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https://lacrossebucket.com/2019/06/28/navy-and-richmond-hire-assistants/I think it's highly likely that the coach they will select was at most of those tourneys evaluating 2021's and with an eye on 2020's too, if a NESCAC coach. On announced commitments, Harvard strongly discourages its recruits from publishing their commitment anywhere, at least not until they get a letter from Admissions.Chips O'Toole wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:33 pmAll correct, and I know you are much more knowledgeable than I -- and most everyone -- on this. And yes, there are several big events left this summer. My point was that having no one representing Harvard at Showtime, Blackcard, Crabfeast, Big 4, Sweetlax, and probably Naptown and the other events next weekend, just doesn't strike me as optimal. All of their conference foes were at those events evaluating 2021s. And as I mentioned, IL shows Harvard as having THREE 2020 commits, but you obviously have inside info on some still unpublicized commits. If they do have a full 2020 class already locked up by Wojcic, then they will be fine. You're certainly right that their eventual coach will show up on day 1 with a robust set of evaluations of 2021s to work with come September.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:11 amParticularly big chuckle at the notion that most of the recruiting events are over. I'm not sure what folks thought were the major recruiting events, but I suspect they don't realize that the top ones are upcoming.
It's also puzzling that anyone thinks that kids are committing right now...anywhere...other than the last few rising seniors. The 2020 class is virtually done in the Ivies, and have been done since last fall. My hunch would be that Wojcik's 2020 class was already solid. Sure, there's a little bit of movement throughout the year, and can even be a little bit the summer and early fall pre actual ED admission applications, but if someone in that class can be persuaded to switch to Harvard they have plenty of time to do so.
The 2021 class can't be spoken to yet. So, zero kids have locked in commitments. And none of these coaches being discussed are unaware of who the top targets are for that class, as well as the rising potentials.
These are good reasons for a guy like Kirwan to stay right where he is for now. And also anyone else with a current secure position.faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:57 am The reality, unfortunately, is that the Harvard position is a star-crossed assignment. Between off field sensitivities, a new university president, major donor pressure and a ramped up Ivy League, it represents a significant career risk.
I'm sure Harvard will land a capable candidate, but others will likely demure.
Harvard had 7 Canadians on their 2019 ice hockey roster. .GBMan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:29 amSowell, on other hand, is a man without a job...doesn't seem like RS has much to lose here.faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:57 am The reality, unfortunately, is that the Harvard position is a star-crossed assignment. Between off field sensitivities, a new university president, major donor pressure and a ramped up Ivy League, it represents a significant career risk.
I'm sure Harvard will land a capable candidate, but others will likely demure.
.Not sure why you'd think it a greater career risk (or opportunity) than any of the other Ivies that have had turnover. Aren't those factors pretty similar to other Ivies? Are "off-field" sensitivities greater at Harvard than Yale or Brown or Princeton? Are expectations or donor pressures higher than at, say, Cornell?faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:57 am The reality, unfortunately, is that the Harvard position is a star-crossed assignment. Between off field sensitivities, a new university president, major donor pressure and a ramped up Ivy League, it represents a significant career risk.
I'm sure Harvard will land a capable candidate, but others will likely demure.
Hmmm, "Shay-like opportunity...." Well, it was the opportunity plus the patience: in Shay's first season, 2004, Yale were 1-5 in the Ivy, 6-8 overall. In 2008, Yale went 0-6 in the Ivy. Not until Shay's 7th season did Yale have a winning record both overall and in the league. Yale's first NCCA tourney win under Shay came in his 10th season, 2013, which was his only NCAA tourney win until that magical 2018 run. That being said, I agree with you, MDlaxfan76, that Harvard is a tremendous opportunity... and I'd rather see Dartmouth (or Columbia, for that matter, if it ever gets a team) break through than HU.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:57 pm ... Are "off-field" sensitivities greater at Harvard than Yale or Brown or Princeton? Are expectations or donor pressures higher than at, say, Cornell?
They're all facing "a ramped up Ivy League".
Seems to me HU represents a tremendous opportunity, just like Brown, PU, etc. Right guy could have a great run, either a Shay-like opportunity (certainly possible with HU's alumni base) or a step to a higher pay situation.
That said, I'm rooting for Dartmouth to break through, so fine with me if HU doesn't do so!
MD: I will send a PM. I'd prefer to be restrained on this thread. I agree that for the right guy it is a tremendous opportunity.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:57 pmNot sure why you'd think it a greater career risk (or opportunity) than any of the other Ivies that have had turnover. Aren't those factors pretty similar to other Ivies? Are "off-field" sensitivities greater at Harvard than Yale or Brown or Princeton? Are expectations or donor pressures higher than at, say, Cornell?faircornell wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:57 am The reality, unfortunately, is that the Harvard position is a star-crossed assignment. Between off field sensitivities, a new university president, major donor pressure and a ramped up Ivy League, it represents a significant career risk.
I'm sure Harvard will land a capable candidate, but others will likely demure.
They're all facing "a ramped up Ivy League".
Seems to me HU represents a tremendous opportunity, just like Brown, PU, etc. Right guy could have a great run, either a Shay-like opportunity (certainly possible with HU's alumni base) or a step to a higher pay situation.
That said, I'm rooting for Dartmouth to break through, so fine with me if HU doesn't do so!
By Shay-like opportunity, I meant the degree of financial support, and ultimately his personal pay check and the commitment to him. Not many Ivy coaches in the last few decades who have terrific success have stuck at the Ivy much beyond that success. Money was the biggest issue.FannOLax wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:22 pmHmmm, "Shay-like opportunity...." Well, it was the opportunity plus the patience: in Shay's first season, 2004, Yale were 1-5 in the Ivy, 6-8 overall. In 2008, Yale went 0-6 in the Ivy. Not until Shay's 7th season did Yale have a winning record both overall and in the league. Yale's first NCCA tourney win under Shay came in his 10th season, 2013, which was his only NCAA tourney win until that magical 2018 run. That being said, I agree with you, MDlaxfan76, that Harvard is a tremendous opportunity... and I'd rather see Dartmouth (or Columbia, for that matter, if it ever gets a team) break through than HU.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:57 pm ... Are "off-field" sensitivities greater at Harvard than Yale or Brown or Princeton? Are expectations or donor pressures higher than at, say, Cornell?
They're all facing "a ramped up Ivy League".
Seems to me HU represents a tremendous opportunity, just like Brown, PU, etc. Right guy could have a great run, either a Shay-like opportunity (certainly possible with HU's alumni base) or a step to a higher pay situation.
That said, I'm rooting for Dartmouth to break through, so fine with me if HU doesn't do so!