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HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pm I signed up for a Lacrosse Reference Pro account. The Jays this season have their best adjusted defensive efficiency since at least 2014. (Data only goes back to 2015). D this year is better than it was in 2015 when we last made the FF as well as in 2018 when we last made the QFs. And it should go without saying that it's both better than last year and much, much better than in '19 and '20.

Offense on the other hand is almost exactly the same as in 2020 and has shown no improvement over prior years.

This defense + a couple more explosive dodgers in the next few classes...could have something. They're not terribly far off.

Now, running with the Terps this year is an entirely different story. They're #1 in offense (we're #37) and #3 in defense (we're #17, Syracuse is #62).

And a top tier goalie.......

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pm I signed up for a Lacrosse Reference Pro account. The Jays this season have their best adjusted defensive efficiency since at least 2014. (Data only goes back to 2015). D this year is better than it was in 2015 when we last made the FF as well as in 2018 when we last made the QFs. And it should go without saying that it's both better than last year and much, much better than in '19 and '20.

Offense on the other hand is almost exactly the same as in 2020 and has shown no improvement over prior years.

This defense + a couple more explosive dodgers in the next few classes...could have something. They're not terribly far off.

Now, running with the Terps this year is an entirely different story. They're #1 in offense (we're #37) and #3 in defense (we're #17, Syracuse is #62).

Guess you and the nation have been watching different games. Kirson struggled early, clearing and gbs have sucked, they were blitzed by rutgers early and lost to delaware, navy, and haven't beaten a quality opponent other than jacksonville which most of us didn't know existed until the schedule game out. This is with szulak lyne mcmanus kirson schurr lilly jennings who are all d1 veterans and martin and jaronski who weren't rookies. How was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

Expecting a college park environment/crowd saturday.

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:43 pm How many of the current players are ones that Milliman recruited?

every single player is in that lockerroom because PM gave them a jersey for this season. There are not Milliman players who wear milliman jerseys and petro players who wear petro jerseys.

jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:06 pm

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:43 pm How many of the current players are ones that Milliman recruited?

every single player is in that lockerroom because PM gave them a jersey for this season. There are not Milliman players who wear milliman jerseys and petro players who wear petro jerseys.

Yes, you are correct. But still, I am looking forward to seeing what happens when more of the regular players are those which Milliman recruited.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pm I signed up for a Lacrosse Reference Pro account. The Jays this season have their best adjusted defensive efficiency since at least 2014. (Data only goes back to 2015). D this year is better than it was in 2015 when we last made the FF as well as in 2018 when we last made the QFs. And it should go without saying that it's both better than last year and much, much better than in '19 and '20.

Offense on the other hand is almost exactly the same as in 2020 and has shown no improvement over prior years.

This defense + a couple more explosive dodgers in the next few classes...could have something. They're not terribly far off.

Now, running with the Terps this year is an entirely different story. They're #1 in offense (we're #37) and #3 in defense (we're #17, Syracuse is #62).

You signed up for a LaxRef Pro account when your team is not even making the tournament? Now that is dedication. I salute you.

MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:19 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pm I signed up for a Lacrosse Reference Pro account. The Jays this season have their best adjusted defensive efficiency since at least 2014. (Data only goes back to 2015). D this year is better than it was in 2015 when we last made the FF as well as in 2018 when we last made the QFs. And it should go without saying that it's both better than last year and much, much better than in '19 and '20.

Offense on the other hand is almost exactly the same as in 2020 and has shown no improvement over prior years.

This defense + a couple more explosive dodgers in the next few classes...could have something. They're not terribly far off.

Now, running with the Terps this year is an entirely different story. They're #1 in offense (we're #37) and #3 in defense (we're #17, Syracuse is #62).

You signed up for a LaxRef Pro account when your team is not even making the tournament? Now that is dedication. I salute you.

It was like $5. I'm interested in lacrosse, regardless of how my team is playing. Helps me stay informed so I don't spout off complete nonsense and routinely beclown myself like jhu06

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:17 pm

jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:06 pm

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:43 pm How many of the current players are ones that Milliman recruited?

every single player is in that lockerroom because PM gave them a jersey for this season. There are not Milliman players who wear milliman jerseys and petro players who wear petro jerseys.

Yes, you are correct. But still, I am looking forward to seeing what happens when more of the regular players are those which Milliman recruited.

Hopkins lacrosse fans believe that winning lacrosse now takes decades to build towards and requires two dozen steve nebraskas with sticks to compete. (Hopkins lacrosse alumni media believe that winning lacrosse requires Kardashian type treatment of players apparently). If PM had accurately assessed the lack of offensive talent on his team and Grant jr s ability to coach it and had added better scoring and Jameson had been able to coach clearing better some of those games like georgetown might have been different.

$15-20 for a lacrosse game seems steep. The goal should be to fill the stands, give the kids a raucous environment, make up the ticket $ on concessions/merch/sponsor activations and engagement with the community, alumni, future kids and employees.

jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:29 pm

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:17 pm

jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:06 pm

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:43 pm How many of the current players are ones that Milliman recruited?

every single player is in that lockerroom because PM gave them a jersey for this season. There are not Milliman players who wear milliman jerseys and petro players who wear petro jerseys.

Yes, you are correct. But still, I am looking forward to seeing what happens when more of the regular players are those which Milliman recruited.

Hopkins lacrosse fans believe that winning lacrosse now takes decades to build towards and requires two dozen steve nebraskas with sticks to compete. (Hopkins lacrosse alumni media believe that winning lacrosse requires Kardashian type treatment of players apparently). If PM had accurately assessed the lack of offensive talent on his team and Grant jr s ability to coach it and had added better scoring and Jameson had been able to coach clearing better some of those games like georgetown might have been different.

Do you think PM should get a whole lot longer if things really don't start to get better next year?

He probably has a 5 year contract or something to reassure kids and the parents. Coming off corona they'll give him whatever time he needs and we know that Daniels and Baker REALLY care about the off the field stuff first.

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:39 pm

jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:29 pm

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:17 pm

jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:06 pm

gymman1031 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:43 pm How many of the current players are ones that Milliman recruited?

every single player is in that lockerroom because PM gave them a jersey for this season. There are not Milliman players who wear milliman jerseys and petro players who wear petro jerseys.

Yes, you are correct. But still, I am looking forward to seeing what happens when more of the regular players are those which Milliman recruited.

Hopkins lacrosse fans believe that winning lacrosse now takes decades to build towards and requires two dozen steve nebraskas with sticks to compete. (Hopkins lacrosse alumni media believe that winning lacrosse requires Kardashian type treatment of players apparently). If PM had accurately assessed the lack of offensive talent on his team and Grant jr s ability to coach it and had added better scoring and Jameson had been able to coach clearing better some of those games like georgetown might have been different.

Do you think PM should get a whole lot longer if things really don't start to get better next year?

Having worked in multiple D1 athletic departments of various sizes and with various traditions and aspirations, the Grambling State volleyball situation from this month where a new coach is pulling scholarships and roster spots en masse is exceedingly rare. Especially in non revenue sports. New staffs overwhelmingly work with what they inherit while working to improve the culture and talent. And their bosses are keenly aware of the percentage of the roster brought in by the previous or current staff. It’s still relatively early in PM’s JHU tenure. Cornell’s performance to date coupled with improving adjusted defensive efficiency should be causes for optimism for the JHU faithful.

BlueJaySince1947 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:56 am

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:53 pm

HappyGilmore wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:56 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:20 pm

HillsLax wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:06 pm "They're the best!!"

Morons never take a break--even on Easter Sunday. Thanks goodness they have a place where they can be themselves.

Mr. "The Coaches Have No Idea How to Teach or Coach or Communicate" doesn't have a whole lot to say after a dominant win. He's not interested in being objective. Win and it's silence. Lose and the world is ending. Rough way to go about being a "fan" IMO, but to each his own.

Let’s see how it goes next week???

A great win over a 3-8 team!
Probably would have lost if PSU had started their freshman goalie.
Let's see how they do against UMD next week.
Or maybe not. I don't have the stomach to watch that one.
DeSo, Keough, Lyne are lost to graduation.
One or two more transfers out and this team is not even competitive next year.
Sing your tune when the team is out of the playoff conversation AGAIN next March.

Classic glassy eyed drooling Blue Jay hatred...

No just a deep dislike of the current coaching staff and the way the said coaching staff treat their players. Would love to see JHU do well. Not sure this will happen with current coaching staff.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:14 pm I signed up for a Lacrosse Reference Pro account. The Jays this season have their best adjusted defensive efficiency since at least 2014. (Data only goes back to 2015). D this year is better than it was in 2015 when we last made the FF as well as in 2018 when we last made the QFs. And it should go without saying that it's both better than last year and much, much better than in '19 and '20.

Offense on the other hand is almost exactly the same as in 2020 and has shown no improvement over prior years.

This defense + a couple more explosive dodgers in the next few classes...could have something. They're not terribly far off.

Now, running with the Terps this year is an entirely different story. They're #1 in offense (we're #37) and #3 in defense (we're #17, Syracuse is #62).

I won't argue that the defense has looked better. I don't think anyone would. It is more aggressive and better positioned than it was in past years. Clearing obviously has been an issue all year with some games better than others.

Offense has been awful. It is averaging 10.85 goals a game. That is good 45th. It isn't that it has been bad but it also doesn't seem to know what it wants to do. It has been slow all year to get into any type of offensive set. And I've fully admitted some of this is talent but it is also offensive schemes. It is difficult to see what JG wants to do on offense.

Many of the goals this year have been off transition and unsettled situations (granted many teams play this way). And you can argue efficiency but I'll simply say that stats are generally for nerds. The eye test tells me they aren't that good. last year in 13 games they scored 145 goals. This year (against several weaker teams) they've only scored 141.

"It has been slow all year to get into any type of offensive set."

My take is that coaches know that our shooters aren't that accurate and we have no one that can create their own shot, so the O is purposely slow and methodical. (Like in college basketball, when you have inferior athletes, you play a grind it out game to keep it close until the final minutes so you have a chance to win.) Getting into a shoot-out with a team like Rutgers or UVa or Maryland is a guaranteed way to lose. By slowing down your own offense, with ball control, you limit the other teams' shots (and points).

steel_hop wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:39 am It is difficult to see what JG wants to do on offense.

This is the issue and the issue isn't unique to JHU.

Big Dog wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:00 am "It has been slow all year to get into any type of offensive set."

My take is that coaches know that our shooters aren't that accurate and we have no one that can create their own shot, so the O is purposely slow and methodical. (Like in college basketball, when you have inferior athletes, you play a grind it out game to keep it close until the final minutes so you have a chance to win.) Getting into a shoot-out with a team like Rutgers or UVa or Maryland is a guaranteed way to lose. By slowing down your own offense, with ball control, you limit the other teams' shots (and points).

Exactly. What people need to realize is that, in comparison to most of the good teams out there, this team has few good shooters by D1 standards. This is not an affront to the players, it is simply the way it is. The way you can compete with the best teams is to have a good/efficient defense (check), work patiently for the best possible shot from the best possible shooter (which is what they do), and avoid creating unsettled situations in the clearing game (ooops, aside from the PSU game). If Milliman and JGJr took a different/ more aggressive approach with this offense, there would be a bunch of 10+ goal losses and posters here would be losing their minds.

Worth remembering that this staff's "first" recruiting class, the current freshmen, were all last-minute adds. The vast majority of high-end talent was already committed elsewhere when they took over. Not to say that they can't or won't contribute but it's not fair to expect the same of that group as you would a normal class recruited on a normal timeline under normal circumstances. The evaluation of PM/Junior's offensive players begins next year with the introduction of the class of 2022, headlined by guys like Matt Collison, Koleton Marquis, Brooks English, and Charlie Iler, among others. Based on what CJ Kirst and a few of PM's other offensive recruits are doing up at Cornell right now I feel ok about his ability to evaluate offense. But right now he's got what he's got and what jhu06 willfully misunderstands is that he could not just wholesale cut Petro's guys without dooming recruiting for disaster for the foreseeable future. Absolutely no one would want to come here after witnessing that. He trimmed the fat (there *were* several cuts) without rocking the boat too much. He also couldn't just add whatever offensive talent he wanted. It's not NFL free agency where you can offer a someone $15 million to come play for you. We have no idea who they reached out to — my hunch is they would have absolutely loved to have a kid like Jonathan Donville but, guess what, he wanted to go to Maryland. As did a lot of other guys.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:04 pm Worth remembering that this staff's "first" recruiting class, the current freshmen, were all last-minute adds. The vast majority of high-end talent was already committed elsewhere when they took over. Not to say that they can't or won't contribute but it's not fair to expect the same of that group as you would a normal class recruited on a normal timeline under normal circumstances. The evaluation of PM/Junior's offensive players begins next year with the introduction of the class of 2022, headlined by guys like Matt Collison, Koleton Marquis, Brooks English, and Charlie Iler, among others. Based on what CJ Kirst and a few of PM's other offensive recruits are doing up at Cornell right now I feel ok about his ability to evaluate offense. But right now he's got what he's got and what jhu06 willfully misunderstands is that he could not just wholesale cut Petro's guys without dooming recruiting for disaster for the foreseeable future. Absolutely no one would want to come here after witnessing that. He trimmed the fat (there *were* several cuts) without rocking the boat too much. He also couldn't just add whatever offensive talent he wanted. It's not NFL free agency where you can offer a someone $15 million to come play for you. We have no idea who they reached out to — my hunch is they would have absolutely loved to have a kid like Jonathan Donville but, guess what, he wanted to go to Maryland. As did a lot of other guys.

-Actually NIL should be somewhere where we're able to flex. No program in lacrosse gets as much exposure on tv every week as ours does. You have folks like Rabil and Harrison who are litterally writing the book on lacrosse marketing and monetization.
-Rutgers overhauled their offense this offseason and got better. PM was aggressive in rebuilding the d.
-What we learned in 2009-2013 is that when you start with the "wait until next year, the incoming class will have the answers, and it's ok that we're struggling right now" stuff is that all you do is put more pressure on younger kids to deliver which in a social media environment where 24/7/365 tape, commitments, comments, and message board words are parsed and over analyzed in full view of student athletes isn't the best mix. I think Gait has made a terrible mistake in coming into syracuse basking in the tradition and his own personal success telling students, alumni, parents and fans that the kids he brings in are going to recreate the level of success he had. The moment that doesn't happen it's going to get ugly for them and assuming we don't make a run the next 2 weekends you're going to enter year 3 with a new set of very young kids expected to return us to the ncaa tournament and take a conference away from a maryland juggernaut pushing towards one of the best eras in lacrosse. Tall task.
-Also for all those who think that Hopkins lacrosse fans are a toxic group, that too much pressure is put on the young kids, that the spotlight is too intense please look at the student newspaper and tell me if you can find what's missing.
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/section/sports

Question about match ups. I've watched a few JHU games this year, and I'm wondering how the close D will match up. I saw that Szuluk didn't start but played this last week. So McManus, Lyne, and Szuluk or Smith will be the starting close unit?

I'd guess that McManus would guard Khan, with Lyne marking Malever. Leaving one of the other two to cover Wisnauskas.

The defense looks like they have great size and really good mobility. Just curious as to how you all see the deployment of defenders happening.

I also operate on the theory that limiting Khan and Malever is the key to slowing down MD's offense, and both Syracuse and Princeton did a good job of that. Limiting the attack dodgers makes Maryland go to the invert, which takes them longer to set up. It slows down the game and forces the Terps to grind on offense. I know Hop's had struggles in the defensive midfield, but they do look like they have good pieces at close to replicated what Cuse and Princeton did.

If Maryland does go to the invert, Owen Murphy is going to see a ton of good match ups. When the second MF line comes in, he and Malever switch, so one of the two nearly always gets a shorty or LSM to dodge instead of a close defender. It's why Brennan and Koras have come on strong of late.

HappyGilmore wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:42 pm

BlueJaySince1947 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:56 am

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:53 pm

HappyGilmore wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:56 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:20 pm

HillsLax wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:06 pm "They're the best!!"

Morons never take a break--even on Easter Sunday. Thanks goodness they have a place where they can be themselves.

Mr. "The Coaches Have No Idea How to Teach or Coach or Communicate" doesn't have a whole lot to say after a dominant win. He's not interested in being objective. Win and it's silence. Lose and the world is ending. Rough way to go about being a "fan" IMO, but to each his own.

Let’s see how it goes next week???

A great win over a 3-8 team!
Probably would have lost if PSU had started their freshman goalie.
Let's see how they do against UMD next week.
Or maybe not. I don't have the stomach to watch that one.
DeSo, Keough, Lyne are lost to graduation.
One or two more transfers out and this team is not even competitive next year.
Sing your tune when the team is out of the playoff conversation AGAIN next March.

Classic glassy eyed drooling Blue Jay hatred...

No just a deep dislike of the current coaching staff and the way the said coaching staff treat their players. Would love to see JHU do well. Not sure this will happen with current coaching staff.

I keep hearing the same thing. This coaching staff is to be kind less than popular with the players. The sense I get is they are missing a “Dwan” piece on staff. If it’s serious business 24/7 morale is going to drop and you aren’t going to get the results you’re hoping for.