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DMac wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:08 pm Watch this movie if you can, very interesting.
Frankly, I believe there are a whole lot more
fathers raising other men's children than most
people would imagine.
(It's on prime video)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2088865/

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:22 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:19 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:00 am

DMac wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:29 am They do offer something that says it never happened.

BYU police reviewed footage of the fan who was banned and determined that he did not yell any slurs when Richardson was serving. The fan wasn’t even present when Richardson was serving the first time, and he was on his phone during Richardson’s second serve. Those were the only two times she served in front of the BYU student section. A BYU student newspaper reached out to several people in the student section, none of whom had heard any slurs.

I sure don't know if it really happened or not but I do find it hard to imagine that that the people around the alleged yeller of racial slurs wouldn't shut the guy up and let him know immediately that his behavior isn't going to be tolerated. I know I would, that would make me so uncomfortable that there's no way I'd be able to sit there and not say something. I'm bettin' you'd be the same. I sure don't have any trouble imagining the media got it wrong and jumped all over it like a dog to a steak bone though...another Duke story?

ahh, thanks, I did't see the continue reading button. Seemed rather short!

This is all over right wing media today (including the Washington Examiner) - I find it very hard to believe that all of these media outlets were somehow duped to cover a total fraud (they nominally have to verify all of the facts and sources and they player in question made public statements to all of the media) but despite that it certainly isn't impossible - having said that the Smollett reference is appropriate.
My question is why did BYU AD go all over media for days and never once even suggested a hoax and even confirmed that a fan had been banned from the arena and discussions/apologies with Duke players and staff. Certainly deserves more investigation including the Duke players and coaches, the various media outlets who went with it and the university. If true, they all need to fess up however embarrassing that might be.

Certainly agree, but the player seems rather clear about what she heard...and she doesn't sound like a wild-eyed race baiter. (godmother might be...)

But if it it really didn't happen, important to have that be cleared up...BUT if it DID happen, to be clear about that as well.

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:47 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:22 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:19 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:00 am

DMac wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:29 am They do offer something that says it never happened.

BYU police reviewed footage of the fan who was banned and determined that he did not yell any slurs when Richardson was serving. The fan wasn’t even present when Richardson was serving the first time, and he was on his phone during Richardson’s second serve. Those were the only two times she served in front of the BYU student section. A BYU student newspaper reached out to several people in the student section, none of whom had heard any slurs.

I sure don't know if it really happened or not but I do find it hard to imagine that that the people around the alleged yeller of racial slurs wouldn't shut the guy up and let him know immediately that his behavior isn't going to be tolerated. I know I would, that would make me so uncomfortable that there's no way I'd be able to sit there and not say something. I'm bettin' you'd be the same. I sure don't have any trouble imagining the media got it wrong and jumped all over it like a dog to a steak bone though...another Duke story?

ahh, thanks, I did't see the continue reading button. Seemed rather short!

This is all over right wing media today (including the Washington Examiner) - I find it very hard to believe that all of these media outlets were somehow duped to cover a total fraud (they nominally have to verify all of the facts and sources and they player in question made public statements to all of the media) but despite that it certainly isn't impossible - having said that the Smollett reference is appropriate.
My question is why did BYU AD go all over media for days and never once even suggested a hoax and even confirmed that a fan had been banned from the arena and discussions/apologies with Duke players and staff. Certainly deserves more investigation including the Duke players and coaches, the various media outlets who went with it and the university. If true, they all need to fess up however embarrassing that might be.

Certainly agree, but the player seems rather clear about what she heard...and she doesn't sound like a wild-eyed race baiter. (godmother might be...)

But if it it really didn't happen, important to have that be cleared up...BUT if it DID happen, to be clear about that as well.

Am curious, if it didn't happen what does it take to clear it up for the, it still might have happened crowd and UofSC women's basketball coach?
If it did happen, what does it take to be clear about that as well? One witness, two witnesses, corroboration?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:30 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:07 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:45 pm https://filmlifestyle.com/rashomon-effect/

Yeah I need to show my kids it soon. (The movie)

Of course I brought it up in that it’s more related to how and why rather than what whereas in this case we’re discussing a what (did happen). Hence I was suggesting that since were not debating the how or why but rather the what that there’s some pretty straightforward facts on events where one has to declare one correct in two opposing positions.

Either it did happen or it didn’t. Can it truly be a mistake in mishearing or does it have to be a lie? There’s this nebulous area of overlap of when is it ok to accept someone’s actions based on their perceptions as it relates to the “common man” standard. There could be a belief they heard it but is that reasonable even in the context of the persons background and history? If it’s unreasonable it sort of falls back into the lie category when it’s made public or used for any purpose rather than internalizing.

Next step is to figure out why she made a “false” claim to establish intent and other considerations to fully evaluate who is what ultimately.

So maybe she’s lying. Maybe she’s not. We won’t collectively go through the process in describing anyways so we will never know.

I had a debate about this. Parent promises to take kid on vacation. Father becomes ill or loses his job and can’t take vacation. Did he lie?

DMac wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:39 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:10 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:49 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:30 pm I'm not sure this young man who was thought to be the source is 100% "exonerated" but I'd rather see him not punished given that there's not sufficient proof that he was actually the source of what she believes she heard. He may well not have been the source.

Didn't feel that way about OJ...

Yes, the young man who was fingered as the source is indeed 100% exonerated except by people like you who see absolutely no evidence of as not sufficient evidence. The easy target autistic fan not only "may well not have been" the source, he wasn't despite your not being able to accept that.

Getting back to your original agitation towards the media for their work in this situation, aren’t they doing the correct thing and continuing to investigate and report? Are we separating true news from oped and nighttime programming? It seems like the journalism side is generally doing ok here. The media side may not be, I haven’t watched any of it. But that should all be taken with a grain of salt like believing all those cats had those dope apartments in Friends.

Yes, good that the media is on this and the story is being told as it actually happened (didn't).
It's the MDlaxes who continue to throw shade at the facts that makes me crazy.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:32 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:09 pm

MDlax wrote
Yes, the kid may not have said anything, but maybe he did.

Ya just can't do it, can you? You may not have raped a girl at Dartmouth,
but maybe you did. Any insinuation of guilt, however unwarranted, there?

MDlax wrote
But here you are accusing the gal of lying...lying...but you have NO evidence that she is doing so

Yes I am and yes I do, 5,500 or so witnesses including nearby teammates, coaches, security, and officials.
I'm just not being fooled by the girl's appearance.
If I'm any other college I'm cancelling any future scheduled competition I have with Duke women's volleyball
for fear of false accusations of racism knowing full well that people like you will never fully believe that no
such thing ever happened.
No, I have never been accused of racism in the real world and it's nothing personal. It's you and your insistence
that something happened here despite everything indicating that nothing did beyond one person's fabrication.

well, you're spooled up for some reason well out of proportion (IMO) to the situation.

"appearance"??? Her tone, her demeanor, what she says, her history, all provide credibility..."appearance", what, is she "clean" too?

No, 5,500 people are not "witnesses" able to testify that the boy definitely didn't say a slur. A few people immediately in his presence would have some value, and none has come forward willing to say they heard him...but that ain't absolute proof either.

Again, I don't know why this specific individual was thought to have been who did it, but the story is that it stopped (or never happened) when the policeman went up and stood next to him. Doesn't prove a darn thing either way.

Again, assuming the kid didn't say anything wrong, it's really unfortunate that he was tagged as the possible perpetrator. That's definitely not fair to him in that instance.

But you're calling the girl a liar.

Uh huh.

Spooled up is what I was thinking. I believe Dmac believes claims of racism are overblown and it ruffles his feathers for some reason. Unfortunately it’s not “overblown”. I wish it were. Most people don’t understand how deep and pervasive racism is. I know a guy of mixed race. He used to spend Christmas and Summers at his grandmother’s house. When he was about 12 he found out he was of mixed race when his father told him and his brother on a train out of Virginia. He was going back to the town where his grandmother lived (mother’s mom) up north. The father sent a note letting her know the boys were in town. Her comment? I don’t take notes from n*gg…. This was from their grandmother that they spent summers and holidays with for most of their lives…. She cut them off completely. Their grandmother.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:16 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:08 pm Watch this movie if you can, very interesting.
Frankly, I believe there are a whole lot more
fathers raising other men's children than most
people would imagine.
(It's on prime video)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2088865/

Don’t need to. Pretty sure I “know” the family without seeing the movie. A lot of people know the story. BTW, childhood friend raised a kid for 18 years and then was told the boy wasn’t his. Mother said it was him because he had better prospects. It killed him really. Such a bitter pill.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:33 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:16 pm

DMac wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:08 pm Watch this movie if you can, very interesting.
Frankly, I believe there are a whole lot more
fathers raising other men's children than most
people would imagine.
(It's on prime video)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2088865/

Don’t need to. Pretty sure I “know” the family without seeing the movie. A lot of people know the story. BTW, childhood friend raised a kid for 18 years and then was told the boy wasn’t his. Mother said it was him because he had better prospects. It killed him really. Such a bitter pill.

Kanye wrote a song about it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6vwNcNOTVzY

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:21 am

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:47 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:22 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:19 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:00 am

DMac wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:29 am They do offer something that says it never happened.

BYU police reviewed footage of the fan who was banned and determined that he did not yell any slurs when Richardson was serving. The fan wasn’t even present when Richardson was serving the first time, and he was on his phone during Richardson’s second serve. Those were the only two times she served in front of the BYU student section. A BYU student newspaper reached out to several people in the student section, none of whom had heard any slurs.

I sure don't know if it really happened or not but I do find it hard to imagine that that the people around the alleged yeller of racial slurs wouldn't shut the guy up and let him know immediately that his behavior isn't going to be tolerated. I know I would, that would make me so uncomfortable that there's no way I'd be able to sit there and not say something. I'm bettin' you'd be the same. I sure don't have any trouble imagining the media got it wrong and jumped all over it like a dog to a steak bone though...another Duke story?

ahh, thanks, I did't see the continue reading button. Seemed rather short!

This is all over right wing media today (including the Washington Examiner) - I find it very hard to believe that all of these media outlets were somehow duped to cover a total fraud (they nominally have to verify all of the facts and sources and they player in question made public statements to all of the media) but despite that it certainly isn't impossible - having said that the Smollett reference is appropriate.
My question is why did BYU AD go all over media for days and never once even suggested a hoax and even confirmed that a fan had been banned from the arena and discussions/apologies with Duke players and staff. Certainly deserves more investigation including the Duke players and coaches, the various media outlets who went with it and the university. If true, they all need to fess up however embarrassing that might be.

Certainly agree, but the player seems rather clear about what she heard...and she doesn't sound like a wild-eyed race baiter. (godmother might be...)

But if it it really didn't happen, important to have that be cleared up...BUT if it DID happen, to be clear about that as well.

Am curious, if it didn't happen what does it take to clear it up for the, it still might have happened crowd and UofSC women's basketball coach?
If it did happen, what does it take to be clear about that as well? One witness, two witnesses, corroboration?

Good question.

If it did happen, ideally there'd be one or more witnesses in the immediate vicinity who would confirm they heard it as well...even more ideal would be to be able to identify who said it, but that would be much less likely for anyone who wasn't looking directly at the person when it was said. But, so far, no one has been willing to confirm it. As I'd previously said, almost impossible to hear through ambient crowd noise on a tape, so it'd require someone close to have heard it, recognized what was being said, and willing to speak up now...with the glare of the spotlight...ugh.

Proving it didn't happen would likely require an admission by the gal that she didn't hear it and was making it up. The absence of proof of it happening isn't sufficient.

So, unfortunately, limbo.

So, we're at consequences of 'limbo'.

The accused young man shouldn't be banned, given no clear proof that he was the specific source. So, he was reinstated.

The South Carolina coach, unless she truly does have other reason to believe that BYU would be an abnormally hostile place to take her team (and I haven't heard it), should reinstate the games. All away venues have a level of 'hostility', but I don't see a basis, at least at this point, for maintaining a 'no-go' position. That said, unless they're in the same conference, there's lots of other teams to play.

The player should be given the benefit of doubt as to her truthfulness.

BYU, and any other school, should continue its work to make sure its students and fans are not crossing such lines.

A few weeks ago, I asked my nephew who went to Ole Miss for college, graduated in '18, about the atmosphere there; his father had made a comment about the Confederate flags at the tailgates before football games...alongside sections with chandeliers and filet mignon. The son confirmed that it was not atypical, indeed pretty much impossible to find a top fraternity without a Confederate flag somewhere, typically behind the bar...he joined a frat anyway. Just something generally accepted. The controversy more recently was getting rid of the "Rebel" nickname/mascot. https://thedmonline.com/ole-miss-esport ... op-rebels/

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:26 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:30 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:07 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:45 pm https://filmlifestyle.com/rashomon-effect/

Yeah I need to show my kids it soon. (The movie)

Of course I brought it up in that it’s more related to how and why rather than what whereas in this case we’re discussing a what (did happen). Hence I was suggesting that since were not debating the how or why but rather the what that there’s some pretty straightforward facts on events where one has to declare one correct in two opposing positions.

Either it did happen or it didn’t. Can it truly be a mistake in mishearing or does it have to be a lie? There’s this nebulous area of overlap of when is it ok to accept someone’s actions based on their perceptions as it relates to the “common man” standard. There could be a belief they heard it but is that reasonable even in the context of the persons background and history? If it’s unreasonable it sort of falls back into the lie category when it’s made public or used for any purpose rather than internalizing.

Next step is to figure out why she made a “false” claim to establish intent and other considerations to fully evaluate who is what ultimately.

So maybe she’s lying. Maybe she’s not. We won’t collectively go through the process in describing anyways so we will never know.

I had a debate about this. Parent promises to take kid on vacation. Father becomes ill or loses his job and can’t take vacation. Did he lie?

Well that’s the environment changing around the person. Is that the same? I don’t know. In your case the statement/claim was made projecting into the future that would be constant or consistent enough to make that plan. In this case here it’s being alleged after the incident. So not sure they are apples to apples.

The one they teach in business law in grad school Goes back to some law club at Duke: trucker drives down street and drives over empty bag blowing in street comes back later and same bag in street so he drives over it but in the meantime a baby crawled into it. Is he guilty of anything?

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:28 am So you are satisfied that at least the journalistic side is doing what you had a problem with them not doing before at least I take it? If I recall that was your original issue here.

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:52 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:28 am So you are satisfied that at least the journalistic side is doing what you had a problem with them not doing before at least I take it? If I recall that was your original issue here.

Yes. What has me riled up is those who are quick to jump on the allegations as just having to be true but sloth like slow to see they aren't even when proven so, because after all someone still MIGHT have said something.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:50 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:26 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:30 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:07 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:45 pm https://filmlifestyle.com/rashomon-effect/

Yeah I need to show my kids it soon. (The movie)

Of course I brought it up in that it’s more related to how and why rather than what whereas in this case we’re discussing a what (did happen). Hence I was suggesting that since were not debating the how or why but rather the what that there’s some pretty straightforward facts on events where one has to declare one correct in two opposing positions.

Either it did happen or it didn’t. Can it truly be a mistake in mishearing or does it have to be a lie? There’s this nebulous area of overlap of when is it ok to accept someone’s actions based on their perceptions as it relates to the “common man” standard. There could be a belief they heard it but is that reasonable even in the context of the persons background and history? If it’s unreasonable it sort of falls back into the lie category when it’s made public or used for any purpose rather than internalizing.

Next step is to figure out why she made a “false” claim to establish intent and other considerations to fully evaluate who is what ultimately.

So maybe she’s lying. Maybe she’s not. We won’t collectively go through the process in describing anyways so we will never know.

I had a debate about this. Parent promises to take kid on vacation. Father becomes ill or loses his job and can’t take vacation. Did he lie?

Well that’s the environment changing around the person. Is that the same? I don’t know. In your case the statement/claim was made projecting into the future that would be constant or consistent enough to make that plan. In this case here it’s being alleged after the incident. So not sure they are apples to apples.

The one they teach in business law in grad school Goes back to some law club at Duke: trucker drives down street and drives over empty bag blowing in street comes back later and same bag in street so he drives over it but in the meantime a baby crawled into it. Is he guilty of anything?

Lying: 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive She was lying when she said she didn't break the vase. He lied about his past experience.

I was using the example as a stand alone case.

In this volleyball case, getting something wrong is not the same as lying. I would need to see some evidence of the intent to deceive. The lack of evidence does not always equal intent to deceive. However, intent to deceive is often accompanied by a lack of evidence. DMAC and a few others seem to believe both are the same.

Experience leads me to give the girl the benefit of the doubt. DMAC has her guilty of lying. He has no proof or evidence of a lie (as the word is defined). He is cooking that goose.

Being wrong doesn’t mean guilty of lying. Also, having been in a similar situation where I was completely wrong, I have come to realize people make mistakes. This is why eye witness testimony is not very reliable.

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:52 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:28 am So you are satisfied that at least the journalistic side is doing what you had a problem with them not doing before at least I take it? If I recall that was your original issue here.

Yes. What has me riled up is those who are quick to jump on the allegations as just having to be true but sloth like slow to see they aren't even when proven so, because after all someone still MIGHT have said something.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:58 am

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:52 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:28 am So you are satisfied that at least the journalistic side is doing what you had a problem with them not doing before at least I take it? If I recall that was your original issue here.

Yes. What has me riled up is those who are quick to jump on the allegations as just having to be true but sloth like slow to see they aren't even when proven so, because after all someone still MIGHT have said something.

That doesn't exist.

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:40 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:21 am

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:47 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:22 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:19 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:00 am

DMac wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:29 am They do offer something that says it never happened.

BYU police reviewed footage of the fan who was banned and determined that he did not yell any slurs when Richardson was serving. The fan wasn’t even present when Richardson was serving the first time, and he was on his phone during Richardson’s second serve. Those were the only two times she served in front of the BYU student section. A BYU student newspaper reached out to several people in the student section, none of whom had heard any slurs.

I sure don't know if it really happened or not but I do find it hard to imagine that that the people around the alleged yeller of racial slurs wouldn't shut the guy up and let him know immediately that his behavior isn't going to be tolerated. I know I would, that would make me so uncomfortable that there's no way I'd be able to sit there and not say something. I'm bettin' you'd be the same. I sure don't have any trouble imagining the media got it wrong and jumped all over it like a dog to a steak bone though...another Duke story?

ahh, thanks, I did't see the continue reading button. Seemed rather short!

This is all over right wing media today (including the Washington Examiner) - I find it very hard to believe that all of these media outlets were somehow duped to cover a total fraud (they nominally have to verify all of the facts and sources and they player in question made public statements to all of the media) but despite that it certainly isn't impossible - having said that the Smollett reference is appropriate.
My question is why did BYU AD go all over media for days and never once even suggested a hoax and even confirmed that a fan had been banned from the arena and discussions/apologies with Duke players and staff. Certainly deserves more investigation including the Duke players and coaches, the various media outlets who went with it and the university. If true, they all need to fess up however embarrassing that might be.

Certainly agree, but the player seems rather clear about what she heard...and she doesn't sound like a wild-eyed race baiter. (godmother might be...)

But if it it really didn't happen, important to have that be cleared up...BUT if it DID happen, to be clear about that as well.

Am curious, if it didn't happen what does it take to clear it up for the, it still might have happened crowd and UofSC women's basketball coach?
If it did happen, what does it take to be clear about that as well? One witness, two witnesses, corroboration?

Good question.

If it did happen, ideally there'd be one or more witnesses in the immediate vicinity who would confirm they heard it as well...even more ideal would be to be able to identify who said it, but that would be much less likely for anyone who wasn't looking directly at the person when it was said. But, so far, no one has been willing to confirm it. As I'd previously said, almost impossible to hear through ambient crowd noise on a tape, so it'd require someone close to have heard it, recognized what was being said, and willing to speak up now...with the glare of the spotlight...ugh.

Proving it didn't happen would likely require an admission by the gal that she didn't hear it and was making it up. The absence of proof of it happening isn't sufficient.

So, unfortunately, limbo.

So, we're at consequences of 'limbo'.

The accused young man shouldn't be banned, given no clear proof that he was the specific source. So, he was reinstated.

The South Carolina coach, unless she truly does have other reason to believe that BYU would be an abnormally hostile place to take her team (and I haven't heard it), should reinstate the games. All away venues have a level of 'hostility', but I don't see a basis, at least at this point, for maintaining a 'no-go' position. That said, unless they're in the same conference, there's lots of other teams to play.

The player should be given the benefit of doubt as to her truthfulness.

BYU, and any other school, should continue its work to make sure its students and fans are not crossing such lines.

A few weeks ago, I asked my nephew who went to Ole Miss for college, graduated in '18, about the atmosphere there; his father had made a comment about the Confederate flags at the tailgates before football games...alongside sections with chandeliers and filet mignon. The son confirmed that it was not atypical, indeed pretty much impossible to find a top fraternity without a Confederate flag somewhere, typically behind the bar...he joined a frat anyway. Just something generally accepted. The controversy more recently was getting rid of the "Rebel" nickname/mascot. https://thedmonline.com/ole-miss-esport ... op-rebels/

UofSC coach speaks with forked tongue, allegations, however unproven, are good for the goose but not for the gander.
This woman should be forced to reschedule these games (she's cancelled both the home and away games) but if I'm
BYU I'm saying thanks but no thanks. I'm doing the same with Duke too for fear of defamation from fabricated stories.
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/dawn-stal ... d=52749499

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:03 am

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:52 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:28 am So you are satisfied that at least the journalistic side is doing what you had a problem with them not doing before at least I take it? If I recall that was your original issue here.

Yes. What has me riled up is those who are quick to jump on the allegations as just having to be true but sloth like slow to see they aren't even when proven so, because after all someone still MIGHT have said something.

I don’t see you riled up about a lot of stories that turn out wrong…why is this so upsetting?

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:06 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:58 am

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:52 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:28 am So you are satisfied that at least the journalistic side is doing what you had a problem with them not doing before at least I take it? If I recall that was your original issue here.

Yes. What has me riled up is those who are quick to jump on the allegations as just having to be true but sloth like slow to see they aren't even when proven so, because after all someone still MIGHT have said something.

That doesn't exist.

Sorry, my bad, let me rephrase it.
even when every piece of evidence indicates that it's not true and all eye witnesses saw or heard no evidence of
There fixed it.

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:08 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:03 am

DMac wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:52 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:28 am So you are satisfied that at least the journalistic side is doing what you had a problem with them not doing before at least I take it? If I recall that was your original issue here.

Yes. What has me riled up is those who are quick to jump on the allegations as just having to be true but sloth like slow to see they aren't even when proven so, because after all someone still MIGHT have said something.

I don’t see you riled up about a lot of stories that turn out wrong…why is this so upsetting?

What does that have to do with price of tea in China?