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DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:50 am

Wheels wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:40 am

jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:16 am this is a one bid conference right now.

Nah. Rutgers and Maryland.

The ACC got a ton of hype out of beating a bunch of SoCon teams. Turns out High Point is a pretty bad team. Because the ACC gets all of the pre- and early season hype, when they start taking Ls against each other, everyone is going to say "Look how brutal the ACC is!" I'd love to see UVA and ND play Rutgers. I think they'd lose to Rutgers, who, IMO, is on par with Cuse.

I agree. This is the best Rutgers team that i can remember. It would be a shame if they fell on the wrong side of the bubble again. I hope they finish strong and make the tournament. I feel confident this is their year to get in.

It would be fun to see the ACC teams get knocked out in the early rounds of the NCAA. They get the best PR. But, as far I remember the B1G has been the better conference for the past 5 years. ACCN being part of ESPN is part of it. And there are media people that work for IL, ACCN, and ESPN, like Quint. And 80% of the people at ESPN went to SU.

blue angels wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:02 pm

DU-fan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:50 am

Wheels wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:40 am

jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:16 am this is a one bid conference right now.

Nah. Rutgers and Maryland.

The ACC got a ton of hype out of beating a bunch of SoCon teams. Turns out High Point is a pretty bad team. Because the ACC gets all of the pre- and early season hype, when they start taking Ls against each other, everyone is going to say "Look how brutal the ACC is!" I'd love to see UVA and ND play Rutgers. I think they'd lose to Rutgers, who, IMO, is on par with Cuse.

I agree. This is the best Rutgers team that i can remember. It would be a shame if they fell on the wrong side of the bubble again. I hope they finish strong and make the tournament. I feel confident this is their year to get in.

It would be fun to see the ACC teams get knocked out in the early rounds of the NCAA. They get the best PR. But, as far I remember the B1G has been the better conference for the past 5 years. ACCN being part of ESPN is part of it. And there are media people that work for IL, ACCN, and ESPN, like Quint. And 80% of the people at ESPN went to SU.

I keep hearing that this is the best Rutgers team, but I think they still have work to do to make the NCAA. To date, I don't believe they have any wins over any teams with a Winning record and we all know the Big Ten is very weak this year. If they drop a game in conference, I think there is a reasonable chance, they will get left out. They may well be a terrific team, but no one outside of Big Ten fans is assured of that based on their competition. I also think Maryland is one of the top teams but well behind Duke and UNC. They don't have any big wins either, other than over Rutgers that might not even make the tourney.

blue angels wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:02 pm
I keep hearing that this is the best Rutgers team, but I think they still have work to do to make the NCAA. To date, I don't believe they have any wins over any teams with a Winning record and we all know the Big Ten is very weak this year. If they drop a game in conference, I think there is a reasonable chance, they will get left out. They may well be a terrific team, but no one outside of Big Ten fans is assured of that based on their competition. I also think Maryland is one of the top teams but well behind Duke and UNC. They don't have any big wins either, other than over Rutgers that might not even make the tourney.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:29 pm This reminds me of the guy screaming for two straight years about Rutgers not getting an at large on LP refusing to even try to understand how the process is setup or evaluated.

pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:00 pm I like the reference to the rank of teams when they played them. You see this all the time in football and basketball. Pre-season ranking are just complete guesses. A team beats another at the beginning of the season that had a high pre-season ranking. The team turns out to stink that year and fall out of the rankings yet fans of the team that beat them early still claim they beat "the #2!" or, here, #6! team in the country. To assess the quality of wins, look at the end of season ranking and how you did vs teams in that. I don't think anyone really has any objective idea how good Rutgers is. They are clearly a step ahead of OSU, PSU, JHU and Michigan. They are clearly behind MD and will likely be 0-3 vs them come selection time. It is very possible none of the former will be ranked at the end of the year or will have a winning record. It is not the teams' fault of course they don't get to play anyone outside the conference but it makes it so any claim of quality is at best wish casting.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:48 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:29 pm This reminds me of the guy screaming for two straight years about Rutgers not getting an at large on LP refusing to even try to understand how the process is setup or evaluated.

i particularly like the socon slights. good stuff on the b1g teams instead of taking their medicine for one year when their powers that be wouldn't let them play anyone else. like it's everyone else's fault.

not really sure who else the acc was supposed to play? gtown i guess. uva at least and lehigh tried pretty hard to get a game in between, didn't work out and then army stepped up. who else? acc is closing in on 30 something and 1 ooc.

RURICK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:24 pm Rutgers has beaten OSU when they were ranked 6th and 14th. Rutgers beat PSU when they were 6th in the country. The fact that both these teams and the rest of the BIG have beaten up on each other takes nothing away from the caliber of these teams. Rutgers would have beaten all the ACC teams not Duke or UNC. I am sure they could have plowed thru the SOCON and padded their resume. The fact is that the ACC is always treated with kid gloves and all their teams are ranked at the top to start each season. They are the blue bloods. Maryland and hopkins used to be here until they joined the Big Ten. I still would like to know why the ACC is still the only power conference with only 5 teams. The standard is 6. No excuse for this. In my opinion, Maryland is the most complete team in the country and deserving of the number 1 ranking.

jrn19 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:02 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:48 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:29 pm This reminds me of the guy screaming for two straight years about Rutgers not getting an at large on LP refusing to even try to understand how the process is setup or evaluated.

i particularly like the socon slights. good stuff on the b1g teams instead of taking their medicine for one year when their powers that be wouldn't let them play anyone else. like it's everyone else's fault.

not really sure who else the acc was supposed to play? gtown i guess. uva at least and lehigh tried pretty hard to get a game in between, didn't work out and then army stepped up. who else? acc is closing in on 30 something and 1 ooc.

It's not that they were supposed to play someone else; it's that if Rutgers and Maryland blowing out Ohio State and Hopkins and Penn State and Michigan tells us nothing about how good those teams are; so does Duke and UNC blowing out Richmond and High Point and Jacksonville and Mercer.

The ACC played who they could and the Big Ten played who they could. No one's fault.

jrn19 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:00 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:00 pm I like the reference to the rank of teams when they played them. You see this all the time in football and basketball. Pre-season ranking are just complete guesses. A team beats another at the beginning of the season that had a high pre-season ranking. The team turns out to stink that year and fall out of the rankings yet fans of the team that beat them early still claim they beat "the #2!" or, here, #6! team in the country. To assess the quality of wins, look at the end of season ranking and how you did vs teams in that. I don't think anyone really has any objective idea how good Rutgers is. They are clearly a step ahead of OSU, PSU, JHU and Michigan. They are clearly behind MD and will likely be 0-3 vs them come selection time. It is very possible none of the former will be ranked at the end of the year or will have a winning record. It is not the teams' fault of course they don't get to play anyone outside the conference but it makes it so any claim of quality is at best wish casting.

I mean, we aren't at the end of the season yet so can't exactly assess where they'd be ranked then. For now, they're ranked in a similar spot to where they were when Rutgers beat them on Saturday

pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:00 pm I like the reference to the rank of teams when they played them. You see this all the time in football and basketball. Pre-season ranking are just complete guesses. A team beats another at the beginning of the season that had a high pre-season ranking. The team turns out to stink that year and fall out of the rankings yet fans of the team that beat them early still claim they beat "the #2!" or, here, #6! team in the country. To assess the quality of wins, look at the end of season ranking and how you did vs teams in that. I don't think anyone really has any objective idea how good Rutgers is. They are clearly a step ahead of OSU, PSU, JHU and Michigan. They are clearly behind MD and will likely be 0-3 vs them come selection time. It is very possible none of the former will be ranked at the end of the year or will have a winning record. It is not the teams' fault of course they don't get to play anyone outside the conference but it makes it so any claim of quality is at best wish casting.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:35 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:02 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:48 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:29 pm This reminds me of the guy screaming for two straight years about Rutgers not getting an at large on LP refusing to even try to understand how the process is setup or evaluated.

i particularly like the socon slights. good stuff on the b1g teams instead of taking their medicine for one year when their powers that be wouldn't let them play anyone else. like it's everyone else's fault.

not really sure who else the acc was supposed to play? gtown i guess. uva at least and lehigh tried pretty hard to get a game in between, didn't work out and then army stepped up. who else? acc is closing in on 30 something and 1 ooc.

It's not that they were supposed to play someone else; it's that if Rutgers and Maryland blowing out Ohio State and Hopkins and Penn State and Michigan tells us nothing about how good those teams are; so does Duke and UNC blowing out Richmond and High Point and Jacksonville and Mercer.

The ACC played who they could and the Big Ten played who they could. No one's fault.

Yes but BigTen fans are trashing everyone else in division 1 lacrosse in order to make themselves feel better and using crazy specious arguments left and right. Then turning around and crying victim because what, theres lore broadcasters who went to Syracuse perpetuating a bias? How long was MD in the ACC vs being in the BigTen?

RURICK wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:28 pm I agree with Wheels and jrn19. Every year, the ACC, even before they play a league game, are all in the top ten. So, they first play a bunch of cupcakes and sweep thru them. Oh, except a few years ago, Duke, i believe, lost to High Point, at Duke. I think duke dropped 1 or 2 spots in the polls. Had Rutgers lost to high Point at any time in previous years, they would have dropped out of the polls. The blue bloods always get favorable treatment, even in football.

Wheels wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:00 pm

pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:00 pm I like the reference to the rank of teams when they played them. You see this all the time in football and basketball. Pre-season ranking are just complete guesses. A team beats another at the beginning of the season that had a high pre-season ranking. The team turns out to stink that year and fall out of the rankings yet fans of the team that beat them early still claim they beat "the #2!" or, here, #6! team in the country. To assess the quality of wins, look at the end of season ranking and how you did vs teams in that. I don't think anyone really has any objective idea how good Rutgers is. They are clearly a step ahead of OSU, PSU, JHU and Michigan. They are clearly behind MD and will likely be 0-3 vs them come selection time. It is very possible none of the former will be ranked at the end of the year or will have a winning record. It is not the teams' fault of course they don't get to play anyone outside the conference but it makes it so any claim of quality is at best wish casting.

But isn't this happening right now with the ACC? Oh...look how great Syracuse is after beating UVA...oops...Syracuse just got plastered by Notre Dame...isn't Notre Dame great?!!

What if only Duke and UNC are really good, and the other 3 are just living off of the preseason hype?

jrn19 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:02 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:35 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:02 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:48 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:29 pm This reminds me of the guy screaming for two straight years about Rutgers not getting an at large on LP refusing to even try to understand how the process is setup or evaluated.

i particularly like the socon slights. good stuff on the b1g teams instead of taking their medicine for one year when their powers that be wouldn't let them play anyone else. like it's everyone else's fault.

not really sure who else the acc was supposed to play? gtown i guess. uva at least and lehigh tried pretty hard to get a game in between, didn't work out and then army stepped up. who else? acc is closing in on 30 something and 1 ooc.

It's not that they were supposed to play someone else; it's that if Rutgers and Maryland blowing out Ohio State and Hopkins and Penn State and Michigan tells us nothing about how good those teams are; so does Duke and UNC blowing out Richmond and High Point and Jacksonville and Mercer.

The ACC played who they could and the Big Ten played who they could. No one's fault.

Yes but BigTen fans are trashing everyone else in division 1 lacrosse in order to make themselves feel better and using crazy specious arguments left and right. Then turning around and crying victim because what, theres lore broadcasters who went to Syracuse perpetuating a bias? How long was MD in the ACC vs being in the BigTen?

One, there's like 23 pages in this thread. It's not like "Big Ten fans" are freaking coming on here every day posting about how amazing the league is. I see way more of ACC fans talking about how Maryland or Rutgers wouldn't hold up in their league or how we don't know how good Maryland is routinely as if there isn't enough praise of the ACC every single week.

Secondly, these SoCon teams are not good. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings or if it's mean to say D1 teams aren't good but Mercer and High Point and Jacksonville....these teams are bad. Everyone on here or on lax twitter or whatever loves to be nice to the mid-majors and beat around the bush but a lot of these teams are just bad. if Hopkins played in the SoCon instead they'd win the league. It's an awful league.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:01 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:02 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:35 pm

jrn19 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:02 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:48 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:29 pm This reminds me of the guy screaming for two straight years about Rutgers not getting an at large on LP refusing to even try to understand how the process is setup or evaluated.

i particularly like the socon slights. good stuff on the b1g teams instead of taking their medicine for one year when their powers that be wouldn't let them play anyone else. like it's everyone else's fault.

not really sure who else the acc was supposed to play? gtown i guess. uva at least and lehigh tried pretty hard to get a game in between, didn't work out and then army stepped up. who else? acc is closing in on 30 something and 1 ooc.

It's not that they were supposed to play someone else; it's that if Rutgers and Maryland blowing out Ohio State and Hopkins and Penn State and Michigan tells us nothing about how good those teams are; so does Duke and UNC blowing out Richmond and High Point and Jacksonville and Mercer.

The ACC played who they could and the Big Ten played who they could. No one's fault.

Yes but BigTen fans are trashing everyone else in division 1 lacrosse in order to make themselves feel better and using crazy specious arguments left and right. Then turning around and crying victim because what, theres lore broadcasters who went to Syracuse perpetuating a bias? How long was MD in the ACC vs being in the BigTen?

One, there's like 23 pages in this thread. It's not like "Big Ten fans" are freaking coming on here every day posting about how amazing the league is. I see way more of ACC fans talking about how Maryland or Rutgers wouldn't hold up in their league or how we don't know how good Maryland is routinely as if there isn't enough praise of the ACC every single week.

Secondly, these SoCon teams are not good. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings or if it's mean to say D1 teams aren't good but Mercer and High Point and Jacksonville....these teams are bad. Everyone on here or on lax twitter or whatever loves to be nice to the mid-majors and beat around the bush but a lot of these teams are just bad. if Hopkins played in the SoCon instead they'd win the league. It's an awful league.

Hopkins would probably be third in the SoCon this year. Army, Loyola, etc there’s a reason why it’s all garbage here and just silly. Don’t take it out on the rest of lacrosse because the folks at the top of the conference made the conference only decision and half or more of the teams look atrocious.