a fan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:54 pm
ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:41 pm
i think that's question that no one is answering, or can even really answer. we had this exact discussion a few years ago on LP.
if i'm told going to a public HS is socialism, even though i pay taxes for that district, then it follows that if i live in a blue state that some claim "fund" red states, well then, not only do i not get the benefit of the red state school, but i paid for it, and also the school i use in my district. and even those attending the red state school, will have paid taxes.
You're confusing the funding mechanism with what defines socialism.
Socialism means that the means of production/service are owned and operated by the State. That's it. How you get collect the money to operate the State owned organization is immaterial to the definition of socialism.
That said, if we're focusing on how the State-owned service is funded?
For the University of Florida? You could move tuition so high so that you don't need a cent of taxpayer money for all operations. None of them do that, of course. Further, you'd have to pay off the land and all construction bonds paid for by the State.
Same for roads. You can make it so that fees pay for every cent of the road. Fee for use. The problem with this is that the price would be through the roof.
As for K-12, people forget about the Federal funding, as well as the fact that businesses pay in. That's what used to keep everyone's taxes low. But as CradleandShoot and I have discussed over the years----politicians have given away their tax base to woo corporate employers. The result is that in most States (NY in particular), corporate tax contributions are half of what they was in the 1970's, while at the same time, individual tax collections have doubled. This is in terms of percentage contribution to a State's budget.
Voters don't understand that. They think when Amazon gets sweet tax breaks, that the taxes are "made up somewhere else". Nope. They're not. Voters forget that the State and Municipalities COUNT on getting that Amazon money, and "someone else" has to make up that shortfall. Voters also forget that Amazon consumes public services....police, fire, etc....that they aren't paying for....
You keep using that word socialism. I don't think you know what it means
socialism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms:
leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism · [more]
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
synonyms:
leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · [more]
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
culture
[ˈkəlCHər]
NOUN
the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.
"20th century popular culture"
synonyms:
the arts · the humanities · intellectual achievement(s) · intellectual activity · literature · music · painting · philosophy
the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.
"Caribbean culture" · [more]
synonyms:
civilization · society · way of life · lifestyle · customs · traditions · heritage · habits · ways · mores · values
government
[ˈɡəvər(n)mənt]
NOUN
the governing body of a nation, state, or community.
"an agency of the federal government" · [more]
synonyms:
administration · executive · regime · authority · powers that be · [more]
the system by which a nation, state, or community is governed.
"a secular, pluralistic, democratic government"
the action or manner of controlling or regulating a nation, organization, or people.
"rules for the government of the infirmary"