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afan :
It's how you know Barr is a partisan nutjob. He's playing the same game Hannity and Old Salt has been playing for the last three years:

....he's leaving out the key fact that the FBI was about to clear Trump of illegalities, and this entire investigation into Trump would have lasted a few short monthss. They did their jobs, investigated, found nothing, and were about to move on to other things.
The FBI passed up numerous off ramps to shut down Crossfire Hurricane before it went public.
Instead they persisted & leaked to the MSM.

Had they closed the investigation after they talked to Steele's sub-source in Jan '17, before they sought the 2nd & 3rd FISA applications, leaked Carter Page as the target, before they arrested Papadop & had they not included the Steele Dossier in the IC briefing to Trump (greenlighting it's MSM publication), the investigation would have been closed & we'd never have heard of Carter Page, Papadop or Steele.

They were overzealous in continuing the investigation.
Their leaks were the torpedoes that missed the target & circled back around to blow them up.
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We hate whistle blowers too.
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old salt wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:37 pm
The FBI passed up numerous off ramps to shut down Crossfire Hurricane before it went public.
Instead they persisted & leaked to the MSM.
I'll bite. When should they have shut it down? You have 10 months to choose from.

Which month should they have shut it down, and why?
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a fan wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:10 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:37 pm
The FBI passed up numerous off ramps to shut down Crossfire Hurricane before it went public.
Instead they persisted & leaked to the MSM.
I'll bite. When should they have shut it down? You have 10 months to choose from.

Which month should they have shut it down, and why?
Jan '17, after they interviewed Steele's sub-source & after they interviewed Papadop, before the 2nd FISA renewal, before they ambushed Flynn & Papadop.
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That's 5 months and 17 days in. Why then? Seems like an awful fast investigation.

And what should the FBI have done about finding out Flynn is lying about Russian meetings discussing sanctions in January? Open the case?

And what happens when the Times reports on Kushner's meeting with a Russian spy in July of 2017? Open the case again?
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a fan wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:34 pm That's 5 months and 17 days in. Why then? Seems like an awful fast investigation.

And what should the FBI have done about finding out Flynn is lying about Russian meetings discussing sanctions in January? Open the case?

And what happens when the Times reports on Kushner's meeting with a Russian spy in July of 2017? Open the case again?
It's also simply not how investigations work.
They stay open until it's clear there's no more to discover and/or it's definitely known that whatever the issue, it's resolution is known.
That wasn't the case at Salty's desired end.

Which doesn't mean they necessarily get the same level of resources as when the investigation is highly productive. But this also was a rather extraordinary situation in which there was a whole lot to be concerned about if actually true; something you very much want to prove definitively isn't true before you let up on the gas.

Sounds like the IG found it was reasonable to investigate, indeed quotes a key official saying something to the effect that it would have been a dereliction of duty not to investigate. Yet there were some troubling corners cut, errors and some actual egregious acts. But no bias one way or the other impacting any key decisions.

The primary Trump/FoxNation narrative refuted.

But issues in FISA process and management. Needs further auditing.

But for those with their proverbial knickers in a twist over the FISA issues, only Carter Page was a subject of such mistakes and he was never prosecuted. The notion that those 'abuses', troubling as they may be, had a darn thing to do with any other aspect of the investigation is flat bogus.

Carter Page (nutcase though he may be) has a legit axe to grind.
Trump does not.

Hired Manafort and Gates for no $...oops.

Lied about Trump Tower meeting...oops.

Lied about Moscow Tower interests...oops.

and on and on.
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....and who offered cash and other compensation to Manafort's partner Gates who is recommended for just probation for his cooperation with Mueller prosecutors (who undoubtedly know the answer to these questions because he didn't take the $$$)??? He is due to be sentenced next week.

and

​Michael Cohen filed a motion in federal court seeking a review of his prison sentence, citing his cooperation with Congress and investigations. Cohen’s lawyers contend that AG Barr and DOJ didn’t act in “good faith” out of “a pattern of blind loyalty to a Trump”

Well, whaddya know.....
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a fan wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:34 pm That's 5 months and 17 days in. Why then? Seems like an awful fast investigation.

And what should the FBI have done about finding out Flynn is lying about Russian meetings discussing sanctions in January? Open the case?

And what happens when the Times reports on Kushner's meeting with a Russian spy in July of 2017? Open the case again?
Because that's when they learned that the Steele Dossier was bogus. That's when they finally interviewed Papadop -- who knows why they waited 5 mos after opening the investigation based on what he supposedly told Downer. They already ran Halper at him. They didn't even interview Mifsud 'til Feb. They could have interviewed thea as soon as they opened the investigation. Time was of the essence, with an election looming.

Re Flynn -- before the FBI ambushed him, Sally Yates told McGhan about it. He told her to butt out of WH business. She should have gone to Pence, told him that transcripts showed Flynn had lied to him & give Pence a chance to take action.

Had they not leaked the dossier, Flynn's transcript, Page as a FISA target & the Papadop-Downer conversation, Crossfire Hurricane could have been quietly closed & Flynn fired (or not) based on Trump's & Pence's decision. It was just a continuation of the campaign to take out Trump with leaks. It's now catching up with them, but a lot of good, innocent people have been ground up & the country tied in knots for over 3 years now.
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old salt wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:51 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:34 pm That's 5 months and 17 days in. Why then? Seems like an awful fast investigation.

And what should the FBI have done about finding out Flynn is lying about Russian meetings discussing sanctions in January? Open the case?

And what happens when the Times reports on Kushner's meeting with a Russian spy in July of 2017? Open the case again?
Because that's when they learned that the Steele Dossier was bogus. That's when they finally interviewed Papadop -- who knows why they waited 5 mos after opening the investigation based on what he supposedly told Downer. They already ran Halper at him. They didn't even interview Mifsud 'til Feb.

Re Flynn -- before the FBI ambushed him, Sally Yates told McGhan about it. He told her to butt out of WH business. She should have gone to Pence, told him that transcripts showed Flynn had lied to him & give Pence a chance to take action.

Had they not leaked the dossier, Flynn's transcript, Page as a FISA target & the Papadop-Downer conversation, Crossfire Hurricane could have been quietly closed & Flynn fired (or not) based on Trump's & Pence's decision. It was just a continuation of the campaign to take out Trump with leaks. It's now catching up with them, but a lot of good, innocent people have been ground up & the country tied in knots for over 3 years now.
Who are the "good, innocent" ones??? :roll:
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:54 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:51 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:34 pm That's 5 months and 17 days in. Why then? Seems like an awful fast investigation.

And what should the FBI have done about finding out Flynn is lying about Russian meetings discussing sanctions in January? Open the case?

And what happens when the Times reports on Kushner's meeting with a Russian spy in July of 2017? Open the case again?
Because that's when they learned that the Steele Dossier was bogus. That's when they finally interviewed Papadop -- who knows why they waited 5 mos after opening the investigation based on what he supposedly told Downer. They already ran Halper at him. They didn't even interview Mifsud 'til Feb.

Re Flynn -- before the FBI ambushed him, Sally Yates told McGhan about it. He told her to butt out of WH business. She should have gone to Pence, told him that transcripts showed Flynn had lied to him & give Pence a chance to take action.

Had they not leaked the dossier, Flynn's transcript, Page as a FISA target & the Papadop-Downer conversation, Crossfire Hurricane could have been quietly closed & Flynn fired (or not) based on Trump's & Pence's decision. It was just a continuation of the campaign to take out Trump with leaks. It's now catching up with them, but a lot of good, innocent people have been ground up & the country tied in knots for over 3 years now.
Who are the "good, innocent" ones??? :roll:
The leakers sowed the wind. They are now reaping the whirlwind.
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old salt wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:02 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:54 pm
old salt wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:51 pm
a fan wrote: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:34 pm That's 5 months and 17 days in. Why then? Seems like an awful fast investigation.

And what should the FBI have done about finding out Flynn is lying about Russian meetings discussing sanctions in January? Open the case?

And what happens when the Times reports on Kushner's meeting with a Russian spy in July of 2017? Open the case again?
Because that's when they learned that the Steele Dossier was bogus. That's when they finally interviewed Papadop -- who knows why they waited 5 mos after opening the investigation based on what he supposedly told Downer. They already ran Halper at him. They didn't even interview Mifsud 'til Feb.

Re Flynn -- before the FBI ambushed him, Sally Yates told McGhan about it. He told her to butt out of WH business. She should have gone to Pence, told him that transcripts showed Flynn had lied to him & give Pence a chance to take action.

Had they not leaked the dossier, Flynn's transcript, Page as a FISA target & the Papadop-Downer conversation, Crossfire Hurricane could have been quietly closed & Flynn fired (or not) based on Trump's & Pence's decision. It was just a continuation of the campaign to take out Trump with leaks. It's now catching up with them, but a lot of good, innocent people have been ground up & the country tied in knots for over 3 years now.
Who are the "good, innocent" ones??? :roll:
The leakers sowed the wind. They are now reaping the whirlwind.
ahhh, so they're the 'good, innocent people'???
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This just in:

http://documents.nycbar.org/files/Exerc ... 082020.pdf

You don't see influential Bar Organizations asking for an investigation of the nation's AG. But Barr seems like a good one with which to start.
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More on Barr:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020 ... and-shield

"Barr’s mother, Mary, taught at Columbia, and worked as an editor at Redbook. His father, Donald, was the headmaster at Dalton, a progressive private school on the Upper East Side. During the Second World War, Donald had served in the Office of Strategic Services, the precursor to the C.I.A. As headmaster, he believed that discipline instilled morality, helping to fend off the “social pathology” that his son warned about decades later. While birth control and feminism were reshaping conventions around sex and work, Donald insisted on the old ways. Chip Fisher, who attended Dalton at the time, remembered him as brilliant but out of place: “It was like having Jonathan Edwards at the pulpit.” Dalton parents saw Barr as autocratic, insular, and obsessed with adherence to rules. In the early seventies, after a protracted and ugly public fight with the school’s board, he was forced out of his job.

Mary Barr, an observant Catholic, sent William and his three brothers to Corpus Christi elementary school. Even there, Barr was an outlier. In the first grade, he delivered a speech in favor of Dwight Eisenhower’s Presidential campaign. Later, he declared his support for Richard Nixon, and a nun promised to pray for him. In high school, at Horace Mann, Barr—known then as Billy—presented fellow-students with a line-by-line exegesis of the Constitution. One classmate told me that Barr delighted in intellectual combat: “That smug, low-key demeanor—he really loved to push people’s buttons.” Garrick Beck, another classmate, disliked Barr’s politics but admired his integrity. Even then, he said, Barr was convinced that only a strong President could protect America from threats. “How else does a nice guy like Barr defend this boorish tycoon?” Beck said, of Trump. “I think he is doing it because he is a true believer.”

When Barr was an undergraduate, at Columbia, his classmates marched against the war in Vietnam. Barr wanted instead to buttress American power. He had told a guidance counsellor that he hoped one day to lead the C.I.A., and, during breaks from school, he spent two summers as an intern there. In 1973, he finished a master’s degree in Government and Chinese Studies and returned to the C.I.A. as an intelligence analyst. At the time, a Senate investigation—known as the Church Committee—was uncovering decades of abuses at the C.I.A., and laws were being passed to curtail them. Barr later recalled the effort as a kind of assault, delivering “body blows” to the agency.

Barr spent two years as an analyst, but he was also considering a career in law. He started taking night classes at George Washington University Law School, and, in 1975, he transferred to the agency’s Office of Legislative Counsel. The following year, George H. W. Bush became the C.I.A. director, and Barr helped prepare him for testimony on Capitol Hill. One hearing involved a bill that would require the C.I.A. to send a written notification to Americans whose mail the agency had secretly opened. Among the bill’s sponsors was Bella Abzug, a liberal Democrat who represented Barr’s old neighborhood in New York. As a defense attorney, Abzug had won a stay of execution for Willie McGee, a black man convicted of raping a white woman in Mississippi; she had also represented several Americans accused by Senator Joseph McCarthy of being Communists. The C.I.A. spied on her for twenty years, at times opening her mail.

As Abzug and her colleagues grilled Bush about the C.I.A.’s activities, Barr saw a chance to impress the new director. “I went up and sat in the seat that’s behind the witness,” he recalled in a 2001 oral history of the Bush Administration. “Someone asked him a question, and he leaned back and said, ‘How the hell do I answer this one?’ I whispered the answer in his ear, and he gave it, and I thought, ‘Who is this guy? He listens to legal advice when it’s given.’ ”

When Barr began his career in government, the idea that the Presidency was too weak might have been considered eccentric, even radical. Mostly, people were concerned that it had grown too strong. As the Watergate scandal unfolded, the former Kennedy aide Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., published an influential book called “The Imperial Presidency,” in which he enumerated the habits of potential autocrats: “The all-purpose invocation of ‘national security,’ the insistence on executive secrecy, the withholding of information from Congress, the refusal to spend funds appropriated by Congress, the attempted intimidation of the press, the use of the White House as a base for espionage and sabotage directed against the political opposition.”

Jimmy Carter took office in 1977, and embodied an image that was anything but imperial. He carried his own luggage, enrolled his daughter in public school, and shunned “Hail to the Chief” as an excessive display of pomp. More important, he enacted reforms that curtailed executive-branch power. He signed strict ethics legislation that empowered independent counsels and inspectors general to investigate waste, fraud, and abuse. Critics, including the conservative legal scholar Antonin Scalia, complained that the changes crippled the Presidency, but the new regulations had broad support from Congress and from the public.

With Ronald Reagan’s election in 1980, things began to change. The Republican Party, after three decades as a minority in Congress, took control of the Senate—part of a conservative resurgence that Reagan hailed as “morning in America.” In 1982, the White House hired Barr as a deputy assistant director for legal policy. He fell in with a like-minded group of young lawyers, who began devising a legal armature for the executive branch as it tried to restore its power.

In 1986, Reagan appointed Scalia to the Supreme Court. That same year, aides sent Attorney General Edwin Meese a report, recommending steps to widen the power of the Presidency. Reagan, they said, should veto more legislation, and decline to enforce laws that “unconstitutionally encroach upon the executive branch.” The report outlined a legal argument that the President had unrestricted control of all executive-branch functions, and also questioned the constitutionality of special counsels and inspectors general. In a speech, Meese argued that even Supreme Court rulings should not be viewed as “the supreme law of the land.” (Two years later, Meese resigned, amid accusations of helping to steer federal contracts to a friend.)

In 1987, an independent counsel was appointed to investigate whether a Justice Department official named Ted Olson had lied to Congress during testimony regarding the Environmental Protection Agency. Meese and other conservatives challenged the move as unconstitutional. In their view, independent prosecutors were nothing more than unaccountable, costly political weapons, which Democrats used to smear Republican Administrations. (In fact, according to Stephen Gillers, a professor of legal ethics at New York University’s law school, both parties have sought to use such counsels for political advantage. But, he added, they remain necessary to limit abuses: “What the special counsel does is provide a check.”)

The resulting case, Morrison v. Olson, went to the Supreme Court, which ruled that independent counsels did not interfere “unduly” or “impermissibly” with the powers of the executive branch. The sole dissent came from Scalia, who cautioned that a politically biased prosecutor could carry out “debilitating criminal investigations” for minor crimes. “Nothing is so politically effective,” he wrote, “as the ability to charge that one’s opponent and his associates are not merely wrongheaded, naive, ineffective, but, in all probability, ‘crooks.’ ” (Ultimately, prosecutors declined to charge Olson.)

For Reagan and his aides, the Supreme Court ruling was not an abstract concern. The year before, news had broken of what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. In an extraordinary series of crimes, the C.I.A. director William Casey and several White House aides sold sophisticated weaponry to Iran and funnelled the profits to anti-Communist rebels in Central America, in defiance of a law that specifically barred support for the group. All the while, Casey and the aides brazenly lied to Congress about their actions. When the scheme was uncovered, Reagan’s poll numbers sank, but he denied knowledge of the operation and avoided impeachment.

In televised hearings, the National Security Council aide Oliver North argued that Presidents and their aides should be able to do whatever they deem necessary to protect the country from threats. Dick Cheney, then a congressman from Wyoming, argued that North and his allies had done nothing improper, because foreign policy and national security should be controlled solely by the executive branch. But Democrats and a majority of Republicans said that Congress must be able to act as a check on a wayward President. At the hearings, Daniel Inouye, a Democratic senator from Hawaii, who headed the inquiry, warned that a “cabal” of officials who believed they had a “monopoly on truth” could lead to “autocracy.” Barr was unmoved. He later told an interviewer, “I think people in the Iran-Contra matter have been treated very unfairly.”
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Why is this not getting more attention?

The DOJ has had Parnas's phone & all these damning texts for 3 months.
But we learn of them only because a court order allowed Parnas to give them to the House a few days ago.

Seems like Barr is covering up these crimes.
And he's implicated.
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Barr sent the Whistle Blower packing. He’s part of it. Trump told Z, call Rudy or Barr. Interchangeable assholes. Roy Cohn must be looking up with pride.
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Lev says Barr was "on the team".
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Pence, too. Pompeo. Lawyer up, boys. We need another Special Counsel.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:40 am Lev says Barr was "on the team".
Like this is a surprise. :lol: Just another scum bag.
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Trinity wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:47 am Pence, too. Pompeo. Lawyer up, boys. We need another Special Counsel.
Same here, no surprise.
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LEV PARNAS WOULDN’T REVEAL WHETHER HE HAS RECEIPTS ON BILL BARR

"In other words, whatever the reality, Parnas appears to be dribbling out the receipts implicating the people that SDNY prosecutors work for in an attempt to either increase the chances of cooperating out of his indictment or at least raising the costs of any further charges.

Perhaps a more interesting question is why SDNY prosecutors permitted Parnas to launch this media campaign. They didn’t have to: Parnas got permission to modify the protective order on this stuff so he could release it, and they may have had to question Robert Hyde earlier than they otherwise intended to because of the publicity surrounding Parnas’ texts with Hyde. SDNY might be doing it to encourage a criminal target to run his mouth and say something incriminating. They might have done it for counterintelligence reasons, to see who responded to this media campaign. But it’s also possible that SDNY is happy for Parnas to expand the possible scope of their own investigation by making it harder for Barr to protect Rudy and others.

The suspense, though, has to do with that non-committal answer Parnas gave about whether he has any texts directly implicating the Attorney General of the United States. A defendant being prosecuted by the Department of Justice was asked whether he had proof that the top law enforcement officer in the country was personally implicated in his corrupt influence peddling.

And Parnas is not telling. Yet."


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