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Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:58 am
by Henpecked
Comeonman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:48 am
For a smart guy, Quint is awfully dumb.
Who said he was smart?
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:03 pm
by HopFan16
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:38 am
bananas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:39 am
Quint rankings are questionable off early results but he's obviously projecting as most early rankings tend to do based on analysis and season expectations. May be right or wrong, time will tell.
I don't love his rankings either but I do like UVA at #1. Not because they're the best team in the nation but because they've had the best wins.
Virginia at #1 is fine. You can make an argument for them, UNC, Duke or Maryland quite frankly and all are more than defensible. (I'd probably go with UNC based on what I've seen, but it's close).
But Quint moved Georgetown DOWN from last week. I repeat:
down. He moved them from 10 to 11 after they had the most dominant performance of the year against a team most people think is top 20 caliber.
Everyone has their own criteria, but you have to apply it consistently week to week.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:09 pm
by Matnum PI
Hopfan16, I'm with you. I fully understand that Polls are subjective but it drives me crazy when the rationale is not rational.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:25 pm
by Comeonman
I actually think he is one of the few commentators who knows what he’s talking about. That said, he and Carc and Anish can be very annoying with their biases and side talk. They certainly neglect to recognize some obvious talent and also over hype others.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:30 pm
by Matnum PI
my biggest issue with the rankings/polls and the commentating is the amount of GroupThink. Everyone moves in lock step and then to prove each is independent they make a subtle differentiation. Uniformity in thought isn't interesting...
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:31 pm
by Henpecked
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:03 pm
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:38 am
bananas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:39 am
Quint rankings are questionable off early results but he's obviously projecting as most early rankings tend to do based on analysis and season expectations. May be right or wrong, time will tell.
I don't love his rankings either but I do like UVA at #1. Not because they're the best team in the nation but because they've had the best wins.
Virginia at #1 is fine. You can make an argument for them, UNC, Duke or Maryland quite frankly and all are more than defensible. (I'd probably go with UNC based on what I've seen, but it's close).
But Quint moved Georgetown DOWN from last week. I repeat:
down. He moved them from 10 to 11 after they had the most dominant performance of the year against a team most people think is top 20 caliber.
Everyone has their own criteria, but you have to apply it consistently week to week.
I listened to Quint on a podcast with Terry Foy last week and it has become all too apparent that Quint is not really following lacrosse too closely anymore. He was off base on so many subjects and had no idea where certain big name transfers ended up. Foy ended up having to explain some of the early games results to Quint because he didn't watch or read about them.
Moving Georgetown down in the rankings the day after embarrassing a very good Villanova team proves he's just not that into the job anymore. Time to move on. Stick to football and wrestling.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:26 pm
by jrn19
Comeonman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:48 am
For a smart guy, Quint is awfully dumb.
Best way I’ve ever seen him described
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:27 pm
by Farfromgeneva
jrn19 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:26 pm
Comeonman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:48 am
For a smart guy, Quint is awfully dumb.
Best way I’ve ever seen him described
My wife refers to me as “the smartest idiot she knows”...
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:06 pm
by DU-fan
I expect these rankings tomorrow:
1 Duke (5 - 0)
2 North Carolina (5 - 0)
3 Maryland (2 - 0)
4 Georgetown (2 - 0)
5 Army (2 - 1)
6 Syracuse (01- 1)
7 Rutgers (2 - 0)
8 Virginia (3 - 1)
9 Notre Dame (1 - 0)
10 Loyola (2 - 1)
11 Denver (4 - 2)
12 Ohio State (1 - 1)
13 Penn State (0 - 2)
14 UMass (0 - 0)
15 Lehigh (1 - 0)
16 High Point (1 - 2)
17 Richmond (1 - 2)
18 Navy (1 - 0)
19 UAlbany (1 - 0)
20 Johns Hopkins (1-1)
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:20 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Seems like UMass should come down until they start playing given theri circumstances at the moment, but I guess that won't happen.
I think they're still talented but what is the basis for even keeping PSU in the rankings other than they lost to two very good teams?
Could argue for Rutgers and Notre Dame in front of Army for the time being I would think. Army has the nice Syracuse with but is offset by the UVA loss which looks less good now.
Think I'd have Navy above the SoCon schools at the moment. Lehigh has me pretty interested.
Hop, someone else can call that one. Hard to say they deserve it, but I'm sure their supporters will argue the projected version of the program down the road so I don't want to kick up that dirt. Honestly I think I'd have a few schools in that spot, perhaps Bryant, Del, Marist, Hobart or Boston U for example but it's 20 in a Covid manipulated short early season poll.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:27 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Delaware needs to beat Bellarmine today for them to be considered, losing 10-9 in 3rd...
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:30 pm
by HopFan16
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:27 pm
Delaware needs to beat Bellarmine today for them to be considered, losing 10-9 in 3rd...
The fact that they are losing to Bellarmine in the 3rd means they probably shouldn't be in the top 20 even if they pull out the win. How teams look during games should matter in addition to the final results of those games.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:20 pm
Hop, someone else can call that one. Hard to say they deserve it, but I'm sure their supporters will argue the projected version of the program down the road so I don't want to kick up that dirt.
Outside of DocB I feel like we are pretty realistic and not overly homerish. I don't think anyone cares a whole lot if we're ranked right now or not. It's hard to compare some of these teams against ones that haven't played yet or are beating up on D2 teams like BU...
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:42 pm
by Farfromgeneva
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:30 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:27 pm
Delaware needs to beat Bellarmine today for them to be considered, losing 10-9 in 3rd...
The fact that they are losing to Bellarmine in the 3rd means they probably shouldn't be in the top 20 even if they pull out the win. How teams look during games should matter in addition to the final results of those games.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:20 pm
Hop, someone else can call that one. Hard to say they deserve it, but I'm sure their supporters will argue the projected version of the program down the road so I don't want to kick up that dirt.
Outside of DocB I feel like we are pretty realistic and not overly homerish. I don't think anyone cares a whole lot if we're ranked right now or not. It's hard to compare some of these teams against ones that haven't played yet or are beating up on D2 teams like BU...
Is merrimack worse than Michigan? I agree on Hobart, but projecting on two games at 1-1 vs no games isn't a big stretch. Note I questions PSU and UMass placement as well, so it's not picking on JHU but I'm also not doing a Fatty "11-0 vs the YWCA teams should be top 5" routine either. Layering in a little of last year, little of in place games and a little projection.
Next week or two should clarify some things.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:59 pm
by rolldodge
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:20 pm
Seems like UMass should come down until they start playing given theri circumstances at the moment, but I guess that won't happen.
I think they're still talented but what is the basis for even keeping PSU in the rankings other than they lost to two very good teams?
Could argue for Rutgers and Notre Dame in front of Army for the time being I would think. Army has the nice Syracuse with but is offset by the UVA loss which looks less good now.
Think I'd have Navy above the SoCon schools at the moment. Lehigh has me pretty interested.
Hop, someone else can call that one. Hard to say they deserve it, but I'm sure their supporters will argue the projected version of the program down the road so I don't want to kick up that dirt. Honestly I think I'd have a few schools in that spot, perhaps Bryant, Del, Marist, Hobart or Boston U for example but it's 20 in a Covid manipulated short early season poll.
I’d definitely put Rutgers and probably Notre Dame (after watching them play against RM) above anybody with a loss.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:09 pm
by DU-fan
Revised based on good feedback:
1 Duke (5 - 0)
2 North Carolina (5 - 0)
3 Maryland (2 - 0)
4 Georgetown (2 - 0)
5 Rutgers (2 - 0)
6 Notre Dame (1 - 0)
7 Army (2 - 1)
8 Syracuse (1- 1)
9 Virginia (3 - 1)
10 Loyola (2 - 1)
11 Denver (4 - 2)
12 Ohio State (1 - 1)
13 Penn State (0 - 2)
14 Navy (2 - 0)
15 Lehigh (1 - 0)
16 UMass (0 - 0)
17 High Point (1 - 2)
18 Richmond (1 - 2)
19 UAlbany (1 - 0)
20 Johns Hopkins (1-1)
I am not sure on JHU. Time will tell. It is very hard to compare teams in different conferences. That will get even tougher in a month.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:11 pm
by Comeonman
What are the chances Quint drops Georgetown from 11 to 12 after its second one goal defensive output?
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:11 pm
by jhu08
DU-fan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:09 pm
Revised based on good feedback:
1 Duke (5 - 0)
2 North Carolina (5 - 0)
3 Maryland (2 - 0)
4 Georgetown (2 - 0)
5 Rutgers (2 - 0)
6 Notre Dame (1 - 0)
7 Army (2 - 1)
8 Syracuse (1- 1)
9 Virginia (3 - 1)
10 Loyola (2 - 1)
11 Denver (4 - 2)
12 Ohio State (1 - 1)
13 Penn State (0 - 2)
14 Navy (2 - 0)
15 Lehigh (1 - 0)
16 UMass (0 - 0)
17 High Point (1 - 2)
18 Richmond (1 - 2)
19 UAlbany (1 - 0)
20 Johns Hopkins (1-1)
I am not sure on JHU. Time will tell. It is very hard to compare teams in different conferences. That will get even tougher in a month.
I think your top 6 are the right 6 in some order. Any of the top 3 can be argued as #1 right now in my opinion - pick your poison.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:15 pm
by calourie
Not a fanlax pollster this year, but will likely venture a full 20 team personal poll in a couple of weeks. In the meantime my top ten out of the gate is as follows:
1. Duke 5-0
2. UNC 5-0
3. Maryland 2-0
4. Georgetown 2-0
5. Rutgers 2-0
6. Notre Dame 1-0
7. Army 2-1
8. Syracuse 1-1
9. Virginia 3-1
10. Denver 4-2
actually had this written before du-fan submitted his revised poll. We must have some good ESP. Our only difference is the ten spot with DU trying to not appear like a homer putting Loyola 1 ahead of DU whereas I would have put them 1 behind.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:45 pm
by TAV
DU-fan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:09 pm
Revised based on good feedback:
1 Duke (5 - 0)
2 North Carolina (5 - 0)
3 Maryland (2 - 0)
4 Georgetown (2 - 0)
5 Rutgers (2 - 0)
6 Notre Dame (1 - 0)
7 Army (2 - 1)
8 Syracuse (1- 1)
9 Virginia (3 - 1)
10 Loyola (2 - 1)
11 Denver (4 - 2)
12 Ohio State (1 - 1)
13 Penn State (0 - 2)
14 Navy (2 - 0)
15 Lehigh (1 - 0)
16 UMass (0 - 0)
17 High Point (1 - 2)
18 Richmond (1 - 2)
19 UAlbany (1 - 0)
20 Johns Hopkins (1-1)
I am not sure on JHU. Time will tell. It is very hard to compare teams in different conferences. That will get even tougher in a month.
Georgetown is too high @ 4. 5-9 would beat them. Season is young and we’ll see how it all shakes out.
Re: D1 Men Rankings
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:54 pm
by 10stone5
TAV wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:45 pm
DU-fan wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 3:09 pm
Revised based on good feedback:
1 Duke (5 - 0)
2 North Carolina (5 - 0)
3 Maryland (2 - 0)
4 Georgetown (2 - 0)
5 Rutgers (2 - 0)
6 Notre Dame (1 - 0)
7 Army (2 - 1)
8 Syracuse (1- 1)
9 Virginia (3 - 1)
10 Loyola (2 - 1)
11 Denver (4 - 2)
12 Ohio State (1 - 1)
13 Penn State (0 - 2)
14 Navy (2 - 0)
15 Lehigh (1 - 0)
16 UMass (0 - 0)
17 High Point (1 - 2)
18 Richmond (1 - 2)
19 UAlbany (1 - 0)
20 Johns Hopkins (1-1)
I am not sure on JHU. Time will tell. It is very hard to compare teams in different conferences. That will get even tougher in a month.
Georgetown is too high @ 4. 5-9 would beat them.
Based on what ?