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Dehuntshigwa’es wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:08 am Question is where does W&L go from here. For now I’ve just totally enjoyed the season. Hoping to watch a great match with RIT beating Tufts tomorrow. There will be time enough for future assessments. Bottom line the future looks bright in Lex !

MarionBarry wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:41 pm This goes out to w&Llacrosse75,
I've finally crawled out of my hole from seeing last saturdays results...I must say I've eaten my fair share of crow this week. Its like a fire on my tongue, burning my mouth to say, but well done generals. Congrats on a season that was historic within a program that's had a handful of historic seasons. You beat the best team in the country at their place in the playoffs, down 7, that shows grit. I will be back to throw more hate but for now, job well done.

SouthieLax wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:40 pm Let’s not give him too much credit he came back to self-anoint the Gulls again. Correction, the two best teams play tomorrow. Just like CNU sometimes returning all that talent/grads doesn’t translate. Salisbury played no one this year. They were exposed by a better team. Back to the drawing board JB.

liongoes wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:06 am I wouldn't say the better overall team always wins, but the better team that day does. Salisbury was a better team overall than W&L, but the gap between them was much smaller than everyone assumed. With the benefit of hindsight, I would argue that the same is true for 2024 Salisbury when compared to D3 in general. Obviously the gap was small enough where an off day for Salisbury and great day for a team like W&L would push the underdog over the top, which is exactly what happened.

With that background, saying that Salisbury was the best team in the country this season at this point doesn't make sense to me. To some degree I think both fans AND non-fans of the program anoint the Gulls every year because they are the Gulls. I did that myself this season. I didn't know how average their schedule was until I saw it mentioned here, and I assumed it was the same old Salisbury, a shoo in on the way to ring 14. Looking back at their season though, their schedule was below average for a top team. Many of their opponents who are usually strong were down, they scuffled around against a number of teams they should have beaten easily, and they did not face many tournament quality squads. They were obviously one of the best teams in D3, still in that elite group at the top, but a somewhat soft schedule may have hidden issues that could have come to the surface (and hopefully been addressed) against a more challenging slate.

SouthieLax wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:40 pm

MarionBarry wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:41 pm This goes out to w&Llacrosse75,
I've finally crawled out of my hole from seeing last saturdays results...I must say I've eaten my fair share of crow this week. Its like a fire on my tongue, burning my mouth to say, but well done generals. Congrats on a season that was historic within a program that's had a handful of historic seasons. You beat the best team in the country at their place in the playoffs, down 7, that shows grit. I will be back to throw more hate but for now, job well done.

Let’s not give him too much credit he came back to self-anoint the Gulls again. Correction, the two best teams play tomorrow. Just like CNU sometimes returning all that talent/grads doesn’t translate. Salisbury played no one this year. They were exposed by a better team. Back to the drawing board JB.

W&Lacrosse75 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:58 am Penalties that were caused in large part by stepped up pressure from their opponent, and then wearing themselves out trying to overcome them. W&L was also worn out at games’ end from clawing back from an 8-1 deficit.

And, much like every team that finds itself up by a large margin, human nature and lack of focus may have taken over. (maybe a little disbelief that W&L had such a comeback in them as well)

And it is no sin to have this scenario take place after a 57 game winning streak. But I would imagine that doesn’t make it any less painful for a great team like Salisbury.

Motorman wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:04 am

liongoes wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:06 am I wouldn't say the better overall team always wins, but the better team that day does. Salisbury was a better team overall than W&L, but the gap between them was much smaller than everyone assumed. With the benefit of hindsight, I would argue that the same is true for 2024 Salisbury when compared to D3 in general. Obviously the gap was small enough where an off day for Salisbury and great day for a team like W&L would push the underdog over the top, which is exactly what happened.

With that background, saying that Salisbury was the best team in the country this season at this point doesn't make sense to me. To some degree I think both fans AND non-fans of the program anoint the Gulls every year because they are the Gulls. I did that myself this season. I didn't know how average their schedule was until I saw it mentioned here, and I assumed it was the same old Salisbury, a shoo in on the way to ring 14. Looking back at their season though, their schedule was below average for a top team. Many of their opponents who are usually strong were down, they scuffled around against a number of teams they should have beaten easily, and they did not face many tournament quality squads. They were obviously one of the best teams in D3, still in that elite group at the top, but a somewhat soft schedule may have hidden issues that could have come to the surface (and hopefully been addressed) against a more challenging slate.

Game was decided by one thing, penalties. If Gulls don’t take 9 in the game, the result isn’t close. Salisbury leading by 7 until the penalty bug kicked in, without them the Generals had no chance. Part of the game and Gulls need to own it, they gave the game away.

5Star wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:20 pm Turns out Salisbury has only had two games in their last 40 where the opponent has come within 3 goals. Their most recent, and a 2023 12-9 win over… you guessed it W&L. For whatever reason W&L seems to match up well with the gulls right now. Question is will they build off some of this success and create even more success?

Nothinbutthelax wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 9:48 pm

5Star wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:20 pm Turns out Salisbury has only had two games in their last 40 where the opponent has come within 3 goals. Their most recent, and a 2023 12-9 win over… you guessed it W&L. For whatever reason W&L seems to match up well with the gulls right now. Question is will they build off some of this success and create even more success?

U may want to check LYN score last year (2021 too).
W&L’s win this year was fantastic! ODAC will be putting in work off season..

Dehuntshigwa’es wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 11:15 am

Motorman wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:04 am

liongoes wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:06 am I wouldn't say the better overall team always wins, but the better team that day does. Salisbury was a better team overall than W&L, but the gap between them was much smaller than everyone assumed. With the benefit of hindsight, I would argue that the same is true for 2024 Salisbury when compared to D3 in general. Obviously the gap was small enough where an off day for Salisbury and great day for a team like W&L would push the underdog over the top, which is exactly what happened.

With that background, saying that Salisbury was the best team in the country this season at this point doesn't make sense to me. To some degree I think both fans AND non-fans of the program anoint the Gulls every year because they are the Gulls. I did that myself this season. I didn't know how average their schedule was until I saw it mentioned here, and I assumed it was the same old Salisbury, a shoo in on the way to ring 14. Looking back at their season though, their schedule was below average for a top team. Many of their opponents who are usually strong were down, they scuffled around against a number of teams they should have beaten easily, and they did not face many tournament quality squads. They were obviously one of the best teams in D3, still in that elite group at the top, but a somewhat soft schedule may have hidden issues that could have come to the surface (and hopefully been addressed) against a more challenging slate.

Game was decided by one thing, penalties. If Gulls don’t take 9 in the game, the result isn’t close. Salisbury leading by 7 until the penalty bug kicked in, without them the Generals had no chance. Part of the game and Gulls need to own it, they gave the game away.

OR you could say; the Generals won more ground balls, took 58% of the face offs , made more saves, had more shots and were better shooters that day. Generals had 6 more opportunities on man up than Salisbury but it was more than just that leading to the win.

Dehuntshigwa’es wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 11:15 am

Motorman wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:04 am

liongoes wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:06 am I wouldn't say the better overall team always wins, but the better team that day does. Salisbury was a better team overall than W&L, but the gap between them was much smaller than everyone assumed. With the benefit of hindsight, I would argue that the same is true for 2024 Salisbury when compared to D3 in general. Obviously the gap was small enough where an off day for Salisbury and great day for a team like W&L would push the underdog over the top, which is exactly what happened.

With that background, saying that Salisbury was the best team in the country this season at this point doesn't make sense to me. To some degree I think both fans AND non-fans of the program anoint the Gulls every year because they are the Gulls. I did that myself this season. I didn't know how average their schedule was until I saw it mentioned here, and I assumed it was the same old Salisbury, a shoo in on the way to ring 14. Looking back at their season though, their schedule was below average for a top team. Many of their opponents who are usually strong were down, they scuffled around against a number of teams they should have beaten easily, and they did not face many tournament quality squads. They were obviously one of the best teams in D3, still in that elite group at the top, but a somewhat soft schedule may have hidden issues that could have come to the surface (and hopefully been addressed) against a more challenging slate.

Game was decided by one thing, penalties. If Gulls don’t take 9 in the game, the result isn’t close. Salisbury leading by 7 until the penalty bug kicked in, without them the Generals had no chance. Part of the game and Gulls need to own it, they gave the game away.

OR you could say; the Generals won more ground balls, took 58% of the face offs , made more saves, had more shots and were better shooters that day. Generals had 6 more opportunities on man up than Salisbury but it was more than just that leading to the win.

Dehuntshigwa’es wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 11:15 am

Motorman wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:04 am

liongoes wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:06 am I wouldn't say the better overall team always wins, but the better team that day does. Salisbury was a better team overall than W&L, but the gap between them was much smaller than everyone assumed. With the benefit of hindsight, I would argue that the same is true for 2024 Salisbury when compared to D3 in general. Obviously the gap was small enough where an off day for Salisbury and great day for a team like W&L would push the underdog over the top, which is exactly what happened.

With that background, saying that Salisbury was the best team in the country this season at this point doesn't make sense to me. To some degree I think both fans AND non-fans of the program anoint the Gulls every year because they are the Gulls. I did that myself this season. I didn't know how average their schedule was until I saw it mentioned here, and I assumed it was the same old Salisbury, a shoo in on the way to ring 14. Looking back at their season though, their schedule was below average for a top team. Many of their opponents who are usually strong were down, they scuffled around against a number of teams they should have beaten easily, and they did not face many tournament quality squads. They were obviously one of the best teams in D3, still in that elite group at the top, but a somewhat soft schedule may have hidden issues that could have come to the surface (and hopefully been addressed) against a more challenging slate.

Game was decided by one thing, penalties. If Gulls don’t take 9 in the game, the result isn’t close. Salisbury leading by 7 until the penalty bug kicked in, without them the Generals had no chance. Part of the game and Gulls need to own it, they gave the game away.

OR you could say; the Generals won more ground balls, took 58% of the face offs , made more saves, had more shots and were better shooters that day. Generals had 6 more opportunities on man up than Salisbury but it was more than just that leading to the win.

valaxfan wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 9:32 am

Dehuntshigwa’es wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 11:15 am

Motorman wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:04 am

liongoes wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:06 am I wouldn't say the better overall team always wins, but the better team that day does. Salisbury was a better team overall than W&L, but the gap between them was much smaller than everyone assumed. With the benefit of hindsight, I would argue that the same is true for 2024 Salisbury when compared to D3 in general. Obviously the gap was small enough where an off day for Salisbury and great day for a team like W&L would push the underdog over the top, which is exactly what happened.

With that background, saying that Salisbury was the best team in the country this season at this point doesn't make sense to me. To some degree I think both fans AND non-fans of the program anoint the Gulls every year because they are the Gulls. I did that myself this season. I didn't know how average their schedule was until I saw it mentioned here, and I assumed it was the same old Salisbury, a shoo in on the way to ring 14. Looking back at their season though, their schedule was below average for a top team. Many of their opponents who are usually strong were down, they scuffled around against a number of teams they should have beaten easily, and they did not face many tournament quality squads. They were obviously one of the best teams in D3, still in that elite group at the top, but a somewhat soft schedule may have hidden issues that could have come to the surface (and hopefully been addressed) against a more challenging slate.

Game was decided by one thing, penalties. If Gulls don’t take 9 in the game, the result isn’t close. Salisbury leading by 7 until the penalty bug kicked in, without them the Generals had no chance. Part of the game and Gulls need to own it, they gave the game away.

OR you could say; the Generals won more ground balls, took 58% of the face offs , made more saves, had more shots and were better shooters that day. Generals had 6 more opportunities on man up than Salisbury but it was more than just that leading to the win.

Motorman, you are missing the fact that if Salisbury was so good, this should have never happened. As Dehunt points out, the metrics speak for themselves for the entirety of the game. Especially from the 2nd quarter on. W&L was the better team, and really should have won that game in regulation, if not for the bogus call at the end. Sometimes, the team with the better players, get outplayed by another "team" who just plays an overall better game, and this is exactly what happened here. Gennies just wanted this game more than the Gulls!!

valaxfan

Motorman wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 10:49 am

valaxfan wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 9:32 am

Dehuntshigwa’es wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 11:15 am

Motorman wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:04 am

liongoes wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:06 am I wouldn't say the better overall team always wins, but the better team that day does. Salisbury was a better team overall than W&L, but the gap between them was much smaller than everyone assumed. With the benefit of hindsight, I would argue that the same is true for 2024 Salisbury when compared to D3 in general. Obviously the gap was small enough where an off day for Salisbury and great day for a team like W&L would push the underdog over the top, which is exactly what happened.

With that background, saying that Salisbury was the best team in the country this season at this point doesn't make sense to me. To some degree I think both fans AND non-fans of the program anoint the Gulls every year because they are the Gulls. I did that myself this season. I didn't know how average their schedule was until I saw it mentioned here, and I assumed it was the same old Salisbury, a shoo in on the way to ring 14. Looking back at their season though, their schedule was below average for a top team. Many of their opponents who are usually strong were down, they scuffled around against a number of teams they should have beaten easily, and they did not face many tournament quality squads. They were obviously one of the best teams in D3, still in that elite group at the top, but a somewhat soft schedule may have hidden issues that could have come to the surface (and hopefully been addressed) against a more challenging slate.

Game was decided by one thing, penalties. If Gulls don’t take 9 in the game, the result isn’t close. Salisbury leading by 7 until the penalty bug kicked in, without them the Generals had no chance. Part of the game and Gulls need to own it, they gave the game away.

OR you could say; the Generals won more ground balls, took 58% of the face offs , made more saves, had more shots and were better shooters that day. Generals had 6 more opportunities on man up than Salisbury but it was more than just that leading to the win.

Motorman, you are missing the fact that if Salisbury was so good, this should have never happened. As Dehunt points out, the metrics speak for themselves for the entirety of the game. Especially from the 2nd quarter on. W&L was the better team, and really should have won that game in regulation, if not for the bogus call at the end. Sometimes, the team with the better players, get outplayed by another "team" who just plays an overall better game, and this is exactly what happened here. Gennies just wanted this game more than the Gulls!!

valaxfan

Valaxfan, I agree that Gulls were outplayed at many points of the game. The game changed when the penalties started kicking in, if you look at score prior to first penalty it was a blowout. When a team gives up 5 man down goals it’s hard to expect a win. Playing man down is exhausting and effects everything from ground balls wins to turnovers. No one is saying penalties weren’t legit. Without 9 penalties the outcome might have been different.