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Re: All things COVID-19
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:29 am
by RedFromMI
The next threat: Hunger in America
Opinion piece at WaPo:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
At one food pantry in Central Texas, the queue of cars waiting to pick up boxes of food stretches a quarter-mile. In Dayton, Ohio, the line extends about a mile.
In Pittsburgh, it’s miles, plural, as families wait hours so they won’t go hungry.
Across the country, one of the less visible parts of the social safety net — tens of thousands of food pantries and food banks — is starting to fray. The federal government must do more before it unravels.
Unsurprisingly, demand for food assistance is surging.
The federal government has taken steps designed to beef up food assistance. These include funding for additional commodity purchases from farmers, for emergency food programs; and allowing states to temporarily give more households the maximum food-stamp benefit.
Much more needs to be done.
First, the Agriculture Department needs to reduce cumbersome paperwork requirements for food banks and food pantries. It usually does this after natural disasters, when the goal is to serve as many people as quickly as possible. The measure seems doubly important during a disaster caused not by a hurricane but by an infectious disease, when trading pens and paperwork back and forth is risky.
But USDA officials have dragged their feet on waiving such requirements.
Second, Congress needs to pass “phase four” coronavirus relief legislation that increases the maximum value of food-stamp benefits, as it did in response to the Great Recession. (The Families First Coronavirus Response Act allowed states to give more households the maximum benefit but did not raise the ceiling for benefits.)
Re: All things COVID-19
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:44 am
by foreverlax
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:28 am
RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:17 am
CU88 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:09 am
Laxgunea wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:04 am
Still following the responses of different countries and regions. The difference of Argentina and Brazil is instructive. Argentina took cues from Italy in early March, shut down, and is in pretty good shape in terms of cases. Brazil is favoring the economy .... hey, you can disagree, but they are open about it. Their cases, underreported, are rising quickly.
You see similar differences in Spain, where regional responses differed in intensity a few weeks ago. Strict lockdowns work. The most successful regional govt are now setting in motion plans to maintain salaries of laid off workers.
All respect to different political persuasions out there, but the problem with the Trump response has been its sheer chaos. Different information each day. That's not leadership. Agree with him or not, I'll listen to what Cuomo says .... at least I know where he is coming from.
+1
The problems are not only that our federal government is weeks to months behind on its help/organization, but that you have absolute dipsh*ts like Jarod Kushner running around trying to control the response.
And Kush has no idea of what he is doing. In yesterday's press conference, he talked about the need for good management (while not realizing how much of a self own it was) and also commenting that the federal emergency stockpile is not for the states to use (it is a federal not state stockpile?) but we will help out anyway...(nevermind that the webpage for the emergency stockpile says it is in reserve for the rest of the country to use).
The "public-private" partnership that is expediting shipping from China is still just bringing material to private suppliers who are still jacking up prices to the highest bidder. When this crisis has faded some it will be highly interesting to see how much $$$ was made by crooks via the feds not getting in the middle and forcing the supplies at reasonable prices to the places that have the most critical needs.
The crooks making the money are the buddies of Trump's buddies. It is all good.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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We hit 3M hard today after seeing what they were doing with their Masks. “P Act” all the way. Big surprise to many in government as to what they were doing - will have a big price to pay!
And now DOPUS creates some bullshirt conspiracy regarding 3M. Insinuating they are patriotic? 3M makes the stuff for pandemics....wanna bet they were hearing pings before Trump knew that people can die from the flu.
3M has doubled mask production since January. President Trump on Thursday invoked the Defense Production Act against 3M, which gives the federal government more control over a company’s operations. 3M didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment on the move.
3M began ramping up mask production after the World Health Organization on Jan. 11 reported the first deaths from Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. By mid-March 3M had doubled its output to nearly 100 million masks a month globally, and 35 million a month in the U.S., at plants in South Dakota and Nebraska. the company also has said it would import 10 million masks this month from its factory in China, which earlier this year was restricted from sending goods abroad.
3M CEO on N95 Masks: ‘Demand Exceeds Our Production Capacity
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:55 am
by Peter Brown
It's interesting to see who in America is hysterical and fearful, versus those who accept the cold hard facts of this virus (male, over 80, obese, underlying health conditions especially COPD and heart disease, poor diets).
If you read some posters here, we obviously will be skinning our cats and dogs in just a matter of weeks.
If you understand the human capacity for ingenuity, survival, and achievement, turbocharged by American freedom, you know that this shall pass relatively quickly.
Smart people are buying hard assets at fire-sale prices. Onward.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:00 am
by Kismet
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:06 am
by jhu72
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:55 am
It's interesting to see who in America is hysterical and fearful, versus those who accept the cold hard facts of this virus (male, over 80, obese, underlying health conditions especially COPD and heart disease, poor diets).
If you read some posters here, we obviously will be skinning our cats and dogs in just a matter of weeks.
If you understand the human capacity for ingenuity, survival, and achievement, turbocharged by American freedom, you know that this shall pass relatively quickly.
Smart people are buying hard assets at fire-sale prices. Onward.
You mean opportunistic scumbags and grifters. Why should we expect anything different.
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:12 am
by Peter Brown
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:06 am
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:55 am
It's interesting to see who in America is hysterical and fearful, versus those who accept the cold hard facts of this virus (male, over 80, obese, underlying health conditions especially COPD and heart disease, poor diets).
If you read some posters here, we obviously will be skinning our cats and dogs in just a matter of weeks.
If you understand the human capacity for ingenuity, survival, and achievement, turbocharged by American freedom, you know that this shall pass relatively quickly.
Smart people are buying hard assets at fire-sale prices. Onward.
You mean opportunistic scumbags and grifters. Why should we expect anything different.
I'm not sure a 20%-off, $10,000,000 Embraer Legacy 600 is the 'essential commodity' you need to price-protect, but hey, whatever economic theory floats your boat...
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:15 am
by Peter Brown
(see above)
That sweet sound of woke liberal intellect; its deeper rhapsody and calming tones, flowing over us with waves of high IQ delight! I can almost detect a Dan Rather homily.
(Kismet and gang never fail to amuse)
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:16 am
by MDlaxfan76
cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:20 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:55 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:10 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:51 pm
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:35 pm
6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:27 pm
DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:25 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:54 pm
I’m watching this task force press conference.
I know you TDS-afflicted are gonna hate to hear this, but Trump is finding his footing. He seems like he actually understands some virus specifics that most people don’t, which I’d normally not expect out of him. I know you yahoos will fillet him regardless but the voters are likely recognizing this.
Also, Dr Birx is a rockstar.
Most of today’s media are actually asking legitimate non-gotcha questions.
We needed Trump to find his footing two months ago.
What is unfolding now is one of the great tragedies in American history ... a tragedy brought about by Trump’s incompetence and malignant narcissism.
It is not possible to catch up to a pandemic like this. Tens of thousands of Americans, maybe over a hundred thousand, will go to their graves because Trump prized his political interests over the safety and welfare of the American people.
Trump’s malfeasance will long be remembered as one of the great criminal acts in American history.
DocBarrister
CHINA’s malfeasance will long be remembered as one of the great criminal acts in American history.
China’s crimes do not excuse Trump’s.
DocBarrister
3,000 provincial (Hubei) and a few federal bureaucrats lost their jobs over the initial delay in reporting.
Not that their system doesn't 'encourage' holding back bad news, but they sent quite the message in the aftermath. Note that if you are fired from a government/Party job, you will have a very difficult time finding any other job...maybe sweeping streets.
Who is getting fired over the US foul up?
Well, let's fire the ship commander blowing the whistle...that's akin to firing the Chinese doc who blew the whistle (and subsequently died).
China good. trump Bad.
Really, that's your takeaway ?
Wow... what a brilliant analogy from the guy who coined the red team blue team analysis of things.
Not sure what the "analogy" is to which you are referring, cradle.
The Chinese system has inherent biases against bad news percolating up. And no free press. And no whistleblower protection.
The Party system is nevertheless, somewhat self-regulating to achieve its objectives. And when its objectives are threatened, heads roll so to speak...sometimes literally.
Not remotely what I'd want for the US, but worth understanding.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:32 am
by Laxgunea
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:55 am
It's interesting to see who in America is hysterical and fearful, versus those who accept the cold hard facts of this virus (male, over 80, obese, underlying health conditions especially COPD and heart disease, poor diets).
If you read some posters here, we obviously will be skinning our cats and dogs in just a matter of weeks.
If you understand the human capacity for ingenuity, survival, and achievement, turbocharged by American freedom, you know that this shall pass relatively quickly.
Smart people are buying hard assets at fire-sale prices. Onward.
Ok, Jair. See you down at the favela!
[Oh turd ... PB is also right ... we aren't going to be skinning cats and dogs ... and it isnt the 13th century ... this is not the Black Death ... it isnt the Spanish Flu either... nonetheless, only smart people with jobs and money are buying assets. American freedom dies as the middle class dies .... Trump is the latest symptom, but I put more blame on the 1990s corporate Democrats like Bill Clinton ... and Joe Biden].
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:35 am
by 6ftstick
3 interesting dates
February 7, 2020
February 19, 2020
February 25, 2020
Three democrat party primary debates. All after Trump closed the borders to Chinese New Year travelers.
How many questions from a concerned media about Corona virus.
What democrat candidate brought it up for discussion and debate.
If your guess is higher than ZERO. You're wrong
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:41 am
by Laxgunea
Wasn't it brought up at the climate change debate that the dems held?
... oh, wait, they didn't hold that debate either ....
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:42 am
by Kismet
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:15 am
(see above)
That sweet sound of woke liberal intellect; its deeper rhapsody and calming tones, flowing over us with waves of high IQ delight! I can almost detect a Dan Rather homily.
(Kismet and gang never fail to amuse)
Ditto for you never failing to be a condescending a-hole, SpongePete.
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:44 am
by jhu72
More evidence is being reported, studies in progress, studies in the US, Italy, and yes China, are starting to show that transmission does occur by airborne virus. Smaller particulate packages than the so called droplets from sneezes, coughs, etc. Just exhaling produces these small particles. Still the major and most significant mechanism is droplets. This is a secondary method of transmission.
I would bet that when this is all said and done, a correlation will be found with air pollution levels. This does not mean you can't get it if you live in a relatively low pollution environment.
Disclaimer: This is not meant to scare Peanut Butters, snowflakes or Pollyannas. Feel free to ignore it if your belief system will not allow for such a possibility.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:45 am
by 6ftstick
Laxgunea wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:41 am
Wasn't it brought up at the climate change debate that the dems held?
... oh, wait, they didn't hold that debate either ....
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Well put
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:47 am
by MDlaxfan76
6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:35 am
3 interesting dates
February 7, 2020
February 19, 2020
February 25, 2020
Three democrat party primary debates. All after Trump closed the borders to Chinese New Year travelers.
How many questions from a concerned media about Corona virus.
What democrat candidate brought it up for discussion and debate.
If your guess is higher than ZERO. You're wrong
I thought Trump was telling America, no sweat, no problem, I've got the best intelligence, the best docs, and we have this fully contained?
Of course, you're right if any of those on the stage had had an intelligence briefing on the virus and its pandemic potential...certainly
could have brought it up, even if the questions were all focused on the differences between them on various mostly domestic policy issues.
One or more of the Senators might have been in an intelligence briefing on it, not sure if any were though. But intelligence briefings for the candidates don't happen until the general election period.
But perhaps you are saying that they had enough from the general news?
Or are you suggesting that any of them has a pandemic specialist on their advisory staff at that point in a campaign?
You know, someone whose job it is to tell the candidate (or POTUS) that a situation is coming of epic proportions needing planning and first actions immediately?
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:48 am
by MDlaxfan76
General comment: I think we should take the name calling down a notch.
I get the breast for tat, but how about all cool it?
Plenty to disagree about without that stuff.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:50 am
by dislaxxic
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:50 am
by 6ftstick
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:47 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:35 am
3 interesting dates
February 7, 2020
February 19, 2020
February 25, 2020
Three democrat party primary debates. All after Trump closed the borders to Chinese New Year travelers.
How many questions from a concerned media about Corona virus.
What democrat candidate brought it up for discussion and debate.
If your guess is higher than ZERO. You're wrong
You know, someone whose job it is to tell the candidate (or POTUS) that a situation is coming of epic proportions needing planning and first actions immediately?
How about the people asking the freakin questions THE MSM.
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:53 am
by a fan
6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:35 am
3 interesting dates
February 7, 2020
February 19, 2020
February 25, 2020
Three democrat party primary debates. All after Trump closed the borders to Chinese New Year travelers.
How many questions from a concerned media about Corona virus.
What democrat candidate brought it up for discussion and debate.
If your guess is higher than ZERO. You're wrong
So your point is that both parties handled this virus poorly?
Right?
Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:56 am
by 6ftstick
a fan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:53 am
6ftstick wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:35 am
3 interesting dates
February 7, 2020
February 19, 2020
February 25, 2020
Three democrat party primary debates. All after Trump closed the borders to Chinese New Year travelers.
How many questions from a concerned media about Corona virus.
What democrat candidate brought it up for discussion and debate.
If your guess is higher than ZERO. You're wrong
So your point is that both parties handled this virus poorly?
Right?
And how much shyte is being thrown at the democrats. Again if your guess is higher than zero you'd be wrong.