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wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:55 pm

Parputt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:34 am Many on here making arguments seem only focused on who is "dying" from this disease. Its much more complicated that that. This disease ravages the body in some patients (all ages) and leaves in its wake many issues and complications that we still don't know the long tern effects of. For many even young people once they test negative, there seems to be lingering effects to the organs and nervous system that some are fighting for months after. unfortunately no simple answer and maybe not even a right one.

it's a data point. lingering complications are another. social, economic, educational and related health issues (of not being in school but rather cooped up) are others, along with dozens more. what you're saying is parallel to "i don't hear people advocating or playing devil's advocate for no school talking about the adverse effects of not being in school for students who otherwise will fall ill to any number of other problems as a result of a no school mandate".

we do a cost benefit analysis for most things that we do, consciously and unconsciously.

the complications point is unknown and guesstimated if even that. feel free to throw it out there along with all the others. what is the data on health complications? i would imagine most understand there are other potential health issues.

harflax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:52 pm Stanford is dropping 11 varsity sports at end of 2020-21 — men’s and women’s fencing, field hockey, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, coed and women’s sailing, squash, men’s volleyball, wrestling and synchronized swimming.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:07 pm

harflax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:52 pm Stanford is dropping 11 varsity sports at end of 2020-21 — men’s and women’s fencing, field hockey, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, coed and women’s sailing, squash, men’s volleyball, wrestling and synchronized swimming.

incredible.
28 billion dollar endowment. no need to detail that many endowment dollars are earmarked. out of 28 billion dollars, i'd imagine they could negotiate some of that and find a few bucks to cover years of "losses" in the non-revenue sports.

did they announce athletic department staff (not coaches) and admin cuts to salaries and jobs concurrently with this?

harflax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:52 pm Stanford is dropping 11 varsity sports at end of 2020-21 — men’s and women’s fencing, field hockey, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, coed and women’s sailing, squash, men’s volleyball, wrestling and synchronized swimming.

Drcthru wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:23 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:07 pm

harflax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:52 pm Stanford is dropping 11 varsity sports at end of 2020-21 — men’s and women’s fencing, field hockey, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, coed and women’s sailing, squash, men’s volleyball, wrestling and synchronized swimming.

incredible.
28 billion dollar endowment. no need to detail that many endowment dollars are earmarked. out of 28 billion dollars, i'd imagine they could negotiate some of that and find a few bucks to cover years of "losses" in the non-revenue sports.

did they announce athletic department staff (not coaches) and admin cuts to salaries and jobs concurrently with this?

Some endowment funds have guidelines stating how much of each year's investment income can be spent. For many universities, this amount is approximately 5% of the endowment's total asset value.

Drcthru wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:23 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:07 pm

harflax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:52 pm Stanford is dropping 11 varsity sports at end of 2020-21 — men’s and women’s fencing, field hockey, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, coed and women’s sailing, squash, men’s volleyball, wrestling and synchronized swimming.

incredible.
28 billion dollar endowment. no need to detail that many endowment dollars are earmarked. out of 28 billion dollars, i'd imagine they could negotiate some of that and find a few bucks to cover years of "losses" in the non-revenue sports.

did they announce athletic department staff (not coaches) and admin cuts to salaries and jobs concurrently with this?

Some endowment funds have guidelines stating how much of each year's investment income can be spent. For many universities, this amount is approximately 5% of the endowment's total asset value.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:43 pm The sailing coach who was arrested at Stanford for getting paid to let rich kids in, John Vandermoer, was a floor below me FR year at Hobart. Was NOT surprised at all he was mixed up in that but it looks like Men's sailing was somehow spared?

steel_hop wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:07 am

JBFortunato wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:45 am

pcowlax wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:37 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:03 am

Wheels wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:51 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:05 pm

Can Opener wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:47 pm At this point, there seem to be only two real options. 1. Re-open in full and deal with the consequences. 2. Close the school for a year. There is no way students are receiving real value for these half-a$$ solutions.
#nogoodoptions

fewer than 200 in the usa under 24 have died of covid.

College aged kids are prime carriers of it. If only universities had to worry about students getting sick. Throw in several hundred to several thousand employees, and college campuses could be death traps for employees. Might not exactly be the best look for colleges.

there's a lot of known things. and ways to avoid problems as much as possible.
hahvahd just said the students that are on campus will be tested every 3 days. one of the first testing announcements, but looks like there could be "robust" testing contracts.

vulnerable employees could be separated, retrained on something else, putbon paid leave, older professors just do classes virtually, TAs conduct in person classes, don't serve as much food... on and on and on.

Yes to all this. There are indeed older profs who are at risk but how many of them are routinely within 6 feet of their students? How many of them are otherwise locked in their homes if they aren’t teaching? They are more at risk in the grocery store than at the front of a large lecture hall, even if students in the room have it. Virtually every other business/profession also has older workers at higher risk and is managing to find a way to still function. Yes college kids are highly likely to closely socialize and pass it around but they are also able to be tested more frequently and comprehensively. Have everyone wear a mask. Don’t have older teachers get close to students. For the very few who teach subjects where it can’t be avoided, get TAs. Would that compromise the quality of those few classes? Quite possibly yes. So what? Everyone is having to adjust and make sacrifices. The answer is not just shutting it down. Virtually every college kid who gets it will be fine. More college students die annually of accidents and alcohol poisoning than would from COVID even if schools were all fully open. At my university hospital docs over 70 were kept home during the worst of it. They didn’t like it. The world kept spinning, admitted cases are now down >95%, they are back to work and the world goes on. Bring the students back, open the schools and just frikkin adjust as need be.

Amen.

Approximately 112,000 Americans have died from Covid, 142 of those were age 15-24, and I can only assume that many had pre-existing health issues. During that same time period 51 people age 15-24 died of Influenza. Not to mention car accidents, other accidents, other disease, suicide and on and on. People die, and it's sad, and by discussing the data no one wishes to diminish the value of the lives lost, or the suffering those people endured. But the overall risk to college students from Covid is demonstrably and incontrovertibly tiny.

Moreover, as pointed out, there are workarounds to the risks on college campuses, even in athletics, and every student and professor should have the choice to do whatever they are comfortable doing. If you don't feel comfortable playing lacrosse this season, just don't play. Sit this year out.

It is my belief that the collateral damage to our young people associated with locking them in their homes, preventing them from spending time with friends and participating in athletics, and degrading their college experience is and will be a far, far more serious threat to their well being than Covid.

Couldn't agree with this more. Ran into another parent of kids in my school. And the parent simply asked "how much more can I ask of my kids to sacrifice because these steps have real long term consequences" Vulnerable people should be protected as much as possible but everyone else should move more back to a normal setting. In my neck of the woods,70% of the people that have died were living in nursing homes. 15% more were over the age of 70. The median age of those dying in my area is 83. That is awful, no two ways about it but it shouldn't stop my kids from going to school or playing youth sports in a responsible manner.

Parputt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:34 am Many on here making arguments seem only focused on who is "dying" from this disease. Its much more complicated that that. This disease ravages the body in some patients (all ages) and leaves in its wake many issues and complications that we still don't know the long tern effects of. For many even young people once they test negative, there seems to be lingering effects to the organs and nervous system that some are fighting for months after. unfortunately no simple answer and maybe not even a right one.

cc2519 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:26 pm

Parputt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:34 am Many on here making arguments seem only focused on who is "dying" from this disease. Its much more complicated that that. This disease ravages the body in some patients (all ages) and leaves in its wake many issues and complications that we still don't know the long tern effects of. For many even young people once they test negative, there seems to be lingering effects to the organs and nervous system that some are fighting for months after. unfortunately no simple answer and maybe not even a right one.

Please, with all due respect - stop. Go look at the potential "long term complications" for the seasonal flu. They are just as bad. It's this kind of desire for a risk-free life that is DESTROYING businesses, livelihoods and lives.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:54 pm

cc2519 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:26 pm

Parputt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:34 am Many on here making arguments seem only focused on who is "dying" from this disease. Its much more complicated that that. This disease ravages the body in some patients (all ages) and leaves in its wake many issues and complications that we still don't know the long tern effects of. For many even young people once they test negative, there seems to be lingering effects to the organs and nervous system that some are fighting for months after. unfortunately no simple answer and maybe not even a right one.

Please, with all due respect - stop. Go look at the potential "long term complications" for the seasonal flu. They are just as bad. It's this kind of desire for a risk-free life that is DESTROYING businesses, livelihoods and lives.

Sciophobia

laxpere wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:26 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:43 pm The sailing coach who was arrested at Stanford for getting paid to let rich kids in, John Vandermoer, was a floor below me FR year at Hobart. Was NOT surprised at all he was mixed up in that but it looks like Men's sailing was somehow spared?

Interesting that you know Vandermoer. It looks like there isn't a men's sailing team, just coed and women's sailing teams. Both were axed, or rather defunded.

Not sure whether it played a role in landing the men's rowing team on the defunding list, but it seems like the rowing coach may have been close enough to Singer to trigger red flags, according to the NYT. They wrote an article about the admission scandal and highlighted that he "retired" abruptly last year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/17/spor ... andal.html

Total program cost, which includes extensive travel for most of the defunded sports, was one part of the equation for selecting the programs, as was diversity. Given the increasing importance placed on it, my guess is that diversity played a significant role.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:35 pm

laxpere wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:26 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:43 pm The sailing coach who was arrested at Stanford for getting paid to let rich kids in, John Vandermoer, was a floor below me FR year at Hobart. Was NOT surprised at all he was mixed up in that but it looks like Men's sailing was somehow spared?

Interesting that you know Vandermoer. It looks like there isn't a men's sailing team, just coed and women's sailing teams. Both were axed, or rather defunded.

Not sure whether it played a role in landing the men's rowing team on the defunding list, but it seems like the rowing coach may have been close enough to Singer to trigger red flags, according to the NYT. They wrote an article about the admission scandal and highlighted that he "retired" abruptly last year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/17/spor ... andal.html

Total program cost, which includes extensive travel for most of the defunded sports, was one part of the equation for selecting the programs, as was diversity. Given the increasing importance placed on it, my guess is that diversity played a significant role.

I don’t know Jack about sailing, had a couple of buddies in college, not John as his use began and ended at cutting up lines in his frat bedroom to give out. Assumed there was guys only but i guess it makes sense that it’s coed only.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:51 pm When you work from home and have had your kids home since March from early elementary school you take your shots when you can.