing they had to have... 100% control of the government.
Still a chance in the Senate with both GA senate races going to runoffs, and the current occupants not exactly the best people. Quite the longshot, but there is going to be a lot of attention on these races in a state that is going to be a squeaker for Biden. And a sh!tload of money.
All about the participation in a runoff...
Perdue is really weak, but so is Ossof and the nature of the three way on the other seat just leaves me struggling to believe they take both. Put odds it's equally likely both stay Rep though a split seems most likely to me from boots on the ground here. Live in a "hippy" neighborhood but expensive so not really hippies (which to their credit they'd acknowledge when buy in on a 1,400sq. ft. A Frame is north of $500k and they send their kids to a nearby private school called Padaiea) but surrounded even in the city by plenty of strident Reps, even ones who would tell you they aren't proud of their leadership but arent yet ready to break ranks out of fear of a Warren Sec of Treasury or Sanders running the Dept of Labor.
far, I'm not up to speed on Ossoff, have only caught him on friendly media and various clips of his debate with Perdue.
What makes Ossoff really weak? serious question, no issue.
I'm wondering what a Stacy Abrams registration and turnout machine does over next 2 months versus a no-Trump turnout machine. What will be the impact of Trump's whining and flailing as he contests the results of the election? What will be the impact of Biden announcing a moderate set of cabinet picks? And what impact will Covid's continued spread be on perceptions of Perdue and Loeffler?
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:18 am
Symptoms like...
Keep in mind, there's a big different between being a narcissist and having a Narcissisitic Personality Disorder. Lots of people are narcissists. We all are to some extent. But having a NPD is a very different animal.
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:39 am
Joe Biden will be the President-Elect within several hours.
DocBarrister
Too bad he won't have the senate. This is the best outcome the republicans could have ever asked for. This is the best outcome America could ever have asked for. What is Joes plan now that he has been punched in the face? The democrats are losing the one thing they had to have... 100% control of the government.
Still a chance in the Senate with both GA senate races going to runoffs, and the current occupants not exactly the best people. Quite the longshot, but there is going to be a lot of attention on these races in a state that is going to be a squeaker for Biden. And a sh!tload of money.
All about the participation in a runoff...
Perdue is really weak, but so is Ossof and the nature of the three way on the other seat just leaves me struggling to believe they take both. Put odds it's equally likely both stay Rep though a split seems most likely to me from boots on the ground here. Live in a "hippy" neighborhood but expensive so not really hippies (which to their credit they'd acknowledge when buy in on a 1,400sq. ft. A Frame is north of $500k and they send their kids to a nearby private school called Padaiea) but surrounded even in the city by plenty of strident Reps, even ones who would tell you they aren't proud of their leadership but arent yet ready to break ranks out of fear of a Warren Sec of Treasury or Sanders running the Dept of Labor.
Holy moly, a 1400 square foot A frame is worth 500K? We must be doing something wrong here in Upstate NY.
Yeah everyone is moving away from your area Cradle. You need net positive population growth and accomodative local taxes (not state, we're talking Binghamton having a tax rate that amounts to 4-5% of assessed value as the local gov't hasn't right sized the infrastructure appropriately over the past our decades to cater to an aging Italian, Irish and Laotion population) which most of Upstate NY doesn't have. That's not a state problem thats a local politcs problem.
When I bought our house in 2013, we paid $530k for a 2,370sq. ft. which was what it sold for in 2008 (buyers had to move to Washington as husband took a gig with the Gates Foundation). Built in 1911, last major work (expansion of 2nd story) done in early 2000's. Zillow talks low $700s, reality is more like $800k or a bit above. Since we bought and were maybe the 3rd biggest house on the block a couple of folks have blown out their homes, tear downs can't happen in this neighborhood really so we're middle of the pack. Top 3 elementary school within Atlanta Public Schools which is a huge deal and cross over a border so pay lower Dekalb Co taxes (all in nut is like $10k on a $660k assessed).
Meanwhile back in Binghamton anything under $125k flies off the shelf but you can't sell a home above $250k so my mom's 1,600ft ranch on the south side will go fast at a bit less than a $100K (bought in 1989 for $72k). Taxes are a joke, she paid over $3k last few years on a $80k assessed value. A good friend who went to community college and worked his way into management at a local, but good sized credit union formerly tied to state employees just bought a retirement dream home near Rec park for $280k (mortage subsidized by his employer). The prior owner bought it early the prior decade or end of 2000s for $290 and put over $85k into remodeling and can't get any of that back, the house sat for more than six months. That's what's going on across upstate NY. Plus it's cold as balls.
This is what cheap mortgage money will do as those one story old a frams were high 3s 5-7yrs ago but the carry isn't bad on sub 4% mortgage debt.
Cooter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:24 am
It seems as strong in Biden as it does in Trump.
If Biden lost the election, do you think Biden would hold a press conference saying that he won and the Republicans are trying to steal away his victory?... With his NPD, Trump cannot even fathom not winning, not being the best... at everything. When he says, he knows more than the generals, he knows more than the scientists, etc., he 100% believes this. because of his personality disorder. strange, unbelievable, but real. Joe has a big ego. heck, anyone who thinks that they should be the POTUS does. but this is very different than a NPD.
Cooter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:24 am
It seems as strong in Biden as it does in Trump.
If Biden lost the election, do you think Biden would hold a press conference saying that he won and the Republicans are trying to steal away his victory?... With his NPD, Trump cannot even fathom not winning, not being the best... at everything. When he says, he knows more than the generals, he knows more than the scientists, etc., he 100% believes this. because of his personality disorder. strange, unbelievable, but real. Joe has a big ego. heck, anyone who thinks that they should be the POTUS does. but this is very different than a NPD.
The ego thing is it. You cannot run successfully if you don't have a certain amount of it.
But there is NO evidence of NPD in Biden. Look at what is happening now - the major networks are not calling yet - even though if you had these numbers on the night of the election they would have.
And the Biden camp (plus Joe himself)? Quietly expressing confidence in the system, and that they believe they will end up with the votes.
Nothing like someone who really has the disorder would behave, like OD. You just don't see the kinds of behavior that goes along with the disorder from Joe.
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:39 am
Joe Biden will be the President-Elect within several hours.
DocBarrister
It appears so.
Of course then Americans will have to deal with having a president of rather moderate intellect, who appears to be going senile, and at 78 doesn't look to have the physical vitality needed for the job.
Further, it is apparent that a lot of Biden's votes came from voters who hated Trump, who did not particularly support Biden.
And you think Biden will be worse than Trump?
Trump, the guy who speaks at a 5th grade level, spells like a 4th grader, and has the temperament of a toddler? Plus, physically, Trump is a walking stroke.
Anyway, Kamala Harris would make a fine president if something happened to Biden (heaven forbid).
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:39 am
Joe Biden will be the President-Elect within several hours.
DocBarrister
Glad to see that you can actually be positive about SOMETHING. It's not healthy to be as hateful as you have been. I'll be watching to see just how many diatribes you can come up with now that "your man" is president
