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Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:46 am
by Farfromgeneva

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:09 am
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:15 am
by Farfromgeneva
I knew you were a bible thumper!

The lady in the wife beater has a lot of Zazie Beats in her

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:16 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:15 am
I knew you were a bible thumper!

The lady in the wife beater has a lot of Zazie Beats in her
She does. She’s my type also!

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:20 am
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:16 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:15 am
I knew you were a bible thumper!

The lady in the wife beater has a lot of Zazie Beats in her
She does. She’s my type also!
Yeah the Grace Jones looking ones dont do anything for me but I keyed on on her and figured if one of those white dudes was up in that then I've got a shot!

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:32 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:16 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:15 am
I knew you were a bible thumper!

The lady in the wife beater has a lot of Zazie Beats in her
She does. She’s my type also!
Yeah the Grace Jones looking ones dont do anything for me but I keyed on on her and figured if one of those white dudes was up in that then I've got a shot!
Always assessing opportunities

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:55 am
by old salt
That's why we don't talk politics at our dog park. People go there to get away from that. It's a refuge.

She says she has a white pit bull. I wonder if he's deaf. Most white pitties are. We have a young one at our dog park. He's playful, good natured & responds to hand signals. When he runs past, if you bend over & wave your hand fore & aft, he comes to you to be petted, just as if you called him.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:03 am
by old salt
Our nearest dog park is in a large county park with many other amenities. It's in a diverse area, nearby public housing.
The park users, including the dog park & dog beach, are representative of the population in that part of town.
No problems that I've heard about. You're trying way too hard.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:21 am
by youthathletics
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:55 am She says she has a white pit bull. I wonder if he's deaf. Most white pitties are.
Interesting, .... never knew that.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:54 am
by DMac
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:03 am You're trying way too hard.
This is what I thought when I read that article too.
They're really reaching for fuel to feed the fire of
racism with that one.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:40 am
by PizzaSnake
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:55 am
That's why we don't talk politics at our dog park. People go there to get away from that. It's a refuge.

She says she has a white pit bull. I wonder if he's deaf. Most white pitties are. We have a young one at our dog park. He's playful, good natured & responds to hand signals. When he runs past, if you bend over & wave your hand fore & aft, he comes to you to be petted, just as if you called him.
All social interactions involve politics. Don't be naive.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:45 am
by DMac
You're going to need an explanation to go along with that comment, aint buyin' it.
Color me naive, now do some 'splainin'.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:29 am
by MDlaxfan76
DMac wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:45 am You're going to need an explanation to go along with that comment, aint buyin' it.
Color me naive, now do some 'splainin'.
That does seem to be a rather absolute statement, so I too am interested in hearing pizza unpack it.

I think it's likely to be akin to:
"Social interaction is the process of reciprocal influence exercised by individuals over one another during social encounters. Usually it refers to face-to-face encounters in which people are physically present with one another for a specified duration."

I recall being asked during my Government honors thesis defense: "define political science". The professors were concerned that my thesis was overly focused on the economics underlying the implications of government policies on urban housing, eg gentrification and displacement, instead of on describing the "political" competition to influence such policy. I think they were also a bit disturbed by the conclusions I drew, and my recommendations for better policy prescriptions, but that's another matter. Fortunately, the professors ultimately valued my willingness to argue positions that were less comfortable...

Politics are the processes by which people seek to influence and, indeed control, their society, most particularly through government, but also through other institutions of organization.

Social interaction indeed is a big part of politics, though I'd think not equivalent.

Can we have a social interaction in which "influence" is not implicit?

Certainly we can have social interactions in which politics, certainly "partisan" politics, are not explicitly part of the interaction, but are we not always building (or losing) influence through our interactions?

Pizza may have something else in mind, but that's my first swing at the ball...

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:50 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:32 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:20 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:16 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:15 am
I knew you were a bible thumper!

The lady in the wife beater has a lot of Zazie Beats in her
She does. She’s my type also!
Yeah the Grace Jones looking ones dont do anything for me but I keyed on on her and figured if one of those white dudes was up in that then I've got a shot!
Always assessing opportunities
If your not a buyer then you are a seller. Head on a swivel looking for life optionality.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:51 pm
by Farfromgeneva
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:03 am
Our nearest dog park is in a large county park with many other amenities. It's in a diverse area, nearby public housing.
The park users, including the dog park & dog beach, are representative of the population in that part of town.
No problems that I've heard about. You're trying way too hard.
Took me less than 3 minutes to pull and scan all those links. Aint me trying too hard, it's called simple research.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:55 pm
by Farfromgeneva
DMac wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:45 am You're going to need an explanation to go along with that comment, aint buyin' it.
Color me naive, now do some 'splainin'.
Politics (from Greek: Πολιτικά, politiká, 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals, such as the distribution of resources or status. The branch of social science that studies politics and government is referred to as political science.

It may be used positively in the context of a "political solution" which is compromising and nonviolent,[1] or descriptively as "the art or science of government", but also often carries a negative connotation.[2] The concept has been defined in various ways, and different approaches have fundamentally differing views on whether it should be used extensively or limitedly, empirically or normatively, and on whether conflict or co-operation is more essential to it.

A variety of methods are deployed in politics, which include promoting one's own political views among people, negotiation with other political subjects, making laws, and exercising internal and external force, including warfare against adversaries.[3][4][5][6][7] Politics is exercised on a wide range of social levels, from clans and tribes of traditional societies, through modern local governments, companies and institutions up to sovereign states, to the international level.

In modern nation states, people often form political parties to represent their ideas. Members of a party often agree to take the same position on many issues and agree to support the same changes to law and the same leaders. An election is usually a competition between different parties.

A political system is a framework which defines acceptable political methods within a society. The history of political thought can be traced back to early antiquity, with seminal works such as Plato's Republic and Aristotle's Politics in the West, and Confucius's political manuscripts and Chanakya's Arthashastra in the non-Western cultures.[8]

I would add this is tendentially...er...tangentially related

Dialectic (Greek: διαλεκτική, dialektikḗ; related to dialogue; German: Dialektik), also known as the dialectical method, is a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation. Dialectic resembles debate, but the concept excludes subjective elements such as emotional appeal and the modern pejorative sense of rhetoric.[1][2] Dialectic may thus be contrasted with both the eristic, which refers to argument that aims to successfully dispute another's argument (rather than searching for truth), and the didactic method, wherein one side of the conversation teaches the other. Dialectic is alternatively known as minor logic, as opposed to major logic or critique.

Within Hegelianism, the word dialectic has the specialised meaning of a contradiction between ideas that serves as the determining factor in their relationship. Dialectical materialism, a theory or set of theories produced mainly by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, adapted the Hegelian dialectic into arguments regarding traditional materialism. The dialectics of Hegel and Marx were criticized in the twentieth century by the philosophers Karl Popper and Mario Bunge.

Dialectic tends to imply a process of evolution and so does not naturally fit within classical logics, but was given some formalism in the twentieth century. The emphasis on process is particularly marked in Hegelian dialectic, and even more so in Marxist dialectical logic, which tried to account for the evolution of ideas over longer time periods in the real world.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:57 pm
by Farfromgeneva
DMac wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:54 am
old salt wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:03 am You're trying way too hard.
This is what I thought when I read that article too.
They're really reaching for fuel to feed the fire of
racism with that one.
I'm trying hard because I pulled all those links and was able to digest them quickly.

Note OS pulled them apart vs. approaching them all...

really goes back to what I said two years or more ago - just not discussing any of this or interacting in good faith, it's all bad faith

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:49 pm
by DMac
I didn't mean you personally, I meant the dog park thing is a real stretch.

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:58 pm
by DMac
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:55 pm
DMac wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:45 am You're going to need an explanation to go along with that comment, aint buyin' it.
Color me naive, now do some 'splainin'.
Politics (from Greek: Πολιτικά, politiká, 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals, such as the distribution of resources or status. The branch of social science that studies politics and government is referred to as political science.

It may be used positively in the context of a "political solution" which is compromising and nonviolent,[1] or descriptively as "the art or science of government", but also often carries a negative connotation.[2] The concept has been defined in various ways, and different approaches have fundamentally differing views on whether it should be used extensively or limitedly, empirically or normatively, and on whether conflict or co-operation is more essential to it.

A variety of methods are deployed in politics, which include promoting one's own political views among people, negotiation with other political subjects, making laws, and exercising internal and external force, including warfare against adversaries.[3][4][5][6][7] Politics is exercised on a wide range of social levels, from clans and tribes of traditional societies, through modern local governments, companies and institutions up to sovereign states, to the international level.

In modern nation states, people often form political parties to represent their ideas. Members of a party often agree to take the same position on many issues and agree to support the same changes to law and the same leaders. An election is usually a competition between different parties.

A political system is a framework which defines acceptable political methods within a society. The history of political thought can be traced back to early antiquity, with seminal works such as Plato's Republic and Aristotle's Politics in the West, and Confucius's political manuscripts and Chanakya's Arthashastra in the non-Western cultures.[8]

I would add this is tendentially...er...tangentially related

Dialectic (Greek: διαλεκτική, dialektikḗ; related to dialogue; German: Dialektik), also known as the dialectical method, is a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation. Dialectic resembles debate, but the concept excludes subjective elements such as emotional appeal and the modern pejorative sense of rhetoric.[1][2] Dialectic may thus be contrasted with both the eristic, which refers to argument that aims to successfully dispute another's argument (rather than searching for truth), and the didactic method, wherein one side of the conversation teaches the other. Dialectic is alternatively known as minor logic, as opposed to major logic or critique.

Within Hegelianism, the word dialectic has the specialised meaning of a contradiction between ideas that serves as the determining factor in their relationship. Dialectical materialism, a theory or set of theories produced mainly by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, adapted the Hegelian dialectic into arguments regarding traditional materialism. The dialectics of Hegel and Marx were criticized in the twentieth century by the philosophers Karl Popper and Mario Bunge.

Dialectic tends to imply a process of evolution and so does not naturally fit within classical logics, but was given some formalism in the twentieth century. The emphasis on process is particularly marked in Hegelian dialectic, and even more so in Marxist dialectical logic, which tried to account for the evolution of ideas over longer time periods in the real world.
This doesn't do it for me, here's the statement.
All social interactions involve politics. Don't be naive.
You can start and end that with "all".

Re: media matters

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:02 pm
by cradleandshoot
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:29 am
DMac wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:45 am You're going to need an explanation to go along with that comment, aint buyin' it.
Color me naive, now do some 'splainin'.
That does seem to be a rather absolute statement, so I too am interested in hearing pizza unpack it.

I think it's likely to be akin to:
"Social interaction is the process of reciprocal influence exercised by individuals over one another during social encounters. Usually it refers to face-to-face encounters in which people are physically present with one another for a specified duration."

I recall being asked during my Government honors thesis defense: "define political science". The professors were concerned that my thesis was overly focused on the economics underlying the implications of government policies on urban housing, eg gentrification and displacement, instead of on describing the "political" competition to influence such policy. I think they were also a bit disturbed by the conclusions I drew, and my recommendations for better policy prescriptions, but that's another matter. Fortunately, the professors ultimately valued my willingness to argue positions that were less comfortable...

Politics are the processes by which people seek to influence and, indeed control, their society, most particularly through government, but also through other institutions of organization.

Social interaction indeed is a big part of politics, though I'd think not equivalent.

Can we have a social interaction in which "influence" is not implicit?

Certainly we can have social interactions in which politics, certainly "partisan" politics, are not explicitly part of the interaction, but are we not always building (or losing) influence through our interactions?

Pizza may have something else in mind, but that's my first swing at the ball...
This can be narrowed down to something alot simpler that most all of us can understand... If you can't dazzle em with brilliance then baffle em with bullchit.