"The Deep State" aka the American Intelligence Community

[old salt]

That's your solution -- arrest the shop owner who tried to return the abandoned laptop, then notified the FBI that he had something that might be evidence. As Hunter became a news item, he might have feared for his safety in holding such evidence.

You wanna blame the guy who called the cops. Classic liberal reflex.

Where did you come up with that? Playing dumb again?

I don't have a problem with him giving the thing to the FBI.....although that's, to put it mildly....weird. What prompted that? Why was he nosing around in a customer's emails and files?

But...why did he give copies to Rudy Giuliani? What right did he have to do that?

How was that legal, let aloe ethical?

So the evidence would not get buried. He consulted a lawyer first. Giving it to the FBI was weird ?

[MDlaxfan76]

That's your solution -- arrest the shop owner who tried to return the abandoned laptop, then notified the FBI that he had something that might be evidence. As Hunter became a news item, he might have feared for his safety in holding such evidence.

You wanna blame the guy who called the cops. Classic liberal reflex.

Where did you come up with that? Playing dumb again?

I don't have a problem with him giving the thing to the FBI.....although that's, to put it mildly....weird. What prompted that? Why was he nosing around in a customer's emails and files?

But...why did he give copies to Rudy Giuliani? What right did he have to do that?

How was that legal, let aloe ethical?

So the evidence would not get buried. He consulted a lawyer first. Giving it to the FBI was weird ?

Yes, and theft.
Very different if he was subpoenaed, or under a search warrant.

He had zero reason to suspect a crime had occurred, so zero reason to reach out to law enforcement of any kind.

And super telling that he'd call Guiliani and give him a copy.

Yes, he should be investigated for what he did, why he did it, and if he did break the law, as it sure appears to be the case, he should be charged.

[a fan]

That's your solution -- arrest the shop owner who tried to return the abandoned laptop, then notified the FBI that he had something that might be evidence. As Hunter became a news item, he might have feared for his safety in holding such evidence.

You wanna blame the guy who called the cops. Classic liberal reflex.

Where did you come up with that? Playing dumb again?

I don't have a problem with him giving the thing to the FBI.....although that's, to put it mildly....weird. What prompted that? Why was he nosing around in a customer's emails and files?

But...why did he give copies to Rudy Giuliani? What right did he have to do that?

How was that legal, let aloe ethical?

So the evidence would not get buried. He consulted a lawyer first. Giving it to the FBI was weird ?

What evidence? The dude was supposed to fix his computer...not rifle through his person stuff.

That link you gave us? The FBI officer asked if there was child porn on the computer. Why do you think he asked that.

He asked that because: "hey dude, what the F are you doing here? Why are you giving us your customer's computer?"

He wrote a book about it, OS. This is some really low, underhanded stuff.

If we're gonna expect some modicum of ethics in our politicians...shouldn't we expect the same from our citizens? I would NEVER do what this guy did.

The obvious thing to do would be to have his lawyer spend his energy getting the computer back to Hunter. It's his computer.

Either that, or destroy it. Which is surely what his procedure is for laptops that are left behind for X months without reclaiming it. Or wipe the drive and reuse it.

[old salt]

Computer guy, theft, ethics.

Hunter abandoned the laptops & did not pay for their repair. After 90 days they became abandoned property, ownership reverted to the repair shop.
This was printed on the receipt signed when it was dropped off :
“Equipment left with the Mac Shop after 90 days of notification of completed service will be treated as abandoned and you agree to hold the Mac Shop harmless for any damage or loss of property.”

Would you be blaming the computer guy for turning it in if it had plans & schematics for a terrorist attack, mass shooting or child porn ?
Selective outrage.

[a fan]

Hunter abandoned the laptops & did not pay for their repair. After 90 days they became abandoned property, ownership reverted to the repair shop.
This was printed on the receipt signed when it was dropped off :
“Equipment left with the Mac Shop after 90 days of notification of completed service will be treated as abandoned and you agree to hold the Mac Shop harmless for any damage or loss of property.”

Where's the part on the receipt about "I'm going to give copies of your hard drive to Rudy Giuliani because I feel like it?

What's that you say? Oh, right.

It's not on there. Huh. Oversight, I'm sure.

Gee, OS, I just can't figure out why you keep ignoring this part of the story.

[old salt]

Hunter abandoned the laptops & did not pay for their repair. After 90 days they became abandoned property, ownership reverted to the repair shop.
This was printed on the receipt signed when it was dropped off :
“Equipment left with the Mac Shop after 90 days of notification of completed service will be treated as abandoned and you agree to hold the Mac Shop harmless for any damage or loss of property.”

Where's the part on the receipt about "I'm going to give copies of your hard drive to Rudy Giuliani because I feel like it?

What's that you say? Oh, right.

It's not on there. Huh. Oversight, I'm sure.

Gee, OS, I just can't figure out why you keep ignoring this part of the story.

By that point, it was his to do with as he pleased. Hunter abandoned it. The FBI had it for 9 mos & never followed up with him. The election was looming & it remained buried. The media & the retired spooks tried to discredit it. Now, a year into Biden's term, the public is finally learning about it & the msm is verifying critical emails that would have mattered had they been revealed before the election. Just like the Russia collusion hoax. Perpetuate the scam long enough to get through the election, then lay down a smokescreen. Would the FBI have investigated Hunter if the laptop was never made public ?

[MDlaxfan76]

Hunter abandoned the laptops & did not pay for their repair. After 90 days they became abandoned property, ownership reverted to the repair shop.
This was printed on the receipt signed when it was dropped off :
“Equipment left with the Mac Shop after 90 days of notification of completed service will be treated as abandoned and you agree to hold the Mac Shop harmless for any damage or loss of property.”

Where's the part on the receipt about "I'm going to give copies of your hard drive to Rudy Giuliani because I feel like it?

What's that you say? Oh, right.

It's not on there. Huh. Oversight, I'm sure.

Gee, OS, I just can't figure out why you keep ignoring this part of the story.

By that point, it was his to do with as he pleased. Hunter abandoned it. The FBI had it for 9 mos & never followed up with him. The election was looming & it remained buried. The media & the retired spooks tried to discredit it. Now, a year into Biden's term, the public is finally learning about it & the msm is verifying critical emails that would have mattered had they been revealed before the election. Just like the Russia collusion hoax. Perpetuate the scam long enough to get through the election, then lay down a smokescreen. Would the FBI have investigated Hunter if the laptop was never made public ?

I guess he gave it to the wrong FBI agents, the Democrat ones...obviously the FBI is over run with these sorts...

The laptop is useless as evidence of a crime, assuming any such ever occurred.

But that's not the point, at least according to your post..."The election was looming & it remained buried...critical emails that would have mattered had they been revealed before the election."

The FBI had failed to reveal the laptop's contents to the public so that they might make a difference in the election...

So, of course he called Rudy...

Nah, the contents really can be trusted to be accurate and untampered with...

[Typical Lax Dad]

Hunter abandoned the laptops & did not pay for their repair. After 90 days they became abandoned property, ownership reverted to the repair shop.
This was printed on the receipt signed when it was dropped off :
“Equipment left with the Mac Shop after 90 days of notification of completed service will be treated as abandoned and you agree to hold the Mac Shop harmless for any damage or loss of property.”

Where's the part on the receipt about "I'm going to give copies of your hard drive to Rudy Giuliani because I feel like it?

What's that you say? Oh, right.

It's not on there. Huh. Oversight, I'm sure.

Gee, OS, I just can't figure out why you keep ignoring this part of the story.

By that point, it was his to do with as he pleased. Hunter abandoned it. The FBI had it for 9 mos & never followed up with him. The election was looming & it remained buried. The media & the retired spooks tried to discredit it. Now, a year into Biden's term, the public is finally learning about it & the msm is verifying critical emails that would have mattered had they been revealed before the election. Just like the Russia collusion hoax. Perpetuate the scam long enough to get through the election, then lay down a smokescreen. Would the FBI have investigated Hunter if the laptop was never made public ?

You were hoping for Weiner Laptop 2.0. It did Hillary in and you were hoping this would do Joe in.

[a fan]

By that point, it was his to do with as he pleased. Hunter abandoned it.

Again, you pretend that there's no such thing as right and wrong. And no such thing as thing as honorable...which is just looney tunes given your chose career.

The FBI had it for 9 mos & never followed up with him. The election was looming & it remained buried.

Right. Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime.

You understand that in this sentence, you're NOW telling us that Hillary was a hero for prompting the media to investigate Trump, right? Last week, you were angry that she did that.

The laptop has been in the hands of the media for well over a year. And not one of them can name evidence of a crime, OS.

So what's the point of all this?

The media & the retired spooks tried to discredit it.

Of course they did. They're not partisan morons, Old Salt. The story STILL stinks. And we get it...you don't care, becuase you're in your 70's, yet for some reason, the Republican party trumps everything else in your life.

Now, a year into Biden's term, the public is finally learning about it & the msm is verifying critical emails that would have mattered had they been revealed before the election

Buffalo bagels. The media, as you put it, has had this hard drive for over a year. And they can't find anything illegal. Yep, the WaPo and others now have it....and they're not impressed. Added folders and who knows what else, are on what they got....

And btw, Delaware law says that this store owner broke the law-----the laptop wasn't his, OS, after 90 days. He had to wait a year. He didn't. He gave it to the FBI in Dec, when he was legally bound to hold on to it until April. Whoops.

Let me guess: the law doesn't matter to you in this case. It's totally cool that he broke the law because, naturally, Hunter is a Democrat

Sawbuck says that this laptop is inadmissible. Which makes this whole stupid story even more stupid.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... leaked-it/

Just like the Russia collusion hoax. Perpetuate the scam long enough to get through the election, then lay down a smokescreen. Would the FBI have investigated Hunter if the laptop was never made public ?

Quick quiz: what year did the FBI start their ongoing investigation into Hunter.

[old salt]

Hunter abandoned the laptops & did not pay for their repair. After 90 days they became abandoned property, ownership reverted to the repair shop.
This was printed on the receipt signed when it was dropped off :
“Equipment left with the Mac Shop after 90 days of notification of completed service will be treated as abandoned and you agree to hold the Mac Shop harmless for any damage or loss of property.”

Where's the part on the receipt about "I'm going to give copies of your hard drive to Rudy Giuliani because I feel like it?

What's that you say? Oh, right.

It's not on there. Huh. Oversight, I'm sure.

Gee, OS, I just can't figure out why you keep ignoring this part of the story.

By that point, it was his to do with as he pleased. Hunter abandoned it. The FBI had it for 9 mos & never followed up with him. The election was looming & it remained buried. The media & the retired spooks tried to discredit it. Now, a year into Biden's term, the public is finally learning about it & the msm is verifying critical emails that would have mattered had they been revealed before the election. Just like the Russia collusion hoax. Perpetuate the scam long enough to get through the election, then lay down a smokescreen. Would the FBI have investigated Hunter if the laptop was never made public ?

I guess he gave it to the wrong FBI agents, the Democrat ones...obviously the FBI is over run with these sorts...

The laptop is useless as evidence of a crime, assuming any such ever occurred.

But that's not the point, at least according to your post..."The election was looming & it remained buried...critical emails that would have mattered had they been revealed before the election."

The FBI had failed to reveal the laptop's contents to the public so that they might make a difference in the election...

So, of course he called Rudy...

Nah, the contents really can be trusted to be accurate and untampered with...

I don't know why the FBI never contacted the computer guy. It might have been because the investigation was still underway & they did not want it to become public during an election campaign, which was supposed to be DoJ policy.

E-mails on the laptop than can be verified are valid evidence.

[old salt]

By that point, it was his to do with as he pleased. Hunter abandoned it.

Again, you pretend that there's no such thing as right and wrong. And no such thing as thing as honorable...which is just looney tunes given your chose career.

The FBI had it for 9 mos & never followed up with him. The election was looming & it remained buried.

Right. Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime.

You understand that in this sentence, you're NOW telling us that Hillary was a hero for prompting the media to investigate Trump, right? Last week, you were angry that she did that.

The laptop has been in the hands of the media for well over a year. And not one of them can name evidence of a crime, OS.

So what's the point of all this?

The media & the retired spooks tried to discredit it.

Of course they did. They're not partisan morons, Old Salt. The story STILL stinks. And we get it...you don't care, becuase you're in your 70's, yet for some reason, the Republican party trumps everything else in your life.

Now, a year into Biden's term, the public is finally learning about it & the msm is verifying critical emails that would have mattered had they been revealed before the election

Buffalo bagels. The media, as you put it, has had this hard drive for over a year. And they can't find anything illegal. Yep, the WaPo and others now have it....and they're not impressed. Added folders and who knows what else, are on what they got....

And btw, Delaware law says that this store owner broke the law-----the laptop wasn't his, OS, after 90 days. He had to wait a year. He didn't. He gave it to the FBI in Dec, when he was legally bound to hold on to it until April. Whoops.

Let me guess: the law doesn't matter to you in this case. It's totally cool that he broke the law because, naturally, Hunter is a Democrat

Sawbuck says that this laptop is inadmissible. Which makes this whole stupid story even more stupid.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... leaked-it/

Just like the Russia collusion hoax. Perpetuate the scam long enough to get through the election, then lay down a smokescreen. Would the FBI have investigated Hunter if the laptop was never made public ?

Quick quiz: what year did the FBI start their ongoing investigation into Hunter.

Your "logic" never fails to amaze.

Until proven otherwise, the computer guy did nothing wrong. He had valid evidence which he turned over to law enforcement.
HRC paid to have disinformation fabricated, & you equate the two.
One of the publications which slimed the computer guy just paid him a settlement in his slander suit.

So you still say it was ok for the old spooks to imply that it was Russian disinformation, even though that was never established.
You think the story stinks because you don't like what it revealed.
You need to read the entire WP article.

Excerpt from computer guy's book. Hunter gave him his password.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/06/mac-shop- ... ter-biden/

[Typical Lax Dad]

By that point, it was his to do with as he pleased. Hunter abandoned it.

Again, you pretend that there's no such thing as right and wrong. And no such thing as thing as honorable...which is just looney tunes given your chose career.

The FBI had it for 9 mos & never followed up with him. The election was looming & it remained buried.

Right. Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime.

You understand that in this sentence, you're NOW telling us that Hillary was a hero for prompting the media to investigate Trump, right? Last week, you were angry that she did that.

The laptop has been in the hands of the media for well over a year. And not one of them can name evidence of a crime, OS.

So what's the point of all this?

The media & the retired spooks tried to discredit it.

Of course they did. They're not partisan morons, Old Salt. The story STILL stinks. And we get it...you don't care, becuase you're in your 70's, yet for some reason, the Republican party trumps everything else in your life.

Now, a year into Biden's term, the public is finally learning about it & the msm is verifying critical emails that would have mattered had they been revealed before the election

Buffalo bagels. The media, as you put it, has had this hard drive for over a year. And they can't find anything illegal. Yep, the WaPo and others now have it....and they're not impressed. Added folders and who knows what else, are on what they got....

And btw, Delaware law says that this store owner broke the law-----the laptop wasn't his, OS, after 90 days. He had to wait a year. He didn't. He gave it to the FBI in Dec, when he was legally bound to hold on to it until April. Whoops.

Let me guess: the law doesn't matter to you in this case. It's totally cool that he broke the law because, naturally, Hunter is a Democrat

Sawbuck says that this laptop is inadmissible. Which makes this whole stupid story even more stupid.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... leaked-it/

Just like the Russia collusion hoax. Perpetuate the scam long enough to get through the election, then lay down a smokescreen. Would the FBI have investigated Hunter if the laptop was never made public ?

Quick quiz: what year did the FBI start their ongoing investigation into Hunter.

Your "logic" never fails to amaze.

Until proven otherwise, the computer guy did nothing wrong. He had valid evidence which he turned over to law enforcement.
HRC paid to have disinformation fabricated, & you equate the two.
One of the publications which slimed the computer guy just paid him a settlement in his slander suit.

So you still say it was ok for the old spooks to imply that it was Russian disinformation, even though that was never established.
You think the story stinks because you don't like what it revealed.
You need to read the entire WP article.

Excerpt from computer guy's book. Hunter gave him his password.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/06/mac-shop- ... ter-biden/

That is a lie.

[a fan]

Until proven otherwise, the computer guy did nothing wrong. He had valid evidence which he turned over to law enforcement.

Still can't muster the courage to write "he gave the laptop to Rudy freaking Giuliani", eh?

Afraid you'll turn into a cat, or something? Or are you just realizing how full on insane that was?

HRC paid to have disinformation fabricated, & you equate the two.

No. That was you. I was reacting to that.....that you can't be angry at HIllary....and then get upset as to why some would dare question this ridiculous laptop story. Computer stores don't give away computers to Rudy Giuliani, no matter how badly you want this to appear to be the most normal thing in the world. You're lying here. You know doggone well that that's batsh*t crazy.

So you still say it was ok for the old spooks to imply that it was Russian disinformation, even though that was never established.

They said, correctly, that it has all the hallmarks of disinformation. And this has NOT been refuted, since you're playing fast and loose with language.

You think the story stinks because you don't like what it revealed.

Great. Name the crime committed. I'll wait.

And for the 1000th time, you're setting up a strawman.....I hope they find dozens of crimes, and that Hunter goes to jail. So nope, sorry, your FoxNation logic doesn't work on me. The problem is, there's nothing on the laptop on its own that's a clear crime. And again....good luck getting that laptop admitted. It's clearly compromised by someone who inked a book deal, FFS.
Let me help you. When you leave your laptop at the computer store by accident? Under no circumstances will it wind up in the hands of Rudy Giuliani.

But I think it's cute that you're using Pete's patented ToddlerLogic to tell the forum that you think this is perfectly normal, and we're all stupid to think that something is weird with this whole story.

[old salt]

He gave the computer to Rudy. So what. It was abandoned property that he'd also given to law enforcement.

There was no privilege. Unlike Hillary, he did not fabricate disinformation.

Tell us, what is weird about the story ? You don't know what's on the laptop & what is being used in the investigation.

[a fan]

He gave the computer to Rudy. So what

I'm done here. We have to listen to you whine and whine and whine about Hillary playing political tricks for six years and counting.....

....and at the same time, you want to pretend like giving laptops to Rudy Giuliani is just no big deal, and happens all the time. Nothing to see here.

Vote Republican!!! That'll fix everything!!!

[CU88]

He gave the computer to Rudy. So what

I'm done here. We have to listen to you whine and whine and whine about Hillary playing political tricks for six years and counting.....

....and at the same time, you want to pretend like giving laptops to Rudy Giuliani is just no big deal, and happens all the time. Nothing to see here.

Vote Republican!!! That'll fix everything!!!

I have to give you credit, between old soviet and peanut butter you have the patience of Job...

[old salt]

He gave the computer to Rudy. So what

I'm done here. We have to listen to you whine and whine and whine about Hillary playing political tricks for six years and counting.....

....and at the same time, you want to pretend like giving laptops to Rudy Giuliani is just no big deal, and happens all the time. Nothing to see here.

Vote Republican!!! That'll fix everything!!!

Who cares who he gave the laptop to if it turns out to be authentic. Credible msm who ignored it initially are finally reporting on it. Do you want to bury your head in the sand forever.

Giving authentic evidence to the FBI & to media is not a dirty trick if the evidence is valid & is obtained lawfully.

Hillary's dirty trick is 6 years old. We are finally, just now, seeing the evidence that proves it.

[old salt]

old soviet

What did you do in the Cold War CU.n.t 88 ?

[a fan]

Who cares who he gave the laptop to if it turns out to be authentic.

Because the WaPo story you told me to read ALREADY told you that it's been compromised. Things have been added. Don't ask me to read something if you don't believe what's in the piece.

Credible msm who ignored it initially are finally reporting on it.

You're lying here, and you know it. The NYPost wouldn't share the hard drive with their peers...which was yet another reason folks were calling bullsh*t. But keep ignoring all these pesky details that you're being fed by FoxNation about this grand liberal conspiracy..

Giving authentic evidence to the FBI & to media is not a dirty trick if the evidence is valid & is obtained lawfully.

It wasn't obtained lawfully, OS. I already told you that. How do I know? I read the WaPo piece that you asked me if I had read. It was given to the FBI in December, when the owner couldn't lawfully take ownership until the following April.

Now what? Are you going to agree it was "invalid" to use your words..or just plow ahead, and move the goalposts as to what's right and wrong?

Hillary's dirty trick is 6 years old. We are finally, just now, seeing the evidence that proves it.

Nope. You're misrepresenting what both you and FoxNation told us.

You told us it all started inside the Government, and that the investigation started for no reason other than to take down Trump. The very title of this thread is a lie.....there is no Deep State. Even if you believe your own accounting (coincidentally, this is the FoxNation accounting) of what happened (I don't).....this was all perfectly legal feeding of stories to journalists.

How many times did you shut me down with "so what, that's not illegal"? If what you allege is true? Hillary has broken precisely zero laws. She's golden.

And what's more hilarious is that you yourself killed your own Deep State. You're claiming that the whole thing started with HIllary, not your Deep State.

It's awesome. You disproved the existence of your own made up fake Government cabal. You cleared Obama. You cleared your Deep State Government conspiracy.

All while putting it on Hillary, who broke no laws.

You deserve this outcome. You tinfoil hat led you in circles for six years...and it led you to a nothing burger political game thats no different than Trump telling Americans that our borders are wide open. Utter, disgusting bullsh*t that gets votes. And Hillary paid the price for her shenanigans, and lost the election.

[old salt]

It wasn't obtained lawfully, OS. I already told you that. How do I know? I read the WaPo piece that you asked me if I had read. It was given to the FBI in December, when the owner couldn't lawfully take ownership until the following April.

Computer guy informed the FBI of what he had. He did not give it to the FBI until they showed up with a subpoena.
Under DE law, & the receipt Hunter signed, it was abandoned property when he gave a copy to the NYP well after it was his property.