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Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:41 pm
by wgdsr
try following the uni numbers if you're an osu fan.
liked the feathers on the helmet but the rest of that was meh. tiny logo. uni pretty blah.

a crime they don't break out the old school stickers, unis, gold gloves a couple times/year.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:49 pm
by HopFan16
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:21 pm

Did Hawley play at all?
I don't think so.

Wings looked like Delaney, Deans, Zinn, DiPietro for the most part.

I didn't see Jaronski either.

Not as much mix and matching as I would have expected. With the exception of McDermott getting a run or two, the midfield lines stayed pretty much the same the entire game.

No Szuluk, Smith, Glassmeyer, Martin, or Chauvette.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:52 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
HopFan16 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:49 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:21 pm

Did Hawley play at all?
I don't think so.

Wings looked like Delaney, Deans, Zinn, DiPietro for the most part.

I didn't see Jaronski either.

Not as much mix and matching as I would have expected. With the exception of McDermott getting a run or two, the midfield lines stayed pretty much the same the entire game.

No Szuluk, Smith, Glassmeyer, Martin, or Chauvette.
That guy competed on the wings. Actually one of the few bright spots last year IMO.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:20 pm
by runrussellrun
wgdsr wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:41 pm try following the uni numbers if you're an osu fan.
liked the feathers on the helmet but the rest of that was meh. tiny logo. uni pretty blah.

a crime they don't break out the old school stickers, unis, gold gloves a couple times/year.
those aren't feathers, but female colas ;)

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:27 pm
by jhu06
runrussellrun wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:20 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:41 pm try following the uni numbers if you're an osu fan.
liked the feathers on the helmet but the rest of that was meh. tiny logo. uni pretty blah.

a crime they don't break out the old school stickers, unis, gold gloves a couple times/year.
those aren't feathers, but female colas ;)
going into the last week in february we're polling ahead of yale, mostly healthy, no serious publicly announced lacrosse outbreaks, only 1 loss and tied with penn state in the conference standings.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:25 pm
by primitiveskills
Glassmeyer not playing was a surprise. Is he hurt?

In addition to Deso and Williams, Reinson and Shure looked good in what seems to be their natural positions.

Lack of fall practice and scrimmages will make it hard for freshman (other than Grimes) to contribute early. McDermott got a little run but doesn’t look ready. Assume that’s also true for Smith and the freshmen SSDMs.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:35 pm
by molo
Grimes played the entire game. Did he get a point? I saw one nice dodge. but he didn't finish the shot. Desimone was their best attackman today.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:39 pm
by primitiveskills
molo wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:35 pm Grimes played the entire game. Did he get a point? I saw one nice dodge. but he didn't finish the shot. Desimone was their best attackman today.
No points. There were glimpses, but he was pretty tentative. Understandable given the jump in level and lack of practice/ scrimmages.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:40 pm
by RumorMill
Great to see more college lacrosse today. Fortunate enough to watch most of the Hopkins game. Most of the deficiencies were pretty straight forward and already pointed out, like SSDM. Man, that position seems to get more and more important, and when it’s lacking more exposed. The stats speak for themselves, 3 assists on 14 goals, someone is getting beat and the slide isn’t coming or isn’t timed right. One of the long poles got smoked straight up for the second goal. Was also frustrated at least once when the defense had the opportunity to make the switch and put a long pole on the ball but chose not to. And then another time, alternatively had a pole on ball and the shorty jumped the carrier on a pick that could easily have been run around by the pole (from what I remember). Probably most disappointing for me, was the lack of aggression and confidence on the offensive side. Easy to say now, but after seeing the result, would have preferred seeing #14 turn the ball over three times in a row trying to bull dodge the alley vs his hesitancy to do so. When you shoot 100%, to me that means you should shoot more (when you’re a primary player). Most shots seemed hesitant and without confidence. #3 definitely a bright spot, also good to see #8 settle down and finish the game strong. One thing I don’t necessarily agree on that others point out as a positive, faceoffs. Need to do better when the opposition doesn’t have their primary FO and they send out 4 different players. As I usually state, all easy to say from my position! Good luck next weekend.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:55 pm
by jhu06
primitiveskills wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:39 pm
molo wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:35 pm Grimes played the entire game. Did he get a point? I saw one nice dodge. but he didn't finish the shot. Desimone was their best attackman today.
No points. There were glimpses, but he was pretty tentative. Understandable given the jump in level and lack of practice/ scrimmages.
I don't know how many true freshmen have started at Hopkins, but that was a huge vote of confidence from a staff that did not recruit him and hopefully he'll get a few next week and a chance to grow the confidence.

Milliman can't do it all in a year and probably two and I don't expect ssdm to be a strength or reason we win games this year. What I expect is that the knowns on the roster-attack, midfields, faceoff, goalie, close d where we have an enormous amount of veterans to give enough as they did not today to the point where we have enough to win games where we're not getting great performances.

Smith is a 5 star, not sure how many of those have come in and sat, but this is a new group.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:03 pm
by HopFan16
Look, I don't know what they're showing in practice, but Smith is a legitimately electric athlete—I would send him out there at LSM or something and see if he can make some plays in the middle of the field.

Glassmeyer either must be banged up or took a huge step back in the offseason because based on what he showed last year there is no possible way he's worse than what we were seeing from the shorties today.

It's going to click for Grimes. I'm not at all worried about him. While he didn't score, he very much looked like he "belongs," if that makes sense. He's going to make his presence known soon.

After all the Chauvette hype, didn't see him out there at all.

Score was 5-5 after halftime. Something to build on. The team didn't even have an intrasquad scrimmage prior to this game. This was their first game action of any kind having missed 10 days of practice this month.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:44 pm
by jhu06
HopFan16 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:03 pm Look, I don't know what they're showing in practice, but Smith is a legitimately electric athlete—I would send him out there at LSM or something and see if he can make some plays in the middle of the field.

Glassmeyer either must be banged up or took a huge step back in the offseason because based on what he showed last year there is no possible way he's worse than what we were seeing from the shorties today.

It's going to click for Grimes. I'm not at all worried about him. While he didn't score, he very much looked like he "belongs," if that makes sense. He's going to make his presence known soon.

After all the Chauvette hype, didn't see him out there at all.

Score was 5-5 after halftime. Something to build on. The team didn't even have an intrasquad scrimmage prior to this game. This was their first game action of any kind having missed 10 days of practice this month.
Missing from last game last year
forry darby colwell murphy
hubler stagnitta handsor hawley jaronski glassmeyer steel

half of those were DNP today

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:49 pm
by bananas
RumorMill wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:40 pm Great to see more college lacrosse today. Fortunate enough to watch most of the Hopkins game. Most of the deficiencies were pretty straight forward and already pointed out, like SSDM. Man, that position seems to get more and more important, and when it’s lacking more exposed. The stats speak for themselves, 3 assists on 14 goals, someone is getting beat and the slide isn’t coming or isn’t timed right. One of the long poles got smoked straight up for the second goal. Was also frustrated at least once when the defense had the opportunity to make the switch and put a long pole on the ball but chose not to. And then another time, alternatively had a pole on ball and the shorty jumped the carrier on a pick that could easily have been run around by the pole (from what I remember). Probably most disappointing for me, was the lack of aggression and confidence on the offensive side. Easy to say now, but after seeing the result, would have preferred seeing #14 turn the ball over three times in a row trying to bull dodge the alley vs his hesitancy to do so. When you shoot 100%, to me that means you should shoot more (when you’re a primary player). Most shots seemed hesitant and without confidence. #3 definitely a bright spot, also good to see #8 settle down and finish the game strong. One thing I don’t necessarily agree on that others point out as a positive, faceoffs. Need to do better when the opposition doesn’t have their primary FO and they send out 4 different players. As I usually state, all easy to say from my position! Good luck next weekend.
Trust JHU will be better after a few games . As you say , what needs to be better is known. Epstein is healthy but not unusual to be a bit tentative in first game vs opponent. Glassmeyer has the attributes to be a very good ssdm.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:05 pm
by flalax22
HopFan16 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:03 pm,"

Score was 5-5 after halftime. Something to build on. The team didn't even have an intrasquad scrimmage prior to this game. This was their first game action of any kind having missed 10 days of practice this month.
The flip side to that coin is, OSU hasn’t had an intrasquad game either. Which removes some of the built in JHU excuses.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:11 pm
by HopFan16
flalax22 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:05 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:03 pm,"

Score was 5-5 after halftime. Something to build on. The team didn't even have an intrasquad scrimmage prior to this game. This was their first game action of any kind having missed 10 days of practice this month.
The flip side to that coin is, OSU hasn’t had an intrasquad game either. Which removes some of the built in JHU excuses.
But they had a fall ball, and didn't miss 10 days of practice in February. Not saying the results would be different or anything but one team had a lot more time to prepare than the other. I was at the January Villanova scrimmage last year. This team looked less polished than that one.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:20 pm
by kramerica.inc
flalax22 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:14 pm B7748891-B9DA-428B-BB8E-2E17AC915224.jpeg
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:47 pm DD043E51-CCCD-495E-B0C9-173562E4BDAE.jpeg
At one point it was 9-2 in the 2nd Q.
10-3 in the 3rd.

I thought OSU was down this year?

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:13 pm
by jhu06
HopFan16 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:11 pm
flalax22 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:05 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:03 pm,"

Score was 5-5 after halftime. Something to build on. The team didn't even have an intrasquad scrimmage prior to this game. This was their first game action of any kind having missed 10 days of practice this month.
The flip side to that coin is, OSU hasn’t had an intrasquad game either. Which removes some of the built in JHU excuses.
But they had a fall ball, and didn't miss 10 days of practice in February. Not saying the results would be different or anything but one team had a lot more time to prepare than the other. I was at the January Villanova scrimmage last year. This team looked less polished than that one.
What ohio state looked like in the first half today is what we're going to see at least the first time through the lineup which are programs w/ensconsed regimes and players executing stuff they've worked on for years while our guys build on the fly. Try to keep it close and hope that Milliman can make the second half adjustments like they did today to pull out some wins.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:27 am
by FlyEaglesFly
It’s an interesting point to monitor which teams had and did not have fall ball - especially for early season games. I know Hopkins and Gtown for example did not. Where as Ohio State and Villanova (who Gtown plays today) did. I feel like it is being underestimated how important that fall is - just implementing your system, not only offense and defense - but rides, clears, terminology, freshman development, etc. So now the first couple weeks of the spring that needs to happen - causing those teams to be way behind.

I’d assume Hopkins will be much better by the end of the year.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:45 am
by 51percentcorn
Random thoughts:
- Expectations were low and the team looked like a bunch of people who hadn't played together
- I was slightly surprised at the nature of some of the turnovers - literally not being able to hold onto the ball - but both teams were sloppy
- One thing that hasn't changed - and needs to - is groundballs - I bring this up because part of that is simply effort but the issues of the past few years continue - On a global view Hopkins won 2 more face-offs but lost the gb battle by 7 (which is bad enough) but when you dig deeper you see that Narewski/DeSimone and Epstein accounted for 18 of the 26 ground balls and while all "non starters" gathered a paltry 4 that means that the other 8 starters managed a grand total of 4 as well. Tarafenko only had 6 gbs for Ohio State - the other face-off guys got 1 so Ohio State had at least 26 non face-off man gbs while Hopkins had 17. This extends possessions - accounts for too many possessions when you lose the majority of 50/50 face-offs - which leads to the defense getting tired and the goalie seeing 27 rubber spheres.
- Obviously with the situation personnel is going to have to be a fluid but the defensive mid-field stood out as a question mark and a mess - very interesting that Glassmeyer and Jaronski were absent and maybe the most omnipresent defensive middie was a child who probably never played the position before. Well actually 2 might have never played the position before if you count Shure as well and then throw in that your #1 LSM was a walk-on and you have the problems that you have in that even if you like that group's athleticism its certainly understandable in the heat of the first battle they forget everything with such little practice.
- The only assisted goal in the first 8 of OSU's was a pretty simple pass in transition to DeBerry - while again understandable that no one knew what they were doing - and I don't want cheap shots but somebody in Scarlet and Grey needed to end up on their butt.
- No Szuluk
- Interesting that Prouty only took 4 draws (and lost all of them) - I wonder what that was about - nicked up or they thought Narewski could battle the physical Tarfenko better?
- Offensively - they looked horrible against the zone and I imagine the Wolverines will be practicing their zone defense - Grimes/Epstein and Zinn with 9 of the 19 turnovers - 32 total shots - 25% shooting - While I like Angelus - he really took almost a quarter of the team's shots? Basically the same total as Epstein, Williams and Grimes put together? This is clearly a strength of the Ohio State team and their defense will keep them in alot of games.
- Hopkins needs shooters - if Grimes has this cannon it needs to come onto the battlefield - understand it was his first college game under very difficult circumstances but Hopkins desperately needs shots - I'll take 7 misses from Grimes as long as they're missiles getting the defense and the goalie thinking. Isn't one of the freshmen O'Jays reknowned for outside shooting? - get him out there - for a team that in some ways survived the last few years with good if not great shooters - Wharton/Benn/Brown even Marr - there is no one that consistently worries a defense from outside 10 right now
- DeSimone certainly looked like a different player at attack - hopefully he can keep it up - though it may take some time for him and Epstein to figure out the roles

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:28 am
by DocBarrister
Terrific win for a hustling Ohio State team. I think the second Hopkins-Ohio State game is going to look a lot different.

Blue Jays looked like a team learning a new system with little practice under their belts. Lots of reasons to be optimistic, however ....

Josh Kirson is a very capable goalie. Made some excellent saves that kept this game from becoming embarrassing. Liked his work on clears, too.

SSDMs needed plenty of help and didn’t get it. I think we’ll see faster, more aggressive slides to the shorties in future contests.

Conor DeSimone looks like a liberated player on attack ... creative, aggressive, physical, comfortable ... gotta love it.

All the goals were scored by upperclassmen ... DeSimone, Epstein, Williams, Keogh, Baskin, Degnon. The leadership is there on offense, just need more time for the O to gel.

The new faceoff rules seem to favor athletic, strong players who can pick up GBs. That probably describes Narewski more than Prouty.

Despite the torrent of turnovers, I liked what I saw today from the Blue Jays.

DocBarrister 8-)