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Seacoaster(1) wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:25 am

ggait wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:34 pm Seems pretty obvious. Scalia in Heller after all:

Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the
full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion
should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions
on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill,
or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places
such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of
arms.26

26 We identify these presumptively lawful regulatory measures only as
examples; our list does not purport to be exhaustive.

Yes, agreed. But Clarence is sending the lower federal courts down this “historic” use route. I’m waiting for him to comment on spousal abuse in the 1770s.

Ginny won’t let him address spousal abuse….or else

Goodness gracious: https://www.facebook.com/reel/2820247574792652

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:36 pm Federal Court finds Illinois assault weapon ban constitutional. The court found assault weapons are not protected by the 2nd Amendment! I am guessing they argue there is no analog to these weapons when the constitution was written. This will present a very thorny problem for SCOTUS I would think.

Did they determine how an assault weapon is defined? King Andy tried to ban assault weapons in NYS. Actually he did ban some rifles. The bottom line is you can easily purchase a Ruger mini 14. The Ruger weapon in terms of reality is as lethal as any AR-15 weapon. It just doesn't look scary to folks who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to what an assault weapon is.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

7 police officers now suspended after surreptitiously leaking these documents to the public - why should we trust them to effectively guard a school?

https://apnews.com/article/nashville-co ... f7574663d3

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:17 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:36 pm Federal Court finds Illinois assault weapon ban constitutional. The court found assault weapons are not protected by the 2nd Amendment! I am guessing they argue there is no analog to these weapons when the constitution was written. This will present a very thorny problem for SCOTUS I would think.

Did they determine how an assault weapon is defined? King Andy tried to ban assault weapons in NYS. Actually he did ban some rifles. The bottom line is you can easily purchase a Ruger mini 14. The Ruger weapon in terms of reality is as lethal as any AR-15 weapon. It just doesn't look scary to folks who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to what an assault weapon is.

Legally speaking the panel's decision simply created a fast track to the Supreme Court, which is getting tired of state's thumbing their noses at Heller and Bruen.

A logical fallacy is, fundamentally, an error in logic.This means that an argument that uses one certainly doesn't hold if you're using logic and reason as your source of decision making. Some commonly found logical fallacies are:

Strawman : You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.
False cause :You presumed that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other.
Appeal to emotion :You attempted to manipulate an emotional response in place of a valid or compelling argument.
Slippery slope :You said that if we allow A to happen, then Z will eventually happen too, therefore A should not happen.
Ad hominem :You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
Tu quoque :You avoided having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - you answered criticism with criticism.
Personal incredulity : Because you found something difficult to understand, or are unaware of how it works, you made out like it's probably not true.
Loaded question :You asked a question that had a presumption built into it so that it couldn't be answered without appearing guilty.
Burden of proof :You said that the burden of proof lies not with the person making the claim, but with someone else to disprove.
Appeal to authority :You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.
Composition/division :You assumed that one part of something has to be applied to all, or other, parts of it; or that the whole must apply to its parts.
No true scotsman : You made what could be called an appeal to purity as a way to dismiss relevant criticisms or flaws of your argument.
Black-or-white :You presented two alternative states as the only possibilities, when in fact more possibilities exist.
Begging the question :You presented a circular argument in which the conclusion was included in the premise.
Appeal to nature :You argued that because something is 'natural' it is therefore valid, justified, inevitable, good or ideal.
Anecdotal :You used a personal experience or an isolated example instead of a sound argument or compelling evidence.
The texas sharpshooter : You cherry-picked a data cluster to suit your argument, or found a pattern to fit a presumption.
Middle ground :You claimed that a compromise, or middle point, between two extremes must be the truth.

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:28 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

7 police officers now suspended after surreptitiously leaking these documents to the public - why should we trust them to effectively guard a school?

https://apnews.com/article/nashville-co ... f7574663d3

But let's ignore the manifesto due to it (and the perpetrator) not aligning with the desired narrative of Bloomberg/Everytown? And the manifesto confirming, sadly and yet again, that the majority of those criminal monsters who plan these horrific events have "soft target/gun free zones" on their list of "Keys to Performing a Successful Mass Public Shooting".

In terms of schools becoming less soft, numerous groups of ex-law enforcement and military have endeavored to volunteer to be a trained and visible deterrent, but that suggested and potentially effective strategy has been mostly ignored.

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:28 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

7 police officers now suspended after surreptitiously leaking these documents to the public - why should we trust them to effectively guard a school?

https://apnews.com/article/nashville-co ... f7574663d3

Good for them! Because they know they could have helped.

Are you ‘Bob’, the CIA Chief from Benghazi…..you sure act like it.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:00 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:28 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

7 police officers now suspended after surreptitiously leaking these documents to the public - why should we trust them to effectively guard a school?

https://apnews.com/article/nashville-co ... f7574663d3

Good for them! Because they know they could have helped.

Are you ‘Bob’, the CIA Chief from Benghazi…..you sure act like it.

Nah. I'm just not for police officers who ignore or flaunt laws to suit their purposes.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:00 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:28 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

7 police officers now suspended after surreptitiously leaking these documents to the public - why should we trust them to effectively guard a school?

https://apnews.com/article/nashville-co ... f7574663d3

Good for them! Because they know they could have helped.

Are you ‘Bob’, the CIA Chief from Benghazi…..you sure act like it.

Could have helped who?

WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:23 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:28 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

7 police officers now suspended after surreptitiously leaking these documents to the public - why should we trust them to effectively guard a school?

https://apnews.com/article/nashville-co ... f7574663d3

But let's ignore the manifesto due to it (and the perpetrator) not aligning with the desired narrative of Bloomberg/Everytown? And the manifesto confirming, sadly and yet again, that the majority of those criminal monsters who plan these horrific events have "soft target/gun free zones" on their list of "Keys to Performing a Successful Mass Public Shooting".

In terms of schools becoming less soft, numerous groups of ex-law enforcement and military have endeavored to volunteer to be a trained and visible deterrent, but that suggested and potentially effective strategy has been mostly ignored.

Our local schools are always locked down. I would assume most are similar these days.

The vast majority of places hit have been soft targets. Living in a free country means you have soft targets everywhere.
Its pretty simple. Protect events and schools. However you want to do it. Contracts with public law enforcement offices or private security firms.
This guy's manifesto shows what a nut-job/coward he was.
"Spend time with stuffed animals and possessions."
Then "open fire towards SW entrance" of the school building.
This mental case's goal was to shoot at a school building, get a response, and have someone else help him commit suicide. He coulda done it anywhere, but he knew the response to a school shooting would likely be swift and fatal.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:00 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:28 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

7 police officers now suspended after surreptitiously leaking these documents to the public - why should we trust them to effectively guard a school?

https://apnews.com/article/nashville-co ... f7574663d3

Good for them! Because they know they could have helped.

Are you ‘Bob’, the CIA Chief from Benghazi…..you sure act like it.

Benghazi you are referencing is the same recerenced in the 2 year Benghazi Investigation, 800 page 7 dollar report? That Be ghaxi?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/two-y ... ith-a-thud.

It calls to mind the warnings and advice Bush ignored before 9/11

Having security officers and locking down schools is reactionary.

Does nothing to address the causes, and sadly there are examples where security guards did jack squat. And we're expecting them to engage a heavily armed gunman with plate or soft armor with a 9mm handgun?

Sure, lock down the schools and throw armed guards in there. It may prevent a few of these shootings, or may keep some body counts lower.

But it's ignoring the root issues, and will just change shooter behavior. Plus it creates pretty awful school environments.

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:28 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

7 police officers now suspended after surreptitiously leaking these documents to the public - why should we trust them to effectively guard a school?

https://apnews.com/article/nashville-co ... f7574663d3

Nice the police disregarded the victims families and released it. Good job!

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:12 am

WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:23 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:28 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

7 police officers now suspended after surreptitiously leaking these documents to the public - why should we trust them to effectively guard a school?

https://apnews.com/article/nashville-co ... f7574663d3

But let's ignore the manifesto due to it (and the perpetrator) not aligning with the desired narrative of Bloomberg/Everytown? And the manifesto confirming, sadly and yet again, that the majority of those criminal monsters who plan these horrific events have "soft target/gun free zones" on their list of "Keys to Performing a Successful Mass Public Shooting".

In terms of schools becoming less soft, numerous groups of ex-law enforcement and military have endeavored to volunteer to be a trained and visible deterrent, but that suggested and potentially effective strategy has been mostly ignored.

Our local schools are always locked down. I would assume most are similar these days.

The vast majority of places hit have been soft targets. Living in a free country means you have soft targets everywhere.
Its pretty simple. Protect events and schools. However you want to do it. Contracts with public law enforcement offices or private security firms.
This guy's manifesto shows what a nut-job/coward he was.
"Spend time with stuffed animals and possessions."
Then "open fire towards SW entrance" of the school building.
This mental case's goal was to shoot at a school building, get a response, and have someone else help him commit suicide. He coulda done it anywhere, but he knew the response to a school shooting would likely be swift and fatal.

APS closes schools on election day because a number are utilized as polling places and they can ensure safety of who goes in and out. Now what that says about election safety I don’t know and feel like it’s an opportunity for a day off.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

You focus on 12:00, I'll focus on 9:30. If he didn't have those "special belongings" 12:33 never would have happened.

OCanada wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:15 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:00 am

Kismet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:28 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:46 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:49 am Nashville Shooter Manifesto: https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/172 ... gr%5Etweet

Note the comment at 12:00pm on the manifesto. And yet, we still find people against the use of police/security at schools.

7 police officers now suspended after surreptitiously leaking these documents to the public - why should we trust them to effectively guard a school?

https://apnews.com/article/nashville-co ... f7574663d3

Good for them! Because they know they could have helped.

Are you ‘Bob’, the CIA Chief from Benghazi…..you sure act like it.

Benghazi you are referencing is the same recerenced in the 2 year Benghazi Investigation, 800 page 7 dollar report? That Be ghaxi?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/two-y ... ith-a-thud.

It calls to mind the warnings and advice Bush ignored before 9/11

You clearly do not understand my reference to "bob" the CIA Chief, who was in command during the debacle, and likely the reason why it went further south.