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Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:50 pm
by old salt
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:36 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:31 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:23 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:13 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:39 pm
They placed a MAGA hat on a statue in the Capitol. That's some big time espionage & sedition.
Jails are packed full of people who are bad at committing crimes, OS. They're hardly alone. Just because they're idiots.... or matter that what they were trying to do was stupid and laughable, doesn't mean "it doesn't count".
...didn't mean to annoy you with additional info to place these misdemeanor charges in perspective.
How much jail time would you give them ?
Whatever the sentence guidelines called for…and since I pay their salaries, the toughest end of the spectrum….then a dishonorable discharge.
Dishonorable discharge for misdemeanor disorderly conduct ?
For precedent, what was the disposition & sentence for these alleged felony rioters ?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/upda ... t-columbia
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 887cf4c663
Yes. I hold military personnel to a higher standard than a civilian. Don’t you? You get your hat back?
Based on what they did & the rest of their performance, in total, I'm not sure a misdemeanor warrants separation, let alone a BCD.
Had they engaged in violence against police, I'd feel differently.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:52 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:50 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:36 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:31 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:23 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:13 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:39 pm
They placed a MAGA hat on a statue in the Capitol. That's some big time espionage & sedition.
Jails are packed full of people who are bad at committing crimes, OS. They're hardly alone. Just because they're idiots.... or matter that what they were trying to do was stupid and laughable, doesn't mean "it doesn't count".
...didn't mean to annoy you with additional info to place these misdemeanor charges in perspective.
How much jail time would you give them ?
Whatever the sentence guidelines called for…and since I pay their salaries, the toughest end of the spectrum….then a dishonorable discharge.
Dishonorable discharge for misdemeanor disorderly conduct ?
For precedent, what was the disposition & sentence for these alleged felony rioters ?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/upda ... t-columbia
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 887cf4c663
Yes. I hold military personnel to a higher standard than a civilian. Don’t you? You get your hat back?
Based on what they did & the rest of their performance, in total, I'm not sure a misdemeanor warrants separation, let alone a BCD.
Had they engaged in violence, I'd feel differently.
Of course you would. They aren’t fit for the military. I already question their judgement. Were they military academy graduates?
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:07 pm
by old salt
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:52 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:50 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:36 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:31 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:23 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:13 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:39 pm
They placed a MAGA hat on a statue in the Capitol. That's some big time espionage & sedition.
Jails are packed full of people who are bad at committing crimes, OS. They're hardly alone. Just because they're idiots.... or matter that what they were trying to do was stupid and laughable, doesn't mean "it doesn't count".
...didn't mean to annoy you with additional info to place these misdemeanor charges in perspective.
How much jail time would you give them ?
Whatever the sentence guidelines called for…and since I pay their salaries, the toughest end of the spectrum….then a dishonorable discharge.
Dishonorable discharge for misdemeanor disorderly conduct ?
For precedent, what was the disposition & sentence for these alleged felony rioters ?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/upda ... t-columbia
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 887cf4c663
Yes. I hold military personnel to a higher standard than a civilian. Don’t you? You get your hat back?
Based on what they did & the rest of their performance, in total, I'm not sure a misdemeanor warrants separation, let alone a BCD.
Had they engaged in violence, I'd feel differently.
Of course you would. They aren’t fit for the military. I already question their judgement. Were they military academy graduates?
Your questions reveal your subject matter knowledge. They're fit enough to defend your sorry ass.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:13 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:07 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:52 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:50 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:36 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:31 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:23 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:13 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:39 pm
They placed a MAGA hat on a statue in the Capitol. That's some big time espionage & sedition.
Jails are packed full of people who are bad at committing crimes, OS. They're hardly alone. Just because they're idiots.... or matter that what they were trying to do was stupid and laughable, doesn't mean "it doesn't count".
...didn't mean to annoy you with additional info to place these misdemeanor charges in perspective.
How much jail time would you give them ?
Whatever the sentence guidelines called for…and since I pay their salaries, the toughest end of the spectrum….then a dishonorable discharge.
Dishonorable discharge for misdemeanor disorderly conduct ?
For precedent, what was the disposition & sentence for these alleged felony rioters ?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/upda ... t-columbia
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 887cf4c663
Yes. I hold military personnel to a higher standard than a civilian. Don’t you? You get your hat back?
Based on what they did & the rest of their performance, in total, I'm not sure a misdemeanor warrants separation, let alone a BCD.
Had they engaged in violence, I'd feel differently.
Of course you would. They aren’t fit for the military. I already question their judgement. Were they military academy graduates?
Your questions reveal your subject matter knowledge. They're fit enough to defend your sorry ass.
I was being an @ss purposely. I pay them to defend me. They are unfit. Questionable judgment. Make an example out of them. My other question was whether you got your hat back.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:58 am
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:07 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:52 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:50 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:36 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:31 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:23 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:13 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:39 pm
They placed a MAGA hat on a statue in the Capitol. That's some big time espionage & sedition.
Jails are packed full of people who are bad at committing crimes, OS. They're hardly alone. Just because they're idiots.... or matter that what they were trying to do was stupid and laughable, doesn't mean "it doesn't count".
...didn't mean to annoy you with additional info to place these misdemeanor charges in perspective.
How much jail time would you give them ?
Whatever the sentence guidelines called for…and since I pay their salaries, the toughest end of the spectrum….then a dishonorable discharge.
Dishonorable discharge for misdemeanor disorderly conduct ?
For precedent, what was the disposition & sentence for these alleged felony rioters ?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/upda ... t-columbia
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 887cf4c663
Yes. I hold military personnel to a higher standard than a civilian. Don’t you? You get your hat back?
Based on what they did & the rest of their performance, in total, I'm not sure a misdemeanor warrants separation, let alone a BCD.
Had they engaged in violence, I'd feel differently.
Of course you would. They aren’t fit for the military. I already question their judgement. Were they military academy graduates?
Your questions reveal your subject matter knowledge. They're fit enough to defend your sorry ass.
Just read this exchange. Looked again at the allegations about these guys.
There are things we know and things we don't know.
We know they went into the building, spent an hour there, placed a MAGA hat on a statue...we know that one of them had been referencing a civil war, a 'boogaloo'...
We actually don't know whether they were involved in the violence as we just don't have them on camera doing so or admitting it in social media. But they were there during the hours of violence, there with the mob that did enter the building breached through violence (a heck of a lot of people did not), there during the chants for Pelosi and Pence, there for the vandalism...
I don't see it as a close call; absolutely could never trust them in those jobs. Done.
Moreover, I don't see even a claim that they are sorry, realize now how wrong their actions had been...just realization that the insurrection was being "viewed negatively".
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:31 am
by Seacoaster(1)
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:01 am
by Typical Lax Dad
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:58 am
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:07 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:52 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:50 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:36 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:31 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:23 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:13 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:39 pm
They placed a MAGA hat on a statue in the Capitol. That's some big time espionage & sedition.
Jails are packed full of people who are bad at committing crimes, OS. They're hardly alone. Just because they're idiots.... or matter that what they were trying to do was stupid and laughable, doesn't mean "it doesn't count".
...didn't mean to annoy you with additional info to place these misdemeanor charges in perspective.
How much jail time would you give them ?
Whatever the sentence guidelines called for…and since I pay their salaries, the toughest end of the spectrum….then a dishonorable discharge.
Dishonorable discharge for misdemeanor disorderly conduct ?
For precedent, what was the disposition & sentence for these alleged felony rioters ?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/upda ... t-columbia
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/loca ... 887cf4c663
Yes. I hold military personnel to a higher standard than a civilian. Don’t you? You get your hat back?
Based on what they did & the rest of their performance, in total, I'm not sure a misdemeanor warrants separation, let alone a BCD.
Had they engaged in violence, I'd feel differently.
Of course you would. They aren’t fit for the military. I already question their judgement. Were they military academy graduates?
Your questions reveal your subject matter knowledge. They're fit enough to defend your sorry ass.
Just read this exchange. Looked again at the allegations about these guys.
There are things we know and things we don't know.
We know they went into the building, spent an hour there, placed a MAGA hat on a statue...we know that one of them had been referencing a civil war, a 'boogaloo'...
We actually don't know whether they were involved in the violence as we just don't have them on camera doing so or admitting it in social media. But they were there during the hours of violence, there with the mob that did enter the building breached through violence (a heck of a lot of people did not), there during the chants for Pelosi and Pence, there for the vandalism...
I don't see it as a close call; absolutely could never trust them in those jobs. Done.
Moreover, I don't see even a claim that they are sorry, realize now how wrong their actions had been...just realization that the insurrection was being "viewed negatively".
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... t.html/amp
In a chat with another Instagram user in the weeks after the siege, the court records say Coomer told an unidentified person "that everything in this country is corrupt. We honestly need a fresh restart. I'm waiting for the boogaloo." When the other person asked what a "boogaloo" was, Coomer said "Civil war 2."
Prepare the separation papers.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:17 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:13 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:07 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:39 pm
They placed a MAGA hat on a statue in the Capitol. That's some big time espionage & sedition.
Jails are packed full of people who are bad at committing crimes, OS. They're hardly alone. Just because they're idiots.... or matter that what they were trying to do was stupid and laughable, doesn't mean "it doesn't count".
...didn't mean to annoy you with additional info to place these misdemeanor charges in perspective.
How much jail time would you give them ?
Whatever the system sees fit.
You've told us multiple times that you somehow think that it matters that the idea that these idiots could somehow take the government down is laughable. I agree that it's laughable. But they tried, and they were found guilty for trying.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
by old salt
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:01 pm
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
I don't recall any BLM protestors who work in military intelligence being involved, in any way, in an insurrection against the country and Constitution they'd sworn to defend.
Do you?
If other cases are any indication, these guys are going to be found guilty of the charges brought (absent some complete mistake in identity), and will receive criminal punishments similar to others charged similarly. Like lots of others that day, they may actually be guilty of more than these lower level charges, but unless more evidence of such is developed they will skate on those.
That said, based on what is actually known (unless proven otherwise), they
should be bounced from the military, dishonorable discharge.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:16 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
Ah, I see the problem.
You’re talking about the military guys.
I’m talking about the guys found guilty of sedition…the discussions crossed, is all.
I’m good with all the prosecutions surrounding this event.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:19 pm
by old salt
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:01 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
I don't recall any BLM protestors who work in military intelligence being involved, in any way, in an insurrection against the country and Constitution they'd sworn to defend.
Do you?
If other cases are any indication, these guys are going to be found guilty of the charges brought (absent some complete mistake in identity), and will receive criminal punishments similar to others charged similarly. Like lots of others that day, they may actually be guilty of more than these lower level charges, but unless more evidence of such is developed they will skate on those.
That said, based on what is actually known (unless proven otherwise), they
should be bounced from the military, dishonorable discharge.
You may find this troubling, but service members receive due process before they are discharged under less than honorable (LTH) conditions.
In that process, unproven conjecture is considered just that. A misdemeanor disorderly conduct conviction or plea would not automatically result in a LTH discharge. Depending on the facts, a security clearance may be impacted.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:24 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:01 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
I don't recall any BLM protestors who work in military intelligence being involved, in any way, in an insurrection against the country and Constitution they'd sworn to defend.
Do you?
If other cases are any indication, these guys are going to be found guilty of the charges brought (absent some complete mistake in identity), and will receive criminal punishments similar to others charged similarly. Like lots of others that day, they may actually be guilty of more than these lower level charges, but unless more evidence of such is developed they will skate on those.
That said, based on what is actually known (unless proven otherwise), they
should be bounced from the military, dishonorable discharge.
You may find this troubling, but service members receive due process before they are discharged under less than honorable (LTH) conditions.
In that process, unproven conjecture is considered just that. A misdemeanor disorderly conduct conviction or plea would not automatically result in a LTH discharge. Depending on the facts, a security clearance may be impacted.
If the facts support it, hopefully the perpetrators are shown the door via a dishonorable discharge. Let’s send a strong message. You have no home here in the United States of America military.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... 6.html/amp
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/1/Docs/ ... 5B1%5D.pdf
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:42 am
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:24 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:01 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
I don't recall any BLM protestors who work in military intelligence being involved, in any way, in an insurrection against the country and Constitution they'd sworn to defend.
Do you?
If other cases are any indication, these guys are going to be found guilty of the charges brought (absent some complete mistake in identity), and will receive criminal punishments similar to others charged similarly. Like lots of others that day, they may actually be guilty of more than these lower level charges, but unless more evidence of such is developed they will skate on those.
That said, based on what is actually known (unless proven otherwise), they
should be bounced from the military, dishonorable discharge.
You may find this troubling, but service members receive due process before they are discharged under less than honorable (LTH) conditions.
In that process, unproven conjecture is considered just that. A misdemeanor disorderly conduct conviction or plea would not automatically result in a LTH discharge. Depending on the facts, a security clearance may be impacted.
If the facts support it, hopefully the perpetrators are shown the door via a dishonorable discharge. Let’s send a strong message. You have no home here in the United States of America military.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... 6.html/amp
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/1/Docs/ ... 5B1%5D.pdf
If somebody broke any law around riots and breaking into the Capitol, even if it were spitting gum at the feet of security, you should be out. The commitment to protecting the country immediately has to be questioned and once that’s the case that person shouldn’t be given that responsibility.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:01 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:42 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:24 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:01 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
I don't recall any BLM protestors who work in military intelligence being involved, in any way, in an insurrection against the country and Constitution they'd sworn to defend.
Do you?
If other cases are any indication, these guys are going to be found guilty of the charges brought (absent some complete mistake in identity), and will receive criminal punishments similar to others charged similarly. Like lots of others that day, they may actually be guilty of more than these lower level charges, but unless more evidence of such is developed they will skate on those.
That said, based on what is actually known (unless proven otherwise), they
should be bounced from the military, dishonorable discharge.
You may find this troubling, but service members receive due process before they are discharged under less than honorable (LTH) conditions.
In that process, unproven conjecture is considered just that. A misdemeanor disorderly conduct conviction or plea would not automatically result in a LTH discharge. Depending on the facts, a security clearance may be impacted.
If the facts support it, hopefully the perpetrators are shown the door via a dishonorable discharge. Let’s send a strong message. You have no home here in the United States of America military.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... 6.html/amp
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/1/Docs/ ... 5B1%5D.pdf
If somebody broke any law around riots and breaking into the Capitol, even if it were spitting gum at the feet of security, you should be out. The commitment to protecting the country immediately has to be questioned and once that’s the case that person shouldn’t be given that responsibility.
Race war and take the government down types. Deh fit for Old Segregationist’s Military. Let ‘em serve. McVeigh is their hero.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:21 am
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:01 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:42 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:24 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:01 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
I don't recall any BLM protestors who work in military intelligence being involved, in any way, in an insurrection against the country and Constitution they'd sworn to defend.
Do you?
If other cases are any indication, these guys are going to be found guilty of the charges brought (absent some complete mistake in identity), and will receive criminal punishments similar to others charged similarly. Like lots of others that day, they may actually be guilty of more than these lower level charges, but unless more evidence of such is developed they will skate on those.
That said, based on what is actually known (unless proven otherwise), they
should be bounced from the military, dishonorable discharge.
You may find this troubling, but service members receive due process before they are discharged under less than honorable (LTH) conditions.
In that process, unproven conjecture is considered just that. A misdemeanor disorderly conduct conviction or plea would not automatically result in a LTH discharge. Depending on the facts, a security clearance may be impacted.
If the facts support it, hopefully the perpetrators are shown the door via a dishonorable discharge. Let’s send a strong message. You have no home here in the United States of America military.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... 6.html/amp
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/1/Docs/ ... 5B1%5D.pdf
If somebody broke any law around riots and breaking into the Capitol, even if it were spitting gum at the feet of security, you should be out. The commitment to protecting the country immediately has to be questioned and once that’s the case that person shouldn’t be given that responsibility.
Race war and take the government down types. Deh fit for Old Segregationist’s Military. Let ‘em serve. McVeigh is their hero.
“Well I know it but I probably shouldn’t say it…ooohhh it was Nagger”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qyNXQSSs0ug
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:34 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:21 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:01 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:42 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:24 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:01 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
I don't recall any BLM protestors who work in military intelligence being involved, in any way, in an insurrection against the country and Constitution they'd sworn to defend.
Do you?
If other cases are any indication, these guys are going to be found guilty of the charges brought (absent some complete mistake in identity), and will receive criminal punishments similar to others charged similarly. Like lots of others that day, they may actually be guilty of more than these lower level charges, but unless more evidence of such is developed they will skate on those.
That said, based on what is actually known (unless proven otherwise), they
should be bounced from the military, dishonorable discharge.
You may find this troubling, but service members receive due process before they are discharged under less than honorable (LTH) conditions.
In that process, unproven conjecture is considered just that. A misdemeanor disorderly conduct conviction or plea would not automatically result in a LTH discharge. Depending on the facts, a security clearance may be impacted.
If the facts support it, hopefully the perpetrators are shown the door via a dishonorable discharge. Let’s send a strong message. You have no home here in the United States of America military.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... 6.html/amp
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/1/Docs/ ... 5B1%5D.pdf
If somebody broke any law around riots and breaking into the Capitol, even if it were spitting gum at the feet of security, you should be out. The commitment to protecting the country immediately has to be questioned and once that’s the case that person shouldn’t be given that responsibility.
Race war and take the government down types. Deh fit for Old Segregationist’s Military. Let ‘em serve. McVeigh is their hero.
“Well I know it but I probably shouldn’t say it…ooohhh it was Nagger”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qyNXQSSs0ug
Those fine soldiers are down for the boogaloo. We need more like them in This Mans’s Marine Corps…
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:42 am
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:01 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
I don't recall any BLM protestors who work in military intelligence being involved, in any way, in an insurrection against the country and Constitution they'd sworn to defend.
Do you?
If other cases are any indication, these guys are going to be found guilty of the charges brought (absent some complete mistake in identity), and will receive criminal punishments similar to others charged similarly. Like lots of others that day, they may actually be guilty of more than these lower level charges, but unless more evidence of such is developed they will skate on those.
That said, based on what is actually known (unless proven otherwise), they
should be bounced from the military, dishonorable discharge.
You may find this troubling, but service members receive due process before they are discharged under less than honorable (LTH) conditions.
In that process, unproven conjecture is considered just that. A misdemeanor disorderly conduct conviction or plea would not automatically result in a LTH discharge. Depending on the facts, a security clearance may be impacted.
Why would I find it troubling that there's due process?
Start the court martial process now, no need to wait for civilian criminal conviction.
Assign them a military defense attorney and get on with it.
They want to plea out and take a dishonorable discharge rather than time in the brig first, that's a decision for military prosecutors and judges.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:48 am
by Farfromgeneva
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:42 am
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:01 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:42 pm
They weren't found guilty of anything. They were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct.
If they'd done more, they'd have been charged. You don't charge based on conjecture.
Use the legal precedents extended to the BLM protesters.
I don't recall any BLM protestors who work in military intelligence being involved, in any way, in an insurrection against the country and Constitution they'd sworn to defend.
Do you?
If other cases are any indication, these guys are going to be found guilty of the charges brought (absent some complete mistake in identity), and will receive criminal punishments similar to others charged similarly. Like lots of others that day, they may actually be guilty of more than these lower level charges, but unless more evidence of such is developed they will skate on those.
That said, based on what is actually known (unless proven otherwise), they
should be bounced from the military, dishonorable discharge.
You may find this troubling, but service members receive due process before they are discharged under less than honorable (LTH) conditions.
In that process, unproven conjecture is considered just that. A misdemeanor disorderly conduct conviction or plea would not automatically result in a LTH discharge. Depending on the facts, a security clearance may be impacted.
Why would I find it troubling that there's due process?
Start the court martial process now, no need to wait for civilian criminal conviction.
Assign them a military defense attorney and get on with it.
They want to plea out and take a dishonorable discharge rather than time in the brig first, that's a decision for military prosecutors and judges.
Right. Much is made as how they’re independent of civilian processes so tying it back to criminal civilian court sure seems goofy and thoughtless. Or disingenuous.
Re: January 6, 2021: Insurrection or “normal tourist” visitation?
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:13 am
by Typical Lax Dad
https://apnews.com/article/riots-capito ... dfd318ea2f
“The Marine Corps said in a statement that “there is no place for racial hatred or extremism” in its ranks.
“Those who can’t value the contributions of others, regardless of background, are destructive to our culture, our warfighting ability, and have no place in our ranks,” it said.”
Old Soldier disagrees….
