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molo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:18 pmTypical wahoo?

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:53 am

molo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:18 pmTypical wahoo?

How many you 'Hoos reflexively believed Jackie Coakley's and Sabrina Erdeley's fable? If I recall reading Laxpower on the 'Hoo thread back then, about 100% of the Hoo faithful immediately took the side of the fabulists 'cause those darn frats were just not good fellers'. Pitchforks and stake burning, let's do this, cause that's how we roll in the age of mob-ism.

Homer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:38 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:53 am

molo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:18 pmTypical wahoo?

How many you 'Hoos reflexively believed Jackie Coakley's and Sabrina Erdeley's fable? If I recall reading Laxpower on the 'Hoo thread back then, about 100% of the Hoo faithful immediately took the side of the fabulists 'cause those darn frats were just not good fellers'. Pitchforks and stake burning, let's do this, cause that's how we roll in the age of mob-ism.

Pretty strained analogy IMO. I'm on record saying I think Scanlan should button it up, but as far as I'm aware he hasn't accused anybody of any provable fact. All he's done is share (and share... and share...) his opinion that he found his teammates to be generally unpleasant people. Obviously you don't agree. Doesn't mean he's lying about his own subjective perception..

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:13 am

Homer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:38 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:53 am

molo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:18 pmTypical wahoo?

How many you 'Hoos reflexively believed Jackie Coakley's and Sabrina Erdeley's fable? If I recall reading Laxpower on the 'Hoo thread back then, about 100% of the Hoo faithful immediately took the side of the fabulists 'cause those darn frats were just not good fellers'. Pitchforks and stake burning, let's do this, cause that's how we roll in the age of mob-ism.

Pretty strained analogy IMO. I'm on record saying I think Scanlan should button it up, but as far as I'm aware he hasn't accused anybody of any provable fact. All he's done is share (and share... and share...) his opinion that he found his teammates to be generally unpleasant people. Obviously you don't agree. Doesn't mean he's lying about his own subjective perception..

Look, I'm more tired discussing Scanlan than anyone; we have a D1 title to win shortly.

It's you and many others keep coming on to this thread defending Chase in some obtuse, 'hey-he-only-said-he didn't-like-the-joint' nonsense ('it's not like he accused his former teammates of anything bad'); all Loyola lax players are wealthy kids even the public school kids, etc...

Refresher course on an actual quote: "He thought players on Loyola put money first. On top of not having the same interests, most kept to themselves. If it doesn’t help them out, they don’t care,” he said."

So, you think 45 kids, on one lacrosse team, all share the same repulsive characteristics, as quoted above by a former teammate? Really?

Maybe the way to look at it is, some malcontent said something idiotic because he had problems, not because 45 teammates are 'egotistical money-hungry trust fund preppies'. And yeah, I know the deal here more than most but have never said what really went down. And won't. And yet, no doubt you'll keep sticking up for the one player because that story is sweeter to the ear; you'll assert that the quote above has some truth to it, it MUST!, because I dunno, well it just MUST!

BTW, my analogy isn't that strained. It's the same deal here as it was for UVA fraternities, Duke lacrosse players, and now Loyola lacrosse players: most lacrosse kids are really great people. Be honest: did you believe Crystal Mangum? Jackie Coakley? From the start, I didn't and got slayed for saying so. I saw a person doubt the UVA story on Laxpower and some frequent posters there called that guy (who spoke the truth) a 'rape apologist'.

Lax players occasionally get the short end of the Social media stick by people (who played lacrosse or have a kid who plays!) who want them to be seen as bad. As for me, I'll never buy that line because I know a ton of lacrosse people, and almost all are exceptional human beings. That's why this story is such baloney. And yet you believe.

The moron mob invariably gets it wrong because they need to confirm their biases (doubling down, then they never come back and apologize when their hysteria is proven wrong).

Let's go win this title, Hounds!

Lenwood117 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:29 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:13 am

Homer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:38 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:53 am

molo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:18 pmTypical wahoo?

How many you 'Hoos reflexively believed Jackie Coakley's and Sabrina Erdeley's fable? If I recall reading Laxpower on the 'Hoo thread back then, about 100% of the Hoo faithful immediately took the side of the fabulists 'cause those darn frats were just not good fellers'. Pitchforks and stake burning, let's do this, cause that's how we roll in the age of mob-ism.

Pretty strained analogy IMO. I'm on record saying I think Scanlan should button it up, but as far as I'm aware he hasn't accused anybody of any provable fact. All he's done is share (and share... and share...) his opinion that he found his teammates to be generally unpleasant people. Obviously you don't agree. Doesn't mean he's lying about his own subjective perception..

Look, I'm more tired discussing Scanlan than anyone; we have a D1 title to win shortly.

It's you and many others keep coming on to this thread defending Chase in some obtuse, 'hey-he-only-said-he didn't-like-the-joint' nonsense ('it's not like he accused his former teammates of anything bad'); all Loyola lax players are wealthy kids even the public school kids, etc...

Refresher course on an actual quote: "He thought players on Loyola put money first. On top of not having the same interests, most kept to themselves. If it doesn’t help them out, they don’t care,” he said."

So, you think 45 kids, on one lacrosse team, all share the same repulsive characteristics, as quoted above by a former teammate? Really?

Maybe the way to look at it is, some malcontent said something idiotic because he had problems, not because 45 teammates are 'egotistical money-hungry trust fund preppies'. And yeah, I know the deal here more than most but have never said what really went down. And won't. And yet, no doubt you'll keep sticking up for the one player because that story is sweeter to the ear; you'll assert that the quote above has some truth to it, it MUST!, because I dunno, well it just MUST!

BTW, my analogy isn't that strained. It's the same deal here as it was for UVA fraternities, Duke lacrosse players, and now Loyola lacrosse players: most lacrosse kids are really great people. Be honest: did you believe Crystal Mangum? Jackie Coakley? From the start, I didn't and got slayed for saying so. I saw a person doubt the UVA story on Laxpower and some frequent posters there called that guy (who spoke the truth) a 'rape apologist'.

Lax players occasionally get the short end of the Social media stick by people (who played lacrosse or have a kid who plays!) who want them to be seen as bad. As for me, I'll never buy that line because I know a ton of lacrosse people, and almost all are exceptional human beings. That's why this story is such baloney. And yet you believe.

The moron mob invariably gets it wrong because they need to confirm their biases (doubling down, then they never come back and apologize when their hysteria is proven wrong).

Let's go win this title, Hounds!

D1 title? try winning Patriot league first.

Lenwood117 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:29 am D1 title? try winning Patriot league first.

thatsmell wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:41 am There's no "lonely defender of truth" here.

I am a steadfast Loyola fan and lax alum.

Scanlan IS a good kid and comes from a good family. This is an opinion of mine, but I think it's important to throw that out there b/c I met them all at a lax event last year and they seemd great. AND it's important to note because I am very disappointed I wont get to see Chase return and continue to play for the Hounds. Additionally, the comments he made struck a nerve with me too.

I don't fully discount them either. That is the environment Fr. Linnane has been SPECIFICALLY aiming for at Loyola over the past 20 years. Loyola College used to be a very blue collar school. But Linnane wanted Boston College/Holy Cross South. Well he worked the image and marketing and got it. For the good and bad. Linnane is extremely content to recruit from the NE private schools and charge CT, NY and NJ parents high tuition and meanwhile push all the local, catholic working-class Baltimore kids to Towson and Mt. St Mary's.

So with Scanlan, I think the facts are:

He went to IMG for h/s and shopped around, looking for good lacrosse opportunities.
He chose Syracuse intially, then decommitted and went to Loyola.
He came to Loyola for one year, had tremendous success and got to play with Tewy winner Pat Spencer.
Scanlan then decided to transfer out after Pat graduated.
He says he was unhappy, needed to be on a more "blue collar" team and alluded to wanting to be closer to this family.
He considered more blue-chip (not blue collar) teams like Hopkins, Cornell, and UVA.
He does not appear to have wanted to offend his teammates at Loyola, but he did.
He ultimately transferred to the school he ORIGINALLY chose, Syracuse.
Draw your own conclusions about motivations for those actions, but those are the facts.

I look at the situation for maliciousness. I don't see any of that. I see a kid who chose a school and wanted something different. Probably thought his original choice/instinct was the right one. I feel for Scanlan for putting his foot in his mouth. I don't think he knew the extent that his comments would hurt his teammates and the Loyola lax community. But it's a valuable life lesson for the KID. All reports are that he is a good teammate and student so no need to project asinine "what-if" scenarios.

Here's hoping this is for the best interest of all parties and everyone moves on to success.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:48 am

thatsmell wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:41 am There's no "lonely defender of truth" here.

I am a steadfast Loyola fan and lax alum.

Scanlan IS a good kid and comes from a good family. This is an opinion of mine, but I think it's important to throw that out there b/c I met them all at a lax event last year and they seemd great. AND it's important to note because I am very disappointed I wont get to see Chase return and continue to play for the Hounds. Additionally, the comments he made struck a nerve with me too.

I don't fully discount them either. That is the environment Fr. Linnane has been SPECIFICALLY aiming for at Loyola over the past 20 years. Loyola College used to be a very blue collar school. But Linnane wanted Boston College/Holy Cross South. Well he worked the image and marketing and got it. For the good and bad. Linnane is extremely content to recruit from the NE private schools and charge CT, NY and NJ parents high tuition and meanwhile push all the local, catholic working-class Baltimore kids to Towson and Mt. St Mary's.

So with Scanlan, I think the facts are:

He went to IMG for h/s and shopped around, looking for good lacrosse opportunities.
He chose Syracuse intially, then decommitted and went to Loyola.
He came to Loyola for one year, had tremendous success and got to play with Tewy winner Pat Spencer.
Scanlan then decided to transfer out after Pat graduated.
He says he was unhappy, needed to be on a more "blue collar" team and alluded to wanting to be closer to this family.
He considered more blue-chip (not blue collar) teams like Hopkins, Cornell, and UVA.
He does not appear to have wanted to offend his teammates at Loyola, but he did.
He ultimately transferred to the school he ORIGINALLY chose, Syracuse.
Draw your own conclusions about motivations for those actions, but those are the facts.

I look at the situation for maliciousness. I don't see any of that. I see a kid who chose a school and wanted something different. Probably thought his original choice/instinct was the right one. I feel for Scanlan for putting his foot in his mouth. I don't think he knew the extent that his comments would hurt his teammates and the Loyola lax community. But it's a valuable life lesson for the KID. All reports are that he is a good teammate and student so no need to project asinine "what-if" scenarios.

Here's hoping this is for the best interest of all parties and everyone moves on to success.

So, thatsmell, what I take away from your post is, you met a family once and 'they are great', but every kid at Loyola now is a NE Prep School kid without the moral fiber of a blue collar Baltimore Catholic? I mean, are you effing kidding me with that jibe? gmafb.

I do not get (nor ever will) any wholesale, sweeping generalization of a mixed body of people. Loyola is a school like every other school in America, most of the kids are great kids looking to learn and grow, occasionally do dumb things like chase coeds and drink beer, but there for the grace of God went I.

What is the deal with reckless wholesale slander? No wonder Rolling Stone almost got away with it. Et tu, Brute?

houndace1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:37 pm

harflax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:18 pm I know I am going to get destroyed for posting this but as a long time high school and club coach I can tell you the things that Scanlan said are not new. I am not saying they are true, but that is the rep of the program and quite frankly the school. I am not saying that they are indigenous to Loyola. You here the same things about a few other schools. Even the demographics of the team with 55% of the roster from private schools and seven from the state of Connecticut, six of whom are from wealthy public schools lend itself to the reputation. It simply is not a blue collar roster. Syracuse could be a better demographic fit for Scanlan. Are they broad generalizations, yes? I have had the pleasure to coach a few players over the years that have attended and played a Loyola and all of them are done to earth nice people from nice families.

This summer at a club tournament I had another head coach in the Patriot Conference go off on me about certain things at Loyola. A lot of heads were raised when Loyola took a transfer that was thrown out of a traditional blue blood school for a very serious violation a couple of years ago.

I think Coach T is a great coach, you have great dorms, and Loyola is a good academic school that draws from the majority of its students from the northeast. You may have the best fan base in the sport. All pluses for Loyola. However the items that Scanlan said are not new .

going off on this, I personally know that one kid who came in as a transfer, was kicked out of the Loyola program as well due to a violation of rules

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:48 am

thatsmell wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:41 am There's no "lonely defender of truth" here.

I am a steadfast Loyola fan and lax alum.

Scanlan IS a good kid and comes from a good family. This is an opinion of mine, but I think it's important to throw that out there b/c I met them all at a lax event last year and they seemd great. AND it's important to note because I am very disappointed I wont get to see Chase return and continue to play for the Hounds. Additionally, the comments he made struck a nerve with me too.

I don't fully discount them either. That is the environment Fr. Linnane has been SPECIFICALLY aiming for at Loyola over the past 20 years. Loyola College used to be a very blue collar school. But Linnane wanted Boston College/Holy Cross South. Well he worked the image and marketing and got it. For the good and bad. Linnane is extremely content to recruit from the NE private schools and charge CT, NY and NJ parents high tuition and meanwhile push all the local, catholic working-class Baltimore kids to Towson and Mt. St Mary's.

So with Scanlan, I think the facts are:

He went to IMG for h/s and shopped around, looking for good lacrosse opportunities.
He chose Syracuse intially, then decommitted and went to Loyola.
He came to Loyola for one year, had tremendous success and got to play with Tewy winner Pat Spencer.
Scanlan then decided to transfer out after Pat graduated.
He says he was unhappy, needed to be on a more "blue collar" team and alluded to wanting to be closer to this family.
He considered more blue-chip (not blue collar) teams like Hopkins, Cornell, and UVA.
He does not appear to have wanted to offend his teammates at Loyola, but he did.
He ultimately transferred to the school he ORIGINALLY chose, Syracuse.
Draw your own conclusions about motivations for those actions, but those are the facts.

I look at the situation for maliciousness. I don't see any of that. I see a kid who chose a school and wanted something different. Probably thought his original choice/instinct was the right one. I feel for Scanlan for putting his foot in his mouth. I don't think he knew the extent that his comments would hurt his teammates and the Loyola lax community. But it's a valuable life lesson for the KID. All reports are that he is a good teammate and student so no need to project asinine "what-if" scenarios.

Here's hoping this is for the best interest of all parties and everyone moves on to success.

So, thatsmell, what I take away from your post is, you met a family once and 'they are great', but every kid at Loyola now is a NE Prep School kid without the moral fiber of a blue collar Baltimore Catholic? I mean, are you effing kidding me with that jibe? gmafb.

I do not get (nor ever will) any wholesale, sweeping generalization of a mixed body of people. Loyola is a school like every other school in America, most of the kids are great kids looking to learn and grow, occasionally do dumb things like chase coeds and drink beer, but there for the grace of God went I.

What is the deal with reckless wholesale slander? No wonder Rolling Stone almost got away with it. Et tu, Brute?

thatsmell wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:41 am There's no "lonely defender of truth" here.

I am a steadfast Loyola fan and lax alum.

Scanlan IS a good kid and comes from a good family. This is an opinion of mine, but I think it's important to throw that out there b/c I met them all at a lax event last year and they seemd great. AND it's important to note because I am very disappointed I wont get to see Chase return and continue to play for the Hounds. Additionally, the comments he made struck a nerve with me too.

I don't fully discount them either. That is the environment Fr. Linnane has been SPECIFICALLY aiming for at Loyola over the past 20 years. Loyola College used to be a very blue collar school. But Linnane wanted Boston College/Holy Cross South. Well he worked the image and marketing and got it. For the good and bad. Linnane is extremely content to recruit from the NE private schools and charge CT, NY and NJ parents high tuition and meanwhile push all the local, catholic working-class Baltimore kids to Towson and Mt. St Mary's.

So with Scanlan, I think the facts are:

He went to IMG for h/s and shopped around, looking for good lacrosse opportunities.
He chose Syracuse intially, then decommitted and went to Loyola.
He came to Loyola for one year, had tremendous success and got to play with Tewy winner Pat Spencer.
Scanlan then decided to transfer out after Pat graduated.
He says he was unhappy, needed to be on a more "blue collar" team and alluded to wanting to be closer to this family.
He considered more blue-chip (not blue collar) teams like Hopkins, Cornell, and UVA.
He does not appear to have wanted to offend his teammates at Loyola, but he did.
He ultimately transferred to the school he ORIGINALLY chose, Syracuse.
Draw your own conclusions about motivations for those actions, but those are the facts.

I look at the situation for maliciousness. I don't see any of that. I see a kid who chose a school and wanted something different. Probably thought his Linnane is extremely content to recruit from the NE private schools and charge CT, NY and NJ parents high tuition and meanwhile push all the local, catholic working-class Baltimore kids to Towson and Mt. St Mary's.original choice/instinct was the right one. I feel for Scanlan for putting his foot in his mouth. I don't think he knew the extent that his comments would hurt his teammates and the Loyola lax community. But it's a valuable life lesson for the KID. All reports are that he is a good teammate and student so no need to project asinine "what-if" scenarios.

Here's hoping this is for the best interest of all parties and everyone moves on to success.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:13 am Look, I'm more tired discussing Scanlan than anyone; we have a D1 title to win shortly.

It's you and many others keep coming on to this thread defending Chase in some obtuse, 'hey-he-only-said-he didn't-like-the-joint' nonsense ('it's not like he accused his former teammates of anything bad'); all Loyola lax players are wealthy kids even the public school kids, etc...

Refresher course on an actual quote: "He thought players on Loyola put money first. On top of not having the same interests, most kept to themselves. If it doesn’t help them out, they don’t care,” he said."

So, you think 45 kids, on one lacrosse team, all share the same repulsive characteristics, as quoted above by a former teammate? Really?

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:13 am Be honest: did you believe Crystal Mangum? Jackie Coakley?

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:04 pm Man, this thread is a mess! You just love to see it.

At least Scanlan put his name on his comments. Petey B. over here taking shots at the kid from the anonymity of a FanLax account. Tough look, IMO.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:10 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:04 pm Man, this thread is a mess! You just love to see it.

At least Scanlan put his name on his comments. Petey B. over here taking shots at the kid from the anonymity of a FanLax account. Tough look, IMO.

Yeah, I'm the one taking shots at a kid who called his teammates 'money-grubbing egotists'; it's all on me.

I'd expect nothing less from a guy who cheers a program in its death rattle. Yay, we finished 8-8! Yay mediocrity!

Don't worry though, Pat isn't around this year to trip up Hop defenders simply by looking sideways. Mt. Saint Mary's can't beat the Jays enough in my book, relegating Hop to absolute lowest in the state.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:36 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:10 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:04 pm Man, this thread is a mess! You just love to see it.

At least Scanlan put his name on his comments. Petey B. over here taking shots at the kid from the anonymity of a FanLax account. Tough look, IMO.

Yeah, I'm the one taking shots at a kid who called his teammates 'money-grubbing egotists'; it's all on me.

I'd expect nothing less from a guy who cheers a program in its death rattle. Yay, we finished 8-8! Yay mediocrity!

Don't worry though, Pat isn't around this year to trip up Hop defenders simply by looking sideways. Mt. Saint Mary's can't beat the Jays enough in my book, relegating Hop to absolute lowest in the state.

You keep using quotation marks around that phrase like it's a direct quote. Those are your words, not his.

Sounds like I stuck a nerve, though. Your immediate defense mechanism is to launch into the usual "Hopkins sucks" tirade. Doesn't change the fact that you're going after a kid anonymously, with completely unverifiable claims about knowing more about the situation than anyone else. I have no idea if what Scanlan said about his former teammates is true or even partly true but I'll take the word of someone willing to say things publicly, with his name attached, than the mad ravings of an anonymous FanLax poster who feels it is his sacred duty to defend the honor of the rest of the Loyola team, who I'm sure are just begging for the assistance.