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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:25 am
by MDlaxfan76
njbill wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:01 pm
He’s that way with a lot of posters. He eases up on old timers, but really goes after new posters and posters he doesn’t know.
If Trump is indicted, it will be interesting to see how his arrest is handled. Will he appear voluntarily, trying to avoid a spectacle? Or will he hole himself up at Mar-a-Lago and force some type of confrontation like Roger Stone did? I wouldn’t put it past him to orchestrate a “really big shew” and then try to use the video to inflame his base. He does like attention.
In addition to his intensely dismissive and even threatening attitude about the other poster's knowledge, which knowledge seemed considerable and rational (but I don't know the actual laws involved), it was his comment about the prosecutor which caught my attention as having an agenda, an 'axe to grind'. Others challenged the veracity and reasonableness of his characterization with what appeared to be well informed counterpoints, but he was dismissive of those as well.
I'm interested in the legal machinations, but it was the 'axe' that caught my attention.
I get a bit antsy when I see very personal attacks on a prosecutor who seems to have actually kept a low personal profile on an extremely high profile case, appears to have grand jury recommendations that will be visible to all at some point, and yet hasn't yet formally indicted anyone.
That's disturbing, especially in the context of the Georgia law being passed...a clear threat to her, it would seem.
I've seen prosecutors who are flamboyant in their publicity seeking, often with weak cases, but that doesn't seem to be the case here...
Re the Trump actual indictment and arrest process, rather than predict what will happen, I think the best steps are to assume the cooperation of a target like Trump until he proves uncooperative. Once that happens then a more forceful process is way more easily justified. It would be different if there was a belief that the arrest would be more likely violent if a warning or if more likely to have evidence destroyed if notice given, but the likelihood of violence is probably higher if perceived to be heavy-handed.
If predicting, I think it's 50:50 as to which path he takes. However, given my own low opinion of him, if forced to bet, I'd bet he makes it into a show somehow, but doesn't flee the country. Too much grift yet to be had here in the US, too much arrogance to believe he can't beat the system yet again.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:52 am
by Seacoaster(1)
Everyone enjoying the Horst Wessell-ization going on because of Carlson's film editing?
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:08 am
by njbill
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:25 am
njbill wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:01 pm
He’s that way with a lot of posters. He eases up on old timers, but really goes after new posters and posters he doesn’t know.
If Trump is indicted, it will be interesting to see how his arrest is handled. Will he appear voluntarily, trying to avoid a spectacle? Or will he hole himself up at Mar-a-Lago and force some type of confrontation like Roger Stone did? I wouldn’t put it past him to orchestrate a “really big shew” and then try to use the video to inflame his base. He does like attention.
In addition to his intensely dismissive and even threatening attitude about the other poster's knowledge, which knowledge seemed considerable and rational (but I don't know the actual laws involved), it was his comment about the prosecutor which caught my attention as having an agenda, an 'axe to grind'. Others challenged the veracity and reasonableness of his characterization with what appeared to be well informed counterpoints, but he was dismissive of those as well.
I'm interested in the legal machinations, but it was the 'axe' that caught my attention.
I get a bit antsy when I see very personal attacks on a prosecutor who seems to have actually kept a low personal profile on an extremely high profile case, appears to have grand jury recommendations that will be visible to all at some point, and yet hasn't yet formally indicted anyone.
That's disturbing, especially in the context of the Georgia law being passed...a clear threat to her, it would seem.
I've seen prosecutors who are flamboyant in their publicity seeking, often with weak cases, but that doesn't seem to be the case here...
Re the Trump actual indictment and arrest process, rather than predict what will happen, I think the best steps are to assume the cooperation of a target like Trump until he proves uncooperative. Once that happens then a more forceful process is way more easily justified. It would be different if there was a belief that the arrest would be more likely violent if a warning or if more likely to have evidence destroyed if notice given, but the likelihood of violence is probably higher if perceived to be heavy-handed.
If predicting, I think it's 50:50 as to which path he takes. However, given my own low opinion of him, if forced to bet, I'd bet he makes it into a show somehow, but doesn't flee the country. Too much grift yet to be had here in the US, too much arrogance to believe he can't beat the system yet again.
I pretty much agree. I suspect it will be carefully orchestrated by Trump. On the one hand, he doesn’t want any video out there that could be said to show him being humiliated in any fashion. On the other, he wants video showing that “the man” is coming to get him. I think there is zero chance he would flee the country. That would be a huge mistake.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:49 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:28 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:33 am
Sure, I get it, the CHP are doing a great job leading him 'away' from members of congress, places they do not want him to go, and in a calm demeanor buying time for others to get to safety.
Ah, good. You get it. Plain as day they were deescalating in an impossible situation with someone who clearly isn't playing with a full deck.
Apparently Tucker thinks the preferable choice for those policemen was to empty their clips in the guy.
I've said it before, but we are REALLY lucking those men and women didn't simply form a line, guns drawn and start shooting. Something that would have been perfectly legal for them to do.
What FoxNation is doing now is BLAMING the police for not doing that, because they think it makes it sound like hundreds of angry people storming the Capitol building while the full Senate is inside is just no big deal. Like a parade with floats and clowns on tricycles.
It's working with their viewers, btw. Which is why they're doing it.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:48 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
Fox News is the Völkischer Beobachter of the GOP. You are witnessing the mythmaking and hero creation to which Goebbels devoted himself, in the faces and words of the Fox network. Hannity, Ingraham, and Carlson are the team, supported by the cheerleading unit of Watters, Bartiromo, and the idiot Kilmeade. The supposedly "straight journalists" have been exposed as nothing more than front-office faces of the charlatan network.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:52 pm
by Kismet
Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:48 pm
Fox News is the Völkischer Beobachter of the GOP. You are witnessing the mythmaking and hero creation to which Goebbels devoted himself, in the faces and words of the Fox network. Hannity, Ingraham, and Carlson are the team, supported by the cheerleading unit of Watters, Bartiromo, and the idiot Kilmeade. The supposedly "straight journalists" have been exposed as nothing more than front-office faces of the charlatan network.
Yep. Compare against Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda here -
https://www.physics.smu.edu/pseudo/Prop ... bbels.html
Of course, it might overly sensitize "regular" folks like Cradle
who thinks WE are the problem.
Another book on fascism by Professor Jason Stanley at Yale that Credle isn't interesting in reading
https://www.openculture.com/2018/10/yal ... scism.html
Yale Professor Jason Stanley Identifies 3 Essential Features of Fascism: Invoking a Mythic Past, Sowing Division & Attacking Truth
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:03 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
It'll never happen, so let's grow beans and tomatoes and blame Kathy Hochul for stuff.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:16 pm
by Seacoaster(1)
Luckily for all of us, Elon is jumping in and making sure everyone gets the straight dope:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633021151197954048
But you know, free speech man!!
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:07 pm
by a fan
He's smart enough to know that he's playing his audience.
He's acting like the Jan6th committee is who convicted those felons. And TinFoilHat nation will buy it.
The rest of us understand that believe it or not, the Dem-led committee had NOTHING to do with the Federal prosecution of those idiots. That happened in our Federal courts.
Sucks to see such a smart man waste his time with this stupid stuff. But whatever. It's his time, not mine, so.......
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:10 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Now I remember why I blocked Elon Musk’s posts from my view. I looked at a few of his tweets. Rancid.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:12 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:10 pm
Now I remember why I blocked Elon Musk’s posts from my view. I looked at a few of his tweets. Rancid.
Why you on Twitter? Are there pics of Daddario I’m unaware of?
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:33 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:12 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:10 pm
Now I remember why I blocked Elon Musk’s posts from my view. I looked at a few of his tweets. Rancid.
Why you on Twitter? Are there pics of Daddario I’m unaware of?
Lacrosse and Jazz
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:56 am
by NattyBohChamps04
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:12 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:10 pm
Now I remember why I blocked Elon Musk’s posts from my view. I looked at a few of his tweets. Rancid.
Why you on Twitter? Are there pics of Daddario I’m unaware of?
"That True Detectie Scene With Alexandra Daddario" covers most of it if you're thirsty.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:56 am
by Farfromgeneva
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:56 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:12 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:10 pm
Now I remember why I blocked Elon Musk’s posts from my view. I looked at a few of his tweets. Rancid.
Why you on Twitter? Are there pics of Daddario I’m unaware of?
"That True Detectie Scene With Alexandra Daddario" covers most of it if you're thirsty.
You mean my Mona Lisa? Yes it’s the #3 memory in the bank behind the scenes where my two children were born. I think Woody Harreslons character was completely rational in his approach to her other date. That dude got off easy.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:53 pm
by youthathletics
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:04 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:02 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
Wonder what happened a long time before that, and what happened after that...
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:12 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:02 pm
Wonder what happened a long time before that, and what happened after that...
I just scrolled down a few of those posts..... that stuff pollutes the mind. People actually spend time reading and participating in that stuff?
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:55 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:12 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:02 pm
Wonder what happened a long time before that, and what happened after that...
I just scrolled down a few of those posts..... that stuff pollutes the mind. People actually spend time reading and participating in that stuff?
Was asking more about the actual timeline. Who encouraged them to go to the capitol and attack it in the first place? And whether they followed shaman's instructions to go home, or if they kept attacking the capitol, shaman included?
Guess we'll never know until Tucker releases all the remaining footage...