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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:21 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:17 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:11 am Sidney Powell just pled guilty before Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee to 6 counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with the performance of election duties.

Trump lawyer Sidney Powell has cut a plea deal and is expected to plead guilty in Georgia one day before her trial begins. She has agreed to testify in future proceedings as part of the plea deal. Fulton County prosecutors are recommending a sentence of six years probation. Powell will also be required to testify at future trials and write an apology letter to the citizens of Georgia.

As part of her guilty plea, Powell is admitting her role in the January 2021 breach of election systems in rural Coffee County, Georgia. With the help of local GOP officials, a group of Trump supporters accessed and copied information from the county’s election systems in hopes of somehow proving that the election was rigged against Trump.

She has agreed to testify in future proceedings as part of the plea deal.


Orange fatso must be apoplectic and the Kraken will now apparently be released on HIM. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Don't tell YA and Old Salt. They think it's ok to break laws, and the Dems are bad for daring to prosecute these majestic Republicans, and this makes Republican voters vote for (checks notes) convicted felons.

Makes perfect sense.
:lol: On a roll today, I see.

The good think, is that she is on standby to testify. Wonder who she conspired with? Nice to see how they continue to overcharge people so they can get something in the end.

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:26 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:21 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:17 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:11 am Sidney Powell just pled guilty before Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee to 6 counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with the performance of election duties.

Trump lawyer Sidney Powell has cut a plea deal and is expected to plead guilty in Georgia one day before her trial begins. She has agreed to testify in future proceedings as part of the plea deal. Fulton County prosecutors are recommending a sentence of six years probation. Powell will also be required to testify at future trials and write an apology letter to the citizens of Georgia.

As part of her guilty plea, Powell is admitting her role in the January 2021 breach of election systems in rural Coffee County, Georgia. With the help of local GOP officials, a group of Trump supporters accessed and copied information from the county’s election systems in hopes of somehow proving that the election was rigged against Trump.

She has agreed to testify in future proceedings as part of the plea deal.


Orange fatso must be apoplectic and the Kraken will now apparently be released on HIM. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Don't tell YA and Old Salt. They think it's ok to break laws, and the Dems are bad for daring to prosecute these majestic Republicans, and this makes Republican voters vote for (checks notes) convicted felons.

Makes perfect sense.
:lol: On a roll today, I see.
Well come on, man...this is what you guys are selling us, and telling us that we're blind if we don't get this is why Trump keeps getting nominated. That it's our fault that YOU keep nominating Trump.

Do you believe that, or not? Put your stake in the ground, and deal with the consequences of your ideas.

And yes, I'm on a roll. ;)

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:27 pm
by Brooklyn
Disappointing to know Sidney Powell won't spend any time in the Big House. She missed out on making friends there. But it should be interesting to see what disclosures she makes about the Chosen Messiah and his (oops, His) role in all this when she testifies at trial.

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:05 pm
by PizzaSnake
Brooklyn wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:27 pm Disappointing to know Sidney Powell won't spend any time in the Big House. She missed out on making friends there. But it should be interesting to see what disclosures she makes about the Chosen Messiah and his (oops, His) role in all this when she testifies at trial.
Hope springs eternal for a parole violation or perjury charge as a result of duplicitous testimony…

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:10 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
Question for anyone who might know:

Would the Kraken have to have provided a proffer of the testimony she could give in her former co-defendants’ cases as part of the overall plea deal?

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:18 pm
by Kismet
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:10 pm Question for anyone who might know:

Would the Kraken have to have provided a proffer of the testimony she could give in her former co-defendants’ cases as part of the overall plea deal?
Reports confirm there WAS a proffer made before the deal was finalized. So the prosecutors already know what she is going to testify to and so will the Feds once she testifies in GA

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:54 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
Kismet wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:18 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:10 pm Question for anyone who might know:

Would the Kraken have to have provided a proffer of the testimony she could give in her former co-defendants’ cases as part of the overall plea deal?
Reports confirm there WAS a proffer made before the deal was finalized. So the prosecutors already know what she is going to testify to and so will the Feds once she testifies in GA
Excellent; she got a sweet deal given all the damage she did. I am hopeful that the testimony will be the pay-off. Thanks Kismet.

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:51 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
The Art of the Plea Deal

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:09 pm
by SCLaxAttack
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:54 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:18 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:10 pm Question for anyone who might know:

Would the Kraken have to have provided a proffer of the testimony she could give in her former co-defendants’ cases as part of the overall plea deal?
Reports confirm there WAS a proffer made before the deal was finalized. So the prosecutors already know what she is going to testify to and so will the Feds once she testifies in GA
Excellent; she got a sweet deal given all the damage she did. I am hopeful that the testimony will be the pay-off. Thanks Kismet.
Christie, as a former U.S. attorney, says “You don't give a no-jail plea deal unless that person's got something very good to say that will help your case against the others.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 244641007/

Chesebro’s going down. Too dumb to take a deal.

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:20 pm
by MDlaxfan76
SCLaxAttack wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:09 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:54 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:18 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:10 pm Question for anyone who might know:

Would the Kraken have to have provided a proffer of the testimony she could give in her former co-defendants’ cases as part of the overall plea deal?
Reports confirm there WAS a proffer made before the deal was finalized. So the prosecutors already know what she is going to testify to and so will the Feds once she testifies in GA
Excellent; she got a sweet deal given all the damage she did. I am hopeful that the testimony will be the pay-off. Thanks Kismet.
Christie, as a former U.S. attorney, says “You don't give a no-jail plea deal unless that person's got something very good to say that will help your case against the others.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 244641007/

Chesebro’s going down. Too dumb to take a deal.
I bet he and his lawyer are discussing it tonight...

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:23 pm
by ggait
I called it weeks ago.

The request for a speedy trial was a gambit to get an early plea deal. And he who pleads first gets that best deal. While Powell is an embarrassment to the bar, she knows enough to hire a good lawyer and when to fold ‘em.

Chesbro for sure is trying to settle. Tbd if he will strike a deal.

Having said that, the kraken can go fork herself. Unless she is completely insane (possible) she can rot in hell. A complete disgrace. And she hopefully will be bankrupted soon in the smart matic case. Just desserts.

And Chesbro can fork himself too. Sleazy loser disgrace.

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:08 am
by old salt
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:54 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:18 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:10 pm Question for anyone who might know:

Would the Kraken have to have provided a proffer of the testimony she could give in her former co-defendants’ cases as part of the overall plea deal?
Reports confirm there WAS a proffer made before the deal was finalized. So the prosecutors already know what she is going to testify to and so will the Feds once she testifies in GA
Excellent; she got a sweet deal given all the damage she did. I am hopeful that the testimony will be the pay-off. Thanks Kismet.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/ ... n-atlanta/

Sidney Powell’s Guilty Plea Points to a Faltering Case in Atlanta

By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY, October 19, 2023

While the media spin will be different, my first impression of Sidney Powell’s guilty plea in the Fulton County election-interference case is: It signals that District Attorney Fani Willis’s much-heralded RICO indictment — in which 19 are charged, including Powell’s famous co-defendant Donald Trump — is a dud.

Powell is the second defendant in the case to be offered a misdemeanor plea to dispose of what was publicized as an indictment of the grand conspiracy to destroy American democracy.

A bail bondsman named Scott Hall, who was implicated in the same scheme as Powell in Willis’s sprawling indictment — namely, a plot to access voting data in rural Coffee County, Ga. — was permitted to plead guilty on September 29 to misdemeanor charges involving intentional interference with the performance of election duties. Like Powell (and Trump), Hall was hit with the big RICO-conspiracy charge, as well as several felony charges. Like Powell, his plea to the minor charges will assure him of a non-prison sentence.

Powell likewise pleaded guilty to intentional interference with the performance of election duties, as well as five other misdemeanors, without being required to plead guilty to the RICO charge — or even admit that she was guilty of it. Powell has been given a sentence of six years’ probation and a fine of $6,000 (with an additional $2,700 restitution assessment). Like Hall’s sentence, Powell’s includes an agreement to write a letter of apology to the people of Georgia. (Hey Fani, good luck ever getting Trump to agree to that one!)

Like Hall, Powell is cooperating with prosecutors. On that score, as part of her plea bargain, she gave a statement to the state. It is under seal . . . so we have some intrigue.

Obviously, Powell’s cooperation is potentially more consequential for Trump than Hall’s. The lengthy indictment does not suggest that Trump is directly implicated in the scheme to get election data from Coffee County — an oddball plot given that it was a pro-Trump bastion whose database was unlikely to have yielded evidence of ballot manipulation favoring now-president Biden. It is thus doubtful that Hall would have much admissible testimony about Trump, with whom he may not have been acquainted or had any contact.

Powell, on the other hand, had extensive contact with Trump throughout the “stop the steal” campaign in the weeks following the 2020 election. In taking a statement from her, Willis’s prosecutors may not have limited themselves to the discrete scheme to which she pleaded guilty.

Moreover, it is entirely possible that Willis’s team is consulting with Biden Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith, given that their case overlaps significantly with his federal election-interference prosecution (in which, to this point, only Trump has been charged, although it appears that Powell may be among the unindicted coconspirators whose names Smith did not include in the indictment). It’s possible — in fact, I’d say it’s likely — that Powell has been interviewed by prosecutors (at least from Fulton County, and perhaps from the special counsel’s office, too) about all her dealings with Trump, not just about the Coffee County doings.

But let’s put this in context. As I pointed out throughout the Mueller investigation, when prosecutors cut plea deals with cooperators early in the proceedings, they generally want the pleading defendants to admit guilt to the major charges in the indictment. That indicates to the public that the major conspiracy charged is real. It puts pressure on other defendants to plead guilty to serious charges and cooperate. And it shores up the case against the major culprits.

Here, to the contrary, Willis is not only abandoning the RICO charge; she’s not even getting felony guilty pleas of any kind.

If these were serious prosecutions, we would not be seeing probation sentences. If Willis truly believed in her ballyhooed RICO charge — the flaws of which I’ve discussed here, here, here, here, and here — she’d induce her cooperators to plead guilty to the RICO charge and explain, in the plea allocution, what they did, particularly in conjunction with Donald Trump, that makes them guilty.

Willis is not doing that.

Yet I wouldn’t call these sweetheart plea deals. A plea bargain is properly branded “sweetheart” when, as in Hunter Biden’s situation, there appear to be serious charges that the prosecutor could easily prove but refrains from charging.

Willis’s case appears to be the opposite. She filed the grandiose allegations in an indictment that depicts Trump as if he were the boss of a Mafia family — with Powell as one of his lieutenants. Now she’s pleading people out to minor infractions.

There’s good reason to believe that’s because minor infractions are all she’s got.

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:39 am
by Kismet
Good for Faux News that they FINALLY got news correct.

Your other propaganda channel trying to put lipstick on a pig on the Kraken flip is delusional.
She has to truthfully answer ANY QUESTIONS posed to her at trial about ANY PART of the case, not just the things she plead guilty to.

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:02 am
by cradleandshoot
Kismet wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:39 am Good for Faux News that they FINALLY got news correct.

Your other propaganda channel trying to put lipstick on a pig on the Kraken flip is delusional.
She has to truthfully answer ANY QUESTIONS posed to her at trial about ANY PART of the case, not just the things she plead guilty to.
There is always the HRC response... I don't recall, I don't remember... Amnesia is quite common when testifying under oath. Im asking this to the legal eagles on this forum. If you make a statement to the prosecutors are you legally obligated to testify to that in court?

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:29 am
by Kismet
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:02 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:39 am Good for Faux News that they FINALLY got news correct.

Your other propaganda channel trying to put lipstick on a pig on the Kraken flip is delusional.
She has to truthfully answer ANY QUESTIONS posed to her at trial about ANY PART of the case, not just the things she plead guilty to.
There is always the HRC response... I don't recall, I don't remember... Amnesia is quite common when testifying under oath. Im asking this to the legal eagles on this forum. If you make a statement to the prosecutors are you legally obligated to testify to that in court?
If she doesn't testify truthfully the deal is OFF and off the jail she goes and her guilty plea stands. I don't recall isn't going to cut it.
Very likely, they have likely already discussed her testimony.

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:46 am
by Seacoaster(1)
Kismet wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:29 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:02 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:39 am Good for Faux News that they FINALLY got news correct.

Your other propaganda channel trying to put lipstick on a pig on the Kraken flip is delusional.
She has to truthfully answer ANY QUESTIONS posed to her at trial about ANY PART of the case, not just the things she plead guilty to.
There is always the HRC response... I don't recall, I don't remember... Amnesia is quite common when testifying under oath. Im asking this to the legal eagles on this forum. If you make a statement to the prosecutors are you legally obligated to testify to that in court?
If she doesn't testify truthfully the deal is OFF and off the jail she goes.
C&S doesn’t read. This is exactly why I asked the question about the proffer. They know her testimony already. Try to keep up?

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:55 am
by Kismet
youthathletics wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:21 pm
a fan wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:17 pm
Kismet wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:11 am Sidney Powell just pled guilty before Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee to 6 counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with the performance of election duties.

Trump lawyer Sidney Powell has cut a plea deal and is expected to plead guilty in Georgia one day before her trial begins. She has agreed to testify in future proceedings as part of the plea deal. Fulton County prosecutors are recommending a sentence of six years probation. Powell will also be required to testify at future trials and write an apology letter to the citizens of Georgia.

As part of her guilty plea, Powell is admitting her role in the January 2021 breach of election systems in rural Coffee County, Georgia. With the help of local GOP officials, a group of Trump supporters accessed and copied information from the county’s election systems in hopes of somehow proving that the election was rigged against Trump.

She has agreed to testify in future proceedings as part of the plea deal.


Orange fatso must be apoplectic and the Kraken will now apparently be released on HIM. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Don't tell YA and Old Salt. They think it's ok to break laws, and the Dems are bad for daring to prosecute these majestic Republicans, and this makes Republican voters vote for (checks notes) convicted felons.

Makes perfect sense.
:lol: On a roll today, I see.

The good think, is that she is on standby to testify. Wonder who she conspired with? Nice to see how they continue to overcharge people so they can get something in the end.
Just checking. Are you a lawyer qualified to declare prosecutors overcharging? Or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn?

I suspect they charged based on the evidence they had and which they considered likely to succeed at trial.

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:17 am
by Farfromgeneva
Why don’t the folks want the same punishment for Jan 6 rioters and treasonous cats as Ed Norton dishes out to the guy who broke into his house in their favorite movie American History X? (Just stopping the movie at the part where Norton understands humanity and his own issues then starting backup when the little brother brings a gun to school and shoots the kid who doesn’t look like him)

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:19 am
by cradleandshoot
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:46 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:29 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:02 am
Kismet wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:39 am Good for Faux News that they FINALLY got news correct.

Your other propaganda channel trying to put lipstick on a pig on the Kraken flip is delusional.
She has to truthfully answer ANY QUESTIONS posed to her at trial about ANY PART of the case, not just the things she plead guilty to.
There is always the HRC response... I don't recall, I don't remember... Amnesia is quite common when testifying under oath. Im asking this to the legal eagles on this forum. If you make a statement to the prosecutors are you legally obligated to testify to that in court?
If she doesn't testify truthfully the deal is OFF and off the jail she goes.
C&S doesn’t read. This is exactly why I asked the question about the proffer. They know her testimony already. Try to keep up?
I read very well counselor. My past experience tells me reading posts from certain dumbass posters is simply a waste of my time. :roll:
FTR counselor they also knew what Ollie North was going to testify to.

Until she raises her hand and testifies under oath none of what she says is worth diddly. The rats do tend to jump ship when they know it is sinking. I don't think she is a stupid person. A smart lawyer would never put their backside on the line for someone like trump.

Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:25 am
by Farfromgeneva
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Sep 14, 2023 6:21 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 5:27 pm
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 4:50 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 4:23 pm I care a lot less about cradle's Rugg = HCR comments than I do youth's apparent (because he posted it here) equivalence of people protesting a discontinuance of HIV/AIDS funding with people attempting to stop the Constitutional obligation to count valid Electoral College submissions by the states. In fact, I don't care one bit about cradle's comments but care completely about youth's.

To quote Natty and bring this back to one of the important challenges rational American's face, "Yeah, I already know they all seem the same to you. That's one of the big problems this country faces, Trump and (R) acolytes falsely equivocating different events and people. Gives you all a fake excuse to justify your actions."
Agreed. We — YA — have just jettisoned any pretense toward discernment.
The difference, which seems to have failed you high highfalutin types, is that I get nuance, and see quite clearly how irrational people are. Further, the dumbing down of America.....that part you all conveniently compartmentalize and only use when it benefits your partisan stance or a jab at a fellow poster.

You and many others claim you do not participate in social media....well, I have a surprise for you, you are a significant minority in the world, the term is equivalent to a "Karen......a 'Boomer'. What I bring to the table is a glimpse into the world that votes based on the news clips of social media, the very 30 second clips, 240 character posts, that lead them to their vote. Sure, blame it on trump....he invented the internet. And yet, we are fine with saying Zuck or Musk can do what they want with their own business. Discernment is not partisan.....you all should give it a shot yourselves.

Continue the stabs in the back, while making the assumption that b/c I post something, it is who I am and what I believe. The self affirming nescience by many around here is so often on full display, the inability to dig deeper than an immediate attack.

Carry on.
They will continue to stab you in the back because they are too cowardly to look you in the eye.... ;)
Oh please. Such idiocy.