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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:55 am My son recommended this Pod Save America podcast video with Waltz.
Very liberal ex Obama aide doing the interview, see how he handles...the interview is about 46 minutes in. (if you're a conservative leaning person, you may wish to avoid the first 46 mins as it basically rips Trump/Vance etc... they're really smart guys, so if you want to understand that perspective, it's a good window) but see the interview of Waltz for Waltz..

Very entertaining and you gotta like this guy.
I think it answers the question of why Waltz is going to vibe so well with Harris yet with a striking contrast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HfLac0R80Y

Seems to me that the Harris messaging should be that the Dems have a tremendous bench and it was super hard to narrow down the selections, she'd have been proud to have any of those vetted on the ticket with her, that they'd all have brought special qualities and she'd have had faith in their capacities to serve as President...however, she felt that she wanted a partner who could so superbly express a joyfulness in public service to the country that she feels as well. She wanted someone with both legislative and governing experience, effectively working across the aisle, a 'pragmatic progressive' as she sees herself, but with a midwestern and rural perspective that truly get's small town America.

You see that latter messaging in her announcement about Waltz's bio.

But watch the podcast, it's fun and you get an excellent feel for him.

... I came to think over the past few weeks he was the best choice. He is a Joe Biden like pick. Fighter for the small guy!! He is an old-time left wing progressive / populist. He harkens to a time when progressivism ruled the midwest. He will appeal to Trump's white rural base. Rural voters will recognize him and have a good feeling for him. Progressivism was founded in the upper midwest. It's back to the future!!

He will play in Pennsylvania like Biden did. Fighting for the small guy!!

I like him a lot.

njbill wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:38 am Don’t know much about this guy, but from what I know, I like the pick. I like Josh Shapiro, but his stance on Israel Palestine would be too distracting or worse. Would have hurt in Michigan.

Will be interested to hear why Mark Kelly didn’t get the job. Hopefully it’s nothing negative about him and perhaps was due to the Dems fearing losing his Senate seat in 2026.

... I think he had labor union problem.

Ah, yes. Forgot about that.

Vance and Trump are already stating their attacks on Waltz in super extreme hyperbolic rhetoric..."Waltz will unleash hell on earth"... says Trump.

Come on right leaners on here, isn't that hyperbole going to backfire?

Salty, what think you on this?
24 years in National Guard, small town raised, hunter, school teacher and football coach, won in a formerly Republican district, 12 years as a "work horse not show horse" in Congress working across lines, two time governor with over 60% approval rating...yeah, a progressive.

Youth? Kram?

Don't give us "I'd prefer" someone else, isn't this extreme rhetoric so obviously stupid that "weird" is what will really stick?

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/202 ... 61755.html

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:15 pm Vance and Trump are already stating their attacks on Waltz in super extreme hyperbolic rhetoric..."Waltz will unleash hell on earth"... says Trump.

Come on right leaners on here, isn't that hyperbole going to backfire?

Salty, what think you on this?
24 years in National Guard, small town raised, hunter, school teacher and football coach, won in a formerly Republican district, 12 years as a "work horse not show horse" in Congress working across lines, two time governor with over 60% approval rating...yeah, a progressive.

Youth? Kram?

Don't give us "I'd prefer" someone else, isn't this extreme rhetoric so obviously stupid that "weird" is what will really stick?

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/202 ... 61755.html

... you didn't ask me, but I will answer. Yes, absolutely. I think given Trump's behavioral problems, Vance's outrageousness, THE MIDWEST HAS BEEN PUT INTO PLAY!!

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:20 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:15 pm Vance and Trump are already stating their attacks on Waltz in super extreme hyperbolic rhetoric..."Waltz will unleash hell on earth"... says Trump.

Come on right leaners on here, isn't that hyperbole going to backfire?

Salty, what think you on this?
24 years in National Guard, small town raised, hunter, school teacher and football coach, won in a formerly Republican district, 12 years as a "work horse not show horse" in Congress working across lines, two time governor with over 60% approval rating...yeah, a progressive.

Youth? Kram?

Don't give us "I'd prefer" someone else, isn't this extreme rhetoric so obviously stupid that "weird" is what will really stick?

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/202 ... 61755.html

... you didn't ask me, but I will answer. Yes, absolutely. I think given Trump's behavioral problems, Vance's outrageousness, THE MIDWEST HAS BEEN PUT INTO PLAY!!

I was unaware that you lean right...

I just think the super personal attacks, purposeful mis-pronouncements of name, extreme exaggerations, fall flat outside the hardcore base and incel community sorts...but with those "Obama/Trump voters" it'll fall badly flat. Just stupid...weirdly so. Opposite of authentic.

waffle, you good with Waltz re guns?
He signed universal background checks legislation...but obviously vibes with responsible gun owners. Instead of gun poseurs...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:29 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:20 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:15 pm Vance and Trump are already stating their attacks on Waltz in super extreme hyperbolic rhetoric..."Waltz will unleash hell on earth"... says Trump.

Come on right leaners on here, isn't that hyperbole going to backfire?

Salty, what think you on this?
24 years in National Guard, small town raised, hunter, school teacher and football coach, won in a formerly Republican district, 12 years as a "work horse not show horse" in Congress working across lines, two time governor with over 60% approval rating...yeah, a progressive.

Youth? Kram?

Don't give us "I'd prefer" someone else, isn't this extreme rhetoric so obviously stupid that "weird" is what will really stick?

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/202 ... 61755.html

... you didn't ask me, but I will answer. Yes, absolutely. I think given Trump's behavioral problems, Vance's outrageousness, THE MIDWEST HAS BEEN PUT INTO PLAY!!

I was unaware that you lean right...

I just think the super personal attacks, purposeful mis-pronouncements of name, extreme exaggerations, fall flat outside the hardcore base and incel community sorts...but with those "Obama/Trump voters" it'll fall badly flat. Just stupid...weirdly so. Opposite of authentic.

waffle, you good with Waltz re guns?
He signed universal background checks legislation...but obviously vibes with responsible gun owners. Instead of gun poseurs...

... right leg is shorter than the left, just a little.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:29 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:20 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:15 pm Vance and Trump are already stating their attacks on Waltz in super extreme hyperbolic rhetoric..."Waltz will unleash hell on earth"... says Trump.

Come on right leaners on here, isn't that hyperbole going to backfire?

Salty, what think you on this?
24 years in National Guard, small town raised, hunter, school teacher and football coach, won in a formerly Republican district, 12 years as a "work horse not show horse" in Congress working across lines, two time governor with over 60% approval rating...yeah, a progressive.

Youth? Kram?

Don't give us "I'd prefer" someone else, isn't this extreme rhetoric so obviously stupid that "weird" is what will really stick?

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/202 ... 61755.html

... you didn't ask me, but I will answer. Yes, absolutely. I think given Trump's behavioral problems, Vance's outrageousness, THE MIDWEST HAS BEEN PUT INTO PLAY!!

I was unaware that you lean right...

I just think the super personal attacks, purposeful mis-pronouncements of name, extreme exaggerations, fall flat outside the hardcore base and incel community sorts...but with those "Obama/Trump voters" it'll fall badly flat. Just stupid...weirdly so. Opposite of authentic.

waffle, you good with Waltz re guns?
He signed universal background checks legislation...but obviously vibes with responsible gun owners. Instead of gun poseurs...

... right leg is shorter than the left, just a little.

Walz is the safe choice. Maybe too safe.

Do no harm; Minnesota nice; safe bland older white guy to balance things out and to sell in the Rust Belt. Basically, pretty similar to Obama picking Biden in 2008.

Shapiro imo had way more upside. If there ever was a time to swing for a veep delivering one single state, 2024/Shapiro/PA was it. Shapiro has more talent (maybe a bit too much for KH?), but could have he had some issues too.

ggait wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:54 pm Walz is the safe choice. Maybe too safe.

Do no harm; Minnesota nice; safe bland older white guy to balance things out and to sell in the Rust Belt. Basically, pretty similar to Obama picking Biden in 2008.

Shapiro imo had way more upside. If there ever was a time to swing for a veep delivering one single state, 2024/Shapiro/PA was it. Shapiro has more talent (maybe a bit too much for KH?), but could have he had some issues too.

Honest question - has a VP pick made a difference in their home state in the past? Say, last 50-80 years? I haven't found a ton of info on that subject.

Although Palin sealed my vote for Obama, I'm not sure a VP would sway me to vote for a candidate.

LBJ delivering TX for JFK in 1960 is the most often cited example.

Generally, folks think that VPs do not deliver their home states. But...

PA is the absolute must win state for the Dems in 2024. And PA is razor close. And Shapiro is unusually popular in PA for a Dem.

So this would be the time to try it imo.

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 1:12 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:54 pm Walz is the safe choice. Maybe too safe.

Do no harm; Minnesota nice; safe bland older white guy to balance things out and to sell in the Rust Belt. Basically, pretty similar to Obama picking Biden in 2008.

Shapiro imo had way more upside. If there ever was a time to swing for a veep delivering one single state, 2024/Shapiro/PA was it. Shapiro has more talent (maybe a bit too much for KH?), but could have he had some issues too.

Honest question - has a VP pick made a difference in their home state in the past? Say, last 50-80 years? I haven't found a ton of info on that subject.

Although Palin sealed my vote for Obama, I'm not sure a VP would sway me to vote for a candidate.

Al Gore lost Tennessee which was even more shocking

"I want to extend my congratulations to Governor Walz on being selected as the Democratic vice presidential nominee. We had the chance to work together as fellow governors, and while we come from different parties, I have always appreciated his dedication to public service. I believe we need more governors at the national level because governors have to actually get stuff done. I wish Tim and his family well in the campaign ahead."

Larry Hogan.

General Hertling, on twitter:

"Many followers not familiar with the military are asking me “so what’s the big deal about a command sergeant major?”

Walz joined at 18 as a private. Rose through the NCO (sergeant) ranks, each requiring extreme competence at increasingly demanding jobs with more people & responsibility at every rank.

When you reach “Master Sergeant” you are selected to serve as a First Sergeant (1SG) of a unit…if you’re good enough. Then, those 1SGTs compete for selection to Sergeant Major. Only the best Sergeant Majors are selected for Command Sergeant Major (CSM) billets.

CSMs serve as the senior enlisted person in the unit and the advisor to Commanders at battalion and above. Having served with dozens of CSMs as my unit & command “battle buddy” I will attest they were all awesome.

They know what they’re doing. They uphold standards. They speak their minds to all ranks (private to generals). They’re not afraid of getting bad news because they know how to fix things when they go wrong. And they serve the command (their commander and their soldiers) with a selfless integrity and a complete dedication.

During social events and informal occasions, they’re usually a whole bunch of fun. And they always have great stories. But they’re always professional.

So, those are my thoughts on Command Sergeants Major. While I don’t know the details of @GovTimWalz career wearing the cloth of our country, just the fact that he volunteered to serve and wore the CSM rank tells me a lot about him."

ggait wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:54 pm Walz is the safe choice. Maybe too safe.

Do no harm; Minnesota nice; safe bland older white guy to balance things out and to sell in the Rust Belt. Basically, pretty similar to Obama picking Biden in 2008.

Shapiro imo had way more upside. If there ever was a time to swing for a veep delivering one single state, 2024/Shapiro/PA was it. Shapiro has more talent (maybe a bit too much for KH?), but could have he had some issues too.

Have you seen Walz interviews?
Not bland. But very authentic.
I'd keep him in a t-shirt or hunting coat as much as practical and going to every state fair and diner they can find throughout the blue wall...and even places like Georgia and North Carolina.

I think Shapiro, like Wes Moore, both hugely strong political athletes, needs more time under his belt as a governor. Like Moore, he's less than 2 years in.., (though has considerable prior political background in PA). Walz is a two term popular governor and 12 years at federal level in House. Veteran helps as well. I agree that he helps Harris similarly to Obama with Biden. I think Obama would have won those blue wall states anyway, but only if there was someone who moderated the impression that Obama was too young, too lefty, too...black, to be President. Biden satisfied the sense that more government experience was necessary. Harris has a lot more than Obama did, but the "too..." problem is real. But my guess is that she felt super comfortable with Walz on policy, and that he could argue that arena in terminology that she has more difficulty doing. And be a big middle finger to whatever appeal Vance might have in rural areas. More than Shapiro.

Obviously PA is hugely important. I'd expect Shapiro to carry a ton of water in PA regardless, be super active in working the state for them...appearing with them at every opportunity... and they'll make a lot of opportunities for him to shine too.

Shapiro has a ton of career runway, so surely will be motivated to do so. His press statement makes that clear.

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:29 pm

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:20 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:15 pm Vance and Trump are already stating their attacks on Waltz in super extreme hyperbolic rhetoric..."Waltz will unleash hell on earth"... says Trump.

Come on right leaners on here, isn't that hyperbole going to backfire?

Salty, what think you on this?
24 years in National Guard, small town raised, hunter, school teacher and football coach, won in a formerly Republican district, 12 years as a "work horse not show horse" in Congress working across lines, two time governor with over 60% approval rating...yeah, a progressive.

Youth? Kram?

Don't give us "I'd prefer" someone else, isn't this extreme rhetoric so obviously stupid that "weird" is what will really stick?

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/202 ... 61755.html

... you didn't ask me, but I will answer. Yes, absolutely. I think given Trump's behavioral problems, Vance's outrageousness, THE MIDWEST HAS BEEN PUT INTO PLAY!!

I was unaware that you lean right...

I just think the super personal attacks, purposeful mis-pronouncements of name, extreme exaggerations, fall flat outside the hardcore base and incel community sorts...but with those "Obama/Trump voters" it'll fall badly flat. Just stupid...weirdly so. Opposite of authentic.

waffle, you good with Waltz re guns?
He signed universal background checks legislation...but obviously vibes with responsible gun owners. Instead of gun poseurs...

... right leg is shorter than the left, just a little.

That desperate to get in the pants of the chick in the glass menagerie that you clubbed your foot?

jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:20 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:15 pm Vance and Trump are already stating their attacks on Waltz in super extreme hyperbolic rhetoric..."Waltz will unleash hell on earth"... says Trump.

Come on right leaners on here, isn't that hyperbole going to backfire?

Salty, what think you on this?
24 years in National Guard, small town raised, hunter, school teacher and football coach, won in a formerly Republican district, 12 years as a "work horse not show horse" in Congress working across lines, two time governor with over 60% approval rating...yeah, a progressive.

Youth? Kram?

Don't give us "I'd prefer" someone else, isn't this extreme rhetoric so obviously stupid that "weird" is what will really stick?

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/202 ... 61755.html

... you didn't ask me, but I will answer. Yes, absolutely. I think given Trump's behavioral problems, Vance's outrageousness, THE MIDWEST HAS BEEN PUT INTO PLAY!!

Warriors, don’t need Brooklyn and doc.

https://youtu.be/aRM2YcGpmxg?si=5h4nraLp-prO9LjX

Someone on Twitter/X pointed out that Shapiro called back after his interview on Sunday and expressed ambivalence over leaving the governorship in PA. He might have taken himself out of the competition and it became Walz vs. someone else...