Orange Duce

[seacoaster]

The case against the Post by the kid from Kentucky dismissed:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... 583279a73e

"A federal judge in Kentucky on Friday dismissed a $250 million libel suit against The Washington Post brought by a high school student who claimed that the organization’s coverage of his and his fellow students’ encounter with an American Indian activist at the Lincoln Memorial in January was false and defamatory.

U.S. District Judge William O. Bertelsman ruled that seven Post articles and three of its tweets bearing on Nicholas Sandmann — who was part of a group of Catholic students from Kentucky who came to Washington to march against abortion — were protected by the First Amendment. In analyzing the 33 statements over which Sandmann sued, the judge found none of them defamatory; instead, the vast majority constituted opinion, he said.

“Few principles of law are as well-established as the rule that statements of opinion are not actionable in libel actions,” Bertelsman wrote, adding that the rule is based on First Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech. “The statements that Sandmann challenges constitute protected opinions that may not form the basis for a defamation claim.”

Sandmann’s parents, who brought the suit on their son’s behalf, said they would appeal. “I believe fighting for justice for my son and family is of vital national importance,” Ted Sandmann said in a statement. “If what was done to Nicholas is not legally actionable, then no one is safe.”

The "opinion" argument MAY fly if washPost actually published NEWS only type stories. Did it? Are they even today, publishing "news only" type stories?

Shameful that Sandmann's lawyers couldn't see this elephant in the Judges legal chambers and get ahead of it. Idiots.
Guess they don't "read" hustler. (opinion defense)

Also shameful that you champion this poor legal decision, based on your tRumps hateful/inciteful comments, (which many are) but have the complete opposite view when death threats against a HS kid are to be laughed off. Huh?????

Why is judge bertelsman decision horrible? His own hypocritical words

Sandmann’s suit called The Post’s coverage libelous on its face, but the judge’s opinion cited case law noting that statements must be “more than annoying, offensive or embarrassing.” They must expose the allegedly libeled party to public hatred, ridicule and contempt, among other damaging elements.

What the heck is this clown (judge) talking about. (oopss, forgot, Sandmanns lawyers are lazy ) There isn't a littany of evidence showing public hatred, ridicule and contempt? Are death threats considered "damaging elements"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyNp1IwuP2A

Again, Sandmann's lawyer suck.......get new ones when you appeal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... 1805030dae

I think you need to read my post more carefully; I haven’t “championed” anything. I just sent along the article URL and an excerpt. You seem to have an agenda — but I can never really understand what it is.

[runrussellrun]

Besides the MAGA hats, what part of this libel lawsuit has to do with tRump? I would say it is YOU that has the agenda, placing the "case thrown out" story on THIS thread, instead of a more appropriate one.

Unless your point is, just like tRump, grown ups can and do, spread hate. Threaten to kill them. Burn the school down. And get away with it. Like tRump. THe agenda ball lies firmly in your court.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Besides the MAGA hats, what part of this libel lawsuit has to do with tRump? I would say it is YOU that has the agenda, placing the "case thrown out" story on THIS thread, instead of a more appropriate one.

Unless your point is, just like tRump, grown ups can and do, spread hate. Threaten to kill them. Burn the school down. And get away with it. Like tRump. THe agenda ball lies firmly in your court.

His father should have put a foot in his *ss.

[a fan]

Besides the MAGA hats, what part of this libel lawsuit has to do with tRump? I would say it is YOU that has the agenda, placing the "case thrown out" story on THIS thread, instead of a more appropriate one.

Unless your point is, just like tRump, grown ups can and do, spread hate. Threaten to kill them. Burn the school down. And get away with it. Like tRump. THe agenda ball lies firmly in your court.

Why didn't the kid sue Covington Catholic and the Catholic Church? They made the same mistake the WaPo did.

[RedFromMI]

Yeah judge , don't read the comments on the washPost article. None of them fit the conditions you set forth for it to be libel:

They must expose the allegedly libeled party to public hatred, ridicule and contempt, among other damaging elements.

yup....very few of the almost 3,000 comments is factual (homophobic, racits black isrealites ), nothing but hatred, ridicule and contempt. (except comments like PHILLY MAN ) What is the judges "test" to show his words above? Opinions, that the public hates him. huh//??????

Well, of course, the washPost doesn't evah cull the comments section......so there's that?

The legal standard that the judge is _correctly_ using is regarding to what the Post published in the article. The comment section is not a part of that standard, although it might conceivably be used to show public attitude. But that was not shaped by false statements in the WaPo article - the article does not lie about the event in question. The real negative information comes in the form of a quote from the Native American, who made his opinion known (and because it was his opinion would not be considered libelous on its own).

[Bandito]

Trump is 100 percent right about Baltimore:

Last 3 Baltimore mayors

- Sheila Dixon: Convicted of stealing gift cards from the poor

- Stephanie Rawlings-Blake: Stepped down after promoting the Baltimore Riots

- Catherine Pugh: Raided by FBI for taking bribes

All Democrats

None care about the people living there!

[seacoaster]

Besides the MAGA hats, what part of this libel lawsuit has to do with tRump? I would say it is YOU that has the agenda, placing the "case thrown out" story on THIS thread, instead of a more appropriate one.

Unless your point is, just like tRump, grown ups can and do, spread hate. Threaten to kill them. Burn the school down. And get away with it. Like tRump. THe agenda ball lies firmly in your court.

I think at least one of the points you are trying to make is probably right. I should have posted this on the Fourth Estate thread, although the MAGA hat loomed pretty large for a good many people witnessing this event from afar.

[MDlaxfan76]

Baltimore has indeed been ill-served by a series of Mayors over the past two decades.
Two were indeed guilty of some rather petty corruption, but IMO the real problem is that the moneyed real estate interests pull all the strings. Those interests are predominantly white, while the city is not. So, the money 'buys' the politicians they want.

IMO, we haven't had a truly 'great' Mayor since Willie Don Schaefer whose tenure was 1971-1987, before he moved to Annapolis as Governor for which he was less well-suited.

Schaefer took over a Baltimore reeling from decades of redlining, the riots of the late '60's, and white flight. He managed to persuade the business community to support a rejuvenated waterfront while also investing in neighborhood rehabilitation working from the water outward. He walked the alleys, filled the potholes, picked up the trash. A tremendous cheerleader for the city, he made people believe it was possible to recover from the heritage of redlining, while not directly addressing 'race' head on.

He was a Democrat.

Baltimore hasn't had a GOP Mayor in 5 decades as the city is overwhelmingly Democratic. It's a one-party system, the only question is who is the best candidate from within the party.

When I say the 'money' has bought the pols, the policy choices that have resulted have provided enormous tax breaks to major commercial developments while underinvesting in neighborhoods, policing, and education. Making this even worse has been decades of police corruption.

Nevertheless, it's a terrific city, with areas that are wonderful and with loads and loads of people of all backgrounds who work hard to raise their families to be great American citizens, following the American Dream.

Unfortunately, the ghettoization of poverty is also very real. And the results of that, and the depredations of misbegotten federal drug policy, have meant huge #'s of incarcerated men, with mom's and grandma's struggling to raise the kids.

[youthathletics]

Even ole’ Bernie called it back in 2015. Yea....Trump is always the bad guy. Remember......Trump Is a closet democrat.

Look what I found on Twitter TLD.

https://twitter.com/trumpwarroom/status ... 83172?s=21

[Typical Lax Dad]

Even ole’ Bernie called it back in 2015. Yea....Trump is always the bad guy. Remember......Trump Is a closet democrat.

Look what I found on Twitter TLD.

https://twitter.com/trumpwarroom/status ... 83172?s=21

Won't bother looking. Bernie has demonstrated a pattern of denigrating people?

[Brooklyn]

Gee, Baltimore can't be that bad a place - after all, it gave us Spiro T Agnew, spokesman for America:

[Matnum PI]

It's true. Trump is being singled out. But not due to hypocrisy. It's due to his history of flagrant racism. Similarly, if you're being called a racist, it's not because you're saying the truth. It's because you're seemingly defending this racist.

[RedFromMI]

It's true. Trump is being singled out. But not due to hypocrisy. It's due to his history of flagrant racism. Similarly, if you're being called a racist, it's not because you're saying the truth. It's because you're seemingly defending this racist.

Amen to that. Trump is just ratcheting up the dialog even more - now using the term "infested" (as in rat infested or crime infested) to describe urban areas that are predominately minority... You don't see him calling rural areas with loads of opiate addiction issues fentanyl infested, or oxy infested...

Gee, when was that terminology used before? Maybe by those talking about Jews in WWII? By the Nazis?

[seacoaster]

And rewarding early party members and followers? He was with Trump during the putsch?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 6b6152e2ac

"Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Tex.), President Trump’s pick to serve as the next director of national intelligence, has made his name in Congress as one of the GOP’s most dogged critics of perceived anti-Trump bias at the FBI and in the special counsel’s investigation of his alleged Russia ties.

Ratcliffe, who was first elected to the House in 2014, sits on the powerful House Judiciary and Intelligence committees, both of which are investigating Trump for suspected financial crimes, foreign collusion and obstruction of justice. It is from that perch that Ratcliffe last week steered one of the more memorable Republican exchanges with former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III during public hearings, accusing him of violating “every principle in the most sacred of traditions” of prosecutors by writing “180 pages about decisions that weren’t reached, about potential crimes that weren’t charged or decided.”

Ratcliffe has not denied that Russians meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign. And before Trump came along, he, too, was allied with more classic Republican conservatives, serving as an aide to former presidential candidate and current Sen. Mitt Romney (Utah) during his presidential campaign, helping scout potential Cabinet picks.

Yet in recent years, Ratcliffe has been one of the GOP’s leading voices alleging that bias at the FBI corrupted investigations of Trump’s alleged Russia ties and Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state. He also has alleged to Mueller that although Russian meddling is a serious matter, it may have benefited Clinton more than Trump.

Mueller isn’t the first senior federal official Ratcliffe has accused of running an investigation biased against the president. Even before Trump was elected, he did the same with then-FBI Director James B. Comey, excoriating him in September 2016 for allowing Clinton’s lawyers to be present for her interview during the bureau’s investigation of her use of the private email server."

[ggait]

As usual, Trump's "strategery" consists of sitting around watching TV and then tweeting out whatever Fox serves up to his dim wits and two thumbs.

Fox & Friends ran a story on Cummings Baltimore district on Saturday morning, and then Trump tweets it out within an hour.

It seems wrong to call Fox state run TV. Since it appears that Fox owns/controls Trump rather than the other way around.

Beyond weird.

[Matnum PI]

Not so weird. In the GOP world, the media voice is relatively uniform and FOX's voice pretty closely mirrors, if not is, this voice. So, like the student who stole the answers to the test, when the teacher says, Why did Lieutenant Cornwall attack the political dissenters in 1756?, the student reads directly from the cheat sheet and says, The reason why Lieutenant Cornwall attacked the political dissenters in 1756 is etc.. If you literally parrot the teacher, you'll be accused of being a parrot but the teacher will still give you an A.

[a fan]

Here's the racist part when it comes to Baltimore: if President Trump thinks it's in such poor shape, where's the money?

He flippantly gave farmers $30+ Billion dollars for no reason. Guess what color they are? (Well, admittedly, the Brazilian and Chinese companies that got a nice hunk of that money weren't even American, but I digress).

So where is the financial help for Baltimore from Trump? Oh, right, they're the wrong color, and don't get his help. They get his derision.


I told the board that Republicans would find ways to fund socialism and money to whitey (or rural America, if you prefer), while leaving Urban America to its own devices. That Farm money is case in point.

Anyone notice all that money for Opioid Addiction? That's odd. They didn't handle things quite the same way when drugs hit black Americans....more jail, three strikes you're out, mandatory minimums. "It's their choice to take those drugs, remember".

Odd, I'm not hearing any of that when it comes to Opioids, and I can't square why. Gee, what a mystery.

Except Trump---Trump called for the Death Penalty to be reinstated for Opioid offenses. Tip of the hat to him on that account. Treating drug addicted soccer moms like we treated black crack users would be quite the eye opener for white Americans....

[youthathletics]

Here's the racist part when it comes to Baltimore: if President Trump thinks it's in such poor shape, where's the money?

He flippantly gave farmers $30+ Billion dollars for no reason. Guess what color they are? (Well, admittedly, the Brazilian and Chinese companies that got a nice hunk of that money weren't even American, but I digress).

So where is the financial help for Baltimore from Trump? Oh, right, they're the wrong color, and don't get his help. They get his derision.

Trump is a racist: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... n-council/

[CU88]

Reminder:

What provoked Trump's attacks on Cummings?

New facts about crime or poverty in Baltimore? Nope.

It was that Cummings' committee voted to subpoena work-related texts and emails on personal accounts by WH officials, including Ivanka and Jared.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Here's the racist part when it comes to Baltimore: if President Trump thinks it's in such poor shape, where's the money?

He flippantly gave farmers $30+ Billion dollars for no reason. Guess what color they are? (Well, admittedly, the Brazilian and Chinese companies that got a nice hunk of that money weren't even American, but I digress).

So where is the financial help for Baltimore from Trump? Oh, right, they're the wrong color, and don't get his help. They get his derision.

Trump is a racist: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... n-council/

Only black people live in poor neighborhoods? Not sure how an ongoing program proves something one way or the other.