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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:51 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:32 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:27 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:38 am PB either has a hard on for Ron or perhaps his wife, whose looks he has repeatedly complimented.

Hard to explain otherwise, except for his all in all the time Red team partisan trolling.

Sigh. Beneath a Gilman/Dartmouth man. If you can't refute the facts, argue sexual attraction? Really? I hope this was said in jest, but lacking an emoji I can't tell.

It was indeed said in jest, however, PB has made repeated comments about Ron's wife's looks.

He definitely has a proverbial "hard-on" for Ron. Maybe he's his cousin, maybe Ron stroked him some contracts, I really don't know.

Of course, it also could be entirely Red Team trolling and not personal at all.

On "refute the facts", we've repeatedly taken exception to PB's extreme spin re Ron, and have attempted to reasonably address some of the worst of that spin. I've been particularly clear that I've been rooting for Florida to do well in the management of this problem. Positive actions have been applauded, mistakes (IMO) have been challenged.

But PB will stand for zero critique.

And, yeah, there's a quite serious concern that DeSantis is trying to quash data, spin data, to try to manage public perception of his performance instead of clear transparency. Maybe we're overly suspicious about that given his apparent affinity for Trump, who clearly lies at every turn, attempts to suppress information, attacks those who ask difficult, but important, questions. But Ron appears to be too willing to go the same path.

Nevertheless, I'm still rooting for Florida to do well!

However, the biggest mistake these Trumpist folks are making is to not model for their citizens the best personal practices necessary to actually move the country forward without major rebound in infections and deaths. This is a long distance race, not a sprint, and they would be helping their citizens far more by projecting the seriousness of the ongoing challenge rather than preening in short term 'success' as people die.

Good to know. My crack about Gilman/Dartmouth was probably a little harsh. I passed the entrance exam at Gilman at my Dad's insistence but decided I liked going to school with the fairer sex. Speaking of the fairer sex, this girl was a hero of the left a few days ago. Now, not so much.

https://weartv.com/news/local/desantis- ... nt-charges

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:51 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:32 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:27 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:38 am PB either has a hard on for Ron or perhaps his wife, whose looks he has repeatedly complimented.

Hard to explain otherwise, except for his all in all the time Red team partisan trolling.

Sigh. Beneath a Gilman/Dartmouth man. If you can't refute the facts, argue sexual attraction? Really? I hope this was said in jest, but lacking an emoji I can't tell.

It was indeed said in jest, however, PB has made repeated comments about Ron's wife's looks.

He definitely has a proverbial "hard-on" for Ron. Maybe he's his cousin, maybe Ron stroked him some contracts, I really don't know.

Of course, it also could be entirely Red Team trolling and not personal at all.

On "refute the facts", we've repeatedly taken exception to PB's extreme spin re Ron, and have attempted to reasonably address some of the worst of that spin. I've been particularly clear that I've been rooting for Florida to do well in the management of this problem. Positive actions have been applauded, mistakes (IMO) have been challenged.

But PB will stand for zero critique.

And, yeah, there's a quite serious concern that DeSantis is trying to quash data, spin data, to try to manage public perception of his performance instead of clear transparency. Maybe we're overly suspicious about that given his apparent affinity for Trump, who clearly lies at every turn, attempts to suppress information, attacks those who ask difficult, but important, questions. But Ron appears to be too willing to go the same path.

Nevertheless, I'm still rooting for Florida to do well!

However, the biggest mistake these Trumpist folks are making is to not model for their citizens the best personal practices necessary to actually move the country forward without major rebound in infections and deaths. This is a long distance race, not a sprint, and they would be helping their citizens far more by projecting the seriousness of the ongoing challenge rather than preening in short term 'success' as people die.

Given some of Pete's past and continuing unflattering comments about women from time to time,if I were him I would install a GPS sensor on all the frying pans his spouse has access to.

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Given some of Pete's past and continuing unflattering comments about women from time to time,if I were him I would install a GPS sensor on all the frying pans his spouse has access to.
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Sometimes women deserve unflattering comments. I personally believe spandex should be illegal for anything over a size 8.

BTW, comforting to know your liberal friends just want to make sure you made it home from your lockdown protest safely. This couldn't be about anything else, could it?

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/group-use ... n-rallies/

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

Pete -- as a non-Floridian, I'd be interested in your take on this piece. Scientists on Florida's relatively good experience.

The cell phone data shows that while politicians debated stay-at-home orders, FL residents took matters into their own hands. They self locked-down weeks before it was ordered.

The scientists also point to some other good cards FL was dealt -- car-based suburban sprawl, heat/humidity, outdoor sunshine, being in a later stage and so having more time to react than first wave hot spots like NY and WA.

Can you share what things Gov D implemented that might have slowed the spread? In particular, what did he do with FL's large elder care population? All I hear about is that he didn't close the beaches. While that might not have hurt as much as expected, that wouldn't really help anything.

I have no dog in this fight, but the picture I get from this is that RD may be just playing better-than-expected cards.

I also see Gov D just fired his Covid data person. What's up with that?

ggait wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:43 am https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

Pete -- as a non-Floridian, I'd be interested in your take on this piece. Scientists on Florida's relatively good experience.

The cell phone data shows that while politicians debated stay-at-home orders, FL residents took matters into their own hands. They self locked-down weeks before it was ordered.

The scientists also point to some other good cards FL was dealt -- car-based suburban sprawl, heat/humidity, outdoor sunshine, being in a later stage and so having more time to react than first wave hot spots like NY and WA.

Can you share what things Gov D implemented that might have slowed the spread? In particular, what did he do with FL's large elder care population? All I hear about is that he didn't close the beaches. While that might not have hurt as much as expected, that wouldn't really help anything.

I have no dog in this fight, but the picture I get from this is that RD may be just playing better-than-expected cards.

I also see Gov D just fired his Covid data person. What's up with that?

GG - See below from my earlier post.

https://weartv.com/news/local/desantis- ... nt-charges

FTA:

DeSantis said Jones is not a scientist. He said she had degrees in journalism, communications, and geography. He also said she's not the chief architect of the web portal.

"She was putting data on the portal which the scientists didn't believe was valid data," DeSantis said. "So she didn't listen to the people who were her superiors."

The governor said the dashboard data is transparent.

"Any insinuation otherwise is just typical partisan narrative trying to be spun," DeSantis said.

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:26 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:51 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:32 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:27 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:38 am PB either has a hard on for Ron or perhaps his wife, whose looks he has repeatedly complimented.

Hard to explain otherwise, except for his all in all the time Red team partisan trolling.

Sigh. Beneath a Gilman/Dartmouth man. If you can't refute the facts, argue sexual attraction? Really? I hope this was said in jest, but lacking an emoji I can't tell.

It was indeed said in jest, however, PB has made repeated comments about Ron's wife's looks.

He definitely has a proverbial "hard-on" for Ron. Maybe he's his cousin, maybe Ron stroked him some contracts, I really don't know.

Of course, it also could be entirely Red Team trolling and not personal at all.

On "refute the facts", we've repeatedly taken exception to PB's extreme spin re Ron, and have attempted to reasonably address some of the worst of that spin. I've been particularly clear that I've been rooting for Florida to do well in the management of this problem. Positive actions have been applauded, mistakes (IMO) have been challenged.

But PB will stand for zero critique.

And, yeah, there's a quite serious concern that DeSantis is trying to quash data, spin data, to try to manage public perception of his performance instead of clear transparency. Maybe we're overly suspicious about that given his apparent affinity for Trump, who clearly lies at every turn, attempts to suppress information, attacks those who ask difficult, but important, questions. But Ron appears to be too willing to go the same path.

Nevertheless, I'm still rooting for Florida to do well!

However, the biggest mistake these Trumpist folks are making is to not model for their citizens the best personal practices necessary to actually move the country forward without major rebound in infections and deaths. This is a long distance race, not a sprint, and they would be helping their citizens far more by projecting the seriousness of the ongoing challenge rather than preening in short term 'success' as people die.

Given some of Pete's past and continuing unflattering comments about women from time to time,if I were him I would install a GPS sensor on all the frying pans his spouse has access to.

Just ftr, I pick on MD for his previous partisan posts about how DeSantis was 'awful and was seeding Covid all over America because of the beaches', when what DeSantis was doing (not that anyone who follows the MSM would ever know) was locking down nursing homes. The proof is in the numbers.

And let's be honest: most Dems, libs, and NeverTrumpers are legitimately bummed out that more Floridians did not die because it would have made their predictions come true so they could 'dance on DeSantis' political grave' which is what it was really all about. And I know MD will come on here and do the Greta 'how dare you', but it's plainly obvious what the end game is.

And if you need proof (we don't but let's play along) how libs/Dems/NeverTrumpers are dishonest, look how we react differently to the same circumstances:

1. I would not say Cuomo is an 'awful' human being. MD: 'DeSantis is awful, look he's trying to quash data'; DeSantis has nothing to do with the data

2. I have not said Cuomo is a liar. MD: 'DeSantis is prone to lying because he likes Trump'; is Cuomo prone to lying because his brother Chris lies all the time?

Libs/Dems/NeverTrumpers resort to personal insults all the time (here and everywhere) because their arguments are weak, and when your arguments er built on sand, you get frustrated. Their arguments are weak because their information sources are biased. Their information sources are biased because most journo's are Democratic partisans. The circle is complete.

Ahhhh well. My state is back at work and restaurants are hopping, and our death rate is comically lower than NY/MA/IL/NJ/MD and so forth, and we have the highest percentage of elderly! How do you like them apples? Debate the facts, not the hypotheses. DeSantis will come out of this much better than any other governor in the country, and that drives libs/Dems/NeverTrumpers insane.

Critics hit Florida governor over lack of 'sweeping' coronavirus response

The Miami Herald editorial board wrote a scathing indictment of DeSantis' handling of the crisis to date on Sunday. Headlined "Coronavirus is killing us in Florida, Gov. DeSantis. Act like you give a damn," it read (in part):With Florida's economy crashing under the weight of the coronavirus pandemic, Gov. Ron DeSantis is working overtime to preserve our status as the world's leading exporter of political comedy....

Former Vice President Joe Biden, who is expected to court Florida voters during the 2020 campaign, hit DeSantis on Wednesday, saying the governor has neglected to take “strong, urgent, and sweeping action" to stop the spread of the virus in the state.

I don’t think you would have talked to anyone who didn’t a few months ago think this was one of the most popular governors in America,” a Florida Democratic strategist said. “I think this guy has made himself probably one of the most vulnerable governors in America.”

Wasserman Schultz isn’t alone in questioning the Republican governor. Jennifer Rubin, a conservative opinion writer at the Washington Post, wondered Thursday on Twitter why, “when so many govs are doing exemplary work what is the excuse for govs in Texas and Fla? Their constituents are being put at risk, but all of us are as well.”

And there's so much more.

ggait wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:43 am https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

Pete -- as a non-Floridian, I'd be interested in your take on this piece. Scientists on Florida's relatively good experience.

The cell phone data shows that while politicians debated stay-at-home orders, FL residents took matters into their own hands. They self locked-down weeks before it was ordered.

The scientists also point to some other good cards FL was dealt -- car-based suburban sprawl, heat/humidity, outdoor sunshine, being in a later stage and so having more time to react than first wave hot spots like NY and WA.

Can you share what things Gov D implemented that might have slowed the spread? In particular, what did he do with FL's large elder care population? All I hear about is that he didn't close the beaches. While that might not have hurt as much as expected, that wouldn't really help anything.

I have no dog in this fight, but the picture I get from this is that RD may be just playing better-than-expected cards.

I also see Gov D just fired his Covid data person. What's up with that?

So let me say that we Floridians indeed have had some luck, as all fortunate outcomes do. Let me also say that the Tampa Bay Times' staff is made up of by almost 100% partisan Democrats, so they have done something here which to the outside eye would probably escape you but whose sole purpose is to denigrate DeSantis.

The TB Times wants you to believe DeSantis had nothing to do with saving lives, but in fact, HE HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH SAVING LIVES WITH HIS NURSING HOME AND ASSISTED LIVING ORDERS EARLY ON.

Because we are not allowed to discuss hard truths in this country apparently, it escapes most people's grasp that Covid is fatal almost exclusively for people over 70 years of age (and even then, mostly for those 80 or over), or those with compromised immune systems. If you choose to be an honest player here, you 'd recognize that basic fact first and proceed from there.

The media's business model is advertising so they want to promote hysteria and fear. Unfortunately too many Americans fall for it. DeSantis didn't. so that further inflamed the TB Times, the NYTImes, ABC/CBS/NBC/ Joe/Mika, Dems, libs, MDLax, njbill, a fan, and all the others. And the outcome has even further angered them, so the priority now is to get DeSantis in other ways (an employee on the dashboard team was fired, we are lucky, wait to see what happens in 6 months, etc...)

What did he do? Well he did a ton, and this article should describe most of what he did right and what Cuomo did wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/coronav ... oy-murdock

1. staff tested at all elderly facilities prior to checking in for work in March
2. extra ppe
3. golf cart drive up free testing for residents

and on and on and on...

When the final book is written on this era, Ron DeSantis will enjoy popularity ratings not seen by many Republicans. The guy did everything correctly.

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:39 am

Given some of Pete's past and continuing unflattering comments about women from time to time,if I were him I would install a GPS sensor on all the frying pans his spouse has access to.
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Sometimes women deserve unflattering comments. I personally believe spandex should be illegal for anything over a size 8.

BTW, comforting to know your liberal friends just want to make sure you made it home from your lockdown protest safely. This couldn't be about anything else, could it?

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/group-use ... n-rallies/
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It is scary and sad both that progressives use scare tactics and intimidation of honest taxpayers exercising their free speech to do things like this. Sane people in the Democratic Party should denounce it, but of course they won't.

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:53 am

ggait wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:43 am https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... e-told-to/

Pete -- as a non-Floridian, I'd be interested in your take on this piece. Scientists on Florida's relatively good experience.

The cell phone data shows that while politicians debated stay-at-home orders, FL residents took matters into their own hands. They self locked-down weeks before it was ordered.

The scientists also point to some other good cards FL was dealt -- car-based suburban sprawl, heat/humidity, outdoor sunshine, being in a later stage and so having more time to react than first wave hot spots like NY and WA.

Can you share what things Gov D implemented that might have slowed the spread? In particular, what did he do with FL's large elder care population? All I hear about is that he didn't close the beaches. While that might not have hurt as much as expected, that wouldn't really help anything.

I have no dog in this fight, but the picture I get from this is that RD may be just playing better-than-expected cards.

I also see Gov D just fired his Covid data person. What's up with that?

GG - See below from my earlier post.

https://weartv.com/news/local/desantis- ... nt-charges

FTA:

DeSantis said Jones is not a scientist. He said she had degrees in journalism, communications, and geography. He also said she's not the chief architect of the web portal.

"She was putting data on the portal which the scientists didn't believe was valid data," DeSantis said. "So she didn't listen to the people who were her superiors."

The governor said the dashboard data is transparent.

"Any insinuation otherwise is just typical partisan narrative trying to be spun," DeSantis said.

If you read between the lines, Rebekah is a nutter who doesn't play well with others. She's not even a partisan, just an out and out nutter.

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:39 am Sometimes women deserve unflattering comments. I personally believe spandex should be illegal for anything over a size 8.

BTW, comforting to know your liberal friends just want to make sure you made it home from your lockdown protest safely. This couldn't be about anything else, could it?

I don't categorize my friends by their political stripes. You just made an awfully big assumption about me which, in and of itself, is quite presumptuous of you as if implying that you know I'd have an any issue with the link you posted (which I don't). Individual rights should not be dependent on your political views.

Do you have the same fashion rules for overweight men wearing Beater tees?

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:26 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:51 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:32 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 8:27 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:38 am PB either has a hard on for Ron or perhaps his wife, whose looks he has repeatedly complimented.

Hard to explain otherwise, except for his all in all the time Red team partisan trolling.

Sigh. Beneath a Gilman/Dartmouth man. If you can't refute the facts, argue sexual attraction? Really? I hope this was said in jest, but lacking an emoji I can't tell.

It was indeed said in jest, however, PB has made repeated comments about Ron's wife's looks.

He definitely has a proverbial "hard-on" for Ron. Maybe he's his cousin, maybe Ron stroked him some contracts, I really don't know.

Of course, it also could be entirely Red Team trolling and not personal at all.

On "refute the facts", we've repeatedly taken exception to PB's extreme spin re Ron, and have attempted to reasonably address some of the worst of that spin. I've been particularly clear that I've been rooting for Florida to do well in the management of this problem. Positive actions have been applauded, mistakes (IMO) have been challenged.

But PB will stand for zero critique.

And, yeah, there's a quite serious concern that DeSantis is trying to quash data, spin data, to try to manage public perception of his performance instead of clear transparency. Maybe we're overly suspicious about that given his apparent affinity for Trump, who clearly lies at every turn, attempts to suppress information, attacks those who ask difficult, but important, questions. But Ron appears to be too willing to go the same path.

Nevertheless, I'm still rooting for Florida to do well!

However, the biggest mistake these Trumpist folks are making is to not model for their citizens the best personal practices necessary to actually move the country forward without major rebound in infections and deaths. This is a long distance race, not a sprint, and they would be helping their citizens far more by projecting the seriousness of the ongoing challenge rather than preening in short term 'success' as people die.

Given some of Pete's past and continuing unflattering comments about women from time to time,if I were him I would install a GPS sensor on all the frying pans his spouse has access to.

I would only be concerned about the cast iron Lodge pans.

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 10:40 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:39 am Sometimes women deserve unflattering comments. I personally believe spandex should be illegal for anything over a size 8.

BTW, comforting to know your liberal friends just want to make sure you made it home from your lockdown protest safely. This couldn't be about anything else, could it?

I don't categorize my friends by their political stripes. You just made an awfully big assumption about me which, in and of itself, is quite presumptuous of you as if implying that you know I'd have an any issue with the link you posted (which I don't). Individual rights should not be dependent on your political views.

Do you have the same fashion rules for overweight men wearing Beater tees?

"Do you have the same fashion rules for overweight men wearing Beater tees?"

What a racist hate filled stereotype. Looks like one of our FLP cumquats needs some sensitivity training. The folks at Hanes and Fruit of the Loom will be in touch with your lawyers post haste. Your a hard core FLP, you should know better.

(omitted)

BTW, comforting to know your liberal friends just want to make sure you made it home from your lockdown protest safely. This couldn't be about anything else, could it?

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/group-use ... n-rallies/

It is scary and sad both that progressives use scare tactics and intimidation of honest taxpayers exercising their free speech to do things like this. Sane people in the Democratic Party should denounce it, but of course they won't.

Another article that PB has not apparently read, or did not understand (NY Post). A progressive group used

anonymized location data from opt-in cellphone apps

and then data scientists at a firm that collects that data showed where the people attending the rallies ended up (presumably to return home).

More:

Following rallies opposing Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s lockdown orders in Lansing, Mich., on April 30, the devices fanned out to all parts of the state — from Detroit to towns in the northern part of the state.

Some crossed into Indiana.

The compiled data does not include any information that could identify a person.

The point was to show that these rallies were highly organized/astroturfed. But PB thinks it is nefarious to show that (even though the progressive group initiating the project would have no way of knowing the identity of anyone at the rally - and no way of determining that later).

6ftstick wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 10:06 am Critics hit Florida governor over lack of 'sweeping' coronavirus response

The Miami Herald editorial board wrote a scathing indictment of DeSantis' handling of the crisis to date on Sunday. Headlined "Coronavirus is killing us in Florida, Gov. DeSantis. Act like you give a damn," it read (in part):With Florida's economy crashing under the weight of the coronavirus pandemic, Gov. Ron DeSantis is working overtime to preserve our status as the world's leading exporter of political comedy....

Former Vice President Joe Biden, who is expected to court Florida voters during the 2020 campaign, hit DeSantis on Wednesday, saying the governor has neglected to take “strong, urgent, and sweeping action" to stop the spread of the virus in the state.

I don’t think you would have talked to anyone who didn’t a few months ago think this was one of the most popular governors in America,” a Florida Democratic strategist said. “I think this guy has made himself probably one of the most vulnerable governors in America.”

Wasserman Schultz isn’t alone in questioning the Republican governor. Jennifer Rubin, a conservative opinion writer at the Washington Post, wondered Thursday on Twitter why, “when so many govs are doing exemplary work what is the excuse for govs in Texas and Fla? Their constituents are being put at risk, but all of us are as well.”

And there's so much more.

Holy smokes, smokin Joe came out of his command bunker for some fresh air. He even put a couple of rational sentences together. BHO must have loaned him TOTUS.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 10:52 am

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BTW, comforting to know your liberal friends just want to make sure you made it home from your lockdown protest safely. This couldn't be about anything else, could it?

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/group-use ... n-rallies/

It is scary and sad both that progressives use scare tactics and intimidation of honest taxpayers exercising their free speech to do things like this. Sane people in the Democratic Party should denounce it, but of course they won't.

Another article that PB has not apparently read, or did not understand (NY Post). A progressive group used

anonymized location data from opt-in cellphone apps

and then data scientists at a firm that collects that data showed where the people attending the rallies ended up (presumably to return home).

More:

Following rallies opposing Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s lockdown orders in Lansing, Mich., on April 30, the devices fanned out to all parts of the state — from Detroit to towns in the northern part of the state.

Some crossed into Indiana.

The compiled data does not include any information that could identify a person.

The point was to show that these rallies were highly organized/astroturfed. But PB thinks it is nefarious to show that (even though the progressive group initiating the project would have no way of knowing the identity of anyone at the rally - and no way of determining that later).

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I will shut up now, i have already said too much.

When the final book is written on this era, Ron DeSantis will enjoy popularity ratings not seen by many Republicans. The guy did everything correctly.

Pete -- Come on, let's keep it real. Based on what I've seen, I think Ron gets a solid B+ GPA.

1. He's playing an easier hand than was dealt to other govs. FL density is 378; compare NJ 1,210, MD 619. Miami/Dade is 1,431. Newark is 12,000; NYC is 27,000; Manhattan is 67,000; Westchester County is 2,100. Second wave not first. Heat, humidity, sunshine. Cars -- no mass transit. Lots of elders (which is bad), but those elders trend more white and affluent than in other places (which is good). Nice to be lucky.

2. Ron did screw up the basic stay at home order. Cell phone data shows Floridians in no way relied on Ron's "leadership" here. FL schools started closing 3/13; Walt Disney World closed 3/15. By the time Ron's state-wide order went into effect on 4/3, FL had already locked itself down (no thanks to Ron) for two weeks. Ron was late/slow, but FL residents bailed him out of his mistake. And quite bad form for him to be spiking the football for something he didn't do. Grade F.

3. Ron did seem to do a great job handling all of Florida's elders, of which there are so many. That's ground zero for this disease. And that's where others (NYC, Sweden) have screwed the pooch. Grade A+.

I'd like to learn more of what Fl was doing here, because this fight is going to go on for a loooong time. Last night my wife and I were guessing when she'd next get to see her mom (assisted living facility) face-to-face. We both SWAG-ed next Spring -- like 10 months from now.

4. Not closing the beaches. Maybe it didn't hurt, but it didn't help either. So no grade. Just political spin going on here (from both sides).

Seem reasonable?

ggait wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:16 pm

When the final book is written on this era, Ron DeSantis will enjoy popularity ratings not seen by many Republicans. The guy did everything correctly.

Pete -- Come on, let's keep it real. Based on what I've seen, I think Ron gets a solid B+ GPA.

1. He's playing an easier hand than was dealt to other govs. FL density is 378; compare NJ 1,210, MD 619. Miami/Dade is 1,431. Newark is 12,000; NYC is 27,000; Manhattan is 67,000; Westchester County is 2,100. Second wave not first. Heat, humidity, sunshine. Cars -- no mass transit. Lots of elders (which is bad), but those elders trend more white and affluent than in other places (which is good). Nice to be lucky.

2. Ron did screw up the basic stay at home order. Cell phone data shows Floridians in no way relied on Ron's "leadership" here. FL schools started closing 3/13; Walt Disney World closed 3/15. By the time Ron's state-wide order went into effect on 4/3, FL had already locked itself down (no thanks to Ron) for two weeks. Ron was late/slow, but FL residents bailed him out of his mistake. And quite bad form for him to be spiking the football for something he didn't do. Grade F.

3. Ron did seem to do a great job handling all of Florida's elders, of which there are so many. That's ground zero for this disease. And that's where others (NYC, Sweden) have screwed the pooch. Grade A+.

I'd like to learn more of what Fl was doing here, because this fight is going to go on for a loooong time. Last night my wife and I were guessing when she'd next get to see her mom (assisted living facility) face-to-face. We both SWAG-ed next Spring -- like 10 months from now.

4. Not closing the beaches. Maybe it didn't hurt, but it didn't help either. So no grade. Just political spin going on here (from both sides).

Seem reasonable?

A couple of other points - beach closures or at least limitations on density on the beach should have happened in mid-March where the Spring Break crowds were in town. Fortunately for Florida, all those students went back home and carried most of whatever infections sprung up away from the state. My opinion is that RD should have acted at least on that, but given his credentials he was going to err on the side of the $$$ at that point.

Since I was actually in Palm Beach county during Spring Break I got to see the shutdown occurring first hand. The descriptions from someone I know of the scene at the Palm Beach Publix on Thursday and Friday, March 12 and 13 were wild - a sense of desperation setting in as people were flooding the store for provisions. No one there was waiting on the governor for action.

Also, it really helps to be a buddy of the OD. Florida basically had none of the problems securing necessary supplies from the feds, unlike other parts of the country.

ggait wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:16 pm

When the final book is written on this era, Ron DeSantis will enjoy popularity ratings not seen by many Republicans. The guy did everything correctly.

Pete -- Come on, let's keep it real. Based on what I've seen, I think Ron gets a solid B+ GPA.

1. He's playing an easier hand than was dealt to other govs. FL density is 378; compare NJ 1,210, MD 619. Miami/Dade is 1,431. Newark is 12,000; NYC is 27,000; Manhattan is 67,000; Westchester County is 2,100. Second wave not first. Heat, humidity, sunshine. Cars -- no mass transit. Lots of elders (which is bad), but those elders trend more white and affluent than in other places (which is good). Nice to be lucky.

2. Ron did screw up the basic stay at home order. Cell phone data shows Floridians in no way relied on Ron's "leadership" here. FL schools started closing 3/13; Walt Disney World closed 3/15. By the time Ron's state-wide order went into effect on 4/3, FL had already locked itself down (no thanks to Ron) for two weeks. Ron was late/slow, but FL residents bailed him out of his mistake. And quite bad form for him to be spiking the football for something he didn't do. Grade F.

3. Ron did seem to do a great job handling all of Florida's elders, of which there are so many. That's ground zero for this disease. And that's where others (NYC, Sweden) have screwed the pooch. Grade A+.

I'd like to learn more of what Fl was doing here, because this fight is going to go on for a loooong time. Last night my wife and I were guessing when she'd next get to see her mom (assisted living facility) face-to-face. We both SWAG-ed next Spring -- like 10 months from now.

4. Not closing the beaches. Maybe it didn't hurt, but it didn't help either. So no grade. Just political spin going on here (from both sides).

Seem reasonable?

Yes that’s reasonable except for the stay at home F. Where I live you almost have to try to run into someone in order to see someone. Big state, not every county needed similar orders. He gets a B+ here, A+ overall. The numbers don’t lie. Your record is who you are. He’s coming out off this tops in country.

The Pandemic Hasn’t Changed Voters’ Minds About Trump

"Though the outbreak is spreading more broadly into Trump’s rural and small-town base, it has hit hardest in the big-city areas that were most skeptical of him from the outset. That could widen Trump’s deficit in the most populous communities—he already lost America’s 100 largest counties by a combined total of about 15 million votes in 2016—and force him to squeeze even greater margins and higher turnout from smaller places.

The second trend complicates the first for him: As I mentioned before, polling shows that the voting bloc that has most clearly moved away from Trump during the outbreak is older voters, including older whites. Generally, small-town America is not only redder but also grayer. If Trump slips at all with older voters, he will struggle to expand his margins in smaller communities.

It’s remarkable how the outbreak has disrupted every aspect of American life without hugely reconfiguring the landscape for the 2020 presidential race. But to the extent that it has shifted the terrain, it has left Trump facing an even narrower path to a second term. And on that bumpy road, no rock looms before Trump more ominously than the persistent recoil from his values and performance among college-educated white voters of both genders."

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