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Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:34 pm
by runrussellrun
DocBarrister wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:10 pm
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
Betting a Prius is like betting a single sock. :P

Anyway, in other news, Harvard is on its way to divesting from the fossil fuel industry.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... s-victory/

DocBarrister 8-)
Hillaryous Klinton, hold my beer.

350.org already got to the crimson welfare queens years ago. Didn't they.

Suddenly, they are divesting ? Thought they made a similar announcement, a decade ago. ? Nope.....Billy boy been not bashing his alma too hard

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... -350-home/

lots of "claims" in this Onion satire piece , sure didn't age well.

But either way, money is money.

How about Harvard make an announcement AFTER the completely divest from the fossil fuel industry. Which would include, investments in Walmart, Amazon, which can not exist without petro.

Yeah, Harvard should wait until after they sell all their investments. Harvard still the worlds number forest destroyer, or did we forget about those facts, too. (oh, I posted links, boy did I . that smell punted too.......clown )

What a weapong

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:44 pm
by runrussellrun
Perhaps the Harvard hero's were sued into making DocB's announcement.

Sad, no one will appreaciate this gem: of information. Pesky non profits.....ooops

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktak ... rd-mass-ag

Divestment Group Files Complaint Against Harvard With Mass. AG
By Rick Seltzer
March 17, 2021

A group of Harvard University students, alumni and professors filed a complaint Monday with the attorney general of Massachusetts contending that the university’s investments in fossil fuels violate state law laying out nonprofit institutions’ investing responsibilities.

The move shows divestment groups taking a different tack as they try to pressure colleges and universities to stop pumping money from their endowments into companies that produce fossil fuels linked to global climate change, like coal, oil and natural gas. Groups are no longer only arguing such investments are immoral, but they are now also arguing the investments are illegal, as WBUR noted.

It’s the second time in three months divestment proponents have filed such a complaint against a prominent Boston institution. In December, Boston College students and alumni filed a similar complaint with the Massachusetts attorney general’s office.

The new complaint alleges Harvard fails to comply with a 2009 state law called the Uniform Prudent Management of Institutional Funds Act, or UPMIFA. Similar laws exist in 49 states and Washington, D.C. Divest Harvard charged in a lengthy post that Harvard is failing to uphold three duties under UPMIFA: to consider the charitable purpose of an investment, to invest with prudence and to invest with loyalty.

“The final overarching requirement, loyalty, is the legal duty to act in the best interest of the institution as a whole -- one undermined by various fossil fuel conflicts of interest,” the Divest Harvard post said. “Several of Harvard’s trustees have or had significant ties to the industry.”

The group estimates Harvard invests $838 million in the fossil fuel industry. The university’s total endowment is worth about $41 billion.

Both Harvard and the office of the Massachusetts attorney general declined comment to WBUR.

Students at Cornell University filed a similar complaint in 2019, but Cornell’s Board of Trustees voted to divest before the state took any action


Who is paying the legal bills?

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:04 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
He will redefine dominate to mean 10-20% market share then
mid 2020, estimates were 1 in 4 vehicles sold would be EV by 2030.

Change in political control may accelerate this quite a bit, but IMO probably still looking at best end of decade to pass 50%.

China, on the other hand, is way ahead on this. And committed to it.

https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insight ... -2030.html

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:15 pm
by Farfromgeneva
DocBarrister wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:10 pm
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
Betting a Prius is like betting a single sock. :P

Anyway, in other news, Harvard is on its way to divesting from the fossil fuel industry.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... s-victory/

DocBarrister 8-)
I don’t think you realize how much bs is built into the street ESG movement. This is just one of a million stories like this out there

Funds Go Green, but Sometimes in Name Only
Companies are turning their struggling funds green to capture the flood of cash into sustainable investments

The ConocoPhillips Teesside Terminal on the River Tees in Teesside, U.K., in November 2020.
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Fund companies are rebranding their out-of-fashion investment offerings as green, hoping to grab a portion of the cash pouring into sustainable products. In some cases, the rebranding has been in name only.

Last year, companies that manage mutual funds and exchange-traded funds rebranded a record 25 funds as sustainable, according to Morningstar. They say these funds have adopted investment strategies that utilize data on companies’ environmental, social and governance performance to pick stocks. Since 2013, fund companies have rebranded 64 funds, which had $35 billion in assets as of June.

The American Century Fundamental Equity Fund is now the Sustainable Equity Fund, the USAA World Growth Fund is the USAA Sustainable World Fund and the Putnam Multi-Cap Growth Fund is now the Putnam Sustainable Leaders Fund. Assets for all three are up since the rebrandings.


Many of these funds are actively managed and were experiencing chronic outflows prior to rebranding, said Morningstar Head of Sustainability Research Jon Hale. “You have big fund companies with an inventory of funds, a lot of which aren’t really attracting assets anymore, saying ‘OK, here’s this new investment trend happening; what do we do?’” Mr. Hale said.

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Of the 64 rebranded funds, 35 were suffering from investor withdrawals in the three years before they went green, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Morningstar data. At 13 of the funds, investors began putting in cash again. At 45, new cash plus the rising stock market have boosted overall assets.

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The $1.5 billion USAA Sustainable World Fund holds nearly $100 million in shares of 47 fossil-fuel companies, according to data from shareholder advocacy group As You Sow, the most of any repurposed fund. Last year, Victory Capital Management Inc. changed the fund’s name from USAA World Growth Fund.

A disclosure was added to the fund’s prospectus noting ESG ratings are considered but fund managers may disagree with a raters’ conclusion. The Sustainable World Fund continued to hold shares of companies such as mining firm Rio Tinto PLC and purchased shares in oil-and-gas companies after rebranding.

“We believe incorporating ESG considerations into a portfolio should be an input under a larger mosaic of considerations any manager evaluates to achieve a well-balanced, diversified portfolio,” said Mannik S. Dhillon, president of VictoryShares & Solutions, an investment adviser for USAA.

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Investors had been pulling cash out of American Century Investment’s Fundamental Equity Fund for years before its 2016 rebranding. Three years later and under a new name, the Sustainable Equity Fund brought in a net $1.7 billion.

“To us, that was an affirmation that we made the right changes,” said American Century Vice President Joe Reiland. “The performance was getting better, the investment community was more interested in investing sustainably and it made us more marketable to clients.”


American Century Investment’s Fundamental Equity Fund added Tesla Inc. when it was renamed the Sustainable Equity Fund.
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The fund beat the S&P 500 over the past five years and boasts its portfolio companies emit 67% fewer greenhouse gases than the index, according to the fund’s sustainability report. The fund dumped shares of 12 firms during the transition including Exxon Mobil Corp. while adding electric-vehicle maker Tesla Inc.

It kept ConocoPhillips, COP +0.56% even though it is a big greenhouse-gas emitter, because it was shifting more toward sustainability, Mr. Reiland said. “After analyzing the two, ConocoPhillips was demonstrating the ability to become an ESG leader over Exxon,” Mr. Reiland said.


Other companies frequently dumped by rebranded funds were oil-and-gas producer Devon Energy Corp. , tobacco firm Philip Morris International Inc. PM +1.73% and aerospace companies General Dynamics Corp. GD -0.29% and Boeing Co. BA -1.20% , according to a Journal analysis of constituents of 43 funds with historical data.

Rebranded funds typically bought tech companies such as chip maker Texas Instruments Inc. TXN +1.64% and software maker Cadence Design Systems Inc. CDNS +0.79% One reason sustainable funds have done well is because technology companies have trounced energy stocks in the past few years. Nearly 70% of 286 sustainable funds ranked in the top half of their performance category last year, according to Morningstar.

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Assets in Putnam Investments’ Putnam Multi-Cap Growth and Multi-Cap Value funds were hovering near their lowest point since the early 2000s when the company rebranded both funds.

Assets of the rechristened Putnam Sustainable Leaders Fund rose by 66% to $6.5 billion as of this June. The Putnam Sustainable Future Fund grew its assets by 93% to $649 million, according to the Journal’s analysis. Both funds have outperformed their benchmarks and the S&P 500 in the past three years after periods of mixed performance prior to rebranding.

The Sustainable Future Fund underwent the most dramatic change, shifting 75% of its portfolio to focus on sustainable firms, according to Putnam’s head of sustainable investing, Katherine Collins. “There are a wide range of approaches that folks are taking in developing sustainable funds, and for Putnam it was pretty far into the heavy-lift side of things.”

Stocks in energy firms like ConocoPhillips were dropped, and renewable-resource firms were added such as solar-panel maker Sunrun Inc., RUN +1.66% which was a top contributor to the fund’s 2020 performance.

“We’re happy not just with the numbers but with how those numbers have been generated,” Ms. Collins said.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:17 pm
by Farfromgeneva
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:04 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
He will redefine dominate to mean 10-20% market share then
mid 2020, estimates were 1 in 4 vehicles sold would be EV by 2030.

Change in political control may accelerate this quite a bit, but IMO probably still looking at best end of decade to pass 50%.

China, on the other hand, is way ahead on this. And committed to it.

https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insight ... -2030.html
Right and we know those estimates are always “optimistic” or “aspirational” and that’s 9yrs out so 10-20% in 2026 might even be high considering companies are shutting down production out of a lack of chip supply it could be a lot longer.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:32 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:04 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
He will redefine dominate to mean 10-20% market share then
mid 2020, estimates were 1 in 4 vehicles sold would be EV by 2030.

Change in political control may accelerate this quite a bit, but IMO probably still looking at best end of decade to pass 50%.

China, on the other hand, is way ahead on this. And committed to it.

https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insight ... -2030.html
Right and we know those estimates are always “optimistic” or “aspirational” and that’s 9yrs out so 10-20% in 2026 might even be high considering companies are shutting down production out of a lack of chip supply it could be a lot longer.
I do think this will roll fast once the infrastructure build-out is well underway and costs continue to decline. It would help if there are significant tax subsidies for purchase, too, but I think the big thing is ubiquitous access to charging, cheap.

But that's not tomorrow.

The good news, for those of us who think it's important, is that the big US auto companies appear to be quite committed now...much more so than 5 years ago.

I do know that when we finally dump one of our 2006 and 2009 cars, the next vehicle will be electric.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:37 pm
by Farfromgeneva
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:32 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:04 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
He will redefine dominate to mean 10-20% market share then
mid 2020, estimates were 1 in 4 vehicles sold would be EV by 2030.

Change in political control may accelerate this quite a bit, but IMO probably still looking at best end of decade to pass 50%.

China, on the other hand, is way ahead on this. And committed to it.

https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insight ... -2030.html
Right and we know those estimates are always “optimistic” or “aspirational” and that’s 9yrs out so 10-20% in 2026 might even be high considering companies are shutting down production out of a lack of chip supply it could be a lot longer.
I do think this will roll fast once the infrastructure build-out is well underway and costs continue to decline. It would help if there are significant tax subsidies for purchase, too, but I think the big thing is ubiquitous access to charging, cheap.

But that's not tomorrow.

The good news, for those of us who think it's important, is that the big US auto companies appear to be quite committed now...much more so than 5 years ago.

I do know that when we finally dump one of our 2006 and 2009 cars, the next vehicle will be electric.
There will be an inflection point and the curve will accelerate upward no doubt but these pie in the sky estimates are worth less than a typical study of how a new ballpark will pay for the bond funded subsidy within a few years due to incremental tourism dollars.

I don’t support the subsidies. Those right now are going into the pockets of Lordstown, Trevor Milton and Elon Musk (the last I don’t like because he takes cheap public money and then doesn’t have any interest in following The rules that come with taking widows and orphan money).

Like I said our grid, EV network and private water is where much of
Our investment is going and should. Along with psychedelic therapy.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:38 pm
by Farfromgeneva
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:32 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:04 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
He will redefine dominate to mean 10-20% market share then
mid 2020, estimates were 1 in 4 vehicles sold would be EV by 2030.

Change in political control may accelerate this quite a bit, but IMO probably still looking at best end of decade to pass 50%.

China, on the other hand, is way ahead on this. And committed to it.

https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insight ... -2030.html
Right and we know those estimates are always “optimistic” or “aspirational” and that’s 9yrs out so 10-20% in 2026 might even be high considering companies are shutting down production out of a lack of chip supply it could be a lot longer.
I do think this will roll fast once the infrastructure build-out is well underway and costs continue to decline. It would help if there are significant tax subsidies for purchase, too, but I think the big thing is ubiquitous access to charging, cheap.

But that's not tomorrow.

The good news, for those of us who think it's important, is that the big US auto companies appear to be quite committed now...much more so than 5 years ago.

I do know that when we finally dump one of our 2006 and 2009 cars, the next vehicle will be electric.
Keep in mind Ford was doing pretty impressive EV things prior to the financial crisis

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:42 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:38 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:32 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:04 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
He will redefine dominate to mean 10-20% market share then
mid 2020, estimates were 1 in 4 vehicles sold would be EV by 2030.

Change in political control may accelerate this quite a bit, but IMO probably still looking at best end of decade to pass 50%.

China, on the other hand, is way ahead on this. And committed to it.

https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insight ... -2030.html
Right and we know those estimates are always “optimistic” or “aspirational” and that’s 9yrs out so 10-20% in 2026 might even be high considering companies are shutting down production out of a lack of chip supply it could be a lot longer.
I do think this will roll fast once the infrastructure build-out is well underway and costs continue to decline. It would help if there are significant tax subsidies for purchase, too, but I think the big thing is ubiquitous access to charging, cheap.

But that's not tomorrow.

The good news, for those of us who think it's important, is that the big US auto companies appear to be quite committed now...much more so than 5 years ago.

I do know that when we finally dump one of our 2006 and 2009 cars, the next vehicle will be electric.
Keep in mind Ford was doing pretty impressive EV things prior to the financial crisis
True; looks like everyone's on board, there's going to much more competition, innovation, etc. But all of that takes time.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:44 pm
by Farfromgeneva
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:42 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:38 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:32 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:04 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
He will redefine dominate to mean 10-20% market share then
mid 2020, estimates were 1 in 4 vehicles sold would be EV by 2030.

Change in political control may accelerate this quite a bit, but IMO probably still looking at best end of decade to pass 50%.

China, on the other hand, is way ahead on this. And committed to it.

https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insight ... -2030.html
Right and we know those estimates are always “optimistic” or “aspirational” and that’s 9yrs out so 10-20% in 2026 might even be high considering companies are shutting down production out of a lack of chip supply it could be a lot longer.
I do think this will roll fast once the infrastructure build-out is well underway and costs continue to decline. It would help if there are significant tax subsidies for purchase, too, but I think the big thing is ubiquitous access to charging, cheap.

But that's not tomorrow.

The good news, for those of us who think it's important, is that the big US auto companies appear to be quite committed now...much more so than 5 years ago.

I do know that when we finally dump one of our 2006 and 2009 cars, the next vehicle will be electric.
Keep in mind Ford was doing pretty impressive EV things prior to the financial crisis
True; looks like everyone's on board, there's going to much more competition, innovation, etc. But all of that takes time.
This is where the war for precious minerals with China is a big huge deal like a game of risk because we need access to lithium.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:50 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:44 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:42 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:38 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:32 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:17 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:04 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:52 am
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
He will redefine dominate to mean 10-20% market share then
mid 2020, estimates were 1 in 4 vehicles sold would be EV by 2030.

Change in political control may accelerate this quite a bit, but IMO probably still looking at best end of decade to pass 50%.

China, on the other hand, is way ahead on this. And committed to it.

https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insight ... -2030.html
Right and we know those estimates are always “optimistic” or “aspirational” and that’s 9yrs out so 10-20% in 2026 might even be high considering companies are shutting down production out of a lack of chip supply it could be a lot longer.
I do think this will roll fast once the infrastructure build-out is well underway and costs continue to decline. It would help if there are significant tax subsidies for purchase, too, but I think the big thing is ubiquitous access to charging, cheap.

But that's not tomorrow.

The good news, for those of us who think it's important, is that the big US auto companies appear to be quite committed now...much more so than 5 years ago.

I do know that when we finally dump one of our 2006 and 2009 cars, the next vehicle will be electric.
Keep in mind Ford was doing pretty impressive EV things prior to the financial crisis
True; looks like everyone's on board, there's going to much more competition, innovation, etc. But all of that takes time.
This is where the war for precious minerals with China is a big huge deal like a game of risk because we need access to lithium.
We may actually have the largest reserves here in US, but only producing 2% of world usage at present.

Fortunately, sources are distributed around the globe, including within 'friendlies'.

Stands to reason that open floor may be interesting, but man, that could be an ecological mess.

It'll be interesting as to whether there will be a better solution at some point.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:10 pm
by Farfromgeneva
I did not know we had reserves here. I’m always looking for new opportunities, just did some random business around PACE financing (property assessment clean energy) which is like TIF and primes senior creditors w repayment coming via property tax money. Maybe I should be looking into that.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:10 pm
by runrussellrun
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:15 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:10 pm
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
Betting a Prius is like betting a single sock. :P

Anyway, in other news, Harvard is on its way to divesting from the fossil fuel industry.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... s-victory/

DocBarrister 8-)
I don’t think you realize how much bs is built into the street ESG movement. This is just one of a million stories like this out there

Funds Go Green, but Sometimes in Name Only
Companies are turning their struggling funds green to capture the flood of cash into sustainable investments

The ConocoPhillips Teesside Terminal on the River Tees in Teesside, U.K., in November 2020.
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Fund companies are rebranding their out-of-fashion investment offerings as green, hoping to grab a portion of the cash pouring into sustainable products. In some cases, the rebranding has been in name only.

Last year, companies that manage mutual funds and exchange-traded funds rebranded a record 25 funds as sustainable, according to Morningstar. They say these funds have adopted investment strategies that utilize data on companies’ environmental, social and governance performance to pick stocks. Since 2013, fund companies have rebranded 64 funds, which had $35 billion in assets as of June.

The American Century Fundamental Equity Fund is now the Sustainable Equity Fund, the USAA World Growth Fund is the USAA Sustainable World Fund and the Putnam Multi-Cap Growth Fund is now the Putnam Sustainable Leaders Fund. Assets for all three are up since the rebrandings.


Many of these funds are actively managed and were experiencing chronic outflows prior to rebranding, said Morningstar Head of Sustainability Research Jon Hale. “You have big fund companies with an inventory of funds, a lot of which aren’t really attracting assets anymore, saying ‘OK, here’s this new investment trend happening; what do we do?’” Mr. Hale said.

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The shift is akin to a car company freshening up a tired model. Actively managed funds, which are run by stock pickers, have been losing investor cash for years. Similar funds with a sustainable label have been raking in money, according to Morningstar.

Of the 64 rebranded funds, 35 were suffering from investor withdrawals in the three years before they went green, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Morningstar data. At 13 of the funds, investors began putting in cash again. At 45, new cash plus the rising stock market have boosted overall assets.

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The $1.5 billion USAA Sustainable World Fund holds nearly $100 million in shares of 47 fossil-fuel companies, according to data from shareholder advocacy group As You Sow, the most of any repurposed fund. Last year, Victory Capital Management Inc. changed the fund’s name from USAA World Growth Fund.

A disclosure was added to the fund’s prospectus noting ESG ratings are considered but fund managers may disagree with a raters’ conclusion. The Sustainable World Fund continued to hold shares of companies such as mining firm Rio Tinto PLC and purchased shares in oil-and-gas companies after rebranding.

“We believe incorporating ESG considerations into a portfolio should be an input under a larger mosaic of considerations any manager evaluates to achieve a well-balanced, diversified portfolio,” said Mannik S. Dhillon, president of VictoryShares & Solutions, an investment adviser for USAA.

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Investors had been pulling cash out of American Century Investment’s Fundamental Equity Fund for years before its 2016 rebranding. Three years later and under a new name, the Sustainable Equity Fund brought in a net $1.7 billion.

“To us, that was an affirmation that we made the right changes,” said American Century Vice President Joe Reiland. “The performance was getting better, the investment community was more interested in investing sustainably and it made us more marketable to clients.”


American Century Investment’s Fundamental Equity Fund added Tesla Inc. when it was renamed the Sustainable Equity Fund.
PHOTO: ANDREAS GEBERT/BLOOMBERG NEWS
The fund beat the S&P 500 over the past five years and boasts its portfolio companies emit 67% fewer greenhouse gases than the index, according to the fund’s sustainability report. The fund dumped shares of 12 firms during the transition including Exxon Mobil Corp. while adding electric-vehicle maker Tesla Inc.

It kept ConocoPhillips, COP +0.56% even though it is a big greenhouse-gas emitter, because it was shifting more toward sustainability, Mr. Reiland said. “After analyzing the two, ConocoPhillips was demonstrating the ability to become an ESG leader over Exxon,” Mr. Reiland said.


Other companies frequently dumped by rebranded funds were oil-and-gas producer Devon Energy Corp. , tobacco firm Philip Morris International Inc. PM +1.73% and aerospace companies General Dynamics Corp. GD -0.29% and Boeing Co. BA -1.20% , according to a Journal analysis of constituents of 43 funds with historical data.

Rebranded funds typically bought tech companies such as chip maker Texas Instruments Inc. TXN +1.64% and software maker Cadence Design Systems Inc. CDNS +0.79% One reason sustainable funds have done well is because technology companies have trounced energy stocks in the past few years. Nearly 70% of 286 sustainable funds ranked in the top half of their performance category last year, according to Morningstar.

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Assets in Putnam Investments’ Putnam Multi-Cap Growth and Multi-Cap Value funds were hovering near their lowest point since the early 2000s when the company rebranded both funds.

Assets of the rechristened Putnam Sustainable Leaders Fund rose by 66% to $6.5 billion as of this June. The Putnam Sustainable Future Fund grew its assets by 93% to $649 million, according to the Journal’s analysis. Both funds have outperformed their benchmarks and the S&P 500 in the past three years after periods of mixed performance prior to rebranding.

The Sustainable Future Fund underwent the most dramatic change, shifting 75% of its portfolio to focus on sustainable firms, according to Putnam’s head of sustainable investing, Katherine Collins. “There are a wide range of approaches that folks are taking in developing sustainable funds, and for Putnam it was pretty far into the heavy-lift side of things.”

Stocks in energy firms like ConocoPhillips were dropped, and renewable-resource firms were added such as solar-panel maker Sunrun Inc., RUN +1.66% which was a top contributor to the fund’s 2020 performance.

“We’re happy not just with the numbers but with how those numbers have been generated,” Ms. Collins said.
You posted a very funny video, about me, or a song I would sing. Either way. Figured this you in you lower tier days.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoAGasPLh30


fracking still a big thing in the lower tier of central NY ? But, Harvard's divesting :lol: :lol:

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:40 pm
by Farfromgeneva
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:10 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:15 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:10 pm
Carroll81 wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:15 am
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:30 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:01 pm Oh swell...what is going to power all that mass transit, the vehicles that need plugged in after all the climate change storms. The boats to rescue to people during flooding. Let's put all our eggs in one basket....just like financial advisors tell us.

Its great to dream big, no doubt, but someone in the room needs to be pragmatic.
The time “to be pragmatic” is long over.

The fossil fuel industry must die. The era of the internal combustion engine must end. The time for massive infrastructure investments to mitigate the damage from human-caused climate change is here.

Within five years, electric vehicle sales will dominate the market.


If you’re not going to be part of the solution, then get out of our way.

We lost four precious years because of that imbecile Trump and his MAGA crowd.

DocBarrister
I'll bet you a Prius that they won't :D
Betting a Prius is like betting a single sock. :P

Anyway, in other news, Harvard is on its way to divesting from the fossil fuel industry.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021 ... s-victory/

DocBarrister 8-)
I don’t think you realize how much bs is built into the street ESG movement. This is just one of a million stories like this out there

Funds Go Green, but Sometimes in Name Only
Companies are turning their struggling funds green to capture the flood of cash into sustainable investments

The ConocoPhillips Teesside Terminal on the River Tees in Teesside, U.K., in November 2020.
PHOTO: IAN FORSYTH/BLOOMBERG NEWS
By Shane Shifflett
Sept. 9, 2021 5:30 am ET

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Fund companies are rebranding their out-of-fashion investment offerings as green, hoping to grab a portion of the cash pouring into sustainable products. In some cases, the rebranding has been in name only.

Last year, companies that manage mutual funds and exchange-traded funds rebranded a record 25 funds as sustainable, according to Morningstar. They say these funds have adopted investment strategies that utilize data on companies’ environmental, social and governance performance to pick stocks. Since 2013, fund companies have rebranded 64 funds, which had $35 billion in assets as of June.

The American Century Fundamental Equity Fund is now the Sustainable Equity Fund, the USAA World Growth Fund is the USAA Sustainable World Fund and the Putnam Multi-Cap Growth Fund is now the Putnam Sustainable Leaders Fund. Assets for all three are up since the rebrandings.


Many of these funds are actively managed and were experiencing chronic outflows prior to rebranding, said Morningstar Head of Sustainability Research Jon Hale. “You have big fund companies with an inventory of funds, a lot of which aren’t really attracting assets anymore, saying ‘OK, here’s this new investment trend happening; what do we do?’” Mr. Hale said.

Funds rebranded to include ESG criteria
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The shift is akin to a car company freshening up a tired model. Actively managed funds, which are run by stock pickers, have been losing investor cash for years. Similar funds with a sustainable label have been raking in money, according to Morningstar.

Of the 64 rebranded funds, 35 were suffering from investor withdrawals in the three years before they went green, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Morningstar data. At 13 of the funds, investors began putting in cash again. At 45, new cash plus the rising stock market have boosted overall assets.

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The $1.5 billion USAA Sustainable World Fund holds nearly $100 million in shares of 47 fossil-fuel companies, according to data from shareholder advocacy group As You Sow, the most of any repurposed fund. Last year, Victory Capital Management Inc. changed the fund’s name from USAA World Growth Fund.

A disclosure was added to the fund’s prospectus noting ESG ratings are considered but fund managers may disagree with a raters’ conclusion. The Sustainable World Fund continued to hold shares of companies such as mining firm Rio Tinto PLC and purchased shares in oil-and-gas companies after rebranding.

“We believe incorporating ESG considerations into a portfolio should be an input under a larger mosaic of considerations any manager evaluates to achieve a well-balanced, diversified portfolio,” said Mannik S. Dhillon, president of VictoryShares & Solutions, an investment adviser for USAA.

American Century Sustainable Equity Fund assets
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Investors had been pulling cash out of American Century Investment’s Fundamental Equity Fund for years before its 2016 rebranding. Three years later and under a new name, the Sustainable Equity Fund brought in a net $1.7 billion.

“To us, that was an affirmation that we made the right changes,” said American Century Vice President Joe Reiland. “The performance was getting better, the investment community was more interested in investing sustainably and it made us more marketable to clients.”


American Century Investment’s Fundamental Equity Fund added Tesla Inc. when it was renamed the Sustainable Equity Fund.
PHOTO: ANDREAS GEBERT/BLOOMBERG NEWS
The fund beat the S&P 500 over the past five years and boasts its portfolio companies emit 67% fewer greenhouse gases than the index, according to the fund’s sustainability report. The fund dumped shares of 12 firms during the transition including Exxon Mobil Corp. while adding electric-vehicle maker Tesla Inc.

It kept ConocoPhillips, COP +0.56% even though it is a big greenhouse-gas emitter, because it was shifting more toward sustainability, Mr. Reiland said. “After analyzing the two, ConocoPhillips was demonstrating the ability to become an ESG leader over Exxon,” Mr. Reiland said.


Other companies frequently dumped by rebranded funds were oil-and-gas producer Devon Energy Corp. , tobacco firm Philip Morris International Inc. PM +1.73% and aerospace companies General Dynamics Corp. GD -0.29% and Boeing Co. BA -1.20% , according to a Journal analysis of constituents of 43 funds with historical data.

Rebranded funds typically bought tech companies such as chip maker Texas Instruments Inc. TXN +1.64% and software maker Cadence Design Systems Inc. CDNS +0.79% One reason sustainable funds have done well is because technology companies have trounced energy stocks in the past few years. Nearly 70% of 286 sustainable funds ranked in the top half of their performance category last year, according to Morningstar.

Putnam Sustainable Future Fund assets
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Assets in Putnam Investments’ Putnam Multi-Cap Growth and Multi-Cap Value funds were hovering near their lowest point since the early 2000s when the company rebranded both funds.

Assets of the rechristened Putnam Sustainable Leaders Fund rose by 66% to $6.5 billion as of this June. The Putnam Sustainable Future Fund grew its assets by 93% to $649 million, according to the Journal’s analysis. Both funds have outperformed their benchmarks and the S&P 500 in the past three years after periods of mixed performance prior to rebranding.

The Sustainable Future Fund underwent the most dramatic change, shifting 75% of its portfolio to focus on sustainable firms, according to Putnam’s head of sustainable investing, Katherine Collins. “There are a wide range of approaches that folks are taking in developing sustainable funds, and for Putnam it was pretty far into the heavy-lift side of things.”

Stocks in energy firms like ConocoPhillips were dropped, and renewable-resource firms were added such as solar-panel maker Sunrun Inc., RUN +1.66% which was a top contributor to the fund’s 2020 performance.

“We’re happy not just with the numbers but with how those numbers have been generated,” Ms. Collins said.
You posted a very funny video, about me, or a song I would sing. Either way. Figured this you in you lower tier days.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoAGasPLh30


fracking still a big thing in the lower tier of central NY ? But, Harvard's divesting :lol: :lol:
Had a pony tail jr and sr year with my phish and rusted root t shirts but still way better hair and never wore a Jean jacket after the one I patched up in 4th-5th grade on glam/hair metal rock run (Iron Maiden, ac/dc, Motörhead, GNR, Dokken, Tesla etc).

But that’s a good find and appreciate the humor. Lead with that more.

As for fracking no they don’t in NY to my knowledge. This was annoying as I was seeing some bank execs in Mansfield Pa a few years back and they were flush with deposits and activity and meanwhile just over the border maybe 20-30mi my family owns a bunch of farmland (now spit up via inheritance but was rendered worth far less 30-40yrs ago when they split it for a new road off the Savona exit of 17/86 via eminent domain). They lease some of that land for literally like 1/150th what the Pennsylvania folks are getting simply because of a made up state ie as if the people of Bath NY and Mansfield PA had less in common than either side has with Philly or NYC.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:38 pm
by runrussellrun
I am the son....and the heir........of......noooothing in particular.

Morrisey had some great, viscious, in your face hidden messenging LYRICS

Hang the DJ

If ever I pursue a rapping career, that b my name

HangNdJ.....the d is not silent........but the N is enunciated

I wish Miranda Lambert would cover this song....fits her perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUNDeuBbi8

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:47 pm
by Farfromgeneva
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:38 pm I am the son....and the heir........of......noooothing in particular.

Morrisey had some great, viscious, in your face hidden messenging LYRICS

Hang the DJ

If ever I pursue a rapping career, that b my name

HangNdJ.....the d is not silent........but the N is enunciated

I wish Miranda Lambert would cover this song....fits her perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUNDeuBbi8
My dad got $20k for his quarter of the land when my grandfather passed in 2005. About $1k/ac. Don’t be an idiot and assume when I talk about land it means anything. But you assume a ton without ever asking which is a sign of a massive sense of self worth.

Instead your looking for fault in others and missing my point that my lower middle class family isn’t getting the same treatment for their land as someone 20mi down the road because of some artificial boundary.

But keep looking for fault in everyone else and continue to lack any introspection whatsoever. You’re only feeding the loop that you’ve created for yourself. It’s clearly working for you.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:05 pm
by runrussellrun
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:47 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:38 pm I am the son....and the heir........of......noooothing in particular.

Morrisey had some great, viscious, in your face hidden messenging LYRICS

Hang the DJ

If ever I pursue a rapping career, that b my name

HangNdJ.....the d is not silent........but the N is enunciated

I wish Miranda Lambert would cover this song....fits her perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUNDeuBbi8
My dad got $20k for his quarter of the land when my grandfather passed in 2005. About $1k/ac. Don’t be an idiot and assume when I talk about land it means anything. But you assume a ton without ever asking which is a sign of a massive sense of self worth.

Instead your looking for fault in others and missing my point that my lower middle class family isn’t getting the same treatment for their land as someone 20mi down the road because of some artificial boundary.

But keep looking for fault in everyone else and continue to lack any introspection whatsoever. You’re only feeding the loop that you’ve created for yourself. It’s clearly working for you.
Wow...dude...what a buzzkill. Looking for a fault......furthest thing from my mind. Guess no matter what, you look for the worst. geeez.

The entire song, ALL the lyrics.........it's not about the money, as worth. Trump owns a private Jet (we think ) He worth something ? Don jr, Ivanka and the gang getting LOTS of money, as sons and heirs .......f ng finance guys, creative as Archie Bunker.

nor was I in anyway disparaging you.

Just most peoples sitiutations, espeicially covid induced situations.....and how collective value becomes meaningless, as well. You should get that drift, based on the weird finance posts. So, no, not everything, or reply IS about you......geez.


Religions care about how much shiite you own on earth ? This is what we all grew up being told to believe. god, heaven, obey. Now, we worship shiite from china, built by slaves, on toxic emitting ships owned by cabinet members.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:32 pm
by Farfromgeneva
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:05 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:47 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:38 pm I am the son....and the heir........of......noooothing in particular.

Morrisey had some great, viscious, in your face hidden messenging LYRICS

Hang the DJ

If ever I pursue a rapping career, that b my name

HangNdJ.....the d is not silent........but the N is enunciated

I wish Miranda Lambert would cover this song....fits her perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUNDeuBbi8
My dad got $20k for his quarter of the land when my grandfather passed in 2005. About $1k/ac. Don’t be an idiot and assume when I talk about land it means anything. But you assume a ton without ever asking which is a sign of a massive sense of self worth.

Instead your looking for fault in others and missing my point that my lower middle class family isn’t getting the same treatment for their land as someone 20mi down the road because of some artificial boundary.

But keep looking for fault in everyone else and continue to lack any introspection whatsoever. You’re only feeding the loop that you’ve created for yourself. It’s clearly working for you.
Wow...dude...what a buzzkill. Looking for a fault......furthest thing from my mind. Guess no matter what, you look for the worst. geeez.

The entire song, ALL the lyrics.........it's not about the money, as worth. Trump owns a private Jet (we think ) He worth something ? Don jr, Ivanka and the gang getting LOTS of money, as sons and heirs .......f ng finance guys, creative as Archie Bunker.

nor was I in anyway disparaging you.

Just most peoples sitiutations, espeicially covid induced situations.....and how collective value becomes meaningless, as well. You should get that drift, based on the weird finance posts. So, no, not everything, or reply IS about you......geez.


Religions care about how much shiite you own on earth ? This is what we all grew up being told to believe. god, heaven, obey. Now, we worship shiite from china, built by slaves, on toxic emitting ships owned by cabinet members.
Well again I’ve begged you in the past to be more clear in communication and you’ve refused so I can’t really be held responsible at this point can I? But at least you’ve clarified. Sort of.

On this same topic here’s funny one. My friend who I now have to drop in life because he’s also my source of self medication is black and grew up in a rough part of atlanta (Bouldercrest, best known for Gucci Mane though ironically when Gucci got out of jail I’ve heard from primary sources that he was run out of a gas station in the neighborhood because the folks there believed he was no longer from or properly represented that hood-Bobby Shmurda is next watch). About a year ago he and two siblings inherited about 125ac of land in two parts of Alabama from their grandparents. The siblings needed some cash but it was a huge thing that they not just sell it because owning land is obviously a huge thing to anyone but particularly older Blake people. Anyways I hooked him up with a buddy who’s in the land conservation easement trust space wh in can generate tax credits and its kind of a legal scam because the “made as instructed” (MAI) appraisers will inflate the land value with some form of justification that’s equivalent intellectually of me talking myself out of a speeding ticket. Anyways you can stick land in a trust cheaply and so got him to carve out like 35ac, drop it in a conservation easement trust and then sell the tax credit for around 70 cents on the dollar (the buyers are middlemen who sell the tax credit on to corporations a for between 85-92 cents). The trust stipulates you still own it but can’t build anything on the land for 99yrs so they kept the land only had to commit to not building on a portion of it which is a good thing anyways with absolute latitude on the other 90ac if they want and still picked up like $100k to help get some liquidity for the siblings. Obviously my and my friends assistance was free to them.

I’m sure some will think I’ve Ana led some scumbag but I view it as helping an inter generational family eat what we’ve been snacking on for a 100yrs.

(privileged which even with my background is still true compared with many)

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:42 pm
by jhu93
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:32 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:05 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:47 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:38 pm I am the son....and the heir........of......noooothing in particular.

Morrisey had some great, viscious, in your face hidden messenging LYRICS

Hang the DJ

If ever I pursue a rapping career, that b my name

HangNdJ.....the d is not silent........but the N is enunciated

I wish Miranda Lambert would cover this song....fits her perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUNDeuBbi8
My dad got $20k for his quarter of the land when my grandfather passed in 2005. About $1k/ac. Don’t be an idiot and assume when I talk about land it means anything. But you assume a ton without ever asking which is a sign of a massive sense of self worth.

Instead your looking for fault in others and missing my point that my lower middle class family isn’t getting the same treatment for their land as someone 20mi down the road because of some artificial boundary.

But keep looking for fault in everyone else and continue to lack any introspection whatsoever. You’re only feeding the loop that you’ve created for yourself. It’s clearly working for you.
Wow...dude...what a buzzkill. Looking for a fault......furthest thing from my mind. Guess no matter what, you look for the worst. geeez.

The entire song, ALL the lyrics.........it's not about the money, as worth. Trump owns a private Jet (we think ) He worth something ? Don jr, Ivanka and the gang getting LOTS of money, as sons and heirs .......f ng finance guys, creative as Archie Bunker.

nor was I in anyway disparaging you.

Just most peoples sitiutations, espeicially covid induced situations.....and how collective value becomes meaningless, as well. You should get that drift, based on the weird finance posts. So, no, not everything, or reply IS about you......geez.


Religions care about how much shiite you own on earth ? This is what we all grew up being told to believe. god, heaven, obey. Now, we worship shiite from china, built by slaves, on toxic emitting ships owned by cabinet members.
Well again I’ve begged you in the past to be more clear in communication and you’ve refused so I can’t really be held responsible at this point can I? But at least you’ve clarified. Sort of.

On this same topic here’s funny one. My friend who I now have to drop in life because he’s also my source of self medication is black and grew up in a rough part of atlanta (Bouldercrest, best known for Gucci Mane though ironically when Gucci got out of jail I’ve heard from primary sources that he was run out of a gas station in the neighborhood because the folks there believed he was no longer from or properly represented that hood-Bobby Shmurda is next watch). About a year ago he and two siblings inherited about 125ac of land in two parts of Alabama from their grandparents. The siblings needed some cash but it was a huge thing that they not just sell it because owning land is obviously a huge thing to anyone but particularly older Blake people. Anyways I hooked him up with a buddy who’s in the land conservation easement trust space wh in can generate tax credits and its kind of a legal scam because the “made as instructed” (MAI) appraisers will inflate the land value with some form of justification that’s equivalent intellectually of me talking myself out of a speeding ticket. Anyways you can stick land in a trust cheaply and so got him to carve out like 35ac, drop it in a conservation easement trust and then sell the tax credit for around 70 cents on the dollar (the buyers are middlemen who sell the tax credit on to corporations a for between 85-92 cents). The trust stipulates you still own it but can’t build anything on the land for 99yrs so they kept the land only had to commit to not building on a portion of it which is a good thing anyways with absolute latitude on the other 90ac if they want and still picked up like $100k to help get some liquidity for the siblings. Obviously my and my friends assistance was free to them.

I’m sure some will think I’ve Ana led some scumbag but I view it as helping an inter generational family eat what we’ve been snacking on for a 100yrs.

(privileged which even with my background is still true compared with many)
Wow, cool story bro. No one likes you, why do you even bother. Just stay in western New York and watch the snow fall.

Re: All Things Environment

Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:33 pm
by Farfromgeneva
jhu93 wrote: Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:42 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:32 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:05 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:47 pm
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:38 pm I am the son....and the heir........of......noooothing in particular.

Morrisey had some great, viscious, in your face hidden messenging LYRICS

Hang the DJ

If ever I pursue a rapping career, that b my name

HangNdJ.....the d is not silent........but the N is enunciated

I wish Miranda Lambert would cover this song....fits her perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUNDeuBbi8
My dad got $20k for his quarter of the land when my grandfather passed in 2005. About $1k/ac. Don’t be an idiot and assume when I talk about land it means anything. But you assume a ton without ever asking which is a sign of a massive sense of self worth.

Instead your looking for fault in others and missing my point that my lower middle class family isn’t getting the same treatment for their land as someone 20mi down the road because of some artificial boundary.

But keep looking for fault in everyone else and continue to lack any introspection whatsoever. You’re only feeding the loop that you’ve created for yourself. It’s clearly working for you.
Wow...dude...what a buzzkill. Looking for a fault......furthest thing from my mind. Guess no matter what, you look for the worst. geeez.

The entire song, ALL the lyrics.........it's not about the money, as worth. Trump owns a private Jet (we think ) He worth something ? Don jr, Ivanka and the gang getting LOTS of money, as sons and heirs .......f ng finance guys, creative as Archie Bunker.

nor was I in anyway disparaging you.

Just most peoples sitiutations, espeicially covid induced situations.....and how collective value becomes meaningless, as well. You should get that drift, based on the weird finance posts. So, no, not everything, or reply IS about you......geez.


Religions care about how much shiite you own on earth ? This is what we all grew up being told to believe. god, heaven, obey. Now, we worship shiite from china, built by slaves, on toxic emitting ships owned by cabinet members.
Well again I’ve begged you in the past to be more clear in communication and you’ve refused so I can’t really be held responsible at this point can I? But at least you’ve clarified. Sort of.

On this same topic here’s funny one. My friend who I now have to drop in life because he’s also my source of self medication is black and grew up in a rough part of atlanta (Bouldercrest, best known for Gucci Mane though ironically when Gucci got out of jail I’ve heard from primary sources that he was run out of a gas station in the neighborhood because the folks there believed he was no longer from or properly represented that hood-Bobby Shmurda is next watch). About a year ago he and two siblings inherited about 125ac of land in two parts of Alabama from their grandparents. The siblings needed some cash but it was a huge thing that they not just sell it because owning land is obviously a huge thing to anyone but particularly older Blake people. Anyways I hooked him up with a buddy who’s in the land conservation easement trust space wh in can generate tax credits and its kind of a legal scam because the “made as instructed” (MAI) appraisers will inflate the land value with some form of justification that’s equivalent intellectually of me talking myself out of a speeding ticket. Anyways you can stick land in a trust cheaply and so got him to carve out like 35ac, drop it in a conservation easement trust and then sell the tax credit for around 70 cents on the dollar (the buyers are middlemen who sell the tax credit on to corporations a for between 85-92 cents). The trust stipulates you still own it but can’t build anything on the land for 99yrs so they kept the land only had to commit to not building on a portion of it which is a good thing anyways with absolute latitude on the other 90ac if they want and still picked up like $100k to help get some liquidity for the siblings. Obviously my and my friends assistance was free to them.

I’m sure some will think I’ve Ana led some scumbag but I view it as helping an inter generational family eat what we’ve been snacking on for a 100yrs.

(privileged which even with my background is still true compared with many)
Wow, cool story bro. No one likes you, why do you even bother. Just stay in western New York and watch the snow fall.
To be clear given you just went on five different threads to attack me I will tell you flat out I for the first time ever reported a person. Come find me and talk to my face or be a little nothing.