old salt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:05 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:58 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:52 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:42 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:36 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:44 pm
...show me an infectious disease expert who wouldn't say that getting the crew ashore, quarantined fast, tested and then cleared wouldn't be the best way to both save lives and debilitating illnesses AND to the get the maximum crew back at sea as fast as possible.
A special medical team deployed onboard the TR to deal with potential Covid infections. Throughout the process they were in consultation with the Surgeon General of the Navy.
Did you read his words in the press conf ?
Are you & Capt Crozier more qualified than him to advise the Navy CoC on this issue.
Yup. Certainly Crozier.
And definitely no one who thinks it's 'just a flu'.
But actually, if I'm reading this correctly, the response and pace picked up a lot AFTER Crozier sent his letter, not before.
You're dodging this question too. Did you read the words of the Surgeon General of the Navy -- RADM Gillingham. Yes or No ?
Are you & Capt Crozier better qualified than him & his special medical team aboard the TR to advise the Navy CoC on this issue ? Yes or No ?
jiminy, why don't you just post the relevant bit that you think is so revealing?
What I read is that they moved much faster post letter and now (April 1) are doing a heck of a job if they don't say so themselves...you see something different?
EDIT:
ok, just re-read that part again.
And my description is dead on.
They moved faster and now are doing a heck of a job if they don't say so themselves.
It's a pdf document. My browser won't cut & paste a pdf document.
Prove that the signal flare prompted them to move any faster that what was already underway.
That's just your theory.
Gillingham speaks twice.
Here's part 1
Q: Thank you. I wonder if you could clarify a couple points. You mentioned that you’re doing testing. Is the testing all for COVID-19 or is it for influenza-like symptoms? And if so, what is the breakdown? And also, you mentioned that you had visited Guam two weeks earlier – excuse me, that the Roosevelt had. So was the plan for the Roosevelt to return to Guam? And if so, what was the plan at that point?
ADM. GILDAY: So the return back to Guam was a regularly scheduled port visit. It just happened to coincide with, I think, four days after we had that initial case, that initial positive on the 22nd of March.
REAR ADMIRAL BRUCE L. GILLINGHAM: And if you could please repeat your first question.
Q: Sure. You’ve talked about doing testing of all the sailors and how you’ve accelerated it. I’d like to know if those are all COVID-19 tests, or they test for influenza and then there are subsequent tests if someone comes back positive for COVID-19?
ADM. GILLINGHAM: Thank you. Let me – let me just kind of give you an overview of the – of the testing plan or the algorithm. So our ships have the ability to test for upwards of 20 influenza-like illnesses. COVID-19 only recently has been added to that array as an FDA-approved diagnostic test. As the secretary said, we had four deployed preventive medical units aboard on all three ships of the – of the strike group. They have the ability to do what is known as surveillance testing of – for COVID-19. And so that was used in that expedient, emergent manner to identify those who were presumed positive. As diagnostic capability became more available, we have been confirming those in a – in DOD laboratories. So – and I’m happy to report that now Naval Hospital Guam, due to a lot of hard work by many people, we were able to accelerate the establishment of diagnostic testing at Naval Hospital Guam, and that actually is live now as I speak. So it’s important to understand the difference between surveillance testing and diagnostic testing. The team on the ship, in an overabundance of caution, wanted to identify those who had potentially had the virus, and tested them, confirmed that individually, and then got final confirmation with an FDA-approved test. Over.
And moments later part 2:
Q: Great. And then just to follow up on a different topic, you said the Comfort was there in New York. Have they seen a single patient yet?
SEC. MODLY: I’m not sure. I know the Mercy’s had – as of yesterday when I was there, they’ve had nine – they’ve had 11 patients already. Nine are still on the ship as of yesterday. Two have already been discharged from the Mercy. I was under the impression the Comfort was starting to see patients yesterday, but I don’t have the number. Bruce, do you know?
ADM. GILDAY: None right now, but ready to go. Yes, sir.
ADM. GILLINGHAM: Yes, sir. No, they’ve been – yeah. They’ve been making the arrangements with the local health officials to identify those patients that are appropriate to be transferred to Comfort. And that process is in place. And I believe that patient arrival is imminent.
ahhh, and then a last part:
SEC. MODLY: Well, we’re asking them – this is part of the reason why we’re looking for more space off the ship is to be able to spread the crew out and give them space where they can be isolated. That’s why hotels are actually a pretty good – pretty good place to put people, particularly if they stay where they’re supposed to be for the quarantine period and – or for the isolation period. As far as on the ship, the more people you get off the ship the more you can spread out the ones that are left onboard to include spreading them out when they’re dining and using the bathroom facilities – the head facilities – and so on and so forth. So we’re in agreement with the CO that we need to do all we can to get as many people off the ship while still maintaining the safe operation of the ship and so that they can actually be – demonstrate a little bit more social separation on the ship itself. CNO, do you have anything to add to that? A
DM. GILDAY: No, I appreciate anything that –
ADM. GILLINGHAM: Just perhaps the medical response, sir. And I’d like to reassure everyone as the surgeon general that I have been in contact with the senior medical officer aboard the ship and the entire medical chain of command – the 7th Fleet surgeon, the Pacific Fleet surgeon – and I’m aware he expressed some of this concerns to us. I communicated those to the chain – medical chain of command. I will tell you that even prior to the letter that we anticipated they would need additional medical support. So in conjunction with Naval Hospital Guam, which is a full service hospital, as well as 55 members of the 3rd Medical Battalion from Okinawa, we have created a medical task force. So they are there to support the observation and treatment as necessary of those crew members who are – who are positive.
As the secretary of the Navy emphasized, none of those sailors have required hospitalization either aboard the ship or at Naval Hospital Guam. We will continue to monitor their condition. We believe that their relative health and youth is in their favor. We’re not assuming that they won’t become more ill. But so far, indications are that they will continue to be mildly symptomatic and recover without sequelae.
MODERATOR: All right. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks very much to those in the room. Thank you for dialing in, folks. We’ll talk to you later.
. ...you're dodging my question. Did you read the last 2 paragraphs of Master Chief Smith's remarks, where he talks about the Navy Chief's horizontal communications network & what it was telling him about conditions on the ship ? Did you read that part ? Yes or No ?