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Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:42 am
by cradleandshoot
https://freebeacon.com/culture/the-wages-of-woke-2/

I have to hand it to this woman. She took her ideology and with some fortunate good timing has made herself a boatload full of moolah. Sounds like good old fashioned capitalism at work. ;)

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:47 am
by Peter Brown
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:42 am https://freebeacon.com/culture/the-wages-of-woke-2/

I have to hand it to this woman. She took her ideology and with some fortunate good timing has made herself a boatload full of moolah. Sounds like good old fashioned capitalism at work. ;)


Absolutely!

Of course that does not preclude everyone mocking her at the same time. Her gig is remarkably similar to a carnival barker except not nearly as honest.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:01 am
by tech37
"DiAngelo’s wealth is jarring in part because of her criticisms of white privilege. It is also surprising given that available evidence suggests the anti-bias training she peddles does not work."

"In fact, recent studies suggest anti-bias training's primary effect may be to encourage discrimination:"


:lol:

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:54 pm
by CU77
Can I get a citation of the publications of these "recent studies" please?

I like to read them myself.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:02 pm
by youthathletics
Just copy and past the text....which is a quote, google will find it.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:13 pm
by CU77
As I suspected, the studies do NOT say that diversity training doesn't work, but only that CERTAIN TYPES don't work.
In analyzing three decades’ worth of data from more than 800 U.S. firms and interviewing hundreds of line managers and executives at length, we’ve seen that companies get better results when they ease up on the control tactics. It’s more effective to engage managers in solving the problem, increase their on-the-job contact with female and minority workers, and promote social accountability—the desire to look fair-minded. That’s why interventions such as targeted college recruitment, mentoring programs, self-managed teams, and task forces have boosted diversity in businesses. Some of the most effective solutions aren’t even designed with diversity in mind.
https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:27 am
by cradleandshoot
CU77 wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:13 pm As I suspected, the studies do NOT say that diversity training doesn't work, but only that CERTAIN TYPES don't work.
In analyzing three decades’ worth of data from more than 800 U.S. firms and interviewing hundreds of line managers and executives at length, we’ve seen that companies get better results when they ease up on the control tactics. It’s more effective to engage managers in solving the problem, increase their on-the-job contact with female and minority workers, and promote social accountability—the desire to look fair-minded. That’s why interventions such as targeted college recruitment, mentoring programs, self-managed teams, and task forces have boosted diversity in businesses. Some of the most effective solutions aren’t even designed with diversity in mind.
https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail
When diversity training is done properly, it is a useful tool. If it is done in a half arse manner, it will be a disaster and cause more harm than good. If you tell a female co-worker "you look nice today" and you find yourself being written up for sexual harassment, then you know DT has gone a bridge too far.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:49 am
by Peter Brown
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:27 am
CU77 wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:13 pm As I suspected, the studies do NOT say that diversity training doesn't work, but only that CERTAIN TYPES don't work.
In analyzing three decades’ worth of data from more than 800 U.S. firms and interviewing hundreds of line managers and executives at length, we’ve seen that companies get better results when they ease up on the control tactics. It’s more effective to engage managers in solving the problem, increase their on-the-job contact with female and minority workers, and promote social accountability—the desire to look fair-minded. That’s why interventions such as targeted college recruitment, mentoring programs, self-managed teams, and task forces have boosted diversity in businesses. Some of the most effective solutions aren’t even designed with diversity in mind.
https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail
When diversity training is done properly, it is a useful tool. If it is done in a half arse manner, it will be a disaster and cause more harm than good. If you tell a female co-worker "you look nice today" and you find yourself being written up for sexual harassment, then you know DT has gone a bridge too far.


The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:52 am
by Peter Brown
It should come as no surprise to anyone with a functional brain that Biden's presumptive #1 pick now for VP, Karen Bass, has in her past said some very complimentary things about Fidel Castro, and now on the eve of being nominated by Biden, she's attempting to walk back the comments.

As a reminder about who Castro truly is, this might help:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 82148.html

“How many in jail since 1959? How many executed? How many lost at sea? I can’t even guess.”

The reason American Democrats adore Castro is because he ruled like they would if they could. Freedom means nothing to most Democrats. Power and coercion do.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:48 am
by holmes435
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:49 amThe best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
Which is why companies were so incredibly diverse a few decades ago and earlier... :roll:

Unfettered capitalism created and perpetuated the slave trade. Try again.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:13 am
by jhu72
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:49 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:27 am
CU77 wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:13 pm As I suspected, the studies do NOT say that diversity training doesn't work, but only that CERTAIN TYPES don't work.
In analyzing three decades’ worth of data from more than 800 U.S. firms and interviewing hundreds of line managers and executives at length, we’ve seen that companies get better results when they ease up on the control tactics. It’s more effective to engage managers in solving the problem, increase their on-the-job contact with female and minority workers, and promote social accountability—the desire to look fair-minded. That’s why interventions such as targeted college recruitment, mentoring programs, self-managed teams, and task forces have boosted diversity in businesses. Some of the most effective solutions aren’t even designed with diversity in mind.
https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail
When diversity training is done properly, it is a useful tool. If it is done in a half arse manner, it will be a disaster and cause more harm than good. If you tell a female co-worker "you look nice today" and you find yourself being written up for sexual harassment, then you know DT has gone a bridge too far.


The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
Peanut Butters idea of diversity training:
Child labor in the United States (14).jpg
Child labor in the United States (14).jpg (137.6 KiB) Viewed 1413 times
^^^ the brightest and best at the start of the 20th century

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:31 am
by DMac
The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
You've said an awful lot of stupid things, Peter, but this one has to rank pretty high on the list.
Capatilism has ruled the land from pretty much day one, no? Why any discussion about diversity in 2020 then?

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:39 am
by 6ftstick
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:13 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:49 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:27 am
CU77 wrote: Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:13 pm As I suspected, the studies do NOT say that diversity training doesn't work, but only that CERTAIN TYPES don't work.
In analyzing three decades’ worth of data from more than 800 U.S. firms and interviewing hundreds of line managers and executives at length, we’ve seen that companies get better results when they ease up on the control tactics. It’s more effective to engage managers in solving the problem, increase their on-the-job contact with female and minority workers, and promote social accountability—the desire to look fair-minded. That’s why interventions such as targeted college recruitment, mentoring programs, self-managed teams, and task forces have boosted diversity in businesses. Some of the most effective solutions aren’t even designed with diversity in mind.
https://hbr.org/2016/07/why-diversity-programs-fail
When diversity training is done properly, it is a useful tool. If it is done in a half arse manner, it will be a disaster and cause more harm than good. If you tell a female co-worker "you look nice today" and you find yourself being written up for sexual harassment, then you know DT has gone a bridge too far.


The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
Peanut Butters idea of diversity training:

Child labor in the United States (14).jpg

^^^ the brightest and best at the start of the 20th century
More white privilidge

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:04 am
by Peter Brown
DMac wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:31 am
The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
You've said an awful lot of stupid things, Peter, but this one has to rank pretty high on the list.
Capatilism has ruled the land from pretty much day one, no? Why any discussion about diversity in 2020 then?


Capitalism to the extent that it tenuously exists has only existed for maybe 100 years.

There are 18,000,000 millionaires in America. 8% of all millionaires in America are black. There are at least 6 black billionaires. That means that 1,400,000 black people in America are millionaires.

Could you tell the board which system is better for blacks? Do you prefer the agrarian economies of sub-Saharan Africa?

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:19 am
by jhu72
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:04 am
DMac wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:31 am
The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
You've said an awful lot of stupid things, Peter, but this one has to rank pretty high on the list.
Capatilism has ruled the land from pretty much day one, no? Why any discussion about diversity in 2020 then?


Capitalism to the extent that it tenuously exists has only existed for maybe 100 years.

There are 18,000,000 millionaires in America. 8% of all millionaires in America are black. There are at least 6 black billionaires. That means that 1,400,000 black people in America are millionaires.

Could you tell the board which system is better for blacks? Do you prefer the agrarian economies of sub-Saharan Africa?
^^^^ This is what they teach in a Florida University??? :lol: :lol:

… capitalism has existed, fully formed since the 17th century - ie., about 1650. Its roots go back two hundred years before that. BLACKS WERE TRADED COMMODITIES UNDER CAPITALISM. Capitalism is not an American invention.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:22 am
by Peter Brown
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:19 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:04 am
DMac wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:31 am
The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
You've said an awful lot of stupid things, Peter, but this one has to rank pretty high on the list.
Capatilism has ruled the land from pretty much day one, no? Why any discussion about diversity in 2020 then?
Capitalism to the extent that it tenuously exists has only existed for maybe 100 years.

There are 18,000,000 millionaires in America. 8% of all millionaires in America are black. There are at least 6 black billionaires. That means that 1,400,000 black people in America are millionaires.

Could you tell the board which system is better for blacks? Do you prefer the agrarian economies of sub-Saharan Africa?
^^^^ This is what they teach in a Florida University???

… capitalism has existed, fully formed since the 17th century - ie., about 1650. Its roots go back two hundred years before that. BLACKS WERE TRADED COMMODITIES UNDER CAPITALISM. Capitalism is not an American invention.


Wait. One one hand you keep telling us we are already a socialist paradise and a little more socialism wouldn't be felt, on the other you say we are a greedy capitalist thunderdome. Which is it?

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:29 am
by jhu72
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:22 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:19 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:04 am
DMac wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:31 am
The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
You've said an awful lot of stupid things, Peter, but this one has to rank pretty high on the list.
Capatilism has ruled the land from pretty much day one, no? Why any discussion about diversity in 2020 then?
Capitalism to the extent that it tenuously exists has only existed for maybe 100 years.

There are 18,000,000 millionaires in America. 8% of all millionaires in America are black. There are at least 6 black billionaires. That means that 1,400,000 black people in America are millionaires.

Could you tell the board which system is better for blacks? Do you prefer the agrarian economies of sub-Saharan Africa?
^^^^ This is what they teach in a Florida University???

… capitalism has existed, fully formed since the 17th century - ie., about 1650. Its roots go back two hundred years before that. BLACKS WERE TRADED COMMODITIES UNDER CAPITALISM. Capitalism is not an American invention.


Wait. One one hand you keep telling us we are already a socialist paradise and a little more socialism wouldn't be felt, on the other you say we are a greedy capitalist thunderdome. Which is it?
… "we" aren't a paradise, socialist or any other kind. :lol: :lol: meanwhile before you tried to move the goalpost - lets explore why you think capitalism has only existed for 100 years or so, while everyone with anything between their ears, but air, knows this is total bullsh!t.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:33 am
by Peter Brown
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:29 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:22 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:19 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:04 am
DMac wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:31 am
The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
You've said an awful lot of stupid things, Peter, but this one has to rank pretty high on the list.
Capatilism has ruled the land from pretty much day one, no? Why any discussion about diversity in 2020 then?
Capitalism to the extent that it tenuously exists has only existed for maybe 100 years.

There are 18,000,000 millionaires in America. 8% of all millionaires in America are black. There are at least 6 black billionaires. That means that 1,400,000 black people in America are millionaires.

Could you tell the board which system is better for blacks? Do you prefer the agrarian economies of sub-Saharan Africa?
^^^^ This is what they teach in a Florida University???

… capitalism has existed, fully formed since the 17th century - ie., about 1650. Its roots go back two hundred years before that. BLACKS WERE TRADED COMMODITIES UNDER CAPITALISM. Capitalism is not an American invention.
Wait. One one hand you keep telling us we are already a socialist paradise and a little more socialism wouldn't be felt, on the other you say we are a greedy capitalist thunderdome. Which is it?
… "we" aren't a paradise, socialist or any other kind. :lol: :lol: meanwhile before you tried to move the goalpost - lets explore why you think capitalism has only existed for 100 years or so, while everyone with anything between their ears, but air, knows this is total bullsh!t.


I'd like to explore two things first:

what should the maximum gross (federal, stae, and local) income tax rate be for any one human being, regardless of income?

do you think a political party that attracts grown men in pink tutus who scream incoherently at police is a party that we should respect?

Answer one or the other, but preferably both...I always prefer to know ahead of time the substance of anyone I debate.

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:43 am
by jhu72
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:33 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:29 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:22 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:19 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:04 am
DMac wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:31 am
The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
You've said an awful lot of stupid things, Peter, but this one has to rank pretty high on the list.
Capatilism has ruled the land from pretty much day one, no? Why any discussion about diversity in 2020 then?
Capitalism to the extent that it tenuously exists has only existed for maybe 100 years.

There are 18,000,000 millionaires in America. 8% of all millionaires in America are black. There are at least 6 black billionaires. That means that 1,400,000 black people in America are millionaires.

Could you tell the board which system is better for blacks? Do you prefer the agrarian economies of sub-Saharan Africa?
^^^^ This is what they teach in a Florida University???

… capitalism has existed, fully formed since the 17th century - ie., about 1650. Its roots go back two hundred years before that. BLACKS WERE TRADED COMMODITIES UNDER CAPITALISM. Capitalism is not an American invention.
Wait. One one hand you keep telling us we are already a socialist paradise and a little more socialism wouldn't be felt, on the other you say we are a greedy capitalist thunderdome. Which is it?
… "we" aren't a paradise, socialist or any other kind. :lol: :lol: meanwhile before you tried to move the goalpost - lets explore why you think capitalism has only existed for 100 years or so, while everyone with anything between their ears, but air, knows this is total bullsh!t.


I'd like to explore two things first:

what should the maximum gross (federal, stae, and local) income tax rate be for any one human being, regardless of income?

do you think a political party that attracts grown men in pink tutus who scream incoherently at police is a party that we should respect?

Answer one or the other, but preferably both...I always prefer to know ahead of time the substance of anyone I debate.
... I know your substance, it is obvious and no question is needed to ascertain it. :lol: :lol:

Re: Progressive Ideology

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:26 pm
by Peter Brown
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:43 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:33 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:29 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:22 am
jhu72 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:19 am
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:04 am
DMac wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:31 am
The best diversity training you can ever engage in is called capitalism. You are forced to hire the best and brightest or your competition eats you alive.
You've said an awful lot of stupid things, Peter, but this one has to rank pretty high on the list.
Capatilism has ruled the land from pretty much day one, no? Why any discussion about diversity in 2020 then?
Capitalism to the extent that it tenuously exists has only existed for maybe 100 years.

There are 18,000,000 millionaires in America. 8% of all millionaires in America are black. There are at least 6 black billionaires. That means that 1,400,000 black people in America are millionaires.

Could you tell the board which system is better for blacks? Do you prefer the agrarian economies of sub-Saharan Africa?
^^^^ This is what they teach in a Florida University???

… capitalism has existed, fully formed since the 17th century - ie., about 1650. Its roots go back two hundred years before that. BLACKS WERE TRADED COMMODITIES UNDER CAPITALISM. Capitalism is not an American invention.
Wait. One one hand you keep telling us we are already a socialist paradise and a little more socialism wouldn't be felt, on the other you say we are a greedy capitalist thunderdome. Which is it?
… "we" aren't a paradise, socialist or any other kind. :lol: :lol: meanwhile before you tried to move the goalpost - lets explore why you think capitalism has only existed for 100 years or so, while everyone with anything between their ears, but air, knows this is total bullsh!t.


I'd like to explore two things first:

what should the maximum gross (federal, stae, and local) income tax rate be for any one human being, regardless of income?

do you think a political party that attracts grown men in pink tutus who scream incoherently at police is a party that we should respect?

Answer one or the other, but preferably both...I always prefer to know ahead of time the substance of anyone I debate.
... I know your substance, it is obvious and no question is needed to ascertain it. :lol: :lol:



Your non-answer is all I needed. Thanks.

(by the way for anyone playing at home, the quickest way to ascertain the true intelligence of anyone from the Left you care to debate, simply ask the one fundamental question I did above which cuts through all of the extraneous noise: 'what's the maximum gross income tax rate (federal, state, and local) that any one taxpayer should be forced to pay?' Their answer is revealing of all else they hold dear to their hearts and mind; as you decipher their answer, what they're actually saying is they'd be content to take ___% from you)