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Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:13 am
by GreyingHound
Thor1 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:45 pm
laxbro11 wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:55 pm
Lehigh will be a challenge, Road game, Lehigh playing well... Looking forward to 1pm next saturday
Lehigh Fogo is a beast..Sisselberger...Gaffney didn't play last game, if healthy that is a dynamite 1-2 punch
While the younger guys did well against Utah, I hope Bailey is back on Saturday. The last time he faced Gaffney (2019), Bailey won 10 of 13 in the second half!

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:40 pm
by laxbro11
The hound nation is awful quiet. What can we do to improve
1. Play aggressive lacrosse. Gbs wins games.
2. Better passing and catching. They are not crisp and it throws the tempo of the offense off. These are basics
3. Better shot selection. Hitting the goalie in the chest is a turn over.
4. Turn overs.
5. Run an offense. Once around the horn and shoot after 30 second is not helping
6. D played good enough to win. But when they ball was always in their end because the offense could not hold onto the ball.

Army. Navy. Bucknell will all be tough games if something dies not change. The offensive players are not getting it done. To keep doing the same thing over and over is insanity. Shake up the middies.

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:24 am
by kramerica.inc
Losing 16 of 19 faceoffs does not help. I dont remember a Hounds team being out GB'd that badly in quite some time. To be in such a possession deficit and still just lose by a few is a testament to the defense. Faceoffs will work itself out. Sometimes, you simply get a bad matchup. Did Vaikness and the staff try to give Cattone or the others a chance or keep rolling with Savio?
Being outhustled on GBS is very unlike the Hounds. Wondering if there is more to the story.
Every year, no matter the team, Defenses always have the advantage early in the season. It generally takes offenses time to get going.
This season, with the weird practices, it will probably take even longer. So I'm thankful our defensive guys are holding down the fort until the offense can get going. But strongly agree, the middies need to improve their shooting percentages. And sometimes that is as simple as making sure cuts are better on picks, slips, fades. Spacing matters. Down to the foot. I saw part of the Richmond game which wasn't pretty offensively. I thought our middies were struggling drawing slides and the attention of the defense. Middies arent finding passing lanes. Since then- are the middies shooting poorly (good looks, but not finishing) or are we still not generating quality looks for the middies?
Lehigh is a tough team. They have been building for a few years. Congrats to them on a fine win. Back to the grind this week. Keep practicing smart and getting better, Hounds!

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:50 am
by houndace1
laxbro11 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:40 pm The hound nation is awful quiet. What can we do to improve
1. Play aggressive lacrosse. Gbs wins games.
2. Better passing and catching. They are not crisp and it throws the tempo of the offense off. These are basics
3. Better shot selection. Hitting the goalie in the chest is a turn over.
4. Turn overs.
5. Run an offense. Once around the horn and shoot after 30 second is not helping
6. D played good enough to win. But when they ball was always in their end because the offense could not hold onto the ball.

Army. Navy. Bucknell will all be tough games if something dies not change. The offensive players are not getting it done. To keep doing the same thing over and over is insanity. Shake up the middies.
I think the hardest part for me to process is that the offense is just so inconsistent. How does the team put up 12 goals against UVA, 20 against Utah, but only 6 against Lehigh? Credit Lehigh, they deserved to win and played excellent. Dominated the GB category, and Faceoffs.

Like what laxbro11 said, Loyola D played good enough to win. But a defense can only be so strong until something cracks, and its up to the offense to keep the pace going.

How many times did the middies take a 20 yard shot after a split dodge or on the run? Lehigh's goalie played very well yesterday but some of those shots were straight to his chest/and or stick. Lehigh D, SNUFFED our attack unit. I think Olmstead had more turnovers than points. James got shut out.

For the talk of "we need our middies to beat their guy and find the right look", its simply just not happening.

i dont know if this is too critical to say, but i always have a feeling of worry whenever our offense gets the ball, simply because i wonder if they will score, or turn the ball over. I've never had that feeling before in the 8 years following this program. AND this is even including 2015 when they lost Justin Ward and his class of players, but had returning pieces in the attack and midfield line of Sirico, Pontrello, Sherlock, Dennis.

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:06 am
by laxbro11
kramerica.inc wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:24 am Losing 16 of 19 faceoffs does not help. I dont remember a Hounds team being out GB'd that badly in quite some time. To be in such a possession deficit and still just lose by a few is a testament to the defense. Faceoffs will work itself out. Sometimes, you simply get a bad matchup. Did Vaikness and the staff try to give Cattone or the others a chance or keep rolling with Savio?
Being outhustled on GBS is very unlike the Hounds. Wondering if there is more to the story.
Every year, no matter the team, Defenses always have the advantage early in the season. It generally takes offenses time to get going.
This season, with the weird practices, it will probably take even longer. So I'm thankful our defensive guys are holding down the fort until the offense can get going. But strongly agree, the middies need to improve their shooting percentages. And sometimes that is as simple as making sure cuts are better on picks, slips, fades. Spacing matters. Down to the foot. I saw part of the Richmond game which wasn't pretty offensively. I thought our middies were struggling drawing slides and the attention of the defense. Middies arent finding passing lanes. Since then- are the middies shooting poorly (good looks, but not finishing) or are we still not generating quality looks for the middies?
Lehigh is a tough team. They have been building for a few years. Congrats to them on a fine win. Back to the grind this week. Keep practicing smart and getting better, Hounds!
+1

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:10 am
by laxbro11
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:50 am
laxbro11 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:40 pm The hound nation is awful quiet. What can we do to improve
1. Play aggressive lacrosse. Gbs wins games.
2. Better passing and catching. They are not crisp and it throws the tempo of the offense off. These are basics
3. Better shot selection. Hitting the goalie in the chest is a turn over.
4. Turn overs.
5. Run an offense. Once around the horn and shoot after 30 second is not helping
6. D played good enough to win. But when they ball was always in their end because the offense could not hold onto the ball.

Army. Navy. Bucknell will all be tough games if something dies not change. The offensive players are not getting it done. To keep doing the same thing over and over is insanity. Shake up the middies.
I think the hardest part for me to process is that the offense is just so inconsistent. How does the team put up 12 goals against UVA, 20 against Utah, but only 6 against Lehigh? Credit Lehigh, they deserved to win and played excellent. Dominated the GB category, and Faceoffs.

Like what laxbro11 said, Loyola D played good enough to win. But a defense can only be so strong until something cracks, and its up to the offense to keep the pace going.

How many times did the middies take a 20 yard shot after a split dodge or on the run? Lehigh's goalie played very well yesterday but some of those shots were straight to his chest/and or stick. Lehigh D, SNUFFED our attack unit. I think Olmstead had more turnovers than points. James got shut out.

For the talk of "we need our middies to beat their guy and find the right look", its simply just not happening.

i dont know if this is too critical to say, but i always have a feeling of worry whenever our offense gets the ball, simply because i wonder if they will score, or turn the ball over. I've never had that feeling before in the 8 years following this program. AND this is even including 2015 when they lost Justin Ward and his class of players, but had returning pieces in the attack and midfield line of Sirico, Pontrello, Sherlock, Dennis.
+1

The question is has anything changed since Spencer... Has Vanarsdale changed his offensive philosophy to meet the needs of the current players. If you remember correctly this is how we started out last year, nothing has changed... bad passes, no middie play, turnovers.... Army, Navy (2x), Towson and Georgetown coming up. We need to win at least 4

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am
by houndace1
laxbro11 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:10 am
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:50 am
laxbro11 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:40 pm The hound nation is awful quiet. What can we do to improve
1. Play aggressive lacrosse. Gbs wins games.
2. Better passing and catching. They are not crisp and it throws the tempo of the offense off. These are basics
3. Better shot selection. Hitting the goalie in the chest is a turn over.
4. Turn overs.
5. Run an offense. Once around the horn and shoot after 30 second is not helping
6. D played good enough to win. But when they ball was always in their end because the offense could not hold onto the ball.

Army. Navy. Bucknell will all be tough games if something dies not change. The offensive players are not getting it done. To keep doing the same thing over and over is insanity. Shake up the middies.
I think the hardest part for me to process is that the offense is just so inconsistent. How does the team put up 12 goals against UVA, 20 against Utah, but only 6 against Lehigh? Credit Lehigh, they deserved to win and played excellent. Dominated the GB category, and Faceoffs.

Like what laxbro11 said, Loyola D played good enough to win. But a defense can only be so strong until something cracks, and its up to the offense to keep the pace going.

How many times did the middies take a 20 yard shot after a split dodge or on the run? Lehigh's goalie played very well yesterday but some of those shots were straight to his chest/and or stick. Lehigh D, SNUFFED our attack unit. I think Olmstead had more turnovers than points. James got shut out.

For the talk of "we need our middies to beat their guy and find the right look", its simply just not happening.

i dont know if this is too critical to say, but i always have a feeling of worry whenever our offense gets the ball, simply because i wonder if they will score, or turn the ball over. I've never had that feeling before in the 8 years following this program. AND this is even including 2015 when they lost Justin Ward and his class of players, but had returning pieces in the attack and midfield line of Sirico, Pontrello, Sherlock, Dennis.
+1

The question is has anything changed since Spencer... Has Vanarsdale changed his offensive philosophy to meet the needs of the current players. If you remember correctly this is how we started out last year, nothing has changed... bad passes, no middie play, turnovers.... Army, Navy (2x), Towson and Georgetown coming up. We need to win at least 4
I'd like to add and say that in the modern era, great teams have a guy who can be the QB of the offense to make the right reads, execute the right timed pass, or just create a scoring opportunity on his own. UNC has Gray, MD has Bernhardt, Hopkins for a while had the two Stanwicks, PSU had Ament, HPU has Asher Nolting. Princeton/Duke has Sowers. Denver has Morrill. All very capable guys

Look what happened to UNC during the years they didn't have an X attackman, their offense sputtered.

Obviously Spencer was our X guy for 4 years, Ward was the guy for his time. the question for 2020 and 2021- WHO is the X attackman for Loyola

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:02 pm
by 10stone5
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am
laxbro11 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:10 am
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:50 am
laxbro11 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:40 pm The hound nation is awful quiet. What can we do to improve
1. Play aggressive lacrosse. Gbs wins games.
2. Better passing and catching. They are not crisp and it throws the tempo of the offense off. These are basics
3. Better shot selection. Hitting the goalie in the chest is a turn over.
4. Turn overs.
5. Run an offense. Once around the horn and shoot after 30 second is not helping
6. D played good enough to win. But when they ball was always in their end because the offense could not hold onto the ball.

Army. Navy. Bucknell will all be tough games if something dies not change. The offensive players are not getting it done. To keep doing the same thing over and over is insanity. Shake up the middies.
I think the hardest part for me to process is that the offense is just so inconsistent. How does the team put up 12 goals against UVA, 20 against Utah, but only 6 against Lehigh? Credit Lehigh, they deserved to win and played excellent. Dominated the GB category, and Faceoffs.

Like what laxbro11 said, Loyola D played good enough to win. But a defense can only be so strong until something cracks, and its up to the offense to keep the pace going.

How many times did the middies take a 20 yard shot after a split dodge or on the run? Lehigh's goalie played very well yesterday but some of those shots were straight to his chest/and or stick. Lehigh D, SNUFFED our attack unit. I think Olmstead had more turnovers than points. James got shut out.

For the talk of "we need our middies to beat their guy and find the right look", its simply just not happening.

i dont know if this is too critical to say, but i always have a feeling of worry whenever our offense gets the ball, simply because i wonder if they will score, or turn the ball over. I've never had that feeling before in the 8 years following this program. AND this is even including 2015 when they lost Justin Ward and his class of players, but had returning pieces in the attack and midfield line of Sirico, Pontrello, Sherlock, Dennis.
+1

The question is has anything changed since Spencer... Has Vanarsdale changed his offensive philosophy to meet the needs of the current players. If you remember correctly this is how we started out last year, nothing has changed... bad passes, no middie play, turnovers.... Army, Navy (2x), Towson and Georgetown coming up. We need to win at least 4
I'd like to add and say that in the modern era, great teams have a guy who can be the QB of the offense to make the right reads, execute the right timed pass, or just create a scoring opportunity on his own. UNC has Gray, MD has Bernhardt, Hopkins for a while had the two Stanwicks, PSU had Ament, HPU has Asher Nolting. Princeton/Duke has Sowers. Denver has Morrill. All very capable guys

Look what happened to UNC during the years they didn't have an X attackman, their offense sputtered.

Obviously Spencer was our X guy for 4 years, Ward was the guy for his time. the question for 2020 and 2021- WHO is the X attackman for Loyola
Or also, take the Connor Kelly approach from up top,
if you can find a player like that,

I saw a couple teams employ the Connor Kelly approach
with success.

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:58 pm
by jrn19
10stone5 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:02 pm
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am
laxbro11 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:10 am
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:50 am
laxbro11 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:40 pm The hound nation is awful quiet. What can we do to improve
1. Play aggressive lacrosse. Gbs wins games.
2. Better passing and catching. They are not crisp and it throws the tempo of the offense off. These are basics
3. Better shot selection. Hitting the goalie in the chest is a turn over.
4. Turn overs.
5. Run an offense. Once around the horn and shoot after 30 second is not helping
6. D played good enough to win. But when they ball was always in their end because the offense could not hold onto the ball.

Army. Navy. Bucknell will all be tough games if something dies not change. The offensive players are not getting it done. To keep doing the same thing over and over is insanity. Shake up the middies.
I think the hardest part for me to process is that the offense is just so inconsistent. How does the team put up 12 goals against UVA, 20 against Utah, but only 6 against Lehigh? Credit Lehigh, they deserved to win and played excellent. Dominated the GB category, and Faceoffs.

Like what laxbro11 said, Loyola D played good enough to win. But a defense can only be so strong until something cracks, and its up to the offense to keep the pace going.

How many times did the middies take a 20 yard shot after a split dodge or on the run? Lehigh's goalie played very well yesterday but some of those shots were straight to his chest/and or stick. Lehigh D, SNUFFED our attack unit. I think Olmstead had more turnovers than points. James got shut out.

For the talk of "we need our middies to beat their guy and find the right look", its simply just not happening.

i dont know if this is too critical to say, but i always have a feeling of worry whenever our offense gets the ball, simply because i wonder if they will score, or turn the ball over. I've never had that feeling before in the 8 years following this program. AND this is even including 2015 when they lost Justin Ward and his class of players, but had returning pieces in the attack and midfield line of Sirico, Pontrello, Sherlock, Dennis.
+1

The question is has anything changed since Spencer... Has Vanarsdale changed his offensive philosophy to meet the needs of the current players. If you remember correctly this is how we started out last year, nothing has changed... bad passes, no middie play, turnovers.... Army, Navy (2x), Towson and Georgetown coming up. We need to win at least 4
I'd like to add and say that in the modern era, great teams have a guy who can be the QB of the offense to make the right reads, execute the right timed pass, or just create a scoring opportunity on his own. UNC has Gray, MD has Bernhardt, Hopkins for a while had the two Stanwicks, PSU had Ament, HPU has Asher Nolting. Princeton/Duke has Sowers. Denver has Morrill. All very capable guys

Look what happened to UNC during the years they didn't have an X attackman, their offense sputtered.

Obviously Spencer was our X guy for 4 years, Ward was the guy for his time. the question for 2020 and 2021- WHO is the X attackman for Loyola
Or also, take the Connor Kelly approach from up top,
if you can find a player like that,

I saw a couple teams employ the Connor Kelly approach
with success.
The common thread with either approach is a First Team All-American type guy is what’s required. At least to win a title. To be a week in, week out Top 10 team you need at least a Top 10-ish at their position guy.

Loyola just doesn’t have that. Olmstead’s a good player but he’s in his 4th year now. Senior year leaps aren’t uncommon but they’re usually from very good to great or great to elite. Not from good to elite.

The approach does seem fragmented and I struggle to tell what their identity is but no matter how you slice it they don’t have a guy who you could credibly argue as a Top 10 attackmen or midfielder in the country and that’s gonna lower your ceiling as an offense no matter how you choose to play

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:56 pm
by NovaHound
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am
laxbro11 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:10 am
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:50 am
laxbro11 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:40 pm The hound nation is awful quiet. What can we do to improve
1. Play aggressive lacrosse. Gbs wins games.
2. Better passing and catching. They are not crisp and it throws the tempo of the offense off. These are basics
3. Better shot selection. Hitting the goalie in the chest is a turn over.
4. Turn overs.
5. Run an offense. Once around the horn and shoot after 30 second is not helping
6. D played good enough to win. But when they ball was always in their end because the offense could not hold onto the ball.

Army. Navy. Bucknell will all be tough games if something dies not change. The offensive players are not getting it done. To keep doing the same thing over and over is insanity. Shake up the middies.
I think the hardest part for me to process is that the offense is just so inconsistent. How does the team put up 12 goals against UVA, 20 against Utah, but only 6 against Lehigh? Credit Lehigh, they deserved to win and played excellent. Dominated the GB category, and Faceoffs.

Like what laxbro11 said, Loyola D played good enough to win. But a defense can only be so strong until something cracks, and its up to the offense to keep the pace going.

How many times did the middies take a 20 yard shot after a split dodge or on the run? Lehigh's goalie played very well yesterday but some of those shots were straight to his chest/and or stick. Lehigh D, SNUFFED our attack unit. I think Olmstead had more turnovers than points. James got shut out.

For the talk of "we need our middies to beat their guy and find the right look", its simply just not happening.

i dont know if this is too critical to say, but i always have a feeling of worry whenever our offense gets the ball, simply because i wonder if they will score, or turn the ball over. I've never had that feeling before in the 8 years following this program. AND this is even including 2015 when they lost Justin Ward and his class of players, but had returning pieces in the attack and midfield line of Sirico, Pontrello, Sherlock, Dennis.
+1

The question is has anything changed since Spencer... Has Vanarsdale changed his offensive philosophy to meet the needs of the current players. If you remember correctly this is how we started out last year, nothing has changed... bad passes, no middie play, turnovers.... Army, Navy (2x), Towson and Georgetown coming up. We need to win at least 4
I'd like to add and say that in the modern era, great teams have a guy who can be the QB of the offense to make the right reads, execute the right timed pass, or just create a scoring opportunity on his own. UNC has Gray, MD has Bernhardt, Hopkins for a while had the two Stanwicks, PSU had Ament, HPU has Asher Nolting. Princeton/Duke has Sowers. Denver has Morrill. All very capable guys

Look what happened to UNC during the years they didn't have an X attackman, their offense sputtered.

Obviously Spencer was our X guy for 4 years, Ward was the guy for his time. the question for 2020 and 2021- WHO is the X attackman for Loyola
Where to begin? I’ve been mulling this game over and over in mind. I agree so far with what everyone has said on this post after the Lehigh game.

First, credit Lehigh with the win; pressing defense, very good play by the goalie (very good), keeping possession of the ball by winning 16 out of 19 face offs, and slowing down the game. That strategy and execution worked in their favor. Also, Lehigh had that opportune goal with the shot clock winding down right before the end of the first half. And if I recall correctly, uncharacteristic turnovers at the worst possible time for Loyola. Maybe the backbreaker was at the end of the first, playing 9 0n 9, when Hounds had a chance to tie, but turned the ball over within 10 seconds. Although Lehigh does not convert, it is a wasted opportunity for the Hounds. Defense did its job but all of the breaks seemed to go Lehigh’s way and they had excellent clock management. You knew we were in for a tough day when the Hounds only had the ball for about 10 seconds within the first 8 minutes. Lehigh D was well rested and thus seemed a step faster on the gb.

I just don’t believe Savio was 100% on Saturday. He’s the guy who wins four straight to engineer the comeback win over Richmond, and almost draws even against LaSalla/UVA. But give a huge amount of credit to Sissleberger - beast mode on Saturday against one of the nation’s best. Remember how good Towson was with Woodall, but ever since….? Hope Savio can get a breather because we need him down the stretch.

Can’t ask the Hounds defense and goalie to do much more. And can’t really make any excuses anymore about practice time, bus rides, etc…. It is what it is. Maybe Hounds really do miss Kamish at Attack and when he returns James can go back to the middie line. These guys did put up 12 against UVA and 20 against Utah as HoundAce pointed out. These mids have made plays before, they just need to make more of them. Throw this game away and focus on the next one.

Maybe it’s time to recognize that the rest of the League has caught up with Loyola in talent and there is not a lot of separation between the top 4 or 5 teams. Lehigh had excellent ball movement and their middies looked more imposing against our SSDMs. Tape don’t lie.

Right now Army is really good. Lehigh is better than Loyola. And I wouldn’t bet against Navy. Not yet anyway. Hound mentality has to change. Just putting on the green and white doesn’t guarantee a win. Several teams in the Patriot are now equal in talent IMO.

Believe I’ve simply reiterated what others have said so far, and I do believe we are missing that key ingredient at X that has been pointed out - the QB who can make something happen. We don’t have it yet and maybe we won’t get it. Who knows?

For several years now Loyola has had the target on their back and every team circled game day. They knew they were playing the best team in the league. The Hounds now find themselves in a different situation. No longer the hunted, they have to become the hunter. It’s a different mind set but one which can help them through this season. And I really believe the outcome will be different if Loyola get the opportunity to play Lehigh in the conference tourney. Stats should tell you that the game should have been a blow out. It wasn’t.

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:59 pm
by NovaHound
NovaHound wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:56 pm
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am
laxbro11 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:10 am
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:50 am
laxbro11 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:40 pm The hound nation is awful quiet. What can we do to improve
1. Play aggressive lacrosse. Gbs wins games.
2. Better passing and catching. They are not crisp and it throws the tempo of the offense off. These are basics
3. Better shot selection. Hitting the goalie in the chest is a turn over.
4. Turn overs.
5. Run an offense. Once around the horn and shoot after 30 second is not helping
6. D played good enough to win. But when they ball was always in their end because the offense could not hold onto the ball.

Army. Navy. Bucknell will all be tough games if something dies not change. The offensive players are not getting it done. To keep doing the same thing over and over is insanity. Shake up the middies.
I think the hardest part for me to process is that the offense is just so inconsistent. How does the team put up 12 goals against UVA, 20 against Utah, but only 6 against Lehigh? Credit Lehigh, they deserved to win and played excellent. Dominated the GB category, and Faceoffs.

Like what laxbro11 said, Loyola D played good enough to win. But a defense can only be so strong until something cracks, and its up to the offense to keep the pace going.

How many times did the middies take a 20 yard shot after a split dodge or on the run? Lehigh's goalie played very well yesterday but some of those shots were straight to his chest/and or stick. Lehigh D, SNUFFED our attack unit. I think Olmstead had more turnovers than points. James got shut out.

For the talk of "we need our middies to beat their guy and find the right look", its simply just not happening.

i dont know if this is too critical to say, but i always have a feeling of worry whenever our offense gets the ball, simply because i wonder if they will score, or turn the ball over. I've never had that feeling before in the 8 years following this program. AND this is even including 2015 when they lost Justin Ward and his class of players, but had returning pieces in the attack and midfield line of Sirico, Pontrello, Sherlock, Dennis.
+1

The question is has anything changed since Spencer... Has Vanarsdale changed his offensive philosophy to meet the needs of the current players. If you remember correctly this is how we started out last year, nothing has changed... bad passes, no middie play, turnovers.... Army, Navy (2x), Towson and Georgetown coming up. We need to win at least 4
I'd like to add and say that in the modern era, great teams have a guy who can be the QB of the offense to make the right reads, execute the right timed pass, or just create a scoring opportunity on his own. UNC has Gray, MD has Bernhardt, Hopkins for a while had the two Stanwicks, PSU had Ament, HPU has Asher Nolting. Princeton/Duke has Sowers. Denver has Morrill. All very capable guys

Look what happened to UNC during the years they didn't have an X attackman, their offense sputtered.

Obviously Spencer was our X guy for 4 years, Ward was the guy for his time. the question for 2020 and 2021- WHO is the X attackman for Loyola
Where to begin? I’ve been mulling this game over and over in mind. I agree so far with what everyone has said on this post after the Lehigh game.

First, credit Lehigh with the win; pressing defense, very good play by the goalie (very good), keeping possession of the ball by winning 16 out of 19 face offs, and slowing down the game. That strategy and execution worked in their favor. Also, Lehigh had that opportune goal with the shot clock winding down right before the end of the first half. And if I recall correctly, uncharacteristic turnovers at the worst possible time for Loyola. Maybe the backbreaker was at the end of the first, playing 9 0n 9, when Hounds had a chance to tie, but turned the ball over within 10 seconds. Although Lehigh does not convert, it is a wasted opportunity for the Hounds. Defense did its job but all of the breaks seemed to go Lehigh’s way and they had excellent clock management. You knew we were in for a tough day when the Hounds only had the ball for about 10 seconds within the first 8 minutes. Lehigh D was well rested and thus seemed a step faster on the gb.

I just don’t believe Savio was 100% on Saturday. He’s the guy who wins four straight to engineer the comeback win over Richmond, and almost draws even against LaSalla/UVA. But give a huge amount of credit to Sissleberger - beast mode on Saturday against one of the nation’s best. Remember how good Towson was with Woodall, but ever since….? Hope Savio can get a breather because we need him down the stretch.

Can’t ask the Hounds defense and goalie to do much more. And can’t really make any excuses anymore about practice time, bus rides, etc…. It is what it is. Maybe Hounds really do miss Kamish at Attack and when he returns James can go back to the middie line. These guys did put up 12 against UVA and 20 against Utah as HoundAce pointed out. These mids have made plays before, they just need to make more of them. Throw this game away and focus on the next one.

Maybe it’s time to recognize that the rest of the League has caught up with Loyola in talent and there is not a lot of separation between the top 4 or 5 teams. Lehigh had excellent ball movement and their middies looked more imposing against our SSDMs. Tape don’t lie.

Right now Army is really good. Lehigh is better than Loyola. And I wouldn’t bet against Navy. Not yet anyway. Hound mentality has to change. Just putting on the green and white doesn’t guarantee a win. Several teams in the Patriot are now equal in talent IMO.

Believe I’ve simply reiterated what others have said so far, and I do believe we are missing that key ingredient at X that has been pointed out - the QB who can make something happen. We don’t have it yet and maybe we won’t get it. Who knows?

For several years now Loyola has had the target on their back and every team circled game day. They knew they were playing the best team in the league. The Hounds now find themselves in a different situation. No longer the hunted, they have to become the hunter. It’s a different mind set but one which can help them through this season. And I really believe the outcome will be different if Loyola gets the opportunity to play Lehigh in the conference tourney. Stats should tell you that the game should have been a blow out. It wasn’t.

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 5:31 pm
by houndace1
jrn19 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:58 pm
10stone5 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:02 pm
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am
laxbro11 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:10 am
houndace1 wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:50 am
laxbro11 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:40 pm The hound nation is awful quiet. What can we do to improve
1. Play aggressive lacrosse. Gbs wins games.
2. Better passing and catching. They are not crisp and it throws the tempo of the offense off. These are basics
3. Better shot selection. Hitting the goalie in the chest is a turn over.
4. Turn overs.
5. Run an offense. Once around the horn and shoot after 30 second is not helping
6. D played good enough to win. But when they ball was always in their end because the offense could not hold onto the ball.

Army. Navy. Bucknell will all be tough games if something dies not change. The offensive players are not getting it done. To keep doing the same thing over and over is insanity. Shake up the middies.
I think the hardest part for me to process is that the offense is just so inconsistent. How does the team put up 12 goals against UVA, 20 against Utah, but only 6 against Lehigh? Credit Lehigh, they deserved to win and played excellent. Dominated the GB category, and Faceoffs.

Like what laxbro11 said, Loyola D played good enough to win. But a defense can only be so strong until something cracks, and its up to the offense to keep the pace going.

How many times did the middies take a 20 yard shot after a split dodge or on the run? Lehigh's goalie played very well yesterday but some of those shots were straight to his chest/and or stick. Lehigh D, SNUFFED our attack unit. I think Olmstead had more turnovers than points. James got shut out.

For the talk of "we need our middies to beat their guy and find the right look", its simply just not happening.

i dont know if this is too critical to say, but i always have a feeling of worry whenever our offense gets the ball, simply because i wonder if they will score, or turn the ball over. I've never had that feeling before in the 8 years following this program. AND this is even including 2015 when they lost Justin Ward and his class of players, but had returning pieces in the attack and midfield line of Sirico, Pontrello, Sherlock, Dennis.
+1

The question is has anything changed since Spencer... Has Vanarsdale changed his offensive philosophy to meet the needs of the current players. If you remember correctly this is how we started out last year, nothing has changed... bad passes, no middie play, turnovers.... Army, Navy (2x), Towson and Georgetown coming up. We need to win at least 4
I'd like to add and say that in the modern era, great teams have a guy who can be the QB of the offense to make the right reads, execute the right timed pass, or just create a scoring opportunity on his own. UNC has Gray, MD has Bernhardt, Hopkins for a while had the two Stanwicks, PSU had Ament, HPU has Asher Nolting. Princeton/Duke has Sowers. Denver has Morrill. All very capable guys

Look what happened to UNC during the years they didn't have an X attackman, their offense sputtered.

Obviously Spencer was our X guy for 4 years, Ward was the guy for his time. the question for 2020 and 2021- WHO is the X attackman for Loyola
Or also, take the Connor Kelly approach from up top,
if you can find a player like that,

I saw a couple teams employ the Connor Kelly approach
with success.
The common thread with either approach is a First Team All-American type guy is what’s required. At least to win a title. To be a week in, week out Top 10 team you need at least a Top 10-ish at their position guy.

Loyola just doesn’t have that. Olmstead’s a good player but he’s in his 4th year now. Senior year leaps aren’t uncommon but they’re usually from very good to great or great to elite. Not from good to elite.

The approach does seem fragmented and I struggle to tell what their identity is but no matter how you slice it they don’t have a guy who you could credibly argue as a Top 10 attackmen or midfielder in the country and that’s gonna lower your ceiling as an offense no matter how you choose to play
The thing that frustrates me is that it seems like he hasn't added anything to his game. I'm sure he works very very hard, but if hes supposed to be the QB replacement after Spencer left, then where is it?? where is the skillset he had in HS where he got good reviews of being a good QB attackman? Where has his game changed from freshman year to now?

I just don't see any new wrinkles. Its always attack from behind to do the diving goal, or a dodge from the wing off a pick that doesn't go anywhere.

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:11 pm
by NovaHound
User error on earlier entry. Let me put this in the right place.

Where to begin? I’ve been mulling this game over and over in mind. I agree so far with what everyone has said on this post after the Lehigh game.

First, credit Lehigh with the win; pressing defense, very good play by the goalie (very good), keeping possession of the ball by winning 16 out of 19 face offs, and slowing down the game. That strategy and execution worked in their favor. Also, Lehigh had that opportune goal with the shot clock winding down right before the end of the first half. And if I recall correctly, uncharacteristic turnovers at the worst possible time for Loyola. Maybe the backbreaker was at the end of the first, playing 9 0n 9, when Hounds had a chance to tie, but turned the ball over within 10 seconds. Although Lehigh does not convert, it is a wasted opportunity for the Hounds. Defense did its job but all of the breaks seemed to go Lehigh’s way and they had excellent clock management. You knew we were in for a tough day when the Hounds only had the ball for about 10 seconds within the first 8 minutes. Lehigh D was well rested and thus seemed a step faster on the gb.

I just don’t believe Savio was 100% on Saturday. He’s the guy who wins four straight to engineer the comeback win over Richmond, and almost draws even against LaSalla/UVA. But give a huge amount of credit to Sissleberger - beast mode on Saturday against one of the nation’s best. Remember how good Towson was with Woodall, but ever since….? Hope Savio can get a breather because we need him down the stretch.

Can’t ask the Hounds defense and goalie to do much more. And can’t really make any excuses anymore about practice time, bus rides, etc…. It is what it is. Maybe Hounds really do miss Kamish at Attack and when he returns James can go back to the middie line. These guys did put up 12 against UVA and 20 against Utah as HoundAce pointed out. These mids have made plays before, they just need to make more of them. Throw this game away and focus on the next one.

Maybe it’s time to recognize that the rest of the League has caught up with Loyola in talent and there is not a lot of separation between the top 4 or 5 teams. Lehigh had excellent ball movement and their middies looked more imposing against our SSDMs. Tape don’t lie.

Right now Army is really good. Lehigh is better than Loyola. And I wouldn’t bet against Navy. Not yet anyway. Hound mentality has to change. Just putting on the green and white doesn’t guarantee a win. Several teams in the Patriot are now equal in talent IMO.

Believe I’ve simply reiterated what others have said so far, and I do believe we are missing that key ingredient at X that has been pointed out - the QB who can make something happen. We don’t have it yet and maybe we won’t get it. Who knows?

For several years now Loyola has had the target on their back and every team circled game day. They knew they were playing the best team in the league. The Hounds now find themselves in a different situation. No longer the hunted, they have to become the hunter. It’s a different mind set but one which can help them through this season. And I really believe the outcome will be different if Loyola gets the opportunity to play Lehigh in the conference tourney. Stats should tell you that the game should have been a blow out. It wasn’t.

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:57 am
by NovaHound
I forgot to add one thing, "I'm just relieved the lacrosse season is underway and these athletes are playing the sport they love."

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:00 am
by Laxfan#1969
NovaHound wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:11 pm User error on earlier entry. Let me put this in the right place.

Where to begin? I’ve been mulling this game over and over in mind. I agree so far with what everyone has said on this post after the Lehigh game.

First, credit Lehigh with the win; pressing defense, very good play by the goalie (very good), keeping possession of the ball by winning 16 out of 19 face offs, and slowing down the game. That strategy and execution worked in their favor. Also, Lehigh had that opportune goal with the shot clock winding down right before the end of the first half. And if I recall correctly, uncharacteristic turnovers at the worst possible time for Loyola. Maybe the backbreaker was at the end of the first, playing 9 0n 9, when Hounds had a chance to tie, but turned the ball over within 10 seconds. Although Lehigh does not convert, it is a wasted opportunity for the Hounds. Defense did its job but all of the breaks seemed to go Lehigh’s way and they had excellent clock management. You knew we were in for a tough day when the Hounds only had the ball for about 10 seconds within the first 8 minutes. Lehigh D was well rested and thus seemed a step faster on the gb.

I just don’t believe Savio was 100% on Saturday. He’s the guy who wins four straight to engineer the comeback win over Richmond, and almost draws even against LaSalla/UVA. But give a huge amount of credit to Sissleberger - beast mode on Saturday against one of the nation’s best. Remember how good Towson was with Woodall, but ever since….? Hope Savio can get a breather because we need him down the stretch.

Can’t ask the Hounds defense and goalie to do much more. And can’t really make any excuses anymore about practice time, bus rides, etc…. It is what it is. Maybe Hounds really do miss Kamish at Attack and when he returns James can go back to the middie line. These guys did put up 12 against UVA and 20 against Utah as HoundAce pointed out. These mids have made plays before, they just need to make more of them. Throw this game away and focus on the next one.

Maybe it’s time to recognize that the rest of the League has caught up with Loyola in talent and there is not a lot of separation between the top 4 or 5 teams. Lehigh had excellent ball movement and their middies looked more imposing against our SSDMs. Tape don’t lie.

Right now Army is really good. Lehigh is better than Loyola. And I wouldn’t bet against Navy. Not yet anyway. Hound mentality has to change. Just putting on the green and white doesn’t guarantee a win. Several teams in the Patriot are now equal in talent IMO.

Believe I’ve simply reiterated what others have said so far, and I do believe we are missing that key ingredient at X that has been pointed out - the QB who can make something happen. We don’t have it yet and maybe we won’t get it. Who knows?

For several years now Loyola has had the target on their back and every team circled game day. They knew they were playing the best team in the league. The Hounds now find themselves in a different situation. No longer the hunted, they have to become the hunter. It’s a different mind set but one which can help them through this season. And I really believe the outcome will be different if Loyola gets the opportunity to play Lehigh in the conference tourney. Stats should tell you that the game should have been a blow out. It wasn’t.
Does anyone know when Kamish is coming back? If you don't think this team misses him, youre crazy...he was trending into being our best ball carrier already last year as a freshman and his athleticism is arguably tops of anyone on our offense...we need him back ASAP...we will do fine without him vs Lafayette (same level of team as Utah), but I sure hope he's back next week vs Bucknell and he's healthy...we need him period...not even debatable

We robbed Peter to pay Paul by putting James at attack and I get it, we had to because we're thin due to attrition and injury... frankly if you want run Kamish out of the box, then great...he will be our best downhill dodger immediately when he returns...he was one of our top 3-4 offensive players coming into the season, and injury (if he makes a full recovery) won't change that...we need him back...we are a better team with him on the field

And it goes with out saying when you get slammed at the face off x, it's gonna be tough to win

Our defense hung in as best the could...played hard...but we need to win the ground ball battles and be the tougher team...

We will be fine this weekend v Lafayette...but I'm looking beyond that

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:42 am
by houndace1
Laxfan#1969 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:00 am
NovaHound wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:11 pm User error on earlier entry. Let me put this in the right place.

Where to begin? I’ve been mulling this game over and over in mind. I agree so far with what everyone has said on this post after the Lehigh game.

First, credit Lehigh with the win; pressing defense, very good play by the goalie (very good), keeping possession of the ball by winning 16 out of 19 face offs, and slowing down the game. That strategy and execution worked in their favor. Also, Lehigh had that opportune goal with the shot clock winding down right before the end of the first half. And if I recall correctly, uncharacteristic turnovers at the worst possible time for Loyola. Maybe the backbreaker was at the end of the first, playing 9 0n 9, when Hounds had a chance to tie, but turned the ball over within 10 seconds. Although Lehigh does not convert, it is a wasted opportunity for the Hounds. Defense did its job but all of the breaks seemed to go Lehigh’s way and they had excellent clock management. You knew we were in for a tough day when the Hounds only had the ball for about 10 seconds within the first 8 minutes. Lehigh D was well rested and thus seemed a step faster on the gb.

I just don’t believe Savio was 100% on Saturday. He’s the guy who wins four straight to engineer the comeback win over Richmond, and almost draws even against LaSalla/UVA. But give a huge amount of credit to Sissleberger - beast mode on Saturday against one of the nation’s best. Remember how good Towson was with Woodall, but ever since….? Hope Savio can get a breather because we need him down the stretch.

Can’t ask the Hounds defense and goalie to do much more. And can’t really make any excuses anymore about practice time, bus rides, etc…. It is what it is. Maybe Hounds really do miss Kamish at Attack and when he returns James can go back to the middie line. These guys did put up 12 against UVA and 20 against Utah as HoundAce pointed out. These mids have made plays before, they just need to make more of them. Throw this game away and focus on the next one.

Maybe it’s time to recognize that the rest of the League has caught up with Loyola in talent and there is not a lot of separation between the top 4 or 5 teams. Lehigh had excellent ball movement and their middies looked more imposing against our SSDMs. Tape don’t lie.

Right now Army is really good. Lehigh is better than Loyola. And I wouldn’t bet against Navy. Not yet anyway. Hound mentality has to change. Just putting on the green and white doesn’t guarantee a win. Several teams in the Patriot are now equal in talent IMO.

Believe I’ve simply reiterated what others have said so far, and I do believe we are missing that key ingredient at X that has been pointed out - the QB who can make something happen. We don’t have it yet and maybe we won’t get it. Who knows?

For several years now Loyola has had the target on their back and every team circled game day. They knew they were playing the best team in the league. The Hounds now find themselves in a different situation. No longer the hunted, they have to become the hunter. It’s a different mind set but one which can help them through this season. And I really believe the outcome will be different if Loyola gets the opportunity to play Lehigh in the conference tourney. Stats should tell you that the game should have been a blow out. It wasn’t.
Does anyone know when Kamish is coming back? If you don't think this team misses him, youre crazy...he was trending into being our best ball carrier already last year as a freshman and his athleticism is arguably tops of anyone on our offense...we need him back ASAP...we will do fine without him vs Lafayette (same level of team as Utah), but I sure hope he's back next week vs Bucknell and he's healthy...we need him period...not even debatable

We robbed Peter to pay Paul by putting James at attack and I get it, we had to because we're thin due to attrition and injury... frankly if you want run Kamish out of the box, then great...he will be our best downhill dodger immediately when he returns...he was one of our top 3-4 offensive players coming into the season, and injury (if he makes a full recovery) won't change that...we need him back...we are a better team with him on the field

And it goes with out saying when you get slammed at the face off x, it's gonna be tough to win

Our defense hung in as best the could...played hard...but we need to win the ground ball battles and be the tougher team...

We will be fine this weekend v Lafayette...but I'm looking beyond that
And if we're not fine against Lafayette.. then what? The offense worries me every game

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:12 pm
by kramerica.inc
You get out of offensive slumps by getting GBs and creating more possessions, not JUST shooting better.
Right now our GB leaders are McNulty and the close defenders.
Evan James has shown up in that category. The other middies need to get on board too. Wanna contribute to this team? Wanna help them get in W column this week? Put your head over a GB!

:D

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:28 pm
by GreyingHound
Laxfan#1969 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:00 am
Does anyone know when Kamish is coming back? If you don't think this team misses him, youre crazy...he was trending into being our best ball carrier already last year as a freshman and his athleticism is arguably tops of anyone on our offense...we need him back ASAP...we will do fine without him vs Lafayette (same level of team as Utah), but I sure hope he's back next week vs Bucknell and he's healthy...we need him period...not even debatable

We robbed Peter to pay Paul by putting James at attack and I get it, we had to because we're thin due to attrition and injury... frankly if you want run Kamish out of the box, then great...he will be our best downhill dodger immediately when he returns...he was one of our top 3-4 offensive players coming into the season, and injury (if he makes a full recovery) won't change that...we need him back...we are a better team with him on the field

And it goes with out saying when you get slammed at the face off x, it's gonna be tough to win

Our defense hung in as best the could...played hard...but we need to win the ground ball battles and be the tougher team...

We will be fine this weekend v Lafayette...but I'm looking beyond that
I may be crazy, but I think James is more effective down low than Kamish was. I would leave James on attack. To me, having Wigley back in the lineup would have a bigger impact than Kamish. We need middies who can dodge and draw a slide. Wigley can do that. We've seen a middie here and there step up and have a good game. It was Swindell against Lehigh, and Seay against Richmond, but they're not playing as a unit by any means. I don't know why Cox is still out there.

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:12 pm
by GreyingHound
houndace1 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:42 am
Laxfan#1969 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:00 am
We will be fine this weekend v Lafayette...but I'm looking beyond that
And if we're not fine against Lafayette.. then what? The offense worries me every game
LOL. We'll be fine against Lafayette. Not to be too disparaging, but Lafayette is not a good team. I watched their game against Fairfield today ("working from home"), and they have some skilled players, but, and I don't know any other way to say this, they don't appear to be a well-coached team. They made mistakes today that I wouldn't expect from a high school team. Most egregious, they were EMO with 5 seconds left in the 2nd quarter, and rather than just holding the ball for the final seconds and being assured to start the second half without faceoff and man-up, they tried to jam a pass inside that was intercepted. Their clearing game was horrendous.

We won't have any trouble with Lafayette, and I hope it's an opportunity for out starters to get healthy.

Re: Loyola Greyhounds 2021

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:54 am
by laxbro11
GreyingHound wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:12 pm
houndace1 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:42 am
Laxfan#1969 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:00 am
We will be fine this weekend v Lafayette...but I'm looking beyond that
And if we're not fine against Lafayette.. then what? The offense worries me every game
LOL. We'll be fine against Lafayette. Not to be too disparaging, but Lafayette is not a good team. I watched their game against Fairfield today ("working from home"), and they have some skilled players, but, and I don't know any other way to say this, they don't appear to be a well-coached team. They made mistakes today that I wouldn't expect from a high school team. Most egregious, they were EMO with 5 seconds left in the 2nd quarter, and rather than just holding the ball for the final seconds and being assured to start the second half without faceoff and man-up, they tried to jam a pass inside that was intercepted. Their clearing game was horrendous.

We won't have any trouble with Lafayette, and I hope it's an opportunity for out starters to get healthy.
That is the problem, we are fine against below average teams, but struggle against average to above average. There is no sense of urgency on this team. It really looks like they are playing for their own stats and not to win as a team. That was what was great about Pat Spencer, he was just as happy to get an assist as he was a goal. All our middies think that they can take a 20+ step down and put it by the goalie. It has not happened. Look at shooting percentages. Van Arsdale has not changed anything in two years. The same players are doing the same things they did last year. It is time to change things up, get some chemistry, if it means not playing Srs or Jrs, bench them... It may set a fire under them and make them more competitive.

Your offense should be focused around the strength of the team, not trying to make the players fit an offense