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Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:16 am
by old salt
cradleandshoot wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 7:37 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:43 am
Kismet wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:07 pm
old salt wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:55 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:15 pm Salty, what think you on this?
24 years in National Guard, small town raised, hunter, school teacher and football coach, won in a formerly Republican district, 12 years as a "work horse not show horse" in Congress working across lines, two time governor with over 60% approval rating...yeah, a progressive.
I agree with all that's been said about rising to the rank of Command Sergeant Major.
I'll point out that rising in the ranks of a state NG is highly influenced by state politics.
That's not a knock on Walz, rather a nod to his obvious political skills & likability.
I also like the fact that he was a HS FB Coach, social studies (history) teacher, & is a dog lover.
If I knew him personally, I'd probably consider him a good friend I could argue with, good naturedly, about policies.
He did not distinguish himself in dealing with the BLM riots. If any Governor knew when to call out the NG, it should have been him.
If he were at the top of the ticket you'd still never vote for him a a million years

Cheap shot at the Command Sergeant Major - especially galling from a military man such as yourself - denigrating the National Guard simultaneously.

The usual troll garbage from you - take a bow. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
:shock: What is the cheap shot ? That's just a fact about the NG. They have a different chain of command than the active duty forces.
They only compete for promotion with fellow members of their state NG. A much smaller competitive pool than the entire active duty Army.
In the NG it's easier to be known throughout the state NG force than throughout the entire Army for active duty members. In some ways, that's a good thing. It's harder for a marginal performer to slip by. It was a compliment to Walz. To be an effective CSM, it helps to be politically adept & able to communicate with all levels of the chain of command. Walz served for 24 years & came up through the ranks based on his performance.

I recall you denigrating GW Bush for getting a fighter pilot slot in the TX ANG based on political connections, even though he completed flight training & served honorably. That's just an example of how politics can influence personnel decisions in the NG. Stick to topics you have experience with or know something about.

I never said I'd vote for Walz for President. I think his policies are WEIRD. I'm still favorably impressed by his personal story, resume, persona & sense of humor. Unlike you, I can still like people whom I disagree with politically & would not vote for.
Throughout my 3 years in the 82nd Airborne we always chided the National Guard as " week end warriors" . There is a world of difference between regular army and national guard. The 82nd Airborne only had one CSM who was in charge of 3 very elite brigades. I have no idea in the Minnesota NG how their CoC decides on promotion to top leadership NCO positions. Normally that includes completion of a number of NCO leadership schools. His rise to CSM came via one of 2 paths. He was either an outstanding NCO whose artillery batteries performed at a very high level, or he was someones favorite. Whichever path he took he earned his promotion in the eyes of the US Army. Nobody can take that away from him. The one thing about his career that bothers me is this. When his artillery unit was on the cusp of a combat deployment to Iraq he decided it was time to call it a career. That was his prerogative. It does pose IMO a legitimate question. What was his reason for leaving his soldiers without their senior ranking NCO? They were getting ready to deploy on a front line combat assignment? At face value that appears odd to me. Did he reach a point where a promising political career was more important than risking his life. There are some members of his former unit that question his decision to leave when he did.
Walz was never permanently promoted to the rank of CSM because he did not complete the required course for permanent promotion.
He was temporarily promoted & served in a CSM assignment for 2 years before he retired as a Sergeant Major for pay & benefits purposes.
In the Navy, it's called being "frocked" to the next higher rank, after selection for promotion until, until a slot opens on the rolls.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
by Kismet
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:05 am You never heard that before ? That's hardly an original line.
I didn't say it was original. As usual, you can't read anything without supplying YOUR opinion. May explain why so many people here give you the sh!t you deserve for your typical condescending tripe. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
by old salt
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:05 am You never heard that before ? That's hardly an original line.
I didn't say it was original. As usual, you can't read anything without supplying YOUR opinion. May explain why so many people here give you the sh!t you deserve for your typical condescending tripe. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rabbit ears. That's why I asked the ?

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:23 am
by Kismet
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:05 am You never heard that before ? That's hardly an original line.
I didn't say it was original. As usual, you can't read anything without supplying YOUR opinion. May explain why so many people here give you the sh!t you deserve for your typical condescending tripe. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rabbit ears. That's why I asked the ?
Keeping trying to justify your a-hole tendencies - may explain why you like the penultimate a-hole - Orange Fatso. :oops:

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:26 am
by old salt
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:23 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:05 am You never heard that before ? That's hardly an original line.
I didn't say it was original. As usual, you can't read anything without supplying YOUR opinion. May explain why so many people here give you the sh!t you deserve for your typical condescending tripe. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rabbit ears. That's why I asked the ?
Keeping trying to justify your a-hole tendencies - may explain why you like the penultimate a-hole - Orange Fatso. :oops:
You poor baby. Don't holler 'til you're hurt. :cry:

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:28 am
by njbill
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:05 am You never heard that before ? That's hardly an original line.
I first heard the line in a Warren Zevon song (I’ll Sleep When I’m Dead) from his 1976 album. Looking it up, I see others are said to have said similar things even before that, including Ben Franklin.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:32 am
by old salt
njbill wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:28 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:05 am You never heard that before ? That's hardly an original line.
I first heard the line in a Warren Zevon song (I’ll Sleep When I’m Dead) from his 1976 album. Looking it up, I see others are said to have said similar things even before that, including Ben Franklin.
It was used often in the Navy during high temp ops, 3 or 4 section underway watch, or port & starboard General Quarters watch.
When a couple hours sleep took preference over the evening movie on the mess deck or in the wardroom.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:45 am
by MDlaxfan76
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:15 am
a fan wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:15 pm
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:43 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:55 pm
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:51 pm https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis ... /600850577

Plus: Women's reproductive autonomy/health. K-12 meals.
Minus: Decide for yourself.
Skeleton: Old DWI arrest with perjury about being "deaf". Doing 95 in 55 zone. Failed field sobriety test and test in hospital. Sweetheart plea reduces charges to reckless driving. He was a high school teacher at the time. No excuses work for me. None. I have zero tolerance for America's lack of interest in addressing it's DWI epidemic/crisis (especially when the numbers of innocent victims killed by DWI violence averages 5,000/year in America, while the number of innocent victims killed by all rifles averages ~500/year in America). Another 8,000 DWI deaths (on top of that 5,000) are the drunk drivers who kill themselves.
Killed by "all rifles". That's quite the new statistical subcategory you've made up, my man. ;)
Straight from our government, my man. "All rifles" = Shotguns, bolt-action, semi-automatic. You're clever, search engine the classification. Hint: three letter agency. Fact: of homicide in America by all means (knives, fists/feet, bats, hammers, handguns, all rifles) year in and year out, the "all rifles" category usually clocks in at ~500 per year out of ~20k. :roll:
:lol: So....intentionally omit handguns, and hope no one notices? Come on, man.

And it was 40K gun deaths last year, btw.

You can make your points here without the absurd spin. NO ONE here wants to take away your guns, my man.
Let's try to unpack this granularly, and we can take any needed additional discussions over to Sensible Guns.

1) Walz named as VP choice.
2) I dislike his DWI arrest and circumstances.
3) As more of an aside than anything else, I point out that innocent Americans are murdered at a rate 10x that of - and I use "all rifles" category our government uses which encompasses "assault weapons" - to basically say "wow, with all the enmity for assault weapons, one would wonder why not 10x the enmity for drunk driving?" Where are calls for every single vehicle in America to have a breathalyzer lockout? You blow below - or you don't go! All of us. It would save 10x the innocent lives as those killed by all rifles, including "assault weapons". Where is the the bipartisan bill to get that done?
4) Let's not forget Walz is an "assault weapons" ban proponent. Hypocrite much, Tim?
5) You jump in with a "all rifle" observation.
6) I provide the category is one our government reports use, and reiterate the small % of "all rifles" every year in overall murder.
7) You suggest I'm avoiding addressing handguns. Not avoiding: see 3) above for what I initially brought up and why. Let's have our handgun fun over on Sensible.
8) Enter into the conversation the CDC conflated gun deaths numbers padded by suicide (as gun violence). We can take that to the Sensible thread, and talk about suicide not being a crime, and question why the 45% of suicides of males and the predominant method of suicide for females in America are by Rope, Pills, Gravity, Razors, Suffocation. We can then ask why there isn't Rope Violence, Gravity Violence, Pill Violence...etc. And go round and round. And we can ask about why the CDC quietly stopped reporting on Defensive Gun Uses a few years ago under pressure from those who's narrative was being undermined by those inconvenient truths. Great. See you on Sensible.

In terms of MADD posed by another poster above, that organization should indeed have something to say about Walz DWI and the subsequent shady claims & plea. And here's a ridiculous aside spin to enjoy with your morning coffee: Folks here ever ask themselves why MADD has never blamed Ford, Chevy, GMC or Mercedes for the actions of human beings who commit the crime of vehicular murder? Remember, it is occurring at a rate of 10x compared to "all rifles", year in and year out. In furtherance of America's unwillingness to take on this massive public health scourge we have this from Monday:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/05/well ... 1799cc302c

Semantics, heuristics, gymnastics, absurd spin. Whatever.

Please resume this thread with apologies for pointing out two things vis-a-vis Walz: how much I loathe DWI (and I have good reason), and how much I loathe our leader's obsessive fixation on something that kills 1/10th the number of innocent victims as DWI violence does. We don't need to get into the rest of my "Where's the outrage?" hypocrisy greatest hits list I've posted and pondered about numerous times on the Sensible thread.

So, yeah, Walz as a DWI arrested hypocrite leaning in on AWB's can kiss my...

And you fine folks, who I do appreciate in the majority and the aggregate, have a lovely day.
well, that was predictable, but I wanted to at least give you a chance.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:50 am
by Kismet
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:26 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:23 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:05 am You never heard that before ? That's hardly an original line.
I didn't say it was original. As usual, you can't read anything without supplying YOUR opinion. May explain why so many people here give you the sh!t you deserve for your typical condescending tripe. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rabbit ears. That's why I asked the ?
Keeping trying to justify your a-hole tendencies - may explain why you like the penultimate a-hole - Orange Fatso. :oops:
You poor baby. Don't holler 'til you're hurt. :cry:
If the shoe fits, wear it a-hole. Otherwise have a good day :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

Vance is currently trying to swift boat Walz right now. How original. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:02 am
by old salt
Lying with crime stats.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/08/ ... l-mystery/

The Truth about the Crime Explosion

by JOHN R. LOTT JR., August 7, 2024

Misunderstanding what the crime statistics measure and hiding the rise in crime
‘The false message of the RNC was that [illegal immigration] was leading to an increase in crime,” Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg claimed on Fox News Sunday. “If you look this up at home, you will know that crime went down under Biden and crime went up under Trump. Why would America want to go back to the higher crime we experienced under Donald Trump?”

A Gallup survey last November showed that 92 percent of Republicans and even 58 percent of Democrats believed that crime was rising. In a series of surveys from March last year to April this year, Rasmussen Reports finds a remarkably constant percentage of Americans who believe that violent crime is getting worse — 60 percent to 61 percent. Roughly four times as many people think violent crime is rising rather than getting better.

News outlets keep claiming that Americans are wrong to believe that crime is rising. But Americans aren’t mistaken.
If you defund the police so arrest rates plummet and people give up reporting crime, then crime statistics can look good even as chaos ensues.
Americans in many parts of the country see that products at CVS or Walgreens stores are behind glass, that they must call a clerk to unlock the glass and then wait while reading and examining the different packages. People know this is costly and something other than what the companies would prefer to do, but they have no choice. Americans also know that things were not like this a few years ago.

Property crime isn’t the only type of crime that is increasing. Violent crime has also gone up.
Those who say crime is falling rely on the FBI’s National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS). But the problem is that the FBI data only count crime that is reported to police, not total crime, and even then, the FBI does a poor job of measuring reported crime.

There are two measures of crime. The FBI’s NIBRS counts the number of crimes reported to police each year, but the Bureau of Justice Statistics uses its National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) to ask about 240,000 people each year whether they have been victims of crime. Since 2020, these two measures have been highly negatively correlated. The FBI has been finding fewer instances of crime, but people are simultaneously answering in greater numbers that they have been victims.

There are several reasons for this difference, but a simple one is that law enforcement has collapsed. If people think criminals won’t be caught and punished, they are less likely to report crime to the police. Using the FBI data, if you compare the five years preceding Covid-19 with 2022, the percentage of urban reported violent crimes resulting in an arrest fell from 44 percent to 35 percent. And among cities with more than 1 million people (where most reported violent crime occurs), arrest rates plunged by more than half, from 44 percent to 20 percent. There has never been a similar drop in FBI data.

Criminals face few risks when committing crime. In 2022, in cities with more than a million people, only 8 percent of all violent crimes (reported and unreported) and 1 percent of all property crimes resulted in an arrest. Of course, not all those arrests resulted in charges, let alone prosecutions or convictions.

In large cities, the arrest rate in 2022, compared with the average from 2015 to 2019, fell by 38 percent for murders, 50 percent for rapes, 55 percent for aggravated assault, and 58 percent for robberies. As police budgets were cut and a large number of police retired, police concentrated their limited resources on the most serious crimes, particularly murder.

As mentioned above, since 2020, the numbers for FBI’s reported crimes and the NCVS’s total (reported and unreported) crimes have gone in opposite directions. For instance, in 2022, the FBI reported a 2.1 percent drop in violent crime, but the NCVS showed an alarming increase of 42.4 percent — the largest one-year percentage increase in violent crime ever reported by the NCVS. The increase in 2022 over 2020 is slightly greater.

It is puzzling enough that reported and total crime measures don’t match. But a more fundamental problem exists for those relying on the FBI data. The FBI’s and NCVS’s reported crime estimates have also gone in opposite directions since 2020. From 2008 to 2019, the FBI and NCVS measures of reported violent crimes generally tended to move up and down together. But from 2020 to 2022, these two numbers were almost perfectly negatively correlated to each other (-0.9599). Each time one measure of reported violent crimes rose, the other measure fell.

While the FBI’s number of reported violent crimes fell by 2 percent in 2021 and 2.1 percent in 2022, the NCVS’s measure showed increases of 13.6 percent and 29.3 percent, respectively. When even these two measures of the same thing — reported crime — are going in opposite directions, there are real concerns about the FBI data.

A frequently discussed concern with the FBI data and a possible explanation for part of the discrepancies is the decline in the number of crimes reported by police departments after a new reporting system was introduced in 2021. In 2022, 31 percent of police departments nationwide, including in Los Angeles and New York, didn’t report crime data to the FBI. Another 24 percent of departments only partially reported data. So fewer than half of police departments reported complete data in 2022. That is better than 2021 but still much worse than the 97 percent of agencies covering most of the U.S. reported in 2020. In addition, in cities from Baltimore to Nashville, the FBI is undercounting crimes those jurisdictions reported.

Still other problems exist. The downgrading of crimes by police departments can also explain the drop in the FBI numbers. Classifying an aggravated assault as a simple assault means that it will be excluded from FBI violent-crime data, which doesn’t include simple assaults. The difference often involves whether the criminal used a weapon in committing an assault, but many radically left-leaning DAs are refusing to include weapons charges against defendants. That could explain the difference between the two measures of reported crime, because the NCVS will ask victims whether the assault involved a weapon, even if the police reports ignore that characteristic of the crime.

Progressive district attorneys nationwide, from New York to Chicago to Los Angeles, are downgrading felonies to misdemeanors. Recent numbers show that Manhattan’s progressive DA downgraded felonies to lesser charges 60 percent of the time; and, of that 60 percent, 89 percent were downgraded to misdemeanors. That isn’t a new problem. In the past, Chicago has intentionally misclassified murders, instead labeling them as subject to noncriminal “death investigations.” However, the problem may be increasing, and police may also be responding to the decisions of prosecutors.

Over the past few years, as the number of police has fallen because of cuts in budgets and a slew of retirements, police departments nationwide from Charlottesville and Henrico County, Va., to Chicago to Olympia, Wash., stopped responding to nonemergency 911 calls. Instead of police coming out, people can still go to the police station. There is the possibility that people think that calling 911 reports a crime, but a crime officially counts only once police make out a report.

Much is made of the drop in murder rates over the past few years. Murder rates dropped by 13 percent in 2023, though the preliminary 2023 murder rate is still 7 percent above 2019 levels. The NCVS doesn’t survey its respondents about murder, but the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has a measure that doesn’t match up with the FBI data. While the FBI shows murder peaking in 2020 and dropping in 2021 and 2022, the CDC shows it peaking in 2021 and higher in 2022 than in 2020 (2022 is the latest year that the CDC data are available).

Inevitably, the crime statistics have become a campaign issue, with the Trump campaign highlighting the NCVS data while “fact-checkers” either ignore the NCVS data or assert that the FBI NIBRS data are more believable.

But those who want to use the FBI NIBRS data face a puzzle. If the FBI data show that arrest rates are crashing, why is reported crime falling? The drop in arrest rates makes much more sense with rising crime rates. People also say that they are reporting more crimes to the police, but that isn’t showing up in the FBI reports. The fact that the FBI data are inconsistent with both the Bureau of Justice Statistics and CDC data should also raise concerns.

Even if the media want to rely solely on the FBI, they must acknowledge the plummeting arrest rates.

It’s baffling why anyone would want to look at only reported crimes rather than total (reported and unreported) crimes when we know that victims don’t report most crimes to the police.

There is a crime emergency in our country, and misleadingly using statistics to cover it up, as Mayor Pete does, endangers us all.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:22 am
by DMac
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:15 am
a fan wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:15 pm
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:43 pm
a fan wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:55 pm
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:51 pm https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis ... /600850577

Plus: Women's reproductive autonomy/health. K-12 meals.
Minus: Decide for yourself.
Skeleton: Old DWI arrest with perjury about being "deaf". Doing 95 in 55 zone. Failed field sobriety test and test in hospital. Sweetheart plea reduces charges to reckless driving. He was a high school teacher at the time. No excuses work for me. None. I have zero tolerance for America's lack of interest in addressing it's DWI epidemic/crisis (especially when the numbers of innocent victims killed by DWI violence averages 5,000/year in America, while the number of innocent victims killed by all rifles averages ~500/year in America). Another 8,000 DWI deaths (on top of that 5,000) are the drunk drivers who kill themselves.
Killed by "all rifles". That's quite the new statistical subcategory you've made up, my man. ;)
Straight from our government, my man. "All rifles" = Shotguns, bolt-action, semi-automatic. You're clever, search engine the classification. Hint: three letter agency. Fact: of homicide in America by all means (knives, fists/feet, bats, hammers, handguns, all rifles) year in and year out, the "all rifles" category usually clocks in at ~500 per year out of ~20k. :roll:
:lol: So....intentionally omit handguns, and hope no one notices? Come on, man.

And it was 40K gun deaths last year, btw.

You can make your points here without the absurd spin. NO ONE here wants to take away your guns, my man.
Let's try to unpack this granularly, and we can take any needed additional discussions over to Sensible Guns.

1) Walz named as VP choice.
2) I dislike his DWI arrest and circumstances.
Okay, does this define who he is forevermore? Should he wear a DWI necklace, vis-a-vi the Scarlet Letter, for the rest of his life?
3) As more of an aside than anything else, I point out that innocent Americans are murdered at a rate 10x that of - and I use "all rifles" category our government uses which encompasses "assault weapons" - to basically say "wow, with all the enmity for assault weapons, one would wonder why not 10x the enmity for drunk driving?" Where are calls for every single vehicle in America to have a breathalyzer lockout? You blow below - or you don't go! All of us. Nonsense. You willing to pay for that feature on your new car? While a minority, there are quite a number of non drinkers across the USofA, they should have to pay one of these too? It would save 10x the innocent lives as those killed by all rifles, including "assault weapons". Where is the the bipartisan bill to get that done?
4) Let's not forget Walz is an "assault weapons" ban proponent. Hypocrite much, Tim?
5) You jump in with a "all rifle" observation.
6) I provide the category is one our government reports use, and reiterate the small % of "all rifles" every year in overall murder.
7) You suggest I'm avoiding addressing handguns. Not avoiding: see 3) above for what I initially brought up and why. Let's have our handgun fun over on Sensible.
8) Enter into the conversation the CDC conflated gun deaths numbers padded by suicide (as gun violence). We can take that to the Sensible thread, and talk about suicide not being a crime, and question why the 45% of suicides of males and the predominant method of suicide for females in America are by Rope, Pills, Gravity, Razors, Suffocation. We can then ask why there isn't Rope Violence, Gravity Violence, Pill Violence...etc. And go round and round. And we can ask about why the CDC quietly stopped reporting on Defensive Gun Uses a few years ago under pressure from those who's narrative was being undermined by those inconvenient truths. Great. See you on Sensible.

In terms of MADD posed by another poster above, that organization should indeed have something to say about Walz DWI and the subsequent shady claims & plea. And here's a ridiculous aside spin to enjoy with your morning coffee: Folks here ever ask themselves why MADD has never blamed Ford, Chevy, GMC or Mercedes for the actions of human beings who commit the crime of vehicular murder? No, never gave it much thought,because...well, because vehicles aren't made to kill. Remember, it is occurring at a rate of 10x compared to "all rifles", year in and year out. In furtherance of America's unwillingness to take on this massive public health scourge we have this from Monday:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/05/well ... 1799cc302c

Semantics, heuristics, gymnastics, absurd spin. Whatever.

Please resume this thread with apologies for pointing out two things vis-a-vis Walz: how much I loathe DWI (and I have good reason), and how much I loathe our leader's obsessive fixation on something that kills 1/10th the number of innocent victims as DWI violence does. We don't need to get into the rest of my "Where's the outrage?" hypocrisy greatest hits list I've posted and pondered about numerous times on the Sensible thread.

So, yeah, Walz as a DWI arrested hypocrite leaning in on AWB's can kiss my...
That's right, 2A baby. Anything and everything the militia needs to kill is completely justifiable (to you and the 2A abusers crowd).
You need to do a background check on the people you associate with and do business with as I'd bet more than one . of them has had a DWI/DUI. You need to write those people off as that's their defining moment.

And you fine folks, who I do appreciate in the majority and the aggregate, have a lovely day.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:22 am
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:02 am Lying with crime stats.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/08/ ... l-mystery/

The Truth about the Crime Explosion

by JOHN R. LOTT JR., August 7, 2024

Misunderstanding what the crime statistics measure and hiding the rise in crime
‘The false message of the RNC was that [illegal immigration] was leading to an increase in crime,” Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg claimed on Fox News Sunday. “If you look this up at home, you will know that crime went down under Biden and crime went up under Trump. Why would America want to go back to the higher crime we experienced under Donald Trump?”

A Gallup survey last November showed that 92 percent of Republicans and even 58 percent of Democrats believed that crime was rising. In a series of surveys from March last year to April this year, Rasmussen Reports finds a remarkably constant percentage of Americans who believe that violent crime is getting worse — 60 percent to 61 percent. Roughly four times as many people think violent crime is rising rather than getting better.

News outlets keep claiming that Americans are wrong to believe that crime is rising. But Americans aren’t mistaken.
If you defund the police so arrest rates plummet and people give up reporting crime, then crime statistics can look good even as chaos ensues.
Americans in many parts of the country see that products at CVS or Walgreens stores are behind glass, that they must call a clerk to unlock the glass and then wait while reading and examining the different packages. People know this is costly and something other than what the companies would prefer to do, but they have no choice. Americans also know that things were not like this a few years ago.

Property crime isn’t the only type of crime that is increasing. Violent crime has also gone up.
Those who say crime is falling rely on the FBI’s National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS). But the problem is that the FBI data only count crime that is reported to police, not total crime, and even then, the FBI does a poor job of measuring reported crime.

There are two measures of crime. The FBI’s NIBRS counts the number of crimes reported to police each year, but the Bureau of Justice Statistics uses its National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) to ask about 240,000 people each year whether they have been victims of crime. Since 2020, these two measures have been highly negatively correlated. The FBI has been finding fewer instances of crime, but people are simultaneously answering in greater numbers that they have been victims.

There are several reasons for this difference, but a simple one is that law enforcement has collapsed. If people think criminals won’t be caught and punished, they are less likely to report crime to the police. Using the FBI data, if you compare the five years preceding Covid-19 with 2022, the percentage of urban reported violent crimes resulting in an arrest fell from 44 percent to 35 percent. And among cities with more than 1 million people (where most reported violent crime occurs), arrest rates plunged by more than half, from 44 percent to 20 percent. There has never been a similar drop in FBI data.

Criminals face few risks when committing crime. In 2022, in cities with more than a million people, only 8 percent of all violent crimes (reported and unreported) and 1 percent of all property crimes resulted in an arrest. Of course, not all those arrests resulted in charges, let alone prosecutions or convictions.

In large cities, the arrest rate in 2022, compared with the average from 2015 to 2019, fell by 38 percent for murders, 50 percent for rapes, 55 percent for aggravated assault, and 58 percent for robberies. As police budgets were cut and a large number of police retired, police concentrated their limited resources on the most serious crimes, particularly murder.

As mentioned above, since 2020, the numbers for FBI’s reported crimes and the NCVS’s total (reported and unreported) crimes have gone in opposite directions. For instance, in 2022, the FBI reported a 2.1 percent drop in violent crime, but the NCVS showed an alarming increase of 42.4 percent — the largest one-year percentage increase in violent crime ever reported by the NCVS. The increase in 2022 over 2020 is slightly greater.

It is puzzling enough that reported and total crime measures don’t match. But a more fundamental problem exists for those relying on the FBI data. The FBI’s and NCVS’s reported crime estimates have also gone in opposite directions since 2020. From 2008 to 2019, the FBI and NCVS measures of reported violent crimes generally tended to move up and down together. But from 2020 to 2022, these two numbers were almost perfectly negatively correlated to each other (-0.9599). Each time one measure of reported violent crimes rose, the other measure fell.

While the FBI’s number of reported violent crimes fell by 2 percent in 2021 and 2.1 percent in 2022, the NCVS’s measure showed increases of 13.6 percent and 29.3 percent, respectively. When even these two measures of the same thing — reported crime — are going in opposite directions, there are real concerns about the FBI data.

A frequently discussed concern with the FBI data and a possible explanation for part of the discrepancies is the decline in the number of crimes reported by police departments after a new reporting system was introduced in 2021. In 2022, 31 percent of police departments nationwide, including in Los Angeles and New York, didn’t report crime data to the FBI. Another 24 percent of departments only partially reported data. So fewer than half of police departments reported complete data in 2022. That is better than 2021 but still much worse than the 97 percent of agencies covering most of the U.S. reported in 2020. In addition, in cities from Baltimore to Nashville, the FBI is undercounting crimes those jurisdictions reported.

Still other problems exist. The downgrading of crimes by police departments can also explain the drop in the FBI numbers. Classifying an aggravated assault as a simple assault means that it will be excluded from FBI violent-crime data, which doesn’t include simple assaults. The difference often involves whether the criminal used a weapon in committing an assault, but many radically left-leaning DAs are refusing to include weapons charges against defendants. That could explain the difference between the two measures of reported crime, because the NCVS will ask victims whether the assault involved a weapon, even if the police reports ignore that characteristic of the crime.

Progressive district attorneys nationwide, from New York to Chicago to Los Angeles, are downgrading felonies to misdemeanors. Recent numbers show that Manhattan’s progressive DA downgraded felonies to lesser charges 60 percent of the time; and, of that 60 percent, 89 percent were downgraded to misdemeanors. That isn’t a new problem. In the past, Chicago has intentionally misclassified murders, instead labeling them as subject to noncriminal “death investigations.” However, the problem may be increasing, and police may also be responding to the decisions of prosecutors.

Over the past few years, as the number of police has fallen because of cuts in budgets and a slew of retirements, police departments nationwide from Charlottesville and Henrico County, Va., to Chicago to Olympia, Wash., stopped responding to nonemergency 911 calls. Instead of police coming out, people can still go to the police station. There is the possibility that people think that calling 911 reports a crime, but a crime officially counts only once police make out a report.

Much is made of the drop in murder rates over the past few years. Murder rates dropped by 13 percent in 2023, though the preliminary 2023 murder rate is still 7 percent above 2019 levels. The NCVS doesn’t survey its respondents about murder, but the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has a measure that doesn’t match up with the FBI data. While the FBI shows murder peaking in 2020 and dropping in 2021 and 2022, the CDC shows it peaking in 2021 and higher in 2022 than in 2020 (2022 is the latest year that the CDC data are available).

Inevitably, the crime statistics have become a campaign issue, with the Trump campaign highlighting the NCVS data while “fact-checkers” either ignore the NCVS data or assert that the FBI NIBRS data are more believable.

But those who want to use the FBI NIBRS data face a puzzle. If the FBI data show that arrest rates are crashing, why is reported crime falling? The drop in arrest rates makes much more sense with rising crime rates. People also say that they are reporting more crimes to the police, but that isn’t showing up in the FBI reports. The fact that the FBI data are inconsistent with both the Bureau of Justice Statistics and CDC data should also raise concerns.

Even if the media want to rely solely on the FBI, they must acknowledge the plummeting arrest rates.

It’s baffling why anyone would want to look at only reported crimes rather than total (reported and unreported) crimes when we know that victims don’t report most crimes to the police.

There is a crime emergency in our country, and misleadingly using statistics to cover it up, as Mayor Pete does, endangers us all.
I don’t believe the National Review. I believe these people:

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/05/walgree ... erns.htmlb

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroelof ... than-1000/

Black people stealing have tanked stocks and forced bankruptcies. That’s why these stores are closing. Ask C&S.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:35 am
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:02 am Lying with crime stats.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/08/ ... l-mystery/

The Truth about the Crime Explosion

by JOHN R. LOTT JR., August 7, 2024

Misunderstanding what the crime statistics measure and hiding the rise in crime
‘The false message of the RNC was that [illegal immigration] was leading to an increase in crime,” Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg claimed on Fox News Sunday. “If you look this up at home, you will know that crime went down under Biden and crime went up under Trump. Why would America want to go back to the higher crime we experienced under Donald Trump?”

A Gallup survey last November showed that 92 percent of Republicans and even 58 percent of Democrats believed that crime was rising. In a series of surveys from March last year to April this year, Rasmussen Reports finds a remarkably constant percentage of Americans who believe that violent crime is getting worse — 60 percent to 61 percent. Roughly four times as many people think violent crime is rising rather than getting better.

News outlets keep claiming that Americans are wrong to believe that crime is rising. But Americans aren’t mistaken.
If you defund the police so arrest rates plummet and people give up reporting crime, then crime statistics can look good even as chaos ensues.
Americans in many parts of the country see that products at CVS or Walgreens stores are behind glass, that they must call a clerk to unlock the glass and then wait while reading and examining the different packages. People know this is costly and something other than what the companies would prefer to do, but they have no choice. Americans also know that things were not like this a few years ago.

Property crime isn’t the only type of crime that is increasing. Violent crime has also gone up.
Those who say crime is falling rely on the FBI’s National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS). But the problem is that the FBI data only count crime that is reported to police, not total crime, and even then, the FBI does a poor job of measuring reported crime.

There are two measures of crime. The FBI’s NIBRS counts the number of crimes reported to police each year, but the Bureau of Justice Statistics uses its National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) to ask about 240,000 people each year whether they have been victims of crime. Since 2020, these two measures have been highly negatively correlated. The FBI has been finding fewer instances of crime, but people are simultaneously answering in greater numbers that they have been victims.

There are several reasons for this difference, but a simple one is that law enforcement has collapsed. If people think criminals won’t be caught and punished, they are less likely to report crime to the police. Using the FBI data, if you compare the five years preceding Covid-19 with 2022, the percentage of urban reported violent crimes resulting in an arrest fell from 44 percent to 35 percent. And among cities with more than 1 million people (where most reported violent crime occurs), arrest rates plunged by more than half, from 44 percent to 20 percent. There has never been a similar drop in FBI data.

Criminals face few risks when committing crime. In 2022, in cities with more than a million people, only 8 percent of all violent crimes (reported and unreported) and 1 percent of all property crimes resulted in an arrest. Of course, not all those arrests resulted in charges, let alone prosecutions or convictions.

In large cities, the arrest rate in 2022, compared with the average from 2015 to 2019, fell by 38 percent for murders, 50 percent for rapes, 55 percent for aggravated assault, and 58 percent for robberies. As police budgets were cut and a large number of police retired, police concentrated their limited resources on the most serious crimes, particularly murder.

As mentioned above, since 2020, the numbers for FBI’s reported crimes and the NCVS’s total (reported and unreported) crimes have gone in opposite directions. For instance, in 2022, the FBI reported a 2.1 percent drop in violent crime, but the NCVS showed an alarming increase of 42.4 percent — the largest one-year percentage increase in violent crime ever reported by the NCVS. The increase in 2022 over 2020 is slightly greater.

It is puzzling enough that reported and total crime measures don’t match. But a more fundamental problem exists for those relying on the FBI data. The FBI’s and NCVS’s reported crime estimates have also gone in opposite directions since 2020. From 2008 to 2019, the FBI and NCVS measures of reported violent crimes generally tended to move up and down together. But from 2020 to 2022, these two numbers were almost perfectly negatively correlated to each other (-0.9599). Each time one measure of reported violent crimes rose, the other measure fell.

While the FBI’s number of reported violent crimes fell by 2 percent in 2021 and 2.1 percent in 2022, the NCVS’s measure showed increases of 13.6 percent and 29.3 percent, respectively. When even these two measures of the same thing — reported crime — are going in opposite directions, there are real concerns about the FBI data.

A frequently discussed concern with the FBI data and a possible explanation for part of the discrepancies is the decline in the number of crimes reported by police departments after a new reporting system was introduced in 2021. In 2022, 31 percent of police departments nationwide, including in Los Angeles and New York, didn’t report crime data to the FBI. Another 24 percent of departments only partially reported data. So fewer than half of police departments reported complete data in 2022. That is better than 2021 but still much worse than the 97 percent of agencies covering most of the U.S. reported in 2020. In addition, in cities from Baltimore to Nashville, the FBI is undercounting crimes those jurisdictions reported.

Still other problems exist. The downgrading of crimes by police departments can also explain the drop in the FBI numbers. Classifying an aggravated assault as a simple assault means that it will be excluded from FBI violent-crime data, which doesn’t include simple assaults. The difference often involves whether the criminal used a weapon in committing an assault, but many radically left-leaning DAs are refusing to include weapons charges against defendants. That could explain the difference between the two measures of reported crime, because the NCVS will ask victims whether the assault involved a weapon, even if the police reports ignore that characteristic of the crime.

Progressive district attorneys nationwide, from New York to Chicago to Los Angeles, are downgrading felonies to misdemeanors. Recent numbers show that Manhattan’s progressive DA downgraded felonies to lesser charges 60 percent of the time; and, of that 60 percent, 89 percent were downgraded to misdemeanors. That isn’t a new problem. In the past, Chicago has intentionally misclassified murders, instead labeling them as subject to noncriminal “death investigations.” However, the problem may be increasing, and police may also be responding to the decisions of prosecutors.

Over the past few years, as the number of police has fallen because of cuts in budgets and a slew of retirements, police departments nationwide from Charlottesville and Henrico County, Va., to Chicago to Olympia, Wash., stopped responding to nonemergency 911 calls. Instead of police coming out, people can still go to the police station. There is the possibility that people think that calling 911 reports a crime, but a crime officially counts only once police make out a report.

Much is made of the drop in murder rates over the past few years. Murder rates dropped by 13 percent in 2023, though the preliminary 2023 murder rate is still 7 percent above 2019 levels. The NCVS doesn’t survey its respondents about murder, but the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has a measure that doesn’t match up with the FBI data. While the FBI shows murder peaking in 2020 and dropping in 2021 and 2022, the CDC shows it peaking in 2021 and higher in 2022 than in 2020 (2022 is the latest year that the CDC data are available).

Inevitably, the crime statistics have become a campaign issue, with the Trump campaign highlighting the NCVS data while “fact-checkers” either ignore the NCVS data or assert that the FBI NIBRS data are more believable.

But those who want to use the FBI NIBRS data face a puzzle. If the FBI data show that arrest rates are crashing, why is reported crime falling? The drop in arrest rates makes much more sense with rising crime rates. People also say that they are reporting more crimes to the police, but that isn’t showing up in the FBI reports. The fact that the FBI data are inconsistent with both the Bureau of Justice Statistics and CDC data should also raise concerns.

Even if the media want to rely solely on the FBI, they must acknowledge the plummeting arrest rates.

It’s baffling why anyone would want to look at only reported crimes rather than total (reported and unreported) crimes when we know that victims don’t report most crimes to the police.

There is a crime emergency in our country, and misleadingly using statistics to cover it up, as Mayor Pete does, endangers us all.
Hang on, this cat has many, many times been proven to be a right wing charlatan. He's a super Trumpy election denier who has made a career of being a far right extremist under the guise of "research and statistics".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott

Pretty clear who is "lying" and it ain't Buttigieg nor the FBI.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:30 am
by old salt
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:50 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:26 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:23 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:05 am You never heard that before ? That's hardly an original line.
I didn't say it was original. As usual, you can't read anything without supplying YOUR opinion. May explain why so many people here give you the sh!t you deserve for your typical condescending tripe. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rabbit ears. That's why I asked the ?
Keeping trying to justify your a-hole tendencies - may explain why you like the penultimate a-hole - Orange Fatso. :oops:
You poor baby. Don't holler 'til you're hurt. :cry:
If the shoe fits, wear it a-hole. Otherwise have a good day :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
I don't attack without provocation. I hit back.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:36 am
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:30 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:50 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:26 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:23 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
Kismet wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:17 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:05 am You never heard that before ? That's hardly an original line.
I didn't say it was original. As usual, you can't read anything without supplying YOUR opinion. May explain why so many people here give you the sh!t you deserve for your typical condescending tripe. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Rabbit ears. That's why I asked the ?
Keeping trying to justify your a-hole tendencies - may explain why you like the penultimate a-hole - Orange Fatso. :oops:
You poor baby. Don't holler 'til you're hurt. :cry:
If the shoe fits, wear it a-hole. Otherwise have a good day :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
I don't attack without provocation. I hit back.
You won’t be cowed.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:59 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:02 am Lying with crime stats.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/08/ ... l-mystery/

The Truth about the Crime Explosion

by JOHN R. LOTT JR., August 7, 2024

Misunderstanding what the crime statistics measure and hiding the rise in crime
‘The false message of the RNC was that [illegal immigration] was leading to an increase in crime,” Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg claimed on Fox News Sunday. “If you look this up at home, you will know that crime went down under Biden and crime went up under Trump. Why would America want to go back to the higher crime we experienced under Donald Trump?”

A Gallup survey last November showed that 92 percent of Republicans and even 58 percent of Democrats believed that crime was rising. In a series of surveys from March last year to April this year, Rasmussen Reports finds a remarkably constant percentage of Americans who believe that violent crime is getting worse — 60 percent to 61 percent. Roughly four times as many people think violent crime is rising rather than getting better.

News outlets keep claiming that Americans are wrong to believe that crime is rising. But Americans aren’t mistaken.
Let me translate this for those who aren't.....just gone.

FoxNation and Trump and Old Salt and the rest of the boomers living nowhere near cities have been banging on this "the world is burning down, and it's because the Dems are bad" for 12 years now. It's a Trump trope.

And naturally, because he has the magic letter R by his name, Old Salt and FoxNation buy everything Trump sells, and asks for more.

So as you can see here, National Review is upset that the statistics tell what's actually happening, and they don't like it because Trump isn't in the White House, because Old Salt and FoxNation thinks that President is in charge of local law enforcement. Because of course they do.

Naturally, they didn't bring up this stupid moving the goalposts game when Trump was in office. Because that ruins the game they are playing of "vote Trump, he'll make you safe".

Because they're too far gone to understand that all that happens is that when a R gets in the White House, they stop telling voters that "everything is burning down"....UNLESS they think they can pin it on the Dems in individual cities. Isn't that a neat game? So no matter what happens, or who is in the White House, it's the "Dems fault". Oh, and voting for Trump fixed crime. :roll:

It's all a bore. I'm sick of these stupid games. And the millisecond Trump is voted in, NationalReview will go back to these same crime numbers, and tell Old Salt and his crew that "crime is down because of Trump". Why anyone falls for this is beyond me......but here we are.

Don't believe me, Old Salt. Mark this post. And watch what happens when Trump gets elected, and Right wing Media runs articles claiming crime is down under Trump, citing the same stats that the NationalReview doesn't like.

Next time? Bring this up when Trump is in office, so it's not so transparently stoopidly partisan. FFS, look at the cities they name-checked while "coincidentally" omitting how bad crime is in Republican controlled cities and States. Waste of time, and I'm tired of this shT.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:59 am
by old salt
old salt wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:31 am
old salt wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 3:40 pm The TR carrier strike group was already in the Persian Gulf on a scheduled rotational deployment.
The Lincoln strike group was already scheduled to relieve them on station.
Ops normal. Not a big deal.
https://news.usni.org/2024/08/02/carrie ... nst-israel
UPDATE on our E Med/ME order of battle:

by my tally we now have 10 AEGIS missile equipped warships in the region. we appear to have Lebanon/Syria, Yemen, & Iran bracketed to protect Israel, our troops in Iraq/Syria, & our 2 capital ships deployed to the region.

2 destroyers out of Rota Sp in the E Med, off Israel, near the 3 ship Wasp Amphib Ready Group

2 destroyers out of Norfolk in the Red Sea to bracket Houthi launches from Yemen

1 cruiser + 5 destroyers out of US W coast & HI home ports, as part of the TR carrier strike group in the Gulf of Aden, positioned to intercept launches from Iran, with 2 of the destroyers to the S & W, in range to also intercept Houthi launches from E Yemen.

Still no word on which USAF fighter squadron is deploying & where.

No word yet on which air defense battery is being readied for deployment & destination.
Update :
2 destroyers + 3 ship Wasp amphib group still in the E Med

2 destroyers still in the Red Sea

1 destroyer still just inside the Persian Gulf

TR carrier strike group with 4 destroyers + 1 cruiser just outside Persian Gulf in the Gulf of Oman.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:05 pm
by old salt
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:35 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:02 am Lying with crime stats.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/08/ ... l-mystery/

The Truth about the Crime Explosion

by JOHN R. LOTT JR., August 7, 2024

Misunderstanding what the crime statistics measure and hiding the rise in crime
Hang on, this cat has many, many times been proven to be a right wing charlatan. He's a super Trumpy election denier who has made a career of being a far right extremist under the guise of "research and statistics".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott

Pretty clear who is "lying" and it ain't Buttigieg nor the FBI.
The National Review fact checks what they publish.
I trust them on this, even if you don't like this author.
NR has a larger readership than you do.

https://x.com/JohnRLottJr/status/1821198311552172471

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:16 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:05 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:35 am
old salt wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 10:02 am Lying with crime stats.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/08/ ... l-mystery/

The Truth about the Crime Explosion

by JOHN R. LOTT JR., August 7, 2024

Misunderstanding what the crime statistics measure and hiding the rise in crime
Hang on, this cat has many, many times been proven to be a right wing charlatan. He's a super Trumpy election denier who has made a career of being a far right extremist under the guise of "research and statistics".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott

Pretty clear who is "lying" and it ain't Buttigieg nor the FBI.
The National Review fact checks what they publish.
I trust them on this, even if you don't like this author.
NR has a larger readership than you do.
Seriously? "fact checks" ???

It's an opinion piece, not journalism.
It's all this proven liar's opinion, not even necessarily the Editorial Board's opinion (though that's very suspect as well).

I love the "NR has a larger readership than you do."
Sure, but wikipedia has a way larger readership than does NR.

And that's a challenge system, way, way, way more likely to be "fact checked" than NR's opinion pieces.

It's always very revealing that partisans (on either side or extreme) refuse to bother to look at the history of someone pandering to their basest bigotries. When someone has a history of lying, especially with the veneer of "research and statistics", their credibility when citing such should be hugely diminished. But partisans and extremists (and fools) are willing to give credibility only to what reinforces their ignorant bigotries.

And this "author" has a history of flaming lies.

But hey, keep spreading such BS. It works on lots of people.

Re: 2024

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:13 pm
by a fan
WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:15 am Let's try to unpack this granularly, and we can take any needed additional discussions over to Sensible Guns.

1) Walz named as VP choice.
2) I dislike his DWI arrest and circumstances.
3) As more of an aside than anything else, I point out that innocent Americans are murdered at a rate 10x that of - and I use "all rifles" category our government uses which encompasses "assault weapons" - to basically say "wow, with all the enmity for assault weapons, one would wonder why not 10x the enmity for drunk driving?"
Happy to answer, and you're not going to like where this ends.

Let's start here: what you're asking here is for rifles and drunk driving to be treated equally by our State and Federal Government.

Do I have that right?