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Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:26 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:33 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:26 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:45 pm I suggest you reread my original post, then breath into a paper bag. You are raving about things I did not say or imply.

Oh, I have read your post. Have you? I'm not raving. I'm calmly telling you what you're communicating, and reacting to you trying to play dumb.

What you want everyone here to do is ignore every post you've ever made, and pretend like you're a brand new poster here, posting for the first time. Sorry my man, that's not how it works. You want us to forget that you've mocked pronouns before...and have in this very thread: your "{Dmac -- how do you think this Navy training video went over in the Goat Locker ? }".....again, making fun.

You and I butt heads when you try and act like you have no posting history. You have a history of mocking pronouns. I'm responding to that history coupled with the post. Next time, do as you claim you practice and say nothing about a mass shooting. Then I have nothing to react to....simple.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:45 pm I did not immediately hand wring about the shootings. If you check my record, you'll see that I tend not to in these endless mass shootings, even when the victims include school kids, military vets or law enforcement officers.
It's pointless, imo.

Yet you saw fit to comment, and not for the first time, about pronouns used in a story about a mass shooting.

And then pretend, as you are here, that you just have no earthly idea why anyone his reacting to your obvious mocking of the media daring to try and show respect for the dead.

Yes. I find the pronoun issue amusing, & continue to. imho, it's the tail wagging the dog. Expecting all of society to jump through hoops & change our language, for a small minority. That is not disrespecting or showing a lack of sympathy for the shooting victims. I'm making fun of the media & my attackers. imo -- people should be "gendered" based on what the ID in their wallet says &/or the appearance they present. If the police, media, or individuals get it different than the person's wishes, it's on that person for not conveying it more clearly. The burden is theirs, imo.

Colored folk can’t tell you what to call ‘em.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:04 am

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:11 pm Where I have a problem is the idea of INTENTIONALLY disrespecting someone. That's it...my ONLY quibble with this conversation. If someone asks you to address them a certain way, I simply don't get where the harm comes in in simply obliging. Be nice.

Who is disrespecting anyone ? Who is ignoring their preference ? We are being faulted for speaking based on their appearance rather than first having inquired about their preference, ...even in cases after they are deceased. If you get it wrong & did not investigate in advance, you've mis-gendered someone.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:59 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:26 pm Colored folk can’t tell you what to call ‘em.

I can recall when that was polite & preferred terminology.
The changes since have been a logical evolution & a smooth transition.
They did not require a change in how we employ the English language.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I'm fine with the gay community. They can do as they please. This is about my speech & changing how we use the entire English language. All of a sudden, it's insensitive not to change how we use pronouns.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I ask again -- how are Romance language cultures adapting to this ? Their entire language is gender based.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:33 pm that's a stretch, even for you. Your team records are a bit confused.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm So should we expect violence for not asking about & using the preferred pronoun ?

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:59 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:26 pm Colored folk can’t tell you what to call ‘em.

I can recall when that was polite & preferred terminology.
The changes since have been a logical evolution & a smooth transition.
They did not require a change in how we employ the English language.
It did not require an inquiry of every individual of how they preferred to be referred to,
...& then being accused of insensitivity if you fail to do so.

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:14 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I'm fine with the gay community. They can do as they please. This is about my speech & changing how we use the entire English language. All of a sudden, it's insensitive not to change how we use pronouns.

Nope. Same rules you were taught as a kid: address someone how they prefer to be addressed. And you don't have to use one single pronoun if you want. Address them by their formal name, and you don't have to worry about pronouns AT ALL.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I ask again -- how are Romance language cultures adapting to this ? Their entire language is gender based.

I just told you above.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:33 pm that's a stretch, even for you. Your team records are a bit confused.

No, they're fine. In each case it was about not wanting to use minimal effort to avoid calling someone something they don't want to be called. And it's about intent. And again, when I call it "your team"....I mean folks who know addressing someone in a way they don't want to be addressed is wrong....yet do it anyway. You're claiming you'd do that in the case of pronouns.

I'm claiming that you're lying, and would never intentionally be rude. Which of us is right?

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm So should we expect violence for not asking about & using the preferred pronoun ?

No...but how is it you think folks stopped using racial slurs or things like the word "boy" so quickly? Consequences, my friend. Real world consequences.

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:14 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I'm fine with the gay community. They can do as they please. This is about my speech & changing how we use the entire English language. All of a sudden, it's insensitive not to change how we use pronouns.

Nope. Same rules you were taught as a kid: address someone how they prefer to be addressed. And you don't have to use one single pronoun if you want. Address them by their formal name, and you don't have to worry about pronouns AT ALL.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I ask again -- how are Romance language cultures adapting to this ? Their entire language is gender based.

I just told you above.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:33 pm that's a stretch, even for you. Your team records are a bit confused.

No, they're fine. In each case it was about not wanting to use minimal effort to avoid calling someone something they don't want to be called. And it's about intent. And again, when I call it "your team"....I mean folks who know addressing someone in a way they don't want to be addressed is wrong....yet do it anyway. You're claiming you'd do that in the case of pronouns.

I'm claiming that you're lying, and would never intentionally be rude. Which of us is right?

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm So should we expect violence for not asking about & using the preferred pronoun ?

No...but how is it you think folks stopped using racial slurs or things like the word "boy" so quickly? Consequences, my friend. Real world consequences.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:46 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:59 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:26 pm Colored folk can’t tell you what to call ‘em.

I can recall when that was polite & preferred terminology.
The changes since have been a logical evolution & a smooth transition.
They did not require a change in how we employ the English language.
It did not require an inquiry of every individual of how they preferred to be referred to,
...& then being accused of insensitivity if you fail to do so.

That’s why you kept using it……up until they got too uppity…. You have a few “tells” that you are unaware of….Old System…

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:46 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:59 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:26 pm Colored folk can’t tell you what to call ‘em.

I can recall when that was polite & preferred terminology.
The changes since have been a logical evolution & a smooth transition.
They did not require a change in how we employ the English language.
It did not require an inquiry of every individual of how they preferred to be referred to,
...& then being accused of insensitivity if you fail to do so.

That’s why you kept using it……up until they got too uppity…. You have a few “tells” that you are unaware of….Old System…

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:46 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:59 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:26 pm Colored folk can’t tell you what to call ‘em.

I can recall when that was polite & preferred terminology.
The changes since have been a logical evolution & a smooth transition.
They did not require a change in how we employ the English language.
It did not require an inquiry of every individual of how they preferred to be referred to,
...& then being accused of insensitivity if you fail to do so.

That’s why you kept using it……up until they got too uppity…. You have a few “tells” that you are unaware of….Old System…

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:51 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:14 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I'm fine with the gay community. They can do as they please. This is about my speech & changing how we use the entire English language. All of a sudden, it's insensitive not to change how we use pronouns.

Nope. Same rules you were taught as a kid: address someone how they prefer to be addressed. And you don't have to use one single pronoun if you want. Address them by their formal name, and you don't have to worry about pronouns AT ALL.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I ask again -- how are Romance language cultures adapting to this ? Their entire language is gender based.

I just told you above.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:33 pm that's a stretch, even for you. Your team records are a bit confused.

No, they're fine. In each case it was about not wanting to use minimal effort to avoid calling someone something they don't want to be called. And it's about intent. And again, when I call it "your team"....I mean folks who know addressing someone in a way they don't want to be addressed is wrong....yet do it anyway. You're claiming you'd do that in the case of pronouns.

I'm claiming that you're lying, and would never intentionally be rude. Which of us is right?

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm So should we expect violence for not asking about & using the preferred pronoun ?

No...but how is it you think folks stopped using racial slurs or things like the word "boy" so quickly? Consequences, my friend. Real world consequences.

Old Guy has said he’s not going to be cowed into being politically correct. Nobody is going to tell him how to refer to people. It’s his stance.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:21 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:46 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:59 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:26 pm Colored folk can’t tell you what to call ‘em.

I can recall when that was polite & preferred terminology.
The changes since have been a logical evolution & a smooth transition.
They did not require a change in how we employ the English language.
It did not require an inquiry of every individual of how they preferred to be referred to,
...& then being accused of insensitivity if you fail to do so.

That’s why you kept using it……up until they got too uppity…. You have a few “tells” that you are unaware of….Old System…

No I did not. Prove it. You don't know me other than what I post in this forum.
From the age of 17, I lived & worked in close quarters with other Americans of all races while serving in the military.
It was easy to use the politically correct terminology. We were instructed how to do so.
If you look at the links I posted above you will see how the different services are attempting to deal with this issue.
This issue is much more complex. You didn't have to inquire about anyone's race. You treated everyone the same.

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:14 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I'm fine with the gay community. They can do as they please. This is about my speech & changing how we use the entire English language. All of a sudden, it's insensitive not to change how we use pronouns.

Nope. Same rules you were taught as a kid: address someone how they prefer to be addressed. And you don't have to use one single pronoun if you want. I already said I use the same workaround you're proposing. Not everyone is in a position to use that workaround.Address them by their formal name, and you don't have to worry about pronouns AT ALL. You still have to use 3rd person pronouns in other communications & correspondence. What do they use for gender on coroner's reports ?

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I ask again -- how are Romance language cultures adapting to this ? Their entire language is gender based.

I just told you above.
Romance languages are not as gender neutral as English. You'll end up insulting someone by referring to them as "it", as if they were an animal.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:33 pm that's a stretch, even for you. Your team records are a bit confused.

No, they're fine. In each case it was about not wanting to use minimal effort to avoid calling someone something they don't want to be called. And it's about intent. It's hardly minimal effort to do what the trans community is advocating. And again, when I call it "your team"....I mean folks who know addressing someone in a way they don't want to be addressed is wrong....yet do it anyway. You're claiming you'd do that in the case of pronouns. NO I am not. I'd use a convoluted workaround, but that's not possible for everyone in all situations.

I'm claiming that you're lying, and would never intentionally be rude. Which of us is right?
You are lying on my behalf, by misrepresenting my position, as is your wont.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm So should we expect violence for not asking about & using the preferred pronoun ?

No...but how is it you think folks stopped using racial slurs or things like the word "boy" so quickly? Consequences, my friend. Real world consequences.
This is not the same thing. You continue to ignore the critical difference. You can't know, with certainty, a person's preferred pronoun without asking. Your race analogy is bogus. There are no race based pronouns. The word "boy" is still used in other contexts.

I agree on your workaround. That works fine when addressing someone directly. That is no longer the case when you must communicate, verbally or in writing, about another person. It is still necessary to use 3rd person pronouns. That's why the military is going to such great links now to change & comply. See the links I posted above from the Navy & AF. It's eve more complex for the Army -- they're basing it on medical status.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:43 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:21 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:46 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:59 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:26 pm Colored folk can’t tell you what to call ‘em.

I can recall when that was polite & preferred terminology.
The changes since have been a logical evolution & a smooth transition.
They did not require a change in how we employ the English language.
It did not require an inquiry of every individual of how they preferred to be referred to,
...& then being accused of insensitivity if you fail to do so.

That’s why you kept using it……up until they got too uppity…. You have a few “tells” that you are unaware of….Old System…

No I did not. Prove it. You don't know me other than what I post in this forum.
From the age of 17, I lived & worked in close quarters with other Americans of all races while serving in the military.
It was easy to use the politically correct terminology. We were instructed how to do so.
If you look at the links I posted above you will see how the different services are attempting to deal with this issue.
This issue is much more complex. You didn't have to inquire about anyone's race. You treated everyone the same.

Prove you didn’t…..I only know your persona here. That’s all I can go on. You may be a fine fellow otherwise. Nobody said the issue isn’t complex…not making fun of people that want to be referred to a certain way isn’t complex either…..didn’t relax you needed to be formally commanded….but hey, you don’t have to be cowed by these woke folk.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:27 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:51 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:14 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I'm fine with the gay community. They can do as they please. This is about my speech & changing how we use the entire English language. All of a sudden, it's insensitive not to change how we use pronouns.

Nope. Same rules you were taught as a kid: address someone how they prefer to be addressed. And you don't have to use one single pronoun if you want. Address them by their formal name, and you don't have to worry about pronouns AT ALL.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I ask again -- how are Romance language cultures adapting to this ? Their entire language is gender based.

I just told you above.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:33 pm that's a stretch, even for you. Your team records are a bit confused.

No, they're fine. In each case it was about not wanting to use minimal effort to avoid calling someone something they don't want to be called. And it's about intent. And again, when I call it "your team"....I mean folks who know addressing someone in a way they don't want to be addressed is wrong....yet do it anyway. You're claiming you'd do that in the case of pronouns.

I'm claiming that you're lying, and would never intentionally be rude. Which of us is right?

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm So should we expect violence for not asking about & using the preferred pronoun ?

No...but how is it you think folks stopped using racial slurs or things like the word "boy" so quickly? Consequences, my friend. Real world consequences.

Old Guy has said he’s not going to be cowed into being politically correct. Nobody is going to tell him how to refer to people. It’s his stance.

That does not mean I'm insensitive. I can work around the issue. I don't have the need, in my current circumstances, to use 3rd person pronouns when dealing with others. I'm observing, with amusement, the attempts of others to do so.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 5:06 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:43 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:21 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:46 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:59 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:26 pm Colored folk can’t tell you what to call ‘em.

I can recall when that was polite & preferred terminology.
The changes since have been a logical evolution & a smooth transition.
They did not require a change in how we employ the English language.
It did not require an inquiry of every individual of how they preferred to be referred to,
...& then being accused of insensitivity if you fail to do so.

That’s why you kept using it……up until they got too uppity…. You have a few “tells” that you are unaware of….Old System…

No I did not. Prove it. You don't know me other than what I post in this forum.
From the age of 17, I lived & worked in close quarters with other Americans of all races while serving in the military.
It was easy to use the politically correct terminology. We were instructed how to do so.
If you look at the links I posted above you will see how the different services are attempting to deal with this issue.
This issue is much more complex. You didn't have to inquire about anyone's race. You treated everyone the same.

Prove you didn’t…..I only know your persona here. That’s all I can go on. You may be a fine fellow otherwise. Nobody said the issue isn’t complex…not making fun of people that want to be referred to a certain way isn’t complex either…..didn’t relax you needed to be formally commanded….but hey, you don’t have to be cowed by these woke folk.

That makes it easy. Just assume the worst about anyone who does not share your opinion.

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:58 pm You still have to use 3rd person pronouns in other communications & correspondence

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:33 pm You are lying on my behalf, by misrepresenting my position, as is your wont.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm Your race analogy is bogus. There are no race based pronouns. The word "boy" is still used in other contexts.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I agree on your workaround. That works fine when addressing someone directly. That is no longer the case when you must communicate, verbally or in writing, about another person. It is still necessary to use 3rd person pronouns. That's why the military is going to such great links now to change & comply. See the links I posted above from the Navy & AF. It's eve more complex for the Army -- they're basing it on medical status.

a fan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 5:10 pm

old salt wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:58 pm You still have to use 3rd person pronouns in other communications & correspondence

No, you don't.

Pronoun: any of a small set of words (such as I, she, he, you, it, we, or they) in a language that are used as substitutes for nouns or noun phrases and whose referents are named or understood in the context

Pronouns are optional. Don't want to be tripped up by them? Use nouns. Fake problem solved. It's even easier in the armed forces.

Lieutenant Anderson told me to move this jeep. There. Done. You need any other grammar helpers while I'm here?

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:33 pm You are lying on my behalf, by misrepresenting my position, as is your wont.

Again, you do the same all the time. I just don't whine about it.

As for lying----you're just fine with all of this, and acting like you have a grammar school education, instead of a degree from one of the best colleges on the planet. You're trying to make hay because your right wing media sources told you to. So that's what you're gonna do------pretend like this is SO difficult.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm Your race analogy is bogus. There are no race based pronouns. The word "boy" is still used in other contexts.

There are plenty of race based nouns. Pretending like pronouns are special and sooper complicated is getting your nowhere. Unlike many FoxNation (and MSNBC, since we're here) viewers, you aren't a drooling moron.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:50 pm I agree on your workaround. That works fine when addressing someone directly. That is no longer the case when you must communicate, verbally or in writing, about another person. It is still necessary to use 3rd person pronouns. That's why the military is going to such great links now to change & comply. See the links I posted above from the Navy & AF. It's eve more complex for the Army -- they're basing it on medical status.

Leave it to the military to make such an easy thing into something complicated.

Use nouns. That's it. Fake problem solved. And military jargon already sounds like the speaker has a pole shoved up their *ss.....it's the PERFECT place to use only nouns. Name and rank, every time, all the time. Boom, done.