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PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:36 am

Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:53 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:02 pm

Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:45 am I am not trying to troll Penn and Princeton fans here, but what is the logic for ranking Penn (1-2) and Princeton (2-2) ahead of Brown (3-1) this week? Princeton's two wins came at home against Monmouth and Manhattan. Penn's win came against 1-3 Georgetown. Brown was #16 in the pre-season polls before they absolutely laid an egg in the opener against Quinnipiac, losing by a goal. OK, they deserve to be penalized for that. Since that game, Brown has defeated Providence 13-7 at home and then traveled to beat UVM 22-12 and Stony Brook 17-12 on the road. As a reminder, Brown won the Ivy League regular season championship last year. As another reminder, Brown is 6-2 against Princeton since 2014. As a final reminder, the People's Goalie was first team All Ivy last spring and he eats disrespect for breakfast along with his 6-egg cheese & bacon omelets. Don't mess!

Are these groups monolithic? A broad statement such as yours is veering towards troll-dom based on its inexact construction. A little nuance would be well-received.

Respectfully, I can’t figure out the point you are trying to make.

Generalizations are not useful.

Sorry to be slow on the uptake. My post was very specific on the records of the three teams mentioned. Wouldn't be the first time a joke went over my head.

laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:41 pm Gavin Adler shut down the three team top scorers he guarded. He should be mentioned

Adler made the USILA Team of the Week.

faircornell wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:06 pm

laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:41 pm Gavin Adler shut down the three team top scorers he guarded. He should be mentioned

Adler made the USILA Team of the Week.

As has been said many times. Best shutdown close D-man in the country. In the last game against OSU, their is a highlight where he goes between 2 OSU players I believe after a shot and scoops up the GB like a vacuum cleaner, and in one quick motion passes it to another cornell player. Epitomizes this guy's immense talent. I know offense usually goes 1st in most drafts but Gavin could certainly go #1 in the upcoming pro drafts.
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Joewillie78

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:13 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:06 pm

laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:41 pm Gavin Adler shut down the three team top scorers he guarded. He should be mentioned

Adler made the USILA Team of the Week.

As has been said many times. Best shutdown close D-man in the country. In the last game against OSU, their is a highlight where he goes between 2 OSU players I believe after a shot and scoops up the GB like a vacuum cleaner, and in one quick motion passes it to another cornell player. Epitomizes this guy's immense talent. I know offense usually goes 1st in most drafts but Gavin could certainly go #1 in the upcoming pro drafts.
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Joewillie78

Handley isn't playing well right now, but its hard to see him not going #1 overall. It wouldn't surprise me at all by the end of the year to see Adler go #1 as you said. His game is much more than just a shutdown defenseman, he's a playmaker that impacts games like no other and is a complete outlier to college and professional defensemen. There's nobody like him which is why I can see him being such a high value selection

Laxfanatic2022 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:09 pm

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:13 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:06 pm

laxfan1313 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:41 pm Gavin Adler shut down the three team top scorers he guarded. He should be mentioned

Adler made the USILA Team of the Week.

As has been said many times. Best shutdown close D-man in the country. In the last game against OSU, their is a highlight where he goes between 2 OSU players I believe after a shot and scoops up the GB like a vacuum cleaner, and in one quick motion passes it to another cornell player. Epitomizes this guy's immense talent. I know offense usually goes 1st in most drafts but Gavin could certainly go #1 in the upcoming pro drafts.
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Joewillie78

Handley isn't playing well right now, but its hard to see him not going #1 overall. It wouldn't surprise me at all by the end of the year to see Adler go #1 as you said. His game is much more than just a shutdown defenseman, he's a playmaker that impacts games like no other and is a complete outlier to college and professional defensemen. There's nobody like him which is why I can see him being such a high value selection

Wouldn't you just love to see him and Jeff Teat on the same team? They're both very different players, except for proving the rule that size don't mean turd in lacrosse. But they're also both very unique: Gavin plays defense like no other long stick, and Jeff plays attack (or offensive midfield) like no other attackman. And both are absolutely the best at what he does. They're both complete outliers, as you say. Imagine superpasser-scorer and superdefender teaming up!

In a closely related note, imagine the tears Big Red fans shed thinking about what might have been. Covid ended Jeff's career as a college player when 2020 was cut short, and he came back to play in 2021, but the Ivies cut that short. Meanwhile, Gavin stretched his tenure to 2023, when he's now playing as a senior (or whatever the Ivies call a player who kept the extra year of eligibility.) Were the Ivies a bit less cautious, they could have played together in 2021.

And in 2021 CJ would have been a freshman with Teat and Long. With Donville along with Connor Fletcher at Midfield. Defense would have been Adler, Doria and Follows.With Coyle, Lombardi, Blake and Matt Lichardi joining Donville and Fletcher at Midfield. Irelan in goal. FO might have been the weak point but Petrakis had a decent run during shortened 2020 season.

Could you imagine Teat feeding CJ while still having all these other talented players to draw attention.

RedIvy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:21 pm And in 2021 CJ would have been a freshman with Teat and Long. With Donville along with Connor Fletcher at Midfield. Defense would have been Adler, Doria and Follows.With Coyle, Lombardi, Blake and Matt Lichardi joining Donville and Fletcher at Midfield. Irelan in goal. FO might have been the weak point but Petrakis had a decent run during shortened 2020 season.

Could you imagine Teat feeding CJ while still having all these other talented players to draw attention.

Sorry for a check and balance, but the 2020 team was 5-0 despite the defense giving up 17 and 16 (both 1 goal wins), 11, 10 and 10 goals. Adler is an all-time great, but the team defense was not better than average. 2022 was a magical tournament run, but their average score for the season was just 13-11; again, a magical tournament run but the stats don't really indicate that 2021 would have been some sort of dominant season.

Ezra White wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:30 pm In a closely related note, imagine the tears Big Red fans shed thinking about what might have been. Covid ended Jeff's career as a college player when 2020 was cut short

At the time, the Cornell men's lacrosse team, the Cornell men's hockey team, and the Cornell women's hockey team, for the first time EVER, were all ranked #1 in the country in at least one poll or computer ranking.

And then the mysterious Cornell-One-A virus (abbreviated to "corona") suddenly appears ...

Do your research!

CU77 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:49 pm

Ezra White wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:30 pm In a closely related note, imagine the tears Big Red fans shed thinking about what might have been. Covid ended Jeff's career as a college player when 2020 was cut short

At the time, the Cornell men's lacrosse team, the Cornell men's hockey team, and the Cornell women's hockey team, for the first time EVER, were all ranked #1 in the country in at least one poll or computer ranking.

And then the mysterious Cornell-One-A virus (abbreviated to "corona") suddenly appears ...

Do your research!

It was the Dominion voting machines. Cesar Chavez had his revenge.

Last full weekend of OOC matchups. With the ACC back in form and the Big 10 with 5 teams in the top 10, the Ivy's need every out of conference win they can get before we go into league play to boost that strength of schedule.

11:30 Yale vs. #19 Denver
12pm Cornell vs. #8 Penn State
Brown #15 UNC
Harvard vs. Michigan
1pm Princeton @ #7 Rutgers
3:30pm Penn vs. #18 Villanova

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:35 pm Last full weekend of OOC matchups. With the ACC back in form and the Big 10 with 5 teams in the top 10, the Ivy's need every out of conference win they can get before we go into league play to boost that strength of schedule.

11:30 Yale vs. #19 Denver
12pm Cornell vs. #8 Penn State
Brown #15 UNC
Harvard vs. Michigan
1pm Princeton @ #7 Rutgers
3:30pm Penn vs. #18 Villanova

Litmus test.

Cornell vs. #8 Penn State

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 2:27 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:35 pm Last full weekend of OOC matchups. With the ACC back in form and the Big 10 with 5 teams in the top 10, the Ivy's need every out of conference win they can get before we go into league play to boost that strength of schedule.

11:30 Yale vs. #19 Denver
12pm Cornell vs. #8 Penn State
Brown #15 UNC
Harvard vs. Michigan
1pm Princeton @ #7 Rutgers
3:30pm Penn vs. #18 Villanova

Litmus test.

Cornell vs. #8 Penn State

I thought OSU on the road was the litmus test. Cornell has passed every test this year. Each week can't be a "litmus test". They are very good. Are they going to win every game? Of course not but I don't consider every week a litmus test. Unless you mean litmus test for PSU which again, I wouldn't agree with as they also have proven themselves.
To me, it's just a top 10 matchup of 2 very good teams. No litmus test here.
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Joewillie78

joewillie78 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 2:45 pm

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 2:27 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:35 pm Last full weekend of OOC matchups. With the ACC back in form and the Big 10 with 5 teams in the top 10, the Ivy's need every out of conference win they can get before we go into league play to boost that strength of schedule.

11:30 Yale vs. #19 Denver
12pm Cornell vs. #8 Penn State
Brown #15 UNC
Harvard vs. Michigan
1pm Princeton @ #7 Rutgers
3:30pm Penn vs. #18 Villanova

Litmus test.

Cornell vs. #8 Penn State

I thought OSU on the road was the litmus test. Cornell has passed every test this year. Each week can't be a "litmus test". They are very good. Are they going to win every game? Of course not but I don't consider every week a litmus test. Unless you mean litmus test for PSU which again, I wouldn't agree with as they also have proven themselves.
To me, it's just a top 10 matchup of 2 very good teams. No litmus test here.
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Joewillie78

By that I meant a better gauge of the relative strength within the Ivies. How will Cornell, which I rank as better than Penn at this time, fare against PSU? Contrary to the Fanlax Computer I believe more accurate assessments are reached via relative performance against common opposition, not just a simplified, binary win/loss (not enough permutations explored).

So, to phrase in the vernacular, no offense intended by my incomplete brevity of expression.

I agree with Pizza's take on that. Relative performance against common opponents is a decent measure. But the hardest part is that teams get better and worse during a season. For example, I thought Penn's offense looked much better last night against St. Joe's than it did against Duke, and I don't think that was solely due to Duke being a better team. Off-ball movement was almost non-existent during the Duke game and was on display front and center last night. My point being, how a team performed three weeks ago may not be relevant to how they perform this week (or next). Anyway, should be a fun weekend and good luck to all the teams.

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:35 pm Last full weekend of OOC matchups. With the ACC back in form and the Big 10 with 5 teams in the top 10, the Ivy's need every out of conference win they can get before we go into league play to boost that strength of schedule.

11:30 Yale vs. #19 Denver
12pm Cornell vs. #8 Penn State
Brown #15 UNC
Harvard vs. Michigan
1pm Princeton @ #7 Rutgers
3:30pm Penn vs. #18 Villanova

The Ivies are certainly not lacking in high quality opponents.

faircornell wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:02 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:35 pm Last full weekend of OOC matchups. With the ACC back in form and the Big 10 with 5 teams in the top 10, the Ivy's need every out of conference win they can get before we go into league play to boost that strength of schedule.

11:30 Yale vs. #19 Denver
12pm Cornell vs. #8 Penn State
Brown #15 UNC
Harvard vs. Michigan
1pm Princeton @ #7 Rutgers
3:30pm Penn vs. #18 Villanova

The Ivies are certainly not lacking in high quality opponents.

Outside of Cornell, they are lacking in high quality wins.

BigTom5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:21 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:02 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:35 pm Last full weekend of OOC matchups. With the ACC back in form and the Big 10 with 5 teams in the top 10, the Ivy's need every out of conference win they can get before we go into league play to boost that strength of schedule.

11:30 Yale vs. #19 Denver
12pm Cornell vs. #8 Penn State
Brown #15 UNC
Harvard vs. Michigan
1pm Princeton @ #7 Rutgers
3:30pm Penn vs. #18 Villanova

The Ivies are certainly not lacking in high quality opponents.

Outside of Cornell, they are lacking in high quality wins.

Ouch. Well played.

BigTom5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:21 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:02 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:35 pm Last full weekend of OOC matchups. With the ACC back in form and the Big 10 with 5 teams in the top 10, the Ivy's need every out of conference win they can get before we go into league play to boost that strength of schedule.

11:30 Yale vs. #19 Denver
12pm Cornell vs. #8 Penn State
Brown #15 UNC
Harvard vs. Michigan
1pm Princeton @ #7 Rutgers
3:30pm Penn vs. #18 Villanova

The Ivies are certainly not lacking in high quality opponents.

Outside of Cornell, they are lacking in high quality wins.

Douché!!

BigTom5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:21 pm

faircornell wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:02 pm

ctbagataway wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:35 pm Last full weekend of OOC matchups. With the ACC back in form and the Big 10 with 5 teams in the top 10, the Ivy's need every out of conference win they can get before we go into league play to boost that strength of schedule.

11:30 Yale vs. #19 Denver
12pm Cornell vs. #8 Penn State
Brown #15 UNC
Harvard vs. Michigan
1pm Princeton @ #7 Rutgers
3:30pm Penn vs. #18 Villanova

The Ivies are certainly not lacking in high quality opponents.

Outside of Cornell, they are lacking in high quality wins.

Agreed. Big weekend for the Ivies; they need to start clicking off some of these wins. An Ivy sweep this weekend would go a long way toward securing that third spot in the NCAAs.

Christian Swezey
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Ivy League men's lacrosse travel rosters for overnight trips remain at 32 players (reg season). Same as it was in the mid-1990s at least.

By way of comparison in 2023:

ACC: No limit
Big East: Up to each school
B1G: 40 or 45 players
Patriot League: No limit