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a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:00 pmSo the choice is:Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:17 am Words no longer have meaning. Where have I heard that before?
TLD apparently doesn't understand that many on the Left mean exactly that, abolish the police.
1. Support bad policing, without hesitation, when they kill citizens for no reason whatsoever
2. Look at our policing methods and systems, as we did in Colorado, and make changes to procedures and laws. This means allocating our tax dollars in more effective ways.
Boy. That's a tough call, Pete. Personally, I think you and your fellow five year olds should keep it up with your "waaaaah, they're trying to eliminate the police" FoxNation game. Swing voters are REALLY impressed when Republicans pretend to be so stupid that they don't think our government needs fixing when the police put their knees on citizens who have been found guilty of nothing....and murder them.
2020 has been one of the worst years our country has seen.
And yet YOU think is the best message is: "2020 has been the best year ever! Vote Incumbent for more of the same. Change is bad".
Good one, Pete. Good luck with this path in November.
precisely why i use grant as an example!jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:10 amThe Presidential List of Slave HoldersChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:27 pmgrant too.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:51 pm… its pretty clear acknowledging Jefferson's flaws causes some folks to get their panties in a bunch.ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:44 pmeven facts are often in dispute these days...jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:41 pm… that gets no argument from me - FACT - he was a slaveowner.ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:32 pm forget that TJ may have been a rapist. he was a racist slaveowner. humans in bondage. forget the year. it's reprehensible.
arguments against???
we are all the same. (TJ didnt think so)
here's one in support of the above theory- ibram kendi defines antiracist: https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2020 ... ntiracist/
g'head. tell ibram he's wrong.An antiracist idea is any idea that suggests the racial groups are equals in all their apparent differences—that there is nothing right or wrong with any racial group. Antiracist ideas argue that racist policies are the cause of racial inequities.
I was aware of a number of these, but some come as a surprise.
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:39 pm I've been on the side of criminal justice reform before you gave up your binkie.
Riiiiiight. That explains why you're whining nonstop at the idea of fixing America's troubled police departments.Come on JHU. Sally was 15. Owned property of the 44 year old man who wanted to fork her. She is penniless, powerless and homeless. If she resists, her lousy life will only get worse. Her mother showed her that, under the circumstances, you are lucky to have the opportunity to be a house maid and sex worker -- so do the job well and please the master. Better than working in the fields. Or being sold off to another plantation. As a slave, she had no options as to picking which man to date or be with.Which was my point. I thought I made that clear. It was not rape in any legal sense, what it was we really don't know, or likely ever will know. If I understand your point, you do not allow for any feeling between the two on Sally's part. Of that I am less certain. I don't think there was anything run of the mill in her just as there was not in Jefferson. Have to agree to disagree.
a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:55 pmPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:39 pm I've been on the side of criminal justice reform before you gave up your binkie.
Interesting tidbit.ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:48 pmprecisely why i use grant as an example!jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:10 amThe Presidential List of Slave HoldersChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:27 pmgrant too.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:51 pm… its pretty clear acknowledging Jefferson's flaws causes some folks to get their panties in a bunch.ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:44 pmeven facts are often in dispute these days...jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:41 pm… that gets no argument from me - FACT - he was a slaveowner.ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:32 pm forget that TJ may have been a rapist. he was a racist slaveowner. humans in bondage. forget the year. it's reprehensible.
arguments against???
we are all the same. (TJ didnt think so)
here's one in support of the above theory- ibram kendi defines antiracist: https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2020 ... ntiracist/
g'head. tell ibram he's wrong.An antiracist idea is any idea that suggests the racial groups are equals in all their apparent differences—that there is nothing right or wrong with any racial group. Antiracist ideas argue that racist policies are the cause of racial inequities.
I was aware of a number of these, but some come as a surprise.
You just told me you've spent your life working on criminal justice reform, Pete.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:59 pmWhy would I focus on a problem that doesn't exist?a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:55 pmPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:39 pm I've been on the side of criminal justice reform before you gave up your binkie.
I was aware of Grant, he had been in the news the past month. The one that really surprised me was Van Buren, a northerner who I remembered from American History as being anti-slavery, which it turns out he was but later in his life. It is really the northerners on the list. The Virginians were no surprise at all.ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:48 pmprecisely why i use grant as an example!jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:10 amThe Presidential List of Slave HoldersChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:27 pmgrant too.jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:51 pm… its pretty clear acknowledging Jefferson's flaws causes some folks to get their panties in a bunch.ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:44 pmeven facts are often in dispute these days...jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:41 pm… that gets no argument from me - FACT - he was a slaveowner.ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:32 pm forget that TJ may have been a rapist. he was a racist slaveowner. humans in bondage. forget the year. it's reprehensible.
arguments against???
we are all the same. (TJ didnt think so)
here's one in support of the above theory- ibram kendi defines antiracist: https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2020 ... ntiracist/
g'head. tell ibram he's wrong.An antiracist idea is any idea that suggests the racial groups are equals in all their apparent differences—that there is nothing right or wrong with any racial group. Antiracist ideas argue that racist policies are the cause of racial inequities.
I was aware of a number of these, but some come as a surprise.
I am surprised people are not making a much bigger deal over Jackson. He was not just a slave owner, but a slave trader as well.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:04 pmYou just told me you've spent your life working on criminal justice reform, Pete.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:59 pmWhy would I focus on a problem that doesn't exist?a fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:55 pmPeter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:39 pm I've been on the side of criminal justice reform before you gave up your binkie.
Multiple personality disorder much?
Would you like some time to decide whether or not our criminal justice system needs reform amongst yourselves, Pete(s), and get back to us?
1. Support bad policing, without hesitation, when they kill citizens for no reason whatsoevera fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:00 pmSo the choice is:Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:17 am Words no longer have meaning. Where have I heard that before?
TLD apparently doesn't understand that many on the Left mean exactly that, abolish the police.
1. Support bad policing, without hesitation, when they kill citizens for no reason whatsoever
2. Look at our policing methods and systems, as we did in Colorado, and make changes to procedures and laws. This means allocating our tax dollars in more effective ways.
Boy. That's a tough call, Pete. Personally, I think you and your fellow five year olds should keep it up with your "waaaaah, they're trying to eliminate the police" FoxNation game. Swing voters are REALLY impressed when Republicans pretend to be so stupid that they don't think our government needs fixing when the police put their knees on citizens who have been found guilty of nothing....and murder them.
2020 has been one of the worst years our country has seen.
And yet YOU think is the best message is: "2020 has been the best year ever! Vote Incumbent for more of the same. Change is bad".
Where the FK are you during the day? You and MDLax share the same bubble?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:35 pm1. Support bad policing, without hesitation, when they kill citizens for no reason whatsoevera fan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:00 pmSo the choice is:Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:17 am Words no longer have meaning. Where have I heard that before?
TLD apparently doesn't understand that many on the Left mean exactly that, abolish the police.
1. Support bad policing, without hesitation, when they kill citizens for no reason whatsoever
2. Look at our policing methods and systems, as we did in Colorado, and make changes to procedures and laws. This means allocating our tax dollars in more effective ways.
Boy. That's a tough call, Pete. Personally, I think you and your fellow five year olds should keep it up with your "waaaaah, they're trying to eliminate the police" FoxNation game. Swing voters are REALLY impressed when Republicans pretend to be so stupid that they don't think our government needs fixing when the police put their knees on citizens who have been found guilty of nothing....and murder them.
2020 has been one of the worst years our country has seen.
And yet YOU think is the best message is: "2020 has been the best year ever! Vote Incumbent for more of the same. Change is bad".
2. Look at our policing methods and systems, as we did in Colorado, and make changes to procedures and laws. This means allocating our tax dollars in more effective ways.
Your point sounds good in theory. When my nephew was a street cop he was very new to the job the first time a guy he was trying to talk to punched him in the face and bit him on his arm. That was the pattern for him for the next 5 years. Even an episode where the bad guy got his gun out and fired off a shot that just missed his head. You can change all of the policing methods you want. The first time any cop gets punched in the face for no reason... you look at the job and people differently. Is that right, probably not. If we want to all acknowledge here on this forum that being a beat cop means you are subject to getting physically assaulted and sent to the ER on a regular basis while trying to do your job... then hey, that is the new normal. How would you react after awhile a Fan if once a month one of your customers went off the rails and punched you in the face? Would you accept that as just being part of your business? Would there come a time when you become overly defensive because you don't enjoy those trips to the ER? I have an interesting compromise. The powers that be want to release all disciplinary records for all cops. That is fair enough. Maybe along with those reports all the medical reports on how often the officer was assaulted and injured on the job can also be included in the mix? That would not justify bad behavior, it sure would put it in a different context.
This is case in point, Cradle. And why so many citizens think the issues are systemic...I certainly do.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:35 pm Maybe along with those reports all the medical reports on how often the officer was assaulted and injured on the job can also be included in the mix? That would not justify bad behavior, it sure would put it in a different context.
Pete thinks that murdering a black man in broad daylight with three other policemen standing by and doing nothing is a-ok, and there's no problem.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:14 pm You said "troubled police departments"; that is not the problem,
Stop. The guy was compliant.youthathletics wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:43 pm Did we ever get to see or hear more video footage on "why" it got to the point they needed 4 officers, and they needed to put George on the ground? Not defending the death, trying to figure out why it escalated.