Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:26 pm
Same Party, Different House
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Instead of casting aspersions at the Capitol Police, I wonder whether Salty would be fine with having a much, much larger Capitol Police Force, with military level capabilities and the attendant budget?
Let's see how they do after they update their weapons quals & read their intel.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:35 pmInstead of casting aspersions at the Capitol Police, I wonder whether Salty would be fine with having a much, much larger Capitol Police Force, with military level capabilities and the attendant budget?
Would they have the capabilities necessary to combat a well organized, militarized terrorist attack?
Will keep pounding you with links to good stuff but while Bad Religion originally did this I like Sublime's version better.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:41 pmOf course I do. I'm guessing you remember what a huge risk Tom Cruises character took during his line of questioning. If he didn't break him and get him to blurt out he ordered the code red against Santiago he would have been in deep chit and likely would have been court martialed for insubordination to a superior officer. He took a huge gamble knowing his arrogance would be his downfall.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:40 pmYou don't remember the entire point of being in court and the movie plot?????cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:50 amThe movie was awesome. Nicholsons character only became relevant in that last courtroom scene. The drama used by his character made me sick. The Marines on Guantanamo are not worried about being invaded by the Cuban army. There is no wall that needs to be defended. I'm not sure on any specifics when you ask me if the scenario sounded familiar. I'm interested in knowing what specific event you are referring to. FTR if your regular army or marine you are not a citizen soldier or citizen marine.... You are not a citizen anything. The thought of being a citizen again doesn't begin until your DD 214 form is in your hot little hands.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:08 amI mean Korea when I said DMZ because that’s how a bifurcation of this country should be viewed. And those like MTG arguing to split aren’t S Korea…cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:00 amThe situation in Guantanamo Bay has exactly ZERO to do with a so called DMZ in the conventional sense. You want a tense DMZ situation you need look no further than the DMZ between North and South Korea. That is where the chit will hit the fan someday. Most American citizens don't know that the only active US Army firebase is called Warrior Base. Grunts from I still believe the 2nd ID operate recon patrols into the no mans land called the DMZ. They have been doing so for decades. Some of my former soldiers in A company 2/508 airborne infantry drew the unlucky short straw and wound up via the need for infantry soldiers in Korea. The game is still played for real and roaming firefights between the Nork army still happen.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:27 amKilling our own guys?
I’m the movie Nicholson’s character lied and covered up our own killing of an American citizen soldier and only flipped to aggressive attack mode when caught. Sound familiar?
I just loved those three movies as a kid and still don’t understand how he didn’t have any Renaissance the way Robert Downey Jr or Mickey Rourke did. The rest of his CV is mostly trash.
Sorry but not my flavor in music. I'm still old school 1970s. The first time my mom saw an Alice Cooper album in my collection she was positive I was a disciple of Satan. I'm 18 was the anthem of my generation.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:18 pmWill keep pounding you with links to good stuff but while Bad Religion originally did this I like Sublime's version better.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:41 pmOf course I do. I'm guessing you remember what a huge risk Tom Cruises character took during his line of questioning. If he didn't break him and get him to blurt out he ordered the code red against Santiago he would have been in deep chit and likely would have been court martialed for insubordination to a superior officer. He took a huge gamble knowing his arrogance would be his downfall.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:40 pmYou don't remember the entire point of being in court and the movie plot?????cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:50 amThe movie was awesome. Nicholsons character only became relevant in that last courtroom scene. The drama used by his character made me sick. The Marines on Guantanamo are not worried about being invaded by the Cuban army. There is no wall that needs to be defended. I'm not sure on any specifics when you ask me if the scenario sounded familiar. I'm interested in knowing what specific event you are referring to. FTR if your regular army or marine you are not a citizen soldier or citizen marine.... You are not a citizen anything. The thought of being a citizen again doesn't begin until your DD 214 form is in your hot little hands.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:08 amI mean Korea when I said DMZ because that’s how a bifurcation of this country should be viewed. And those like MTG arguing to split aren’t S Korea…cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:00 amThe situation in Guantanamo Bay has exactly ZERO to do with a so called DMZ in the conventional sense. You want a tense DMZ situation you need look no further than the DMZ between North and South Korea. That is where the chit will hit the fan someday. Most American citizens don't know that the only active US Army firebase is called Warrior Base. Grunts from I still believe the 2nd ID operate recon patrols into the no mans land called the DMZ. They have been doing so for decades. Some of my former soldiers in A company 2/508 airborne infantry drew the unlucky short straw and wound up via the need for infantry soldiers in Korea. The game is still played for real and roaming firefights between the Nork army still happen.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:27 amKilling our own guys?
I’m the movie Nicholson’s character lied and covered up our own killing of an American citizen soldier and only flipped to aggressive attack mode when caught. Sound familiar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsX3Ybe062A
I don’t know what happened to Christian Slater. I though he would have been at Johnny Depp’s level. Those were three great films.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:19 pmDid Christian Slater fail ultimately for being too much like Nicholson or other reasons? Because Heathers, Pump up the Volume and True Romance was a pretty good early run....
Gotta keep open and learning.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:27 amSorry but not my flavor in music. I'm still old school 1970s. The first time my mom saw an Alice Cooper album in my collection she was positive I was a disciple of Satan. I'm 18 was the anthem of my generation.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:18 pmWill keep pounding you with links to good stuff but while Bad Religion originally did this I like Sublime's version better.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:41 pmOf course I do. I'm guessing you remember what a huge risk Tom Cruises character took during his line of questioning. If he didn't break him and get him to blurt out he ordered the code red against Santiago he would have been in deep chit and likely would have been court martialed for insubordination to a superior officer. He took a huge gamble knowing his arrogance would be his downfall.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:40 pmYou don't remember the entire point of being in court and the movie plot?????cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:50 amThe movie was awesome. Nicholsons character only became relevant in that last courtroom scene. The drama used by his character made me sick. The Marines on Guantanamo are not worried about being invaded by the Cuban army. There is no wall that needs to be defended. I'm not sure on any specifics when you ask me if the scenario sounded familiar. I'm interested in knowing what specific event you are referring to. FTR if your regular army or marine you are not a citizen soldier or citizen marine.... You are not a citizen anything. The thought of being a citizen again doesn't begin until your DD 214 form is in your hot little hands.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:08 amI mean Korea when I said DMZ because that’s how a bifurcation of this country should be viewed. And those like MTG arguing to split aren’t S Korea…cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:00 amThe situation in Guantanamo Bay has exactly ZERO to do with a so called DMZ in the conventional sense. You want a tense DMZ situation you need look no further than the DMZ between North and South Korea. That is where the chit will hit the fan someday. Most American citizens don't know that the only active US Army firebase is called Warrior Base. Grunts from I still believe the 2nd ID operate recon patrols into the no mans land called the DMZ. They have been doing so for decades. Some of my former soldiers in A company 2/508 airborne infantry drew the unlucky short straw and wound up via the need for infantry soldiers in Korea. The game is still played for real and roaming firefights between the Nork army still happen.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:27 amKilling our own guys?
I’m the movie Nicholson’s character lied and covered up our own killing of an American citizen soldier and only flipped to aggressive attack mode when caught. Sound familiar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsX3Ybe062A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXZcJojTucg
If you were a fan of Alice Cooper in 1972 you were about as radical as you could get. David Bowie was right up there for us die hard rockers.
Johnny Depps movie level? Because at one point he was close to Johnny Depp as described in Amber Heard deposition level…Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:37 amI don’t know what happened to Christian Slater. I though he would have been at Johnny Depp’s level. Those were three great films.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:19 pmDid Christian Slater fail ultimately for being too much like Nicholson or other reasons? Because Heathers, Pump up the Volume and True Romance was a pretty good early run....
Didn’t know that!Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:47 amJohnny Depps movie level? Because at one point he was close to Johnny Depp as described in Amber Heard deposition level…Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:37 amI don’t know what happened to Christian Slater. I though he would have been at Johnny Depp’s level. Those were three great films.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:19 pmDid Christian Slater fail ultimately for being too much like Nicholson or other reasons? Because Heathers, Pump up the Volume and True Romance was a pretty good early run....
Heathers was so great, can’t believe they’re remaking it.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:15 amDidn’t know that!Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:47 amJohnny Depps movie level? Because at one point he was close to Johnny Depp as described in Amber Heard deposition level…Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:37 amI don’t know what happened to Christian Slater. I though he would have been at Johnny Depp’s level. Those were three great films.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:19 pmDid Christian Slater fail ultimately for being too much like Nicholson or other reasons? Because Heathers, Pump up the Volume and True Romance was a pretty good early run....
Yep.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:23 amHeathers was so great, can’t believe they’re remaking it.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:15 amDidn’t know that!Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:47 amJohnny Depps movie level? Because at one point he was close to Johnny Depp as described in Amber Heard deposition level…Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:37 amI don’t know what happened to Christian Slater. I though he would have been at Johnny Depp’s level. Those were three great films.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:19 pmDid Christian Slater fail ultimately for being too much like Nicholson or other reasons? Because Heathers, Pump up the Volume and True Romance was a pretty good early run....
I still jones for Winona Ryder because of it too.
..When Trump appealed Amit Mehta’s ruling that he could be sued for his role in setting off an attack on January 6, Trump said he had absolute immunity from being held accountable for his role in the attack.
The DC Circuit asked DOJ what they thought about that claim.
DOJ has now responded in an amicus filing. They argued that Mehta’s opinion — which held that it is plausible that Trump incited violence at the Capitol — would not cover stuff that is part of the President’s job description.
The government specifically and repeatedly stated that they are not endorsing Mehta’s opinion. They also make it clear that they’re not stating a view about the criminal liability of anyone for January 6.
But they are saying that if Mehta’s opinion holds, then what his opinion covers (and he excluded Trump’s inaction as areas in which he might be immune) would not be covered by the President’s job description.
Of note for Scott Perry: In the midst of a passage that explains that a President’s natural incumbency position must render some reelection speech Presidential, it also notes that that’s not true for Members of Congress, because House ethics rules exclude campaign activity from a Member of Congress’ job description.
Interesting Comment Section in this PMM post...As I was reading the four-journalist WaPo story noting what I noted (and provided far more details about) almost three months ago — that the investigation into Trump has been greatly complicated by the involvement of lawyers in his suspected crimes — I thought about how one might arrest Donald Trump. WaPo is interested in whether it can be done before the first debates in August. I’m interested in the logistics of it.
Especially given another temporal complication that WaPo, with all those reporters, doesn’t mention: That the DC Circuit, a panel including two Trump appointees, is taking its own sweet time ruling on DOJ’s application of obstruction to January 6, which was argued back in December. The January 6 Committee referred Trump for 1512(c)(2), which also happens to be the framework DOJ has been using since summer 2021. It’s virtually certain that no matter how the DC Circuit rules, the application can still be applied to Trump (because he corruptly sought a personal benefit involving documents). But if I were Jack Smith, I’d wait to see the guideposts Trump’s own appointees put on the application before I charged it. I have also long said that certain steps may be contingent on the Proud Boy trial, which seems like it’ll go on forever.
I’m not promising Trump will be arrested. But think about the logistical complexities of the task, if Smith were to decide to do it. How do you arrest a rich man — if not quite a billionaire — with access to several planes and his own MAGA army? How do you stage it, given all the potential or likely co-conspirators?
The question of how to arrest Trump is likely also a pressing issue given the likelihood that DOJ still hasn’t obtained all the documents Trump stole, given the multiple properties that haven’t been searched (including Trump’s jet).