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njbill wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:32 pm Cuomo says only 20% of people who go on ventilators are able to come off and recover. Very sobering.

This is consistent with what I am hearing from my nephew who is an ER physician in the Poconos, one of the areas that serves as a bedroom community for NYC.

6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:44 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:41 pm According to Vice President Pence, we are the new Italy, which means we are the new standard of failure in this pandemic.

What

Daily Death rate
Italy 14 deaths per day per million.
Spain 17 deaths per day per million.
UK a little under 3 deaths per day per million.
US 1.2 deaths per day per million

Is Pence wrong?

Pence said we'd overtaken Italy in number of cases. Not that we were "the new standard in failure."

Could I have had it and been asymptomatic?

Hillmann: Coronavirus is actually quite a significant spectrum of symptoms, from people who are entirely asymptomatic and would have no idea that they have it to people with very mild, cold-like symptoms – runny nose, congestion, sore throat – to people with more flu-like symptoms – high fevers, muscle aches, shortness of breath and cough. All the way up to people with severe illness, who we’re seeing in the hospital with respiratory failure, requiring ICU care. (Editor’s note: recent reports suggest that loss of smell and taste are also signs of Covid-19 infection.)
What percentage of carriers are asymptomatic?

Dr David Buchholz: Right now in New York, we’re only testing the sickest possible people. So we have no idea. However, there was a study in Iceland, which tested [a large segment of its] population, and 50% of the people who tested positive had no symptoms.

Are people who are asymptomatic also contagious?

Hillmann: A significant proportion of people who are totally asymptomatic are contagious for some portion of time. We just don’t know [for how long] at this point, because we don’t have the kind of testing available to screen for asymptomatic infections.

If I’ve had it, can I get it again?

Buchholz: There’s not been any evidence that anyone’s gotten it more than once. Someone with a normal immune system that can react to the virus and get better should have immunity for quite some time, at least a year, if not lifelong.

There have been reports out of China suggesting people are testing positive for Covid-19 a second time. Most scientists think it is an issue around the inaccuracy of the testing and not that people are having two separate cases of the disease.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:47 pm

Florida @GovRonDeSantis tis to sign order requiring residents to 'limit movements' outside home

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... iI.twitter

"I'm going to be doing an executive order today directing all Floridians to limit movements and all personal interactions outside the home to only those necessary to obtain or provide essential services or conduct essential activities," DeSantis said at a press briefing.

Finally at least some movement from the gov...after dragging his feet for a couple of weeks...

BREAKING: Mayor on ‘Jaws’ beach finally acknowledges people are being eaten

Cooter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:53 pm https://www.yahoo.com/news/already-had- ... 11866.html

Could I have had it and been asymptomatic?

Hillmann: Coronavirus is actually quite a significant spectrum of symptoms, from people who are entirely asymptomatic and would have no idea that they have it to people with very mild, cold-like symptoms – runny nose, congestion, sore throat – to people with more flu-like symptoms – high fevers, muscle aches, shortness of breath and cough. All the way up to people with severe illness, who we’re seeing in the hospital with respiratory failure, requiring ICU care. (Editor’s note: recent reports suggest that loss of smell and taste are also signs of Covid-19 infection.)
What percentage of carriers are asymptomatic?

Dr David Buchholz: Right now in New York, we’re only testing the sickest possible people. So we have no idea. However, there was a study in Iceland, which tested [a large segment of its] population, and 50% of the people who tested positive had no symptoms.

Are people who are asymptomatic also contagious?

Hillmann: A significant proportion of people who are totally asymptomatic are contagious for some portion of time. We just don’t know [for how long] at this point, because we don’t have the kind of testing available to screen for asymptomatic infections.

If I’ve had it, can I get it again?

Buchholz: There’s not been any evidence that anyone’s gotten it more than once. Someone with a normal immune system that can react to the virus and get better should have immunity for quite some time, at least a year, if not lifelong.

There have been reports out of China suggesting people are testing positive for Covid-19 a second time. Most scientists think it is an issue around the inaccuracy of the testing and not that people are having two separate cases of the disease.

6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:41 pm According to Vice President Pence, we are the new Italy, which means we are the new standard of failure in this pandemic.

What

Daily Death rate
Italy 14 deaths per day per million.
Spain 17 deaths per day per million.
UK a little under 3 deaths per day per million.
US 1.2 deaths per day per million

ggait wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:14 pm

6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:41 pm According to Vice President Pence, we are the new Italy, which means we are the new standard of failure in this pandemic.

What

Daily Death rate
Italy 14 deaths per day per million.
Spain 17 deaths per day per million.
UK a little under 3 deaths per day per million.
US 1.2 deaths per day per million

Six -- look at the log scale curves on deaths. Italy deaths are now doubling every 8 days. Spain every 5 days. France and UK every four days. U.S. deaths every three days. US and UK daily growth in deaths today is much higher than in Spain and Italy. So we are going to be shooting past the other countries into bad territory soon.

As the Great One says, focus on where the puck is going, not where it is now.

Let's put a pin on your post and re-examine a week from now, OK?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... untry.html

CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:26 pm o d only concern...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:58 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:53 pm https://www.yahoo.com/news/already-had- ... 11866.html

Could I have had it and been asymptomatic?

Hillmann: Coronavirus is actually quite a significant spectrum of symptoms, from people who are entirely asymptomatic and would have no idea that they have it to people with very mild, cold-like symptoms – runny nose, congestion, sore throat – to people with more flu-like symptoms – high fevers, muscle aches, shortness of breath and cough. All the way up to people with severe illness, who we’re seeing in the hospital with respiratory failure, requiring ICU care. (Editor’s note: recent reports suggest that loss of smell and taste are also signs of Covid-19 infection.)
What percentage of carriers are asymptomatic?

Dr David Buchholz: Right now in New York, we’re only testing the sickest possible people. So we have no idea. However, there was a study in Iceland, which tested [a large segment of its] population, and 50% of the people who tested positive had no symptoms.

Are people who are asymptomatic also contagious?

Hillmann: A significant proportion of people who are totally asymptomatic are contagious for some portion of time. We just don’t know [for how long] at this point, because we don’t have the kind of testing available to screen for asymptomatic infections.

If I’ve had it, can I get it again?

Buchholz: There’s not been any evidence that anyone’s gotten it more than once. Someone with a normal immune system that can react to the virus and get better should have immunity for quite some time, at least a year, if not lifelong.

There have been reports out of China suggesting people are testing positive for Covid-19 a second time. Most scientists think it is an issue around the inaccuracy of the testing and not that people are having two separate cases of the disease.

On the latter, we really don't know how this will evolve. We are unable to build substantial immunity to the common cold, similar virus to CV we think, nor are we able to develop a vaccine. That's because it evolves.

Apparently there are already 8 variations that have been found of CV-19. No guarantee that they will each build immunity for the others.

Of course, that the dark perspective.

Cooter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:29 pm

CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:26 pm o d only concern...

That is pretty stupid.

6ftstick wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:31 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:29 pm

CU88 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:26 pm o d only concern...

That is pretty stupid.

More people will die from hunger poverty and depression than this virus. 10's of millions unemployed—Thats not stupid. Thats fact.

More people will die from hunger poverty and depression than this virus. 10's of millions unemployed—Thats not stupid. Thats fact.

ggait wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:39 pm

More people will die from hunger poverty and depression than this virus. 10's of millions unemployed—Thats not stupid. Thats fact.

Perhaps true in some scenarios, but not actionable information.

Leave the economy fully open and you get 2.2 million U.S. deaths from the virus. Total U.S. deaths in a year is 2.8 million. And at that level (as Bill Gates correctly points out) you can't have a functioning economy anyway.

Realtor showing a house for sale: here's the open concept kitchen, there's the big family room, oh don't worry about that pile of bodies in the corner...

So please, Six, tell us what YOUR plan would be?

ggait wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:39 pm

More people will die from hunger poverty and depression than this virus. 10's of millions unemployed—Thats not stupid. Thats fact.

Perhaps true in some scenarios. I myself am terrified of the economic fallout. But that isn't actionable information.

Leave the economy fully open and you get 2.2 million U.S. deaths from the virus. Total U.S. deaths in a year is 2.8 million. And at that level (as Bill Gates correctly points out) you can't have a functioning economy anyway.

Realtor showing a house for sale: here's the open concept kitchen, there's the big family room, oh don't worry about that pile of bodies in the corner...

So please, Six, tell us what YOUR plan would be?

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:42 pm A good news story.