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Well, you did end up with the girl. :)

Sounds like one of Frank Rizzo’s finest helped you out.
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I believe we all pretty much knew this already...nice of TWP to actually write about it.
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From Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman

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After old salt and others disgraced this forum by insulting and attacking Lt. Col. Vindman, I thought the least that could be done was to post an excerpt from Vindman’s Washington Post article:

A year ago, having served the nation in uniform in positions of critical importance, I was on the cusp of a career-topping promotion to colonel. A year ago, unknown to me, my concerns over the president’s conduct and the president’s efforts to undermine the very foundations of our democracy were precipitating tremors that would ultimately shake loose the facade of good governance and publicly expose the corruption of the Trump administration.

At no point in my career or life have I felt our nation’s values under greater threat and in more peril than at this moment. Our national government during the past few years has been more reminiscent of the authoritarian regime my family fled more than 40 years ago than the country I have devoted my life to serving.

... Even as I experience the low of ending my military career, I have also experienced the loving support of tens of thousands of Americans. Theirs is a chorus of hope that drowns out the spurious attacks of a disreputable man and his sycophants.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... Fstory-ans

Frankly, it’s despicable that so many here seem to worship and admire Vladimir Putin and the kind of authoritarian regime that Vindman and his family despises.

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Re: From Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman

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DocBarrister wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:25 pm After old salt and others disgraced this forum by insulting and attacking Lt. Col. Vindman, I thought the least that could be done was to post an excerpt from Vindman’s Washington Post article:

A year ago, having served the nation in uniform in positions of critical importance, I was on the cusp of a career-topping promotion to colonel. A year ago, unknown to me, my concerns over the president’s conduct and the president’s efforts to undermine the very foundations of our democracy were precipitating tremors that would ultimately shake loose the facade of good governance and publicly expose the corruption of the Trump administration.

At no point in my career or life have I felt our nation’s values under greater threat and in more peril than at this moment. Our national government during the past few years has been more reminiscent of the authoritarian regime my family fled more than 40 years ago than the country I have devoted my life to serving.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... Fstory-ans

Frankly, it’s despicable that so many here seem to worship and admire Vladimir Putin and the kind of authoritarian regime that Vindman and his family despises.

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BS. He was on the promotion list that came out of DoD. He didn't have the guts to stay in & call Trump's bluff to block his promotion.
Had he stayed in & gone to the War College, as he was programmed for, he would have made Colonel & been able to serve for 30 years.
Because he was a specialist who never held operational command, his chances for flag rank were minimal anyway.
He's getting out to cash in. Nobody up the chain of command would ever have trusted him again.
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Re: From Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman

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old salt wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:39 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:25 pm After old salt and others disgraced this forum by insulting and attacking Lt. Col. Vindman, I thought the least that could be done was to post an excerpt from Vindman’s Washington Post article:

A year ago, having served the nation in uniform in positions of critical importance, I was on the cusp of a career-topping promotion to colonel. A year ago, unknown to me, my concerns over the president’s conduct and the president’s efforts to undermine the very foundations of our democracy were precipitating tremors that would ultimately shake loose the facade of good governance and publicly expose the corruption of the Trump administration.

At no point in my career or life have I felt our nation’s values under greater threat and in more peril than at this moment. Our national government during the past few years has been more reminiscent of the authoritarian regime my family fled more than 40 years ago than the country I have devoted my life to serving.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... Fstory-ans

Frankly, it’s despicable that so many here seem to worship and admire Vladimir Putin and the kind of authoritarian regime that Vindman and his family despises.

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BS. He was on the promotion list that came out of DoD. He didn't have the guts to stay in & call Trump's bluff to block his promotion.
Had he stayed in & gone to the War College, as he was programmed for, he would have made Colonel & been able to serve for 30 years.
Because he was a specialist who never held operational command, his chances for flag rank were minimal anyway.
He's getting out to cash in. Nobody up the chain of command would ever have trusted him again.
Your continued attacks on a true American Patriot are simply disgraceful.

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Re: From Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman

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old salt wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:39 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:25 pm After old salt and others disgraced this forum by insulting and attacking Lt. Col. Vindman, I thought the least that could be done was to post an excerpt from Vindman’s Washington Post article:

A year ago, having served the nation in uniform in positions of critical importance, I was on the cusp of a career-topping promotion to colonel. A year ago, unknown to me, my concerns over the president’s conduct and the president’s efforts to undermine the very foundations of our democracy were precipitating tremors that would ultimately shake loose the facade of good governance and publicly expose the corruption of the Trump administration.

At no point in my career or life have I felt our nation’s values under greater threat and in more peril than at this moment. Our national government during the past few years has been more reminiscent of the authoritarian regime my family fled more than 40 years ago than the country I have devoted my life to serving.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... Fstory-ans

Frankly, it’s despicable that so many here seem to worship and admire Vladimir Putin and the kind of authoritarian regime that Vindman and his family despises.

DocBarrister
BS. He was on the promotion list that came out of DoD. He didn't have the guts to stay in & call Trump's bluff to block his promotion.
Had he stayed in & gone to the War College, as he was programmed for, he would have made Colonel & been able to serve for 30 years.
Because he was a specialist who never held operational command, his chances for flag rank were minimal anyway.
He's getting out to cash in. Nobody up the chain of command would ever have trusted him again.
It would have never been trusted....so he had no other realistic option?
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Re: From Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:47 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:39 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:25 pm After old salt and others disgraced this forum by insulting and attacking Lt. Col. Vindman, I thought the least that could be done was to post an excerpt from Vindman’s Washington Post article:

A year ago, having served the nation in uniform in positions of critical importance, I was on the cusp of a career-topping promotion to colonel. A year ago, unknown to me, my concerns over the president’s conduct and the president’s efforts to undermine the very foundations of our democracy were precipitating tremors that would ultimately shake loose the facade of good governance and publicly expose the corruption of the Trump administration.

At no point in my career or life have I felt our nation’s values under greater threat and in more peril than at this moment. Our national government during the past few years has been more reminiscent of the authoritarian regime my family fled more than 40 years ago than the country I have devoted my life to serving.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... Fstory-ans

Frankly, it’s despicable that so many here seem to worship and admire Vladimir Putin and the kind of authoritarian regime that Vindman and his family despises.

DocBarrister
BS. He was on the promotion list that came out of DoD. He didn't have the guts to stay in & call Trump's bluff to block his promotion.
Had he stayed in & gone to the War College, as he was programmed for, he would have made Colonel & been able to serve for 30 years.
Because he was a specialist who never held operational command, his chances for flag rank were minimal anyway.
He's getting out to cash in. Nobody up the chain of command would ever have trusted him again.
It would have never been trusted....so he had no other realistic option?
As a specialist, he would never have had a better job than the one he had on the NSC. He would have been a terminal 0-6 (Colonel), teaching at War Colleges, bouncing between staff jobs (DoD, NATO, EUCOM) & 0-6 military attache assignments. He would have retired to be a contractor or think tank consultant. An unknown. Now he's a celebrity martyr. Good career move on his part to be a leaker & whistleblower.
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Re: From Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman

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old salt wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:56 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:47 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:39 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:25 pm After old salt and others disgraced this forum by insulting and attacking Lt. Col. Vindman, I thought the least that could be done was to post an excerpt from Vindman’s Washington Post article:

A year ago, having served the nation in uniform in positions of critical importance, I was on the cusp of a career-topping promotion to colonel. A year ago, unknown to me, my concerns over the president’s conduct and the president’s efforts to undermine the very foundations of our democracy were precipitating tremors that would ultimately shake loose the facade of good governance and publicly expose the corruption of the Trump administration.

At no point in my career or life have I felt our nation’s values under greater threat and in more peril than at this moment. Our national government during the past few years has been more reminiscent of the authoritarian regime my family fled more than 40 years ago than the country I have devoted my life to serving.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... Fstory-ans

Frankly, it’s despicable that so many here seem to worship and admire Vladimir Putin and the kind of authoritarian regime that Vindman and his family despises.

DocBarrister
BS. He was on the promotion list that came out of DoD. He didn't have the guts to stay in & call Trump's bluff to block his promotion.
Had he stayed in & gone to the War College, as he was programmed for, he would have made Colonel & been able to serve for 30 years.
Because he was a specialist who never held operational command, his chances for flag rank were minimal anyway.
He's getting out to cash in. Nobody up the chain of command would ever have trusted him again.
It would have never been trusted....so he had no other realistic option?
As a specialist, he would never have had a better job than the one he had on the NSC. He would have been a terminal 0-6 (Colonel), teaching at War Colleges, bouncing between staff jobs (DoD, NATO, EUCOM) & 0-6 military attache assignments. He would have retired to be a contractor or think tank consultant. An unknown. Now he's a celebrity martyr. Good career move on his part to be a leaker & whistleblower.
Best of luck to him and his family. Hopefully he makes a lot of money and sets his family up.
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Here's a good explainer on our shift from permanently stationing military units overseas, to rotating deployments of US based forces, as it's being implemented in our drawdown from Germany (if it happens). It's similar to changes in our force structure in S Korea.
https://www.airforcemag.com/u-s-to-end- ... m-germany/

U.S. European Command is broadly restructuring to better address the needs of the National Defense Strategy, which focuses on advanced military adversaries like Russia and China rather than insurgents in the Middle East. Major changes are also envisioned for the U.S. Army in Europe, including moving the 4,500-member 2nd Calvary Regiment home to the U.S., rotating Stryker units to the Black Sea region, and basing a lead element of the Army’s V Corps in Poland.

Esper said the strategic goal is to move away from permanent basing in favor of “dynamic force employment,” enabling the military to proactively move troops as missions demand. DOD is also rethinking its brick-and-mortar infrastructure amid fears that permanent bases could be vulnerable to attack. This line of thinking is the same as the Air Force’s bomber deployments that have become prevalent in the Pacific.

“The deployment of rotational forces from the United States we have observed whether it’s the BCTs going from the United States to Korea, to Poland, or the bomber task force, we’re finding that they are deploying at a much higher level of readiness,” Esper said. “And while they are deployed, they are able to sustain a much more fixed focus on their mission and their capabilities.”

Wolters said EUCOM aims to rotate units “in perpetuity in multiple locations.” He said “the flexibility that this affords us certainly complicates a potential enemy against us, and it dramatically improves our operational capability to more effectively deter and defend.”

The Air Force is investing to improve other bases across the region, including facilities in Poland, Estonia, and Romania.

But plans accelerated after President Donald J. Trump said in June he intended to pull U.S. forces from Germany because that nation had failed to invest enough of its own money in defense. Pentagon leaders on July 29 sought to highlight the strategic goals of the moves, but Trump said the impetus is largely to punish Berlin.

“Germany’s delinquent, they haven’t paid their fees, they haven’t paid their NATO fees,” he said, referring to NATO’s stated goal for member nations to spend 2 percent of their gross domestic product on defense. “They’re way off, and they’ve been off for years and they have no intention of paying it. And the United States has been taken advantage of on trade, and on military, and on everything else for many years,” the president said. “Germany owes billions and billions of dollars to NATO, and why would we keep all of our troops there?”

In addition to moving the F-16s, EUCOM will relocate its own headquarters from Stuttgart, Germany, to Belgium, where NATO has its headquarters. U.S. Africa Command will also move out of Stuttgart, though its ultimate destination is yet to be determined, Wolters said.

The White House approved the reorganization in June, and Pentagon officials began briefing Congress last week. Affected allied nations and NATO leaders were notified in the past few days, Esper said.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said in a statement that U.S. consultations with allies ahead of the announcement “underlines the continued commitment by the United States to NATO and to European security.”

But in Washington, members of Congress from both parties criticized the decision. Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who offered a failed amendment to the 2021 defense policy bill that would have blocked such a move, called the plan a “grave error.”

“It is a slap in the face at a friend and ally when we should instead be drawing closer in our mutual commitment to deter Russian and Chinese aggression,” Romney said in a statement.

Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, criticized the administration for failing to be more consultative in drafting the plan.

“Not only does the plan fail to consider major logistical issues, questions about deterrence and implementation of the National Defense Strategy, and concerns about implications for U.S. efforts in Africa and elsewhere, but also it will almost certainly result in significant costs to the Department,” he said in a statement.

Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, was more supportive. He said on Twitter that the Pentagon’s plan is consistent with his view that the Pentagon needs to “maintain a strong forward presence, sustain force projection, and take care of our military families.”
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Hey, half of Beirut just blew up.

Taking bets on first Fanlax Dem to blame Trump?
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Fireworks factory....

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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:56 pm Hey, half of Beirut just blew up.

Taking bets on first Fanlax Dem to blame Trump?
Are you kidding? This is obviously the result of cities run by the Democrats.

And unless over 150K people died? More people die from the flu, so who the F cares, right?
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a fan wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:02 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:56 pm Hey, half of Beirut just blew up.

Taking bets on first Fanlax Dem to blame Trump?
Are you kidding? This is obviously the result of cities run by the Democrats.

And unless over 150K people died? More people die from the flu, so who the F cares, right?


I'd pull back on the Covid hysteria throttle somewhat and instead study these death numbers to get perspective:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... ll-causes/

Covid death's are coming down. Therapies are working. Each stage of the disease now has a primary drug to counteract the effects. Vaccines are coming shortly.

What will you talk about when the end of Covid becomes clear to people like yourself?
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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:24 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:02 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:56 pm Hey, half of Beirut just blew up.

Taking bets on first Fanlax Dem to blame Trump?
Are you kidding? This is obviously the result of cities run by the Democrats.

And unless over 150K people died? More people die from the flu, so who the F cares, right?


I'd pull back on the Covid hysteria throttle somewhat and instead study these death numbers to get perspective:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... ll-causes/

Covid death's are coming down. Therapies are working. Each stage of the disease now has a primary drug to counteract the effects. Vaccines are coming shortly.

What will you talk about when the end of Covid becomes clear to people like yourself?
How about when we get our deaths per day per 100k pop, rolling 7 day average, down to levels like South Korea, Germany etc?

Maybe then we'll say, ok, things look under control now.

Until then, we're just the international equivalent of idiots in a trailer park with a rusted car up on blocks, drinking some rot gut hooch and shouting 'merican-ceptionalism'...
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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:24 pm I'd pull back on the Covid hysteria throttle somewhat and instead study these death numbers to get perspective
What are you talking about? You win! I don't care when 150K of my fellow Americans die from a virus.

So I REALLY don't care about Beirut. Like not. at. all.

I'll give you this much, Pete. It's soooo much easier to go through life not caring about anyone but yourself. Tip of the hat for figuring that out!
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a fan wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:47 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:24 pm I'd pull back on the Covid hysteria throttle somewhat and instead study these death numbers to get perspective
What are you talking about? You win! I don't care when 150K of my fellow Americans die from a virus.

So I REALLY don't care about Beirut. Like not. at. all.

I'll give you this much, Pete. It's soooo much easier to go through life not caring about anyone but yourself. Tip of the hat for figuring that out!


Have you offered similar public displays of 'care and compassion' for the 650,000 Americans who die of heart disease every year? Heart disease doesn't excite the woke universe as much as Covid, but surely anything that much larger would generate some posts, correct?
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Peter Brown wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:46 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:47 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:24 pm I'd pull back on the Covid hysteria throttle somewhat and instead study these death numbers to get perspective
What are you talking about? You win! I don't care when 150K of my fellow Americans die from a virus.

So I REALLY don't care about Beirut. Like not. at. all.

I'll give you this much, Pete. It's soooo much easier to go through life not caring about anyone but yourself. Tip of the hat for figuring that out!


Have you offered similar public displays of 'care and compassion' for the 650,000 Americans who die of heart disease every year? Heart disease doesn't excite the woke universe as much as Covid, but surely anything that much larger would generate some posts, correct?
The guy doesn't even understand why this retort to a fan's post is a bottomless pit of stupid. Just remarkable.
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