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Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:36 pm If the international rule of law is such an urgent priority, the world should have begun by stopping Bush and his colonialist agenda which killed over one million innocents. In 20 years the world has done nothing about it just as in Africa where 20 years of internecine warfare was ignored. Why the sudden selective interest in ROL? Selective enforcement of such illusory theories do not serve to end them. Only a uniform application of principles does.

I obviously don't accept your characterizations of Bush. Never have, nor will.

I do agree that there have been terrible crimes against humanity in Africa. Truly awful.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:25 pm I obviously don't accept your characterizations of Bush. Never have, nor will.

I do agree that there have been terrible crimes against humanity in Africa. Truly awful.

Imagine a book in which a hate filled writer talks about his hatred for a given people, declares he will cause a war to decimate its population, he vows to change things by imposing his own vision of how these people should live (and die), and his willingness to sacrifice the lives of his own people in order to get his ambitions fulfilled. The world would hate any such character. But I'm not talking Mein Kampf, I'm talking about Bush's Downing Street Memo.


Glad to know we agree on what happened in Africa. Now if only people would apply the same standards there as they do in Europe. We just might have some peace in this world.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:47 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:25 pm I obviously don't accept your characterizations of Bush. Never have, nor will.

I do agree that there have been terrible crimes against humanity in Africa. Truly awful.

Imagine a book in which a hate filled writer talks about his hatred for a given people, declares he will cause a war to decimate its population, he vows to change things by imposing his own vision of how these people should live (and die), and his willingness to sacrifice the lives of his own people in order to get his ambitions fulfilled. The world would hate any such character. But I'm not talking Mein Kampf, I'm talking about Bush's Downing Street Memo.


Glad to know we agree on what happened in Africa. Now if only people would apply the same standards there as they do in Europe. We just might have some peace in this world.

You do realize that it wasn't a memo written by Bush or anyone in US government? It was one British analyst's characterization of a meeting, and both the British and US governments said it wasn't actually reflective of their policies then or at any other time.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:52 pm
You do realize that it wasn't a memo written by Bush or anyone in US government? It was one British analyst's characterization of a meeting, and both the British and US governments said it wasn't actually reflective of their policies then or at any other time.

It makes reference to classified data which reflected Bush's mindlessness. He was much clever to put it in writing for the world to see. But it does represent his version of 'mein kampf' efforts to undermine the peace of the world. There's more than enough evidence there to warrant a Nuremberg tribunal.

With all the horsechit the blimp posts here I have NEVER once heard the thing referred to as a troll.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:43 pm With all the horsechit the blimp posts here I have NEVER once heard the thing referred to as a troll.

Actually...trolling has been used...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:56 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:43 pm With all the horsechit the blimp posts here I have NEVER once heard the thing referred to as a troll.

Actually...trolling has been used...

Rightfully so and well deserved.

Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:25 pm
Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:02 pm

Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:25 pm
Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:34 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:52 pm
You do realize that it wasn't a memo written by Bush or anyone in US government? It was one British analyst's characterization of a meeting, and both the British and US governments said it wasn't actually reflective of their policies then or at any other time.

It makes reference to classified data which reflected Bush's mindlessness. He was much clever to put it in writing for the world to see. But it does represent his version of 'mein kampf' efforts to undermine the peace of the world. There's more than enough evidence there to warrant a Nuremberg tribunal.

yeah, you're out of your gourd on this one. None of what you allude to is actually involved in the memo of that discussion between the the US President and Sec of State and the UK PM and Sec of State and various IC folks. There's plenty of reason to be critical of Bush's perspective and arguably downright eagerness to shape the entry into a military conflict, yes, but nothing remotely akin to some sort of manifesto.

Sure, you and other far lefties have exploded some of the comments in the memo to be some sort of gotcha, but neither government agrees that it was an actual reflection of either's policy views and that the 'gotchas' are being misrepresented.

It was classified document, not for any sort of public consumption.

By contrast Mein Kämpf was a very strong manifesto, written for the purpose of being read by the public and attracting others to the mad cause espoused by Hitler.

It is grossly wrong to equate them.

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:06 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:02 pm

Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:25 pm
Fascists are easy to identify

I agree.

DocBarrister

The old saying is soooooo obvious here... it takes one to know one...

does it? I don't think so.

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:35 am Good stuff...

The Weakness of the Despot

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/ ... ket-newtab

+1 - yes it is.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:08 pm
yeah, you're out of your gourd on this one. None of what you allude to is actually involved in the memo of that discussion between the the US President and Sec of State and the UK PM and Sec of State and various IC folks. There's plenty of reason to be critical of Bush's perspective and arguably downright eagerness to shape the entry into a military conflict, yes, but nothing remotely akin to some sort of manifesto.

Sure, you and other far lefties have exploded some of the comments in the memo to be some sort of gotcha, but neither government agrees that it was an actual reflection of either's policy views and that the 'gotchas' are being misrepresented.

It was classified document, not for any sort of public consumption.

By contrast Mein Kämpf was a very strong manifesto, written for the purpose of being read by the public and attracting others to the mad cause espoused by Hitler.

It is grossly wrong to equate them.

Delusional far righties have a tendency to defend each other. Bottom line is that Ben Ferencz equated your hero Bush with Hitler when he said that he is well deserving of a Nuremberg tribunal for his political war crimes. That truth may well be depressing to you and give you thoughts of suicide but, as everybody is well aware, nobody knows the subject better than he does. Therefore, my posts are factual, not based on emotional mysticism like yours are. But to each his own.

Likely collateral effect of Ukraine and Russia war.

Russian field comms: tin cans and string.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:18 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:08 pm
yeah, you're out of your gourd on this one. None of what you allude to is actually involved in the memo of that discussion between the the US President and Sec of State and the UK PM and Sec of State and various IC folks. There's plenty of reason to be critical of Bush's perspective and arguably downright eagerness to shape the entry into a military conflict, yes, but nothing remotely akin to some sort of manifesto.

Sure, you and other far lefties have exploded some of the comments in the memo to be some sort of gotcha, but neither government agrees that it was an actual reflection of either's policy views and that the 'gotchas' are being misrepresented.

It was classified document, not for any sort of public consumption.

By contrast Mein Kämpf was a very strong manifesto, written for the purpose of being read by the public and attracting others to the mad cause espoused by Hitler.

It is grossly wrong to equate them.

Delusional far righties have a tendency to defend each other. Bottom line is that Ben Ferencz equated your hero Bush with Hitler when he said that he is well deserving of a Nuremberg tribunal for his political war crimes. That truth may well be depressing to you and give you thoughts of suicide but, as everybody is well aware, nobody knows the subject better than he does. Therefore, my posts are factual, not based on emotional mysticism like yours are. But to each his own.

Uh … respectfully, I don’t think MDlf76 can be characterized as a delusional far righty and I certainly don’t believe his posts are based on “emotional mysticism” (although that aptly describes my relationship with a former girlfriend in law school ).

DocBarrister

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:18 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:08 pm
yeah, you're out of your gourd on this one. None of what you allude to is actually involved in the memo of that discussion between the the US President and Sec of State and the UK PM and Sec of State and various IC folks. There's plenty of reason to be critical of Bush's perspective and arguably downright eagerness to shape the entry into a military conflict, yes, but nothing remotely akin to some sort of manifesto.

Sure, you and other far lefties have exploded some of the comments in the memo to be some sort of gotcha, but neither government agrees that it was an actual reflection of either's policy views and that the 'gotchas' are being misrepresented.

It was classified document, not for any sort of public consumption.

By contrast Mein Kämpf was a very strong manifesto, written for the purpose of being read by the public and attracting others to the mad cause espoused by Hitler.

It is grossly wrong to equate them.

Delusional far righties have a tendency to defend each other. Bottom line is that Ben Ferencz equated your hero Bush with Hitler when he said that he is well deserving of a Nuremberg tribunal for his political war crimes. That truth may well be depressing to you and give you thoughts of suicide but, as everybody is well aware, nobody knows the subject better than he does. Therefore, my posts are factual, not based on emotional mysticism like yours are. But to each his own.

yeah, when I'm your idea of a "delusional far righties", we know you're out of your gourd.
So, too, is calling Bush my "hero".

And I've made quite clear above, you have fundamentally misstated facts, yet again. You are prone to enormous hyperbolic flights of rhetoric, ignoring the actual facts in the process.

The shame of that is that you often have kernels of truth in your views that get obscured when you go so far off the rails.

For instance, we've previously discussed Ben Ferencz's views, which indeed skewed extremely emotional on the subject of the Iraq War. As I think he deserves considerable respect for his ideological peace activism, I won't cast any aspersions on his motivations. His judgement, however, I disagree with... respectfully.

And BTW, talking about suicide so lightly ain't ever cool to do. You're acting like Essex with that one.

I have no idea what you mean by mysticism in this context, so I can't tell if that's actually an insult, though I presume that's what you intend.

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:45 pm Uh … respectfully, I don’t think MDlf76 can be characterized as a delusional far righty and I certainly don’t believe his posts are based on “emotional mysticism” (although that aptly describes my relationship with a former girlfriend in law school ).

DocBarrister

Ok. So long as you don't deny that certain of them who may be so inclined defend each other.