DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:38 pm
This aint the 70s when you had a bunch of white people on the air talkin' about BYU with kid gloves on, not wanting to address it with the fervor that it deserves. You're listening to brothas now...and sisters, who looked at one of our little sisters and said who the hell do y'all think y'all are?
Watched it for you. Stephen A., the influencer, viewed by and listened to by millions daily, fervently fueling the flame of racism on a well, it might have happened story. Rational thinkers can justify this.
I did watch the jerk and the guy is a flaming a-hole.
Felt quite misogynistic too, going on about a black female singer, etc.
I agree that some of the media flamers went way too far as well.
That is what pizzes me off about the whole thing. You know full well that a story like this is going to blow up and the racism discussion is going to be front and center with heated commentators, talking heads, and race baiters. Do your diligence and fact check the story, find something that can confirm the story before releasing it. This thread is about media matters and it does, UofSC would be one example of why.
No, TLD, no more than you do that she isn't.
Although I can watch the game and not see
or hear anything that she says happened, nor
can anyone else.
I'm with you on the media talking head flamers going too far, too fast...that said, I'd certainly have reported the story out. Serious story.
But don't go over board other than to condemn racist behavior more generally.
But where you lost me was in getting so wound up that you (and heck of a lot of the online comments) concluded that she is a liar...a whole bunch of that online was right away, at the outset doubting it happened...yet this crap happens with all too much frequency.
I continue to find her individually to be credible, and the incidence of misreporting these sorts of things is very low...so, my "bias" is to believe she heard what she says...who said it, or whether she could have even misheard...all possible to not have right...but not likely lying.
I've been on the opposite end of racist taunts way back when I was a youngster wrestling versus inner city Baltimore schools in the mid '70's, at the time nearly 100% black schools due to de facto segregation. The opposing wrestlers all seemed like great guys, no issues ever...but man, walking through the hallway to the gym...yikes, purposely intimidating. I didn't lose any of my matches, but it was a quite hostile environment multiple times...I wouldn't want any athlete to have to put up with such. On the other hand, I greatly appreciated the experience of the old MSA when city publics and privates competed head to head.
But I gotta tell you, it bothered me considerably more when a good friend of my dad's, an NCAA wrestler at UVA in his day, great guy (!), educator at a high level, revered by many, gave me two pieces of advice: the first was fine: when wrapping up a guy in a pinning combination, drive your head into the side of his (not a hit, just pressure into the soft spot), he'll be thinking about that pain instead of his shoulders. Second wasn't: 'when you shake hands, ask him whether his mom has any extra days'. I used the first piece of advice...never forgot the second. And this guy ran a university, later ran a high school coming out of retirement. Other than that, I never saw any evidence of racist views, but yikes.
A buddy that wrestled at always talked about wrestling against Baltimore Dunbar. He respected this guy that he said kicked his ass every year. He had good memories or wrestling there. I loved the stories…. As an aside, his brother dated his housekeeper’s daughter. She had brothers that grew to like him. Great family and he was a great friend. He changed my life. I told his father and his sister that very thing at his memorial service a couple of years ago.
Dunbar was indeed a tough venue. Good wrestlers and they were very into it, packed crowd.
I can't remember whether there or Walbrook or one of the other schools, but basement hallway from locker room to stairs up to gym was lined on both sides...Dunbar is a likely.
That said, it gave a bit of a flavor of what black athletes endured at times at away contests, though not at Gilman.
Always got along well with fellow athletes when we came together at tournaments, etc.
He was a Gilman guy. I wish I could remember the wrestlers name. It will come to me. He loved telling those stories. Another Gilman buddy talks about his mom taking him to see that great Dunbar team play Calvert Hall in hoops….they were sitting in a McDonalds when someone came in and said “the game is sold out”. He thought it was impossible. I loved hearing those Baltimore stories before ever seeing the city.
good mom!
Dunbar had fabulous basketball teams for a good long stretch.
DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:38 pm
This aint the 70s when you had a bunch of white people on the air talkin' about BYU with kid gloves on, not wanting to address it with the fervor that it deserves. You're listening to brothas now...and sisters, who looked at one of our little sisters and said who the hell do y'all think y'all are?
Watched it for you. Stephen A., the influencer, viewed by and listened to by millions daily, fervently fueling the flame of racism on a well, it might have happened story. Rational thinkers can justify this.
I did watch the jerk and the guy is a flaming a-hole.
Felt quite misogynistic too, going on about a black female singer, etc.
I agree that some of the media flamers went way too far as well.
That is what pizzes me off about the whole thing. You know full well that a story like this is going to blow up and the racism discussion is going to be front and center with heated commentators, talking heads, and race baiters. Do your diligence and fact check the story, find something that can confirm the story before releasing it. This thread is about media matters and it does, UofSC would be one example of why.
No, TLD, no more than you do that she isn't.
Although I can watch the game and not see
or hear anything that she says happened, nor
can anyone else.
I'm with you on the media talking head flamers going too far, too fast...that said, I'd certainly have reported the story out. Serious story.
But don't go over board other than to condemn racist behavior more generally.
But where you lost me was in getting so wound up that you (and heck of a lot of the online comments) concluded that she is a liar...a whole bunch of that online was right away, at the outset doubting it happened...yet this crap happens with all too much frequency.
I continue to find her individually to be credible, and the incidence of misreporting these sorts of things is very low...so, my "bias" is to believe she heard what she says...who said it, or whether she could have even misheard...all possible to not have right...but not likely lying.
I've been on the opposite end of racist taunts way back when I was a youngster wrestling versus inner city Baltimore schools in the mid '70's, at the time nearly 100% black schools due to de facto segregation. The opposing wrestlers all seemed like great guys, no issues ever...but man, walking through the hallway to the gym...yikes, purposely intimidating. I didn't lose any of my matches, but it was a quite hostile environment multiple times...I wouldn't want any athlete to have to put up with such. On the other hand, I greatly appreciated the experience of the old MSA when city publics and privates competed head to head.
But I gotta tell you, it bothered me considerably more when a good friend of my dad's, an NCAA wrestler at UVA in his day, great guy (!), educator at a high level, revered by many, gave me two pieces of advice: the first was fine: when wrapping up a guy in a pinning combination, drive your head into the side of his (not a hit, just pressure into the soft spot), he'll be thinking about that pain instead of his shoulders. Second wasn't: 'when you shake hands, ask him whether his mom has any extra days'. I used the first piece of advice...never forgot the second. And this guy ran a university, later ran a high school coming out of retirement. Other than that, I never saw any evidence of racist views, but yikes.
A buddy that wrestled at always talked about wrestling against Baltimore Dunbar. He respected this guy that he said kicked his ass every year. He had good memories or wrestling there. I loved the stories…. As an aside, his brother dated his housekeeper’s daughter. She had brothers that grew to like him. Great family and he was a great friend. He changed my life. I told his father and his sister that very thing at his memorial service a couple of years ago.
Dunbar was indeed a tough venue. Good wrestlers and they were very into it, packed crowd.
I can't remember whether there or Walbrook or one of the other schools, but basement hallway from locker room to stairs up to gym was lined on both sides...Dunbar is a likely.
That said, it gave a bit of a flavor of what black athletes endured at times at away contests, though not at Gilman.
Always got along well with fellow athletes when we came together at tournaments, etc.
He was a Gilman guy. I wish I could remember the wrestlers name. It will come to me. He loved telling those stories. Another Gilman buddy talks about his mom taking him to see that great Dunbar team play Calvert Hall in hoops….they were sitting in a McDonalds when someone came in and said “the game is sold out”. He thought it was impossible. I loved hearing those Baltimore stories before ever seeing the city.
good mom!
Dunbar had fabulous basketball teams for a good long stretch.
DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:29 pm
Been around a long time, been to a lot of places, am not blind to the ugliness that exists in the world, know that racism is an issue we need to deal with, I know we have we have a long way to go with it. Spent four years in Jersey City, NJ, have known city cops who were as racist as B. Goldwater and gave little to no value to the lives of blacks. I get it, I understand it. Have been clear on what pizzes me off about this, it unnecessarily sets things back and furthers the divide.
When I first saw this girl I thought she came across as credible too. I don't feel that way now though.
Horse has been beat to death, revived, and beat to death again. We all think what we think.
DMac wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:02 am
The 5'9" volleyball player is a setter.
Reasonable probability she's a pawn
in her godmother's game too.
"Horse has been beat to death, revived, and beat to death again. We all think what we think."
It's amazing how spooled up you are about this.
Meh, from one with nearly 20K posts and the other with nearly 26K it appears to me as if you two are spooled longer and more often than I am. Jus' sayin'.
DMac wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:02 am
The 5'9" volleyball player is a setter.
Reasonable probability she's a pawn
in her godmother's game too.
"Horse has been beat to death, revived, and beat to death again. We all think what we think."
It's amazing how spooled up you are about this.
Meh, from one with nearly 20K posts and the other with nearly 26K it appears to me as if you two are spooled longer and more often than I am. Jus' sayin'.
DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:29 pm
Been around a long time, been to a lot of places, am not blind to the ugliness that exists in the world, know that racism is an issue we need to deal with, I know we have we have a long way to go with it. Spent four years in Jersey City, NJ, have known city cops who were as racist as B. Goldwater and gave little to no value to the lives of blacks. I get it, I understand it. Have been clear on what pizzes me off about this, it unnecessarily sets things back and furthers the divide.
When I first saw this girl I thought she came across as credible too. I don't feel that way now though.
Horse has been beat to death, revived, and beat to death again. We all think what we think.
DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:29 pm
Been around a long time, been to a lot of places, am not blind to the ugliness that exists in the world, know that racism is an issue we need to deal with, I know we have we have a long way to go with it. Spent four years in Jersey City, NJ, have known city cops who were as racist as B. Goldwater and gave little to no value to the lives of blacks. I get it, I understand it. Have been clear on what pizzes me off about this, it unnecessarily sets things back and furthers the divide.
When I first saw this girl I thought she came across as credible too. I don't feel that way now though.
Horse has been beat to death, revived, and beat to death again. We all think what we think.
Rappers are crying like a boss or a verse, they soft
That's when they get robbed and disappointed
They not anointed, get 'em set up like an appointment
I spit the same heat you light the joint with, fire
Spit the truth no liar, Heaven-sent this is higher
The might cooks, I write books, the heavyweight champion
This song becomes a knockout with the right hook
Re: media matters
Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:54 am
by ardilla secreta
Oh boy. Chris Cuomo makes his comeback on NewsNation, the conservative network with 46,000 average viewers that wants you to believe it isn’t.
The Guardian article sets it right with this description. “Chris Cuomo sounds more like a coach of a failing minor league team than a news anchor as he steps into a new job at fledging cable network NewsNation, striding across his new, smaller studio and shouting “Are you ready to change the game? Good let’s get after it.”
In our nutso culture, it was announced today that Alec Baldwin and his production company settled a wrongful death civil action with the family of the cinematographer who was shot and killed by Baldwin while shooting a western movie. The settlement includes making the victim's husband an executive producer on the film which will begin production anew soon with the director (who was wounded) continuing on plus the cast,, including Baldwin. Hopefully, a new armorer who knows how to handle firearms would be appropriate.
State of New Mexico still has not concluded a criminal investigation of the incident.
Re: media matters
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:57 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Kismet wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:01 pm
In our nutso culture, it was announced today that Alec Baldwin and his production company settled a wrongful death civil action with the family of the cinematographer who was shot and killed by Baldwin while shooting a western movie. The settlement includes making the victim's husband an executive producer on the film which will begin production anew soon with the director (who was wounded) continuing on plus the cast,, including Baldwin. Hopefully, a new armorer who knows how to handle firearms would be appropriate.
State of New Mexico still has not concluded a criminal investigation of the incident.
You and I are old enough to remember Gary Hart being outed in the middle of the primary race, chasing and playing around with a "woman not his wife." This seems really different, a level of intrusion into a family problem that has no meaningful relationship to governing, to biases in respect to governing, or the like. Classless and despicable aren't strong enough.
You and I are old enough to remember Gary Hart being outed in the middle of the primary race, chasing and playing around with a "woman not his wife." This seems really different, a level of intrusion into a family problem that has no meaningful relationship to governing, to biases in respect to governing, or the like. Classless and despicable aren't strong enough.
If you're even older enough you remember the envy of many of the Gov, Jerry Brown.
All legit, no infidelities.
Damn!!
You and I are old enough to remember Gary Hart being outed in the middle of the primary race, chasing and playing around with a "woman not his wife." This seems really different, a level of intrusion into a family problem that has no meaningful relationship to governing, to biases in respect to governing, or the like. Classless and despicable aren't strong enough.
If you're even older enough you remember the envy of many of the Gov, Jerry Brown.
All legit, no infidelities.
Damn!!
