January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

[Kismet]

Evidentially, the fifth means full on guilt. Opening his mouth is what got him in trouble the first time. He learned his lesson.

I think both of us need to get to work. But I'll say this: what was/were the question or questions to which he invoked the Fifth?

Oh...I agree with you, it should be rather easy to answer those, but in today's society and with Flynn speaking rather openly on youtube and podcasts, he knows damned well he said some things that could further his legal pain. "That which does not leave your lips, can not come back to bite you in the ass".

IMHO he is still the Benedict Arnold of his times. Still essentially fomenting insurrection every effing day.

There's a reason the was fired as director of DIA.

Another Orange Fatso lawyer, Jenna Ellis flipped today pleading guilty to one felony count of aiding and abetting false statements and will cooperate with Fulton County prosecutors. In addition, she gets five years of probation, pays $5,000 in restitution and perform 100 hours of community service. Ellis reportedly has implicated former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani in her plea deal by admitting that she aided and abetted the former mayor’s “false statements” to Georgia lawmakers at a December 2020 hearing, where they both peddled baseless voter fraud claims.

[Typical Lax Dad]

How weak is it to drag war & military service into this issue or for afan to take a shot at USNA because he disagrees with me.

Then stop gaslighting us, and respect your fellow posts enough to make honest posts if you don't want this response.

You know perfectly well that a felony conviction is a felony conviction, and that an American's party affiliation has nothing to do with it.

...that's a joke, right ?

FTR -- Mike Flynn was not convicted of anything.

Flynn was convicted of the crime he committed - lying to the Feds. YOUR people tried to weasel his sentencing and then pardoned him.
What many of us still want to know is why he was so evasive in the first place.

https://www.cato.org/blog/two-things-ne ... flynn-case

Flynn has not yet been formally convicted of that crime because the conviction does not technically happen until the sentence is pronounced.

“In the 1833 case of United States v. Wilson, the Supreme Court ruled that a pardon could be rejected by the convict. Due to the findings in the 1925 case, Burdick v. United States, it seems as though accepting a pardon is, in fact, admitting guilt. In Burdick the appellant was offered a pardon but declined it, also refusing to testify in criminal court. The opinion of the case given by the justices seemed to uncover that 1) a pardon can be given before a conviction and sentence; 2) a pardon can be refused, and 3) acceptance of a pardon implies acceptance of guilt. ”

https://courtmartiallaw.com/military-la ... mit-guilt/

So Old Salt stating an opinion as a fact is wrong….again?

Wrong. That cite is re. Military Courts-Martial proceedings & says "seems/seemed".

“Seems” like you are wrong again.

Flynn is not a "convicted felon". DoJ withdrew the charges. He was pardoned before he was sentenced.

https://www.courthousenews.com/sweeping ... e-charges/

It seems like “innocent” people get sentenced then….

In this situation, he plead guilty twice to a felony.

The pardon covered not only that felony, but also others which might be found during the Mueller prosecution. Guilty. But pardoned by Trump.

Judge Sullivan told Flynn: "You sold your country out".
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/18/judge-t ... aring.html

Scroll to 31:25:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhRNDsLbOvQ

Enough about this criminal and fanatic.

“IF you have an ounce of salt”….. ironic.

So why wasn't Flynn indicted ? Is it now a crime to cite the 5th Amendment at a Congressional show trial fishing expedition ?

Take it up with the guy that said “no Military Officer on the face of the Earth with an Ounce of Salt wouldn’t answer that question”…… the military caucus on the forum disagreed…..those questions at 31:25 shouldn’t be answered…..

[Typical Lax Dad]

Evidentially, the fifth means full on guilt. Opening his mouth is what got him in trouble the first time. He learned his lesson.

I think both of us need to get to work. But I'll say this: what was/were the question or questions to which he invoked the Fifth?

Oh...I agree with you, it should be rather easy to answer those, but in today's society and with Flynn speaking rather openly on youtube and podcasts, he knows damned well he said some things that could further his legal pain. "That which does not leave your lips, can not come back to bite you in the ass".

IMHO he is still the Benedict Arnold of his times. Still essentially fomenting insurrection every effing day.

There's a reason the was fired as director of DIA.

The deep state didn’t like him.

[Seacoaster(1)]

Evidentially, the fifth means full on guilt. Opening his mouth is what got him in trouble the first time. He learned his lesson.

I think both of us need to get to work. But I'll say this: what was/were the question or questions to which he invoked the Fifth?

Oh...I agree with you, it should be rather easy to answer those, but in today's society and with Flynn speaking rather openly on youtube and podcasts, he knows damned well he said some things that could further his legal pain. "That which does not leave your lips, can not come back to bite you in the ass".

IMHO he is still the Benedict Arnold of his times. Still essentially fomenting insurrection every effing day.

There's a reason the was fired as director of DIA.

The deep state didn’t like him.

Barack, First of His Name, Lord of the Deep State, ordered his minions to take Mike down. Can we put Mike on his own thread so OS can post his panegyrics there?

[Typical Lax Dad]

She was tricked into pleading guilty and reading this “hostage” statement.

[Farfromgeneva]

a fan wrote
Sigh. Most who view this have no F'ing clue where you went to school...

Not so sure about that. I think there's a huge percent of fanlax members who don't even know where the water cooler is, most hang out and comment exclusively in the lacrosse section. Of the half dozen or so who like to argue...oops, I mean discuss the issues over here ad nauseum, every one of them know salty was commissioned when he graduated from USNA.

It’s inconceivable to me that any one here would not know. Worst kept secret ever. Is being from St Louis classified too?

Not even sure why it an issue.

Because it’s misdirection by someone behaving alley in bad faith around these parts. That’s why.

[Farfromgeneva]

How weak is it to drag war & military service into this issue or for afan to take a shot at USNA because he disagrees with me.

Then stop gaslighting us, and respect your fellow posts enough to make honest posts if you don't want this response.

You know perfectly well that a felony conviction is a felony conviction, and that an American's party affiliation has nothing to do with it.

...that's a joke, right ?

FTR -- Mike Flynn was not convicted of anything.

Flynn was convicted of the crime he committed - lying to the Feds. YOUR people tried to weasel his sentencing and then pardoned him.
What many of us still want to know is why he was so evasive in the first place.

https://www.cato.org/blog/two-things-ne ... flynn-case

Flynn has not yet been formally convicted of that crime because the conviction does not technically happen until the sentence is pronounced.

“In the 1833 case of United States v. Wilson, the Supreme Court ruled that a pardon could be rejected by the convict. Due to the findings in the 1925 case, Burdick v. United States, it seems as though accepting a pardon is, in fact, admitting guilt. In Burdick the appellant was offered a pardon but declined it, also refusing to testify in criminal court. The opinion of the case given by the justices seemed to uncover that 1) a pardon can be given before a conviction and sentence; 2) a pardon can be refused, and 3) acceptance of a pardon implies acceptance of guilt. ”

https://courtmartiallaw.com/military-la ... mit-guilt/

So Old Salt stating an opinion as a fact is wrong….again?

Wrong. That cite is re. Military Courts-Martial proceedings & says "seems/seemed".

“Seems” like you are wrong again.

Flynn is not a "convicted felon". DoJ withdrew the charges. He was pardoned before he was sentenced.

https://www.courthousenews.com/sweeping ... e-charges/

It seems like “innocent” people get sentenced then….

In this situation, he plead guilty twice to a felony.

The pardon covered not only that felony, but also others which might be found during the Mueller prosecution. Guilty. But pardoned by Trump.

Judge Sullivan told Flynn: "You sold your country out".
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/18/judge-t ... aring.html

Scroll to 31:25:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhRNDsLbOvQ

Enough about this criminal and fanatic.

Democrats need a stone cold

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tjWPoQWdmjg

But instead ran this up there

https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/342 ... g-one-last

[ggait]

Post by ggait » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pm

Gotta think cheetohs “reliance on counsel” defense gets a lot weaker when his lawyers are all convicted. And when they all testify it was all bull shirt the whole time.

I’m calling the noxious Jenna Ellis as the next lawyer to flip.

Eastman seems like enough of a crackpot to go down with the ship.

Nailed it! One felony count, which is kind of a big deal for a lawyer's law license.

And a Salty/Andrew McCarthy post on how this case is so weak and BS coming in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

[CU88a]

Post by ggait » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pm

Gotta think cheetohs “reliance on counsel” defense gets a lot weaker when his lawyers are all convicted. And when they all testify it was all bull shirt the whole time.

I’m calling the noxious Jenna Ellis as the next lawyer to flip.

Eastman seems like enough of a crackpot to go down with the ship.

Called it!

Yes you did.

Her fake tears in front of the Judge were DEPLORABLE.

[NattyBohChamps04]

She was tricked into pleading guilty and reading this “hostage” statement.

Only took half a Mooch for Trump to deny knowing Powell.

Wonder how long it'll take for this one.

[Kismet]

Post by ggait » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pm

Gotta think cheetohs “reliance on counsel” defense gets a lot weaker when his lawyers are all convicted. And when they all testify it was all bull shirt the whole time.

I’m calling the noxious Jenna Ellis as the next lawyer to flip.

Eastman seems like enough of a crackpot to go down with the ship.

Nailed it! One felony count, which is kind of a big deal for a lawyer's law license.

And a Salty/Andrew McCarthy post on how this case is so weak and BS coming in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

Saltine must be buying McCarthy some more lipstick to put on this pig.
The faux tears for the judge were PRICELESS!
This woman is such a pitiful POS and fits in with the rest of this crowd.
With a FELONY plea no law license until she complete 5 years of probation. Boo-hoo.

[youthathletics]

She was tricked into pleading guilty and reading this “hostage” statement.

Only took half a Mooch for Trump to deny knowing Powell.

Wonder how long it'll take for this one.

Another example of Cognitive Dissonance playing out by an attorney....only this time karma showed up.

[Farfromgeneva]

She was tricked into pleading guilty and reading this “hostage” statement.

Only took half a Mooch for Trump to deny knowing Powell.

Wonder how long it'll take for this one.

Another example of Cognitive Dissonance playing out by an attorney....only this time karma showed up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EuWxhEWbxqE

[NattyBohChamps04]

If you need any more evidence of what a walking piece of garbage Ellis is, just watch:

https://twitter.com/andrewkimmel/status ... yXL2xCwtRA

[MDlaxfan76]

If you need any more evidence of what a walking piece of garbage Ellis is, just watch:

https://twitter.com/andrewkimmel/status ... yXL2xCwtRA

yikes, Jenna can join Flynn on his Christofascist grift tours.

Absolutely disgusting. But this is a very real movement in our country, and it's now been connected to politics in ways that the Moral Majority only dreamed of accomplishing.

My prediction is that a number of these folks who plead out will eventually violate their probations.

[MDlaxfan76]

She was tricked into pleading guilty and reading this “hostage” statement.

Only took half a Mooch for Trump to deny knowing Powell.

Wonder how long it'll take for this one.

ohh, man, I'd only seen the clips of her speaking...the way she ends, seemingly pleased with herself completing the reading, was what I thought people were referring to as revealing her actual emotions...but watching her as the judge talks to her lawyer, all smiles and happiness, and then the big performative switch happens when she stands to read the statement, just wow. "and as a Christian"...yes, POS.

[Typical Lax Dad]

If you need any more evidence of what a walking piece of garbage Ellis is, just watch:

https://twitter.com/andrewkimmel/status ... yXL2xCwtRA

This is what passes as “Christians” these days…..

[Farfromgeneva]

If you need any more evidence of what a walking piece of garbage Ellis is, just watch:

https://twitter.com/andrewkimmel/status ... yXL2xCwtRA

This is what passes as “Christians” these days…..

There’s a reason this Christian was always a second to his former partner Edge (the Rate R superstar!)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh1HaCni6vE

[ggait]

The flippers continue to flip.

Mark Meadows come on down!

Got an immunity deal from SC Jack Smith to testify that he knew and Trump knew and everyone knew that the election fraud claims were all BS and lies.

Nice to see the bitter end MAGA election deniers finally getting some accountability for their disgusting behavior.

Crazy, however, that so many of the MAGA butt holes continue to claim the election was rigged. For example, the House MAGAs just today shot down the most recent speaker candidate. Because he is a RINO who, horrors!!, voted to certify the election. Forking garbage cultist fascists.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The flippers continue to flip.

Mark Meadows come on down!

Got an immunity deal from SC Jack Smith to testify that he knew and Trump knew and everyone knew that the election fraud claims were all BS and lies.

Nice to see the bitter end MAGA election deniers finally getting some accountability for their disgusting behavior.

Crazy, however, that so many of the MAGA butt holes continue to claim the election was rigged. For example, the House MAGAs just today shot down the most recent speaker candidate. Because he is a RINO who, horrors!!, voted to certify the election. Forking garbage cultist fascists.

Nothing burger…..like Manafort, he wasn’t in the role all that long….not even sure he was ever officially Chief of Staff….