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From TX twitter back in April

.@HarvardMLax sophomore attackman Austin Madronic has entered the portal as a grad student for the 2023 season, per a source. A British Columbia native and @Culver_Lacrosse alum, Madronic has 31g/18a through 16 career games, leading the Crimson in points in 2020.

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Dylan Pallonetti going to Stony Brook https://twitter.com/tyxanders/status/12 ... 75941?s=21

Updating HopFan16's list

Albany - Davis Diamond (attack/midfield), Isaiah Skidders (attack), Teioshontathe McComber (attack)
Bellarmine - Morgan Macko (attack)
Boston University - Max Tetreault (FOGO)
Bryant - David DeMartino (defense)
Brown - Ryan Finlay (defense)
Bucknell - Will Yorke (attack), Connor Shears (defense), Hunter Newman (LSM), Grayson Burns (attack), Matt Fedorjaka (midfield)
Canisius - Cade Talbert (goalie)
Colgate - Griffin Brown (attack/midfield) —> Maryland, Nicky Petkevich (attack), Parker Baddley (LSM), John Donahue (defense), Cooper Belanger (midfield), Jesse Rosenblatt (attack)
Furman - Luke Majick (midfield), Alec van de Bovenkamp (goalie)x->OSU, Luke Muter (defense)
Hartford - Cullin Walsh (goalie)
Harvard - Myles Hamm (attack), Beau Botkiss (defense), Austin Madronic (attack), Nigel Andrews (midfield)
Hobart - Sam Lucchesi (goalie), PJ Delpha (defense), Eric Holden (attack)—>Maryland, Justin Scott (A/M)
Hampton - Ian Groom(FO)
Hofstra - Whit Stopak (attack), Ryan Kinnard (midfield), Eric Wenz (defense)—>OSU, Nick Williams (attack)
Holy Cross - Justin Lynskey (attack), Sean Mullaney (midfield), Dan O'Connell(FO)
Hopkins - Jack Rapine (defense), Alex Gainey (goalie), Cole Williams (attack), Alex Concannon (midfield)
Lafayette - Beaudan Szuluk (defense)
Maryland - Dylan Pallonetti (attack/midfield)—>Stony Brook, Jack DeSantis (defense)—>OSU
Merrimack - Davis Cronin (FOGO), Charlie Bertrand (attack)
Michigan - Matt Trowbridge (goalie), Finn Goonan (LSM)
Mount St. Mary's - Evan Falkowski (midfield)
Notre Dame - Charles Leonard (FOGO), Michael Farnish (Defense)
Ohio State - Josh Kirson (goalie), Christian Tomei (goalie) —>Jacksonville
Penn - Kyle Gallagher (FOGO)---> Notre Dame, Kyle Thornton (defense)--->Notre Dame
Penn State - Collin Almeida (Midfield), Brad Santore (Midfield)
Princeton - Michael Sowers (attack)—>Duke, Connor McCarthy (midfield), Phil Robertson (attack)
Providence - Sean Lahey (attack)
Richmond - Mick Burden (FO)
Robert Morris - Austin Popovich (midfield)
Rutger - Demetrius Stevenson (Midfield) —> Delaware; Zach Groff (goalie)
St. Bonaventure - John Kilcommons(attack)
St. John’s - Kyle McBride(LSM)
St. Joseph's - Mike Adler (goalie)
Syracuse - Jared Fernandez (LSM), Jacob Nelson (attack), Sean Donnelly(attack), Luke Strang (goalie), Andrew Kim (midfield), Justin Kim (midfield)
UMass - Matt Baugher (attack), Jack Geiger (Midfield)
UMass Lowell - Matt Murakami (goalie)
UMBC - Steven Cornwell (LSM)
Utah - Mac Costin (midfield), Liam Donnelly (goalie) —> Albany, Jimmy Perkins (A/M), Nick Hapney (defense)
Virginia - Xander Dickson (attack)
Vermont - Drew Lenkaitis (attack), Ben French (attack)
Wagner - Jake Garb (attack)
Yale - BJ Burlace (defense)—>MARYLAND; Jackson Morrill (attack)—>Denver, Lucas Cotler (midfield)—> Denver, Brian Ward (LSM)

jrn19 wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 9:03 pm Dylan Pallonetti going to Stony Brook https://twitter.com/tyxanders/status/12 ... 75941?s=21

I sort of had the feeling Pallonetti might be moving a little closer to home.

Sore&Old where ever you are, I hope you enjoy his play.

AreaLax wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 8:55 pm TLD

From TX twitter back in April

.@HarvardMLax sophomore attackman Austin Madronic has entered the portal as a grad student for the 2023 season, per a source. A British Columbia native and @Culver_Lacrosse alum, Madronic has 31g/18a through 16 career games, leading the Crimson in points in 2020.

I know and I saw that. That’s a long way away. Seems like all the others in the portal are graduates or rising seniors or underclassmen playing elsewhere next season. Maybe put an asterisk next to him as he won’t he helping a new team in 2021 or 2022 (unless he changes his exit strategy). His case is an outlier.

Updating HopFan16's list

Albany - Davis Diamond (attack/midfield), Isaiah Skidders (attack), Teioshontathe McComber (attack)
Bellarmine - Morgan Macko (attack)
Boston University - Max Tetreault (FOGO)
Bryant - David DeMartino (defense)—>Trinity
Brown - Ryan Finlay (defense)
Bucknell - Will Yorke (attack), Connor Shears (defense), Hunter Newman (LSM), Grayson Burns (attack), Matt Fedorjaka (midfield)
Canisius - Cade Talbert (goalie)
Colgate - Griffin Brown (attack/midfield) —> Maryland, Nicky Petkevich (attack), Parker Baddley (LSM), John Donahue (defense), Cooper Belanger (midfield), Jesse Rosenblatt (attack)
Furman - Luke Majick (midfield), Alec van de Bovenkamp (goalie)x->OSU, Luke Muter (defense)
Hartford - Cullin Walsh (goalie)
Harvard - Myles Hamm (attack), Beau Botkiss (defense), Austin Madronic (attack)*, Nigel Andrews (midfield)
Hobart - Sam Lucchesi (goalie), PJ Delpha (defense), Eric Holden (attack)—>Maryland, Justin Scott (A/M)
Hampton - Ian Groom(FO)
Hofstra - Whit Stopak (attack), Ryan Kinnard (midfield), Eric Wenz (defense)—>OSU, Nick Williams (attack)
Holy Cross - Justin Lynskey (attack), Sean Mullaney (midfield), Dan O'Connell(FO)
Hopkins - Jack Rapine (defense), Alex Gainey (goalie), Cole Williams (attack), Alex Concannon (midfield)
Lafayette - Beaudan Szuluk (defense)
Maryland - Dylan Pallonetti (attack/midfield)—>Stony Brook, Jack DeSantis (defense)—>OSU
Merrimack - Davis Cronin (FOGO), Charlie Bertrand (attack)
Michigan - Matt Trowbridge (goalie), Finn Goonan (LSM)
Mount St. Mary's - Evan Falkowski (midfield)
Notre Dame - Michael Farnish (Defense)
Ohio State - Josh Kirson (goalie), Christian Tomei (goalie) —>Jacksonville
Penn - Kyle Gallagher (FOGO)---> Notre Dame, Kyle Thornton (defense)--->Notre Dame
Penn State - Collin Almeida (Midfield), Brad Santore (Midfield)
Princeton - Michael Sowers (attack)—>Duke, Connor McCarthy (midfield), Phil Robertson (attack)
Providence - Sean Lahey (attack)
Richmond - Mick Burden (FO)
Robert Morris - Austin Popovich (midfield)
Rutger - Demetrius Stevenson (Midfield) —> Delaware; Zach Groff (goalie)
St. Bonaventure - John Kilcommons(attack)
St. John’s - Kyle McBride(LSM)
St. Joseph's - Mike Adler (goalie)
Syracuse - Jared Fernandez (LSM), Jacob Nelson (attack), Sean Donnelly(attack), Luke Strang (goalie), Andrew Kim (midfield), Justin Kim (midfield)
UMass - Matt Baugher (attack), Jack Geiger (Midfield)
UMass Lowell - Matt Murakami (goalie)
UMBC - Steven Cornwell (LSM)
Utah - Mac Costin (midfield), Liam Donnelly (goalie) —> Albany, Jimmy Perkins (A/M), Nick Hapney (defense)
Virginia - Xander Dickson (attack)
Vermont - Drew Lenkaitis (attack), Ben French (attack)
Wagner - Jake Garb (attack)
Yale - BJ Burlace (defense)—>MARYLAND; Jackson Morrill (attack)—>Denver, Lucas Cotler (midfield)—> Denver, Brian Ward (LSM)

* in the portal for the future 2023

TX Twitter

@NDlacrosse face-off man Charlie Leonard withdrew his name from the portal & will play for the Irish in ‘21 while getting his MBA, sources told IL.

Don't know how to update the list with the colors, but David DeMartino from Bryant is heading to Trinity.

anyone got numbers on the amount of transfers in and out by program the last 3 years. Maryland has a stunning amount of turnover.

jhu06 wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:44 pm anyone got numbers on the amount of transfers in and out by program the last 3 years. Maryland has a stunning amount of turnover.

#narrative

Wheels wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 12:44 am

jhu06 wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 10:44 pm anyone got numbers on the amount of transfers in and out by program the last 3 years. Maryland has a stunning amount of turnover.

#narrative

haha. hop's running scared already.

Why do Maryland fans get so defensive when you point out the unassailable fact that they have had a lot of transfers? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a good or bad thing. It has picked up in the last few years and I think the jury is still out on if that has any tangible overall effect positively or negatively on the program—though either way, it is a thing that is happening. In the last two offseasons Tillman has very clearly decided to be an active participant in the transfer market, and not just for the obvious no-brainer guys. He seems to be using it to plug smaller holes to, like getting that SSDM from Cleveland State. I don’t have a problem with the philosophy. I think it’s an interesting strategy not every coach is employing. Stop acting like it’s an attack on your children by merely bringing it up.

Also kind of hard to run scared from a team you’ve beaten three times in a row but that’s just me.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 9:38 am Why do Maryland fans get so defensive when you point out the unassailable fact that they have had a lot of transfers? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a good or bad thing. It has picked up in the last few years and I think the jury is still out on if that has any tangible overall effect positively or negatively on the program—though either way, it is a thing that is happening. In the last two offseasons Tillman has very clearly decided to be an active participant in the transfer market, and not just for the obvious no-brainer guys. He seems to be using it to plug smaller holes to, like getting that SSDM from Cleveland State. I don’t have a problem with the philosophy. I think it’s an interesting strategy not every coach is employing. Stop acting like it’s an attack on your children by merely bringing it up.

Also kind of hard to run scared from a team you’ve beaten three times in a row but that’s just me.

I don’t care about anyone pointing it out, my only question is why it seems to bother some people so much. A bunch of people seem to have some issue with it and treat it like a less legitimate or ethical way to build and improve your team and this makes no sense to me whatsoever. The idea that it’s “better” or in any way more respectable to not bring in transfers and just do it through recruiting; when bringing in transfers is quite literally just...recruiting. The way it’s framed as Tillman lurking in the shadows pushing players away like a movie villain or something is genuinely kind of funny though.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 9:38 am Why do Maryland fans get so defensive when you point out the unassailable fact that they have had a lot of transfers? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a good or bad thing. It has picked up in the last few years and I think the jury is still out on if that has any tangible overall effect positively or negatively on the program—though either way, it is a thing that is happening. In the last two offseasons Tillman has very clearly decided to be an active participant in the transfer market, and not just for the obvious no-brainer guys. He seems to be using it to plug smaller holes to, like getting that SSDM from Cleveland State. I don’t have a problem with the philosophy. I think it’s an interesting strategy not every coach is employing. Stop acting like it’s an attack on your children by merely bringing it up.

Also kind of hard to run scared from a team you’ve beaten three times in a row but that’s just me.

Hilarious......Have you looked at your own transfer portal lately? Pot meet kettle.......

jrn19 wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 9:52 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 9:38 am Why do Maryland fans get so defensive when you point out the unassailable fact that they have had a lot of transfers? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a good or bad thing. It has picked up in the last few years and I think the jury is still out on if that has any tangible overall effect positively or negatively on the program—though either way, it is a thing that is happening. In the last two offseasons Tillman has very clearly decided to be an active participant in the transfer market, and not just for the obvious no-brainer guys. He seems to be using it to plug smaller holes to, like getting that SSDM from Cleveland State. I don’t have a problem with the philosophy. I think it’s an interesting strategy not every coach is employing. Stop acting like it’s an attack on your children by merely bringing it up.

Also kind of hard to run scared from a team you’ve beaten three times in a row but that’s just me.

I don’t care about anyone pointing it out, my only question is why it seems to bother some people so much. A bunch of people seem to have some issue with it and treat it like a less legitimate or ethical way to build and improve your team and this makes no sense to me whatsoever. The idea that it’s “better” or in any way more respectable to not bring in transfers and just do it through recruiting; when bringing in transfers is quite literally just...recruiting. The way it’s framed as Tillman lurking in the shadows pushing players away like a movie villain or something is genuinely kind of funny though.

I was just on the Champions League Thread and some bloke from Man City was complaining about Hopkins goalie situation and then this jack wad from Liverpool starts complaining about every thread getting commandeered bi Hopkins Fan.WUWT

blue angels wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 10:05 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 9:38 am Why do Maryland fans get so defensive when you point out the unassailable fact that they have had a lot of transfers? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a good or bad thing. It has picked up in the last few years and I think the jury is still out on if that has any tangible overall effect positively or negatively on the program—though either way, it is a thing that is happening. In the last two offseasons Tillman has very clearly decided to be an active participant in the transfer market, and not just for the obvious no-brainer guys. He seems to be using it to plug smaller holes to, like getting that SSDM from Cleveland State. I don’t have a problem with the philosophy. I think it’s an interesting strategy not every coach is employing. Stop acting like it’s an attack on your children by merely bringing it up.

Also kind of hard to run scared from a team you’ve beaten three times in a row but that’s just me.

Hilarious......Have you looked at your own transfer portal lately? Pot meet kettle.......

Huh? 5 guys (out of 50+ on the roster) entering the portal after their coach leaves is the same as Tillman's strategy...how? Petro was not at all big on transfers, especially recently. I think we've had precisely two incoming transfers in the last like 10 seasons or something. He went after Scanlan and Gray just like everybody else, but he has, it seems, deliberately not gone after the lesser known guys to plug holes despite ample opportunity to do so. I don't really think you thought this one through.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 9:38 am Why do Maryland fans get so defensive when you point out the unassailable fact that they have had a lot of transfers? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a good or bad thing. It has picked up in the last few years and I think the jury is still out on if that has any tangible overall effect positively or negatively on the program—though either way, it is a thing that is happening. In the last two offseasons Tillman has very clearly decided to be an active participant in the transfer market, and not just for the obvious no-brainer guys. He seems to be using it to plug smaller holes to, like getting that SSDM from Cleveland State. I don’t have a problem with the philosophy. I think it’s an interesting strategy not every coach is employing. Stop acting like it’s an attack on your children by merely bringing it up.

Also kind of hard to run scared from a team you’ve beaten three times in a row but that’s just me.

Because fans start using it against UMd, saying things like "I don't know why recruits sign with UMd when Tillman brings in transfers to replace them".

It just got harder to be a Yale fan, and still a critic of transfers with the recent indication that TD Ierlan will be the exception to Yale's no fifth year option for its' athletes because in the process of his transfer to Yale he wasn't accorded credit for all his UAlbany courses and thus needs another semester to complete his studies. Do I feel sorry for his talented understudy Joe Neumann? Yes and to a great extent, but not to the extent that I'm not thoroughly delighted that TD is coming back for a 5th season. That's the self interest paradox in this discussion.

Teams and coaches do what they can to form a team out of diverse parts year in year out subject to the rules of their leagues and their schools. I don't see much difference between a transfer culture and a red-shirt culture. Heck Syracuse is the epitome of both with Maryland not far behiind, and there are a few other big name lax schools that cater to that advantage. Is it fair that 19-22 year old lacrosse players at some schools have to play against 19-23 year old at another? I say no big deal. Is it fair that coach Polley at BU cultivates a player with the talent of Chris Gray only to have him lured away in his prime by UNC. Perhaps not, but also perhaps a better situation for the player. A slightly tilted playing field just makes it that much easier to root for the underdog. The Ivies showed this year that such a disparity can be overcome. I would even propose that the upcoming "season of the mercenary" will benefit the non-mercenary schools for the year or two that follows in that the non-ms will have had an extra year to develop team chemistry among their recruits to a greater extent than those with a win-now top heavy roster. Anyway, my two cents, and here is hoping we have a normal lax season next year and TD wins 1000% of his faceoffs. (Isn't there a thread here regarding a discussion to change FOGO protocol?). Unfair, unfair, unfair!

TX twitter

transfer Jared Fernandez, a starting LSM for @CuseMLAX, just let me know that he’ll be joining @JHUmenslacrosse for his final two years of eligibility. Great addition for the Jays in the middle of the field

And after a morning of arguments, Hop picks up a transfer (Fernandez from Cuse).

https://twitter.com/tyxanders/status/12 ... 5127715840