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old salt wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 10:25 pm From behind the NRO paywall. More hints of a cease fire in place & negotiated settlement.
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Ukrainians Frustrated by U.S. Reluctance to Transfer Anti-Ship Missiles, Other Weapons

A source told NR that the weapons will eventually be delivered — ‘it’ll just be when a lot of people are dead.’

One month after the start of the Russian invasion, Kyiv’s calls to the U.S. and European NATO countries to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine have grown softer. Ukrainian officials are now laser-focused on a new, more attainable ask: more weapons from the U.S. and other Western allies with which to launch attacks on Russian positions.

Washington’s slow effort to provide these weapons to the Ukrainians has frustrated leaders in Kyiv, notwithstanding U.S. claims that the administration is moving swiftly and effectively to shore up Ukraine’s position.

During a virtual appearance at an Atlantic Council webinar today, Andriy Yermak, the head of Volodymyr Zelensky’s presidential office, expressed appreciation for weapons transfers from Washington. “But honestly,” he added, “we need more, and need quick.” Yermak also rattled off a list of weapons his country is requesting, including anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, small arms, and heavier systems, including multiple rocket launchers and long-range artillery.

Ukraine needs the capability to break through Russian lines to recapture territory seized during the invasion, said a source who speaks regularly with senior Ukrainian officials, as President Biden rallied NATO leaders in Brussels yesterday and prepared to visit Poland. But the White House is reluctant to give Kyiv the weapons to do that.

There’s no interest to give Ukraine counteroffensive capacity. Until that happens, Putin’s game in Ukraine will not change,” the source, who was granted anonymity to candidly discuss the Ukrainian leadership’s perspective, told National Review. “The administration actually thinks that by not provoking Putin you’re de-escalating. Well, quite the opposite.”

Counteroffensive capabilities also include tanks, planes, anti-ship missiles, and high-altitude missiles.
During an address to a NATO summit on Thursday, Zelensky requested 1 percent of the alliance’s stocks of those systems. “The only thing I ask of you after this one month of war,” he said, preempting a potential objection, is “please do not tell us that our army is not up to NATO’s standards.”

The Ukrainians have shown that they can do all of the fighting themselves, if President Biden and other leaders empower them to do so.
Ukraine has begun some small counteroffensives in recent days, according to the Institute for the Study of War, which is tracking the conflict. Mounting those counterattacks matters immensely for any negotiated settlement reached between Moscow and Kyiv. Moscow’s advances have been stalled in some places, but the Russian forces have still made alarming progress in recent weeks. If Ukraine doesn’t hold Russian-occupied territory when the talks reach a conclusion, it might be forced to cede much of it.

Although the Biden administration has moved to provide Kyiv with some $2 billion in security assistance, including $1 billion in the past week, the focus up to now has been on Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and Javelin anti-tank missiles.

While that’s made a significant difference on the battlefield, there’s been a reluctance to provide more, as shown by the administration’s headline-grabbing refusal to help Poland transfer MiG jets to Ukraine because the planes are “offensive” in nature. The White House has said that it’s wary of transferring weapons that could be perceived by the Kremlin as escalatory, leaving Kyiv in the lurch and Warsaw unable to act.

Washington’s hesitancy can also be seen in the glacial pace of getting weapons to Ukraine.
According to a senior administration official who briefed reporters yesterday, the U.S. has — one month into the Russian attack — “started consulting with allies on providing” anti-ship missiles but also noted “there may be some technical challenges with making that happen.”

Ukrainian officials still want Soviet-era jets, such as the MiGs, and it’s unclear where their latest requests for tanks stand. Reached for comment, the National Security Council referred NR to the White House’s previous comments on weapons transfers and the senior administration official’s comments on discussions about anti-ship weapons and other systems.

Meanwhile, any pressure from Congress on the administration is likely to be negligible for now, if recent history is any indication.

Biden’s move to waive sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline last year prompted strong bipartisan opposition. Nevertheless, when legislation was introduced to reverse Biden’s move, the White House’s allies in the Senate voted it down. In the days immediately following the start of the invasion, of course, the president revoked the waivers, effectively killing the pipeline.

The source with knowledge of the Ukrainian government’s thinking said that Ukraine has also noticed that Senate Democrats are reluctant to break with the administration to back the transfer of counteroffensive weapons. But the person said that it will take place eventually: “Unfortunately, it’ll take another 20,000–30,000 lives before that happens. It will happen. It’ll just be when a lot of people are dead.”

The administration has signaled a willingness to speak out against Moscow’s barbarism in Ukraine, but it’s been much too slow to give the Ukrainians the means with which to push forward in a new phase in this war.
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Hungary - Ukraine tensions. ...Hungarian airspace & land transit routes ?
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At EU Summit, Ukraine-Hungary Tensions Burst Open as Zelensky Chews Out Orban

Years of tensions between Hungary and Ukraine burst into public view Thursday evening, when President Volodymyr Zelensky chewed out Hungarian leader Viktor Orban via video link as he spoke to a meeting of EU leaders.

The exchange follows discord between the neighbors over language laws, Hungary’s long block on ministerial discussions between NATO and Ukraine, and Mr. Orban’s warm ties with the Kremlin.

In recent weeks, Hungary has refused to allow weapons to be sent into Ukraine via its territory and is one of a number of EU countries opposing a ban on energy imports from Russia. Hungary, however, has supported hefty EU sanctions packages and NATO’s response to the Russian invasion.

Mr. Zelensky has frequently used his addresses to parliaments to criticize governments for failing to do enough to support Kiev--at times incurring the wrath of some in his audience. But his remarks Thursday, posted online later by the president’s office, were unusually personal.

Referring to trips he’d made with his family to the Hungarian capital, Mr. Zelensky said he had stood by the Holocaust memorial, Shoes on the Danube Bank, which marks the murder by Hungarian fascists during World War II of Jews, who were ordered to remove their shoes before being shot at the edge of the river.

“I visited your waterfront. I saw this memorial,” he said in remarks carried on Ukrainian television. “Listen, Viktor, do you know what’s going on in Mariupol? Please if you can go to your waterfront, and you will see how mass killings can happen again in today’s world. And that’s what Russia is doing today.”

“And you hesitate whether to impose sanctions or not? And you hesitate whether to trade with Russia or not? There is no time to hesitate. It’s time to decide already,” Mr. Zelensky said.

Mr. Orban, whom officials described as sitting in the meeting listening to the remarks expressionless, didn't respond to Mr. Zelensky immediately.

After the meeting however, the Hungarian prime minister posted a video and referenced Mr. Zelensky’s remarks.

“Some countries again raised the issue of extending sanctions to energy, coal, gas and oil. In fact, the Ukrainian president himself…asked us to do the same,” he said.

“We considered this and then refused, given that 85% of gas in Hungary comes from Russia and more than 60% of our oil. A sanction would mean that the Hungarian economy would slow down and then stop in a matter of seconds.”

The Hungarian leader, who has been in office for the past 12 years, faces elections next month. As part of his campaign pitch, he has argued his government will ensure Hungary isn't dragged into the war by allowing weapons to cross into Ukraine.

Most western weapons to Ukraine are crossing in from Poland.
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Salty,

Crimea & the DNR/LNR are now governed by Russia & a majority of the residents want it that way.

If possible, let's make a slight historical distinction here: the majority in Crimea since time immemorial were Turkic Tatars and many were forced to move to Uzbek and other parts of Transcaucasia. This happened initially under the Bolsheviks, then increased under the Stalinists, and continued up to just a few years ago. Russia re-settled other Russians into Crimea and this is how the majority population became governed by that ethnic group which is loyal to Moscow. Of course, it should be remembered that the USA has its own history of forcibly relocating people when it chooses to do so. On that basis in this regard the USA should not play the holier-than-thou card that it normally plays.

Donbas and its two free republics are entirely different in that the majority populations always were ethnically Russian. They voted to secede by referendum and are recognized as free republics by Moscow. As I've said before, if Ukraine has the right to secede, then so does DFR/LFR. The world is obligated to recognize both.

This behooves those forum right wingers who claim they believe in the right to "freedom" and self determination to recognize and respect the wishes of the majority of people who live in Donbas. Let's see their endorsement of this assessment.
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Brooklyn wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:43 am
Salty,

Crimea & the DNR/LNR are now governed by Russia & a majority of the residents want it that way.

If possible, let's make a slight historical distinction here: the majority in Crimea since time immemorial were Turkic Tatars and many were forced to move to Uzbek and other parts of Transcaucasia. This happened initially under the Bolsheviks, then increased under the Stalinists, and continued up to just a few years ago. Russia re-settled other Russians into Crimea and this is how the majority population became governed by that ethnic group which is loyal to Moscow. Of course, it should be remembered that the USA has its own history of forcibly relocating people when it chooses to do so. On that basis in this regard the USA should not play the holier-than-thou card that it normally plays.

Donbas and its two free republics are entirely different in that the majority populations always were ethnically Russian. They voted to secede by referendum and are recognized as free republics by Moscow. As I've said before, if Ukraine has the right to secede, then so does DFR/LFR. The world is obligated to recognize both.

This behooves those forum right wingers who claim they believe in the right to "freedom" and self determination to recognize and respect the wishes of the majority of people who live in Donbas. Let's see their endorsement of this assessment.



Brook: are you aware that America’s Left, of which you are a proud card-carrying member, constantly rip on America’s Right for not supporting the Ukrainians in this war, or the war itself? Do you even know that?

“The effort to tar Republicans as pro-Putin is such a transparent attempt to marginalize the establishment’s domestic political opponents that of course it’s repeated everywhere in the media.”

Remember when the Democrats were the anti-war party? :lol: :lol:
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#7 - Lt. Gen Yakov Rezantsev, 39th Army Group near Kherson. Only 13 others General officers remain.

The colonel reported killed the other day was apparently done in by his own troops who ran over him with a tank.
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Peter Brown wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:15 am




Brook: are you aware that America’s Left, of which you are a proud card-carrying member, constantly rip on America’s Right for not supporting the Ukrainians in this war, or the war itself? Do you even know that?

“The effort to tar Republicans as pro-Putin is such a transparent attempt to marginalize the establishment’s domestic political opponents that of course it’s repeated everywhere in the media.”

Remember when the Democrats were the anti-war party?


Who says they aren't: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/08/nyre ... ussia.html

liberal commentators/websites call for diplomacy:


https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022 ... ar-ukraine
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/opin ... raine.html
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... den-putin/
https://twitter.com/codepink/status/148 ... 8bqBUTvwKA


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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKikl3KVEAA ... me=900x900


There's plenty more all over the Internet.
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I should add one final note to the above: most right wingee dingees who oppose Biden's actions in the Russia-Ukraine crisis do so, not because they feel he has done anything wrong, but because they criticize him just for the sake of criticizing him. As far as their twisted little minds go, he is incapable of doing anything correct. You know as well as everyone else does on this board that had Trump been president and intervened in the war, right wingers would all be applauding his every action. Fox news would be kow towing to him as if he was the second coming of the Messiah. Their BDS and hatred for Biden is what motivates their opposition to his actions.

You know that only too well.
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Brooklyn wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:43 am I should add one final note to the above: most right wingee dingees who oppose Biden's actions in the Russia-Ukraine crisis do so, not because they feel he has done anything wrong, but because they criticize him just for the sake of criticizing him. As far as their twisted little minds go, he is incapable of doing anything correct. You know as well as everyone else does on this board that had Trump been president and intervened in the war, right wingers would all be applauding his every action. Fox news would be kow towing to him as if he was the second coming of the Messiah. Their BDS and hatred for Biden is what motivates their opposition to his actions.

You know that only too well.



I feel like I’m on a island here.

I support Zelensky. I support supplying Ukraine with a ton of weaponry.

I think Putin is possibly deranged.

I also realize Ukraine is very corrupt. But I don’t blame Zelensky.

Russia is very corrupt, and Putin is to blame for this.

I am sad for both Ukrainians and Russians for many different reasons, but at the core, the central reason remains the same: the people of Russia and Ukraine are no different than you or me, they are good people. It’s the Russian leaders that stink.

As for Joe and this absolute clown car of current NatSec administration people he’s ‘leading’, they are stumbling and bumbling to what is needed, but they’ve screwed up things so badly here, that only Ukrainian and western resolve will result in an outcome that isn’t WW3. Left to his own devices, Joe would’ve either caused WW3, or he’d have allowed Putin to do to Ukraine what Putin did to Crimea while Joe was VP, take it with no pushback.

Joe is about to give Iran a couple hundred $$ billion while Iran attacks Saudi Arabia. You can’t make it up.
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Joe is about to give Iran a couple hundred $$ billion while Iran attacks Saudi Arabia. You can’t make it up.

A few years ago on LP it was alleged that Iran was on the verge of starting WW III. The lies and pro war hysteria just never stop here. Never.
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Brooklyn wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:37 am There's plenty more all over the Internet.

And, of course, there is always the matter of my earlier posts re George Galloway.
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Peter Brown wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 12:11 pm As for Joe and this absolute clown car of current NatSec administration people he’s ‘leading’, they are stumbling and bumbling to what is needed, but they’ve screwed up things so badly here, that only Ukrainian and western resolve will result in an outcome that isn’t WW3. Left to his own devices, Joe would’ve either caused WW3, or he’d have allowed Putin to do to Ukraine what Putin did to Crimea while Joe was VP, take it with no pushback.

Joe is about to give Iran a couple hundred $$ billion while Iran attacks Saudi Arabia. You can’t make it up.
Good God ! The old fool goes to Poland, visits the 82nd Airborne near the border, then calls for regime change in Russia.
He is taking us to war. Russia responds with a missile attack on Lviv.
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old salt wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:38 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 12:11 pm As for Joe and this absolute clown car of current NatSec administration people he’s ‘leading’, they are stumbling and bumbling to what is needed, but they’ve screwed up things so badly here, that only Ukrainian and western resolve will result in an outcome that isn’t WW3. Left to his own devices, Joe would’ve either caused WW3, or he’d have allowed Putin to do to Ukraine what Putin did to Crimea while Joe was VP, take it with no pushback.

Joe is about to give Iran a couple hundred $$ billion while Iran attacks Saudi Arabia. You can’t make it up.
Good God ! The old fool goes to Poland, visits the 82nd Airborne near the border, then calls for regime change in Russia.
He is taking us to war. Russia responds with a missile attack on Lviv.
I believe the Lyiv strike occurred BEFORE Joe's speech in Warsaw where he ad-libbed (apparently) the comment about Putin needing to go.

Anonymous hackers got into the Russian national bank and are now releasing bank statements for prominent Russians. They say they will continue until Putin leave Ukraine. They must be channeling Sleepy Joe. ;)

Just curious how come you didn't seem to comment on all the stupid crap Orange Cheeto said almost daily while he was in office.
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old salt wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:38 pm Good God ! The old fool goes to Poland, visits the 82nd Airborne near the border, then calls for regime change in Russia.
He is taking us to war. Russia responds with a missile attack on Lviv.

There are rumblings of border tensions between Kosovo (NATO protectorate) and Serbia which maintains a close relationship with Russia. Evidently, the powers that be are stirring things up in their hell bent quest to bring on Armageddon.
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Kismet wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:55 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:38 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 12:11 pm As for Joe and this absolute clown car of current NatSec administration people he’s ‘leading’, they are stumbling and bumbling to what is needed, but they’ve screwed up things so badly here, that only Ukrainian and western resolve will result in an outcome that isn’t WW3. Left to his own devices, Joe would’ve either caused WW3, or he’d have allowed Putin to do to Ukraine what Putin did to Crimea while Joe was VP, take it with no pushback.

Joe is about to give Iran a couple hundred $$ billion while Iran attacks Saudi Arabia. You can’t make it up.
Good God ! The old fool goes to Poland, visits the 82nd Airborne near the border, then calls for regime change in Russia.
He is taking us to war. Russia responds with a missile attack on Lviv.
I believe the Lyiv strike occurred BEFORE Joe's speech in Warsaw where he ad-libbed (apparently) the comment about Putin needing to go.

Anonymous hackers got into the Russian national bank and are now releasing bank statements for prominent Russians. They say they will continue until Putin leave Ukraine. They must be channeling Sleepy Joe. ;)

Just curious how come you didn't seem to comment on all the stupid crap Orange Cheeto said almost daily while he was in office.


1. Trump isn’t President

2. Ad-libbing is worse than a scripted speech since it shows what you’re really thinking, as opposed to what your handlers are telling you to say

3. Biden’s only plausible excuse is he’s not sentient enough to know what he’s saying anymore…which isn’t very reassuring
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Trump was not on the verge of taking us to war with Russia.
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old salt wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:24 pm Trump was not on the verge of taking us to war with Russia.



What does Putin have to lose anymore launching nukes or simply annihilating Ukraine? I mean, Joe just said that Putin can no longer remain President of Russia. Can you begin to imagine Putin’s thoughts right now?

Imagine if Putin had said ‘Biden can no longer remain President of the United States’…imagine the outrage of Americans.
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We have idiots and Russian influenced trolls among us.
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old salt wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:24 pm Trump was not on the verge of taking us to war with Russia.
He was pacifying Vlad and staying out of his way…..like you said…standing up to Russia doesn’t matter. You were all for laying down….
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:17 pm We have idiots and Russian influenced trolls among us.
The first half is right.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:20 pm
old salt wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:24 pm Trump was not on the verge of taking us to war with Russia.
He was pacifying Vlad and staying out of his way…..like you said…standing up to Russia doesn’t matter. You were all for laying down….
Trump did not pacify Putin. ...Putin did not challenge Trump.
Trump warned the EU about their dependence on Russian energy & shamed NATO into spending more on defense.
The territory that Russia seized was before Trump came to office.
The military training & weapons the Ukrainians are using to such good effect were provided under Trump.
When Biden took office, he delayed for 3 mos the arms shipments that were approved before the end of Trump's term.
Putin did not move on Ukraine while Trump was in office.
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