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tech37 wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:41 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:17 am
get it to x wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:53 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:13 pm
tech37 wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:08 pm
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tech37 wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:01 pm It is your logic that is remiss. If they had uncovered any reason to indict, the Report would have specifically stated that reason
Says who? You? Mueller ran the show, and did what he wanted.

I already gave you the reason for indictment. It was there for the world to see. And it was literally why Nixon was impeached....obstructing justice.

You don't care that Trump fired the guy investigating him, and then told us why. That's your view, and that's fine. But Nixon was kicked out for it. Pity our morals have degraded so much in such a short amount of time.
Sorry a fan. If they could prove there was obstruction of justice, the report would have definitely said so. It didn't. And still doesn't

Oh, here's my entire post that you edited for some reason: It is your logic that is remiss. If they had uncovered any reason to indict, the Report would have specifically stated that reason but then obviously followed with the fact that they cannot indict a sitting POTUS due to legalities. Where in the Report does it state that?

And "for the record" since "guys like you" keep wanting to label me a Trump supporter, as mentioned many times on here, IMO, TRump should not be allowed to run again for POTUS and I'm praying someone else other than he will become the '24 nominee.
Sorry, tech, but your assumption is factually incorrect and Mueller specifically told us why.

Ethical prosecutors are not supposed to ever accuse someone of a crime unless they are actually indicting them with the full belief that they will achieve a conviction.

So, the Report made clear that they could not indict but that such in no way meant that if this wasn’t a sitting POTUS they could not do so based on what they found, the most obvious of such was the obstruction of justice. And so the obstruction meant that Trump could not be required to be under oath, produce documents, communications, etc and was free to offer shelter to others, pardons etc so as to withhold testimony and evidence.
Will '76 be able to watch the whole 5 minutes? You don't think these jackals did everything in their power to dig up an indictable offense? The tell is at @ 1:50 where Mueller says Trump is a special situation, not entitled to the same protections as any American citizen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfFtq8C_1_4
:lol: :roll: The Rat doesn't let him answer...The Rat wants to hear himself speak, he characterizes the situation and doesn't allow Mueller to explain...which he has a right to do "it's my time". But as a result Mueller is not able to explain. Because the Rat won't let him.

Yes, this is indeed a "special situation". Trump is the sitting POTUS so he can't be indicted (according to DOJ policy...not statute or constitution, just DOJ policy...talk about "protections"!! ) and thus, he is also neither to be considered guilty nor innocent of any potential allegation of a crime by the mere fact of not being indicted.

That Mueller et al felt it was important to say this, rather than to report that they had not found evidence of an otherwise indictable crime does indeed speak volumes, given that what they do report clearly indicates multiple otherwise chargeable offenses of at a minimum obstruction of justice. They detail these potentially chargeable offenses but do not accuse the sitting President nor indict him.
Complete bullsh!t. IF they had indictable evidence they would have done whatever was necessary to nail him and the Report would have screamed "lock him up!" based on that evidence. Claiming the DOJ statute applies to your position in this context is the epitome of specious. It's nothing but an advantageous excuse.
Wow are you out to lunch on this one. :roll: :lol:

Trump refused to produce documents, refused to testify, and strong armed and bought the silence of others. That's indictable obstruction of justice for ANYONE...other than POTUS according to the dumb DOJ policy.

Mueller was a straight arrow, so refused to deviate from the policy.

Likewise, while there was lots and lots of 'collusion', ie communication with Russian agents, communication is not indictable unless conspiracy can be proven. And as no one flipped (promised pardons), no way to prove conspiracy.
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Trial scheduled for Fall of 2022: https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status ... 15842?s=20

#FISA 70-page filing
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asks court NOT to dismiss his suit against former Director Comey + others after IG Horowitz found significant errors in FISA warrants + FISC reversed "probable cause determinations." NOTE: Includes allegations of Comey’s knowledge of Danchencko

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youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:56 am Trial scheduled for Fall of 2022: https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status ... 15842?s=20

#FISA 70-page filing
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asks court NOT to dismiss his suit against former Director Comey + others after IG Horowitz found significant errors in FISA warrants + FISC reversed "probable cause determinations." NOTE: Includes allegations of Comey’s knowledge of Danchencko

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Did DOJ IG Horowitz withhold information from Durham? This article gives background and the actual assertions, such as the IG possessing two of FBI Counsel James Baker's phones which may have been material in the Sussman investigation.

https://yournews.com/2022/01/29/2289947 ... hheld-key/
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youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:56 am Trial scheduled for Fall of 2022: https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status ... 15842?s=20

#FISA 70-page filing
@carterwpage
asks court NOT to dismiss his suit against former Director Comey + others after IG Horowitz found significant errors in FISA warrants + FISC reversed "probable cause determinations
Remember when I told you chaps that you don't care about FISA abuses? Patriot Act ring a bell?

And then you chaps complain for five minutes when "your guy" gets stuck with it?

And now that "your guy" isn't getting screwed by FISA, magically, none of you care about the obvious corruption of FISA anymore and are pretending like it's all fine?

All these systems are still in place, fellas. Hello? Bueller?
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a fan wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:06 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:56 am Trial scheduled for Fall of 2022: https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status ... 15842?s=20

#FISA 70-page filing
@carterwpage
asks court NOT to dismiss his suit against former Director Comey + others after IG Horowitz found significant errors in FISA warrants + FISC reversed "probable cause determinations
Remember when I told you chaps that you don't care about FISA abuses? Patriot Act ring a bell?

And then you chaps complain for five minutes when "your guy" gets stuck with it?

And now that "your guy" isn't getting screwed by FISA, magically, none of you care about the obvious corruption of FISA anymore and are pretending like it's all fine?

All these systems are still in place, fellas. Hello? Bueller?
... in the words of a republican poster to me when I warned about the Patriot Act -- "you don't have anything to worry about if you have nothing to hide" :roll:
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a fan wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:06 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:56 am Trial scheduled for Fall of 2022: https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status ... 15842?s=20

#FISA 70-page filing
@carterwpage
asks court NOT to dismiss his suit against former Director Comey + others after IG Horowitz found significant errors in FISA warrants + FISC reversed "probable cause determinations
Remember when I told you chaps that you don't care about FISA abuses? Patriot Act ring a bell?

And then you chaps complain for five minutes when "your guy" gets stuck with it?

And now that "your guy" isn't getting screwed by FISA, magically, none of you care about the obvious corruption of FISA anymore and are pretending like it's all fine?

All these systems are still in place, fellas. Hello? Bueller?
What, are you you talking about? When did anyone say FISA was clean as a whistle. I guess next you’ll tell us ‘remember I told you women can be mean and then you fellas complain about being married. 😉😘
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:28 pm What, are you you talking about? When did anyone say FISA was clean as a whistle.
Republicans......who complained about Carter...and did NOTHING to fix the obvious problem, and tear FISA apart. Get rid of it.

And the folks who voted to renew the Patriot Act.

And yours truly in the early years of the Forum....explaining how secret courts were inherently corrupt, and should be dismantled immediately.
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jhu72 wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:23 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:06 pm
youthathletics wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:56 am Trial scheduled for Fall of 2022: https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status ... 15842?s=20

#FISA 70-page filing
@carterwpage
asks court NOT to dismiss his suit against former Director Comey + others after IG Horowitz found significant errors in FISA warrants + FISC reversed "probable cause determinations
Remember when I told you chaps that you don't care about FISA abuses? Patriot Act ring a bell?

And then you chaps complain for five minutes when "your guy" gets stuck with it?

And now that "your guy" isn't getting screwed by FISA, magically, none of you care about the obvious corruption of FISA anymore and are pretending like it's all fine?

All these systems are still in place, fellas. Hello? Bueller?
... in the words of a republican poster to me when I warned about the Patriot Act -- "you don't have anything to worry about if you have nothing to hide" :roll:
YouthA wasn't around for that stuff, I don't think.
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Correct, I was not around in the PA years.
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The Patriot Act works when not abused by those empowered to enforce it.

The FISC, like any other court, can be tricked when those who use it, lie to it.
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old salt wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:37 pm The Patriot Act works when not abused by those empowered to enforce it.
?? What kind of citation is that? There's not one mention of the Patriot Act leading to arrests, where the arrests would not have been made without it.
Kismet wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:24 am The FISC, like any other court, can be tricked when those who use it, lie to it.
:lol: So setting aside the ease of corruption because of its secrecy....its fine. Got it.
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Comic Relief
The Durham investigation was a corrupt endeavor from day one.
A couple of quotes from Josh Marshall at TPM:
We’ve discussed John Durham’s crooked and parodic investigation into the ‘origins’ of the Russia probe a number of times before. It’s shaping up to have the outlines of the notorious special counsel investigations (technically office of independent counsel investigations) that led to the old independent counsel law being allowed to lapse in the late 1990s. Durham’s probe into the ‘origins’ of the Russia probe has now gone almost a year longer than the Mueller probe itself.

As Josh Kovensky notes here, last week Durham revealed in a court filing that he had obtained new documents he’d never seen before relevant to his prosecution of Michael Sussman, who he indicted last year for lying to to the FBI. Then on Sunday Durham dropped a new filing in which he admitted that in fact he’d been told about the documents back in 2018.
It’s not uncommon for prosecutors to seek perjury or related non-truth-telling indictments in cases where they cannot indict or prove a case on the underlying bad act they were investigating. This practice is always ripe for abuse. But it’s not unreasonable or necessarily unjust if the perjury or false statement is clear cut and especially if it is tied to the underlying crime or the effort to evade prosecution for that crime. If your lies help you skate on the underlying offense it’s reasonable to hold you account for your lies – if they can be proven. As countless commentators have pointed out, the Sussman prosecution appears to fail on all these counts. It’s a classic case of abuse of power from an investigation that was corrupt from its very beginning.
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It's back.

Frim the WSJ Editorial Board
Trump Really Was Spied On
Durham says techies linked to the Clinton campaign had access to White House and Trump Tower internet data.
By The Editorial Board, Feb. 14, 2022 6:53 pm ET

WSJ Opinion: Durham's New Revelations About Spying on Trump
In a new legal filing, the special counsel says a tech company that had access to Trump's internet communications shared that data with operatives working for the Clinton campaign in 2016.

Special Counsel John Durham continues to unravel the Trump-Russia “collusion” story, and his latest court disclosure contains startling information. According to a Friday court filing, the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign effort to compile dirt on Donald Trump reached into protected White House communications.

The filing relates to Mr. Durham’s September indictment of Michael Sussmann, a lawyer who represented the Clinton campaign while he worked for the Perkins Coie law firm. Mr. Sussmann is accused of lying to the FBI at a September 2016 meeting when he presented documents claiming to show secret internet communications between the Trump Organization and Russia-based Alfa Bank. The indictment says Mr. Sussmann falsely told the FBI he was presenting this information solely as a good citizen—failing to disclose his ties to the Clinton campaign. (He has pleaded not guilty.)

The indictment revealed that Mr. Sussmann worked with “Tech Executive-1,” who has been identified as Rodney Joffe, formerly of Neustar Inc. The indictment says Mr. Joffe used his companies, as well as researchers at a U.S. university, to access internet data, which he used to gather information about Mr. Trump’s communications.

Mr. Durham says Mr. Joffe’s “goal” was to create an “inference” and “narrative” about Mr. Trump that would “please certain ‘VIPs,’ referring to individuals at [Perkins Coie] and the Clinton Campaign.”

The new shocker relates to the data Mr. Joffe and friends were mining. According to Friday’s filing, as early as July 2016 Mr. Joffe was “exploit[ing]” his “access to non-public and/or proprietary Internet data,” including “Internet traffic pertaining to . . . the Executive Office of the President of the United States (“EOP”).”

The filing explains that Mr. Joffe’s employer “had come to access and maintain dedicated servers for the EOP as part of a sensitive arrangement whereby it provided [internet services]” to the White House. Mr. Joffe’s team also was monitoring internet traffic related to Trump Tower, and Mr. Trump’s apartment on Central Park West.

White House communications are supposed to be secure, and the notion that any contractor—much less one with ties to a presidential campaign—could access them is alarming enough. The implication that the data was exploited for a political purpose is a scandal that requires investigation under oath.

The filing suggests the data collection continued into the Trump Presidency. Mr. Durham says that on Feb. 9, 2017, Mr. Sussmann met with a second federal agency (“Agency-2”) to provide “an updated set of allegations,” and that these “allegations relied, in part, on the purported [internet traffic] that [Mr. Joffe] and others had assembled pertaining to Trump Tower, Donald Trump’s New York City apartment building, the EOP” and a healthcare provider.

(Late Monday a spokesperson for Mr. Joffe said in a statement that “contrary to the allegations in this recent filing, Mr. Joffe is an apolitical internet security expert with decades of service to the U.S Government who has never worked for a political party.” The statement added that “there were serious and legitimate national security concerns about Russian attempts to infiltrate the 2016 election” and that “respected cyber-security researchers were deeply concerned about the anomalies they found in the data and prepared a report of their findings, which was subsequently shared with the CIA.”) That could certainly use some elaboration.

The filing says the new allegations Mr. Sussmann provided—claiming suspicious ties between a Russian mobile phone operator and the White House—were also bogus, and that Mr. Sussmann again made the false claim that he wasn’t working on behalf of a client.

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The disclosures raise troubling questions far beyond the Sussmann indictment. How long did this snooping last and who had access to what was found? Who approved the access to White House data, and who at the FBI and White House knew about it? Were Mrs. Clinton and senior campaign aides personally aware of this data-trolling operation?

Mr. Durham’s revelations take the 2016 collusion scam well beyond the Steele dossier, which was based on the unvetted claims of a Russian emigre working in Washington. Those claims and the Sussmann assertions were channeled to the highest levels of the government via contacts at the FBI, CIA and State Department. They became fodder for secret and unjustified warrants against a former Trump campaign official, and later for Robert Mueller’s two-year mole hunt that turned up no evidence of collusion.

Along the way the Clinton campaign fed these bogus claims to a willing and gullible media. And now we know its operatives used private tech researchers to monitor White House communications. If you made this up, you’d be laughed out of a Netflix story pitch.

Mr. Durham’s legal filing is related to certain conflicts of interest in Mr. Sussmann’s legal team, and it remains unclear where else his probe is going. But the unfolding information underscores that the Russia collusion story was one of the dirtiest tricks in U.S. political history. Mr. Durham should tell the whole sordid story.
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This supposedly leak proof Durham investigation seems to be really leaky lately. The indictments so far are underwhelming and don’t seem to be part of a ladder to anyone on top of some great conspiracy.

I suspect that Durham realizes his investigation is not really getting anywhere and someone needs to shake some trees and see if anything falls out.

He has produced essentially nothing of significance in almost three years.
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It's almost like they're trying to distract us from a lot more illegal stuff Trump did that came out recently...

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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 11:07 pm It's almost like they're trying to distract us from a lot more illegal stuff Trump did that came out recently...

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Yup. You hit the nail on the head.
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Durham works for Biden's DoJ ,right ?
Whether it goes to trial or not -- it will make for interesting Congressional hearings.

From the Editors of National Review :
Durham’s Jaw-Dropping Revelation
by THE EDITORS. February 15, 2022 6:30 AM

One characteristic of Russia-gate bombshells is that the mainstream press simply doesn’t cover them. That stands in contrast to the breathless coverage given to the original investigations, even as they never delivered the promised goods.

So it is with the latest jaw-dropping revelation from the Durham investigation. Special Counsel John Durham, of course, is scrutinizing the origins of the Obama administration’s Trump/Russia probe — a probe that holdover officials at the FBI and other government national-security agencies extended into the Trump administration, even as Donald Trump was the sitting president of the United States and, at least nominally, the chief executive to whom those agencies answered.

In a court submission last week, Durham alleged that a tech executive, who was supposed to be helping the government combat cyber threats, used his privileged access to Internet data — specifically, domain name system (DNS) traffic between servers — to mine contacts between Russia and facilities connected to Donald Trump. The information, Durham says, was taken out of context and distorted to suggest that Trump might be a clandestine agent of Vladimir Putin’s regime. Alarmingly, some of the Internet traffic mined in early 2017 was generated by the Executive Office of the President — the White House. That is, the tech executive, who has been identified as Rodney Joffe, was monitoring then-President Trump, trying to portray him as Putin’s mole.

In other words: He was spying on the president of the United States with the aim of harming his ability to govern the country.

Joffe was a Clinton supporter who was hoping to land a big national-security post if Hillary Clinton were elected president in 2016. Joffe and the Clinton campaign got their lawyer, Michael Sussmann, to communicate this “intelligence” about a corrupt Trump-Russia relationship to government intelligence agencies in the hopes that they would take action against Trump. Sussmann, a former Justice Department cyber-security prosecutor, was then a partner at Perkins Coie, the politically connected law firm that represented the Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign.

Last year, Durham indicted Sussmann for lying to the FBI to conceal that he was working for the Clinton campaign and Joffe when he conveyed the information to James Baker, who was then the Bureau’s top lawyer (and an old acquaintance of Sussmann’s). Last week’s revelation by Durham indicates that, even after Sussmann delivered information to the FBI during the 2016 presidential campaign, Joffe continued to scrutinize Trump-connected Internet traffic. Durham has now disclosed that he intends to prove that Sussmann delivered the skewed data to another intelligence agency — apparently, the CIA — in February 2017, after Trump was already in office. That is, Clinton campaign operatives were using privileged information and insider access to nudge the government’s intelligence and law-enforcement apparatus to spy on the sitting president.

This is outrageous, but at this point not surprising. We already knew, based on prior government disclosures and Justice Department inspector-general reports, that the FBI and Justice Department obtained national-security surveillance warrants from a secret federal court based on suspicions that Trump and his campaign were doing Putin’s bidding. That surveillance continued for more than half a year into Trump’s administration.

The Clinton campaign, we now know, played a huge role in generating the suspicions that spawned the government’s investigation, not least by commissioning the discredited “Steele Dossier,” which the FBI used to persuade the court to issue the warrants. Durham has also indicted Igor Danchenko, the principal source for funneling bogus Trump/Russia “collusion” information to Christopher Steele.

The former president has long maintained that government agencies colluded with the Clinton campaign to slander him as a Russian operative, hampering his capacity to govern and leading to the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller, whose report ultimately cleared Trump on that score. Republicans are hoping that Durham brings about, in response, a legal gotterdammerung.

We should be clear, though, on the state of play. Durham has not charged anyone with conspiring to defraud the government or a court. Neither Joffe nor Steele has been charged with a crime. And the only offenses for which Sussmann and Danchenko have been indicted involve lying to the FBI about who the sources of their information were; there is no allegation it was improper to provide the information — or even that the information was bogus, though there is abundant reason to believe it was at least badly misleading.

Most significantly, Durham is operating from a premise that the government, particularly the FBI, was duped by the Clinton operatives. Indeed, the one other indictment Durham has filed resulted in a slap on the wrist for an FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, whose crime was to lie to an FBI agent — in connection with the CIA’s having informed the Bureau that Carter Page, a former Trump campaign adviser, had been voluntarily providing the CIA with intelligence about Russia.

It appears, though, that government agencies, at their top hierarchies, were predisposed to believe the worst about Trump, that they were biased against him, and that they failed to view highly dubious derogatory information about him with a skeptical eye — including failing to verify it before using it in court to obtain surveillance authority. Worse, they continued to pursue investigations as if they, not the president, were charged by the Constitution with running the executive branch.

That is not a case of the government being in a Watergate-style criminal conspiracy with the Clinton campaign, but it certainly bears a family resemblance to Watergate.

All indications are that Durham’s final report will be damning — and, if the pattern holds, ignored by all the same people in the media who promoted Russia-gate for years. Even if few people ever face legal jeopardy for this, there ought to be political repercussions as well as serious thought given to preventing similar abuses in the future.
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Another false narrative from the Right's media stooges and the Trump Crime Syndicate:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/14/us/p ... ussia.html

"When John H. Durham, the Trump-era special counsel investigating the inquiry into Russia’s 2016 election interference, filed a pretrial motion on Friday night, he slipped in a few extra sentences that set off a furor among right-wing outlets about purported spying on former President Donald J. Trump.

But the entire narrative appeared to be mostly wrong or old news — the latest example of the challenge created by a barrage of similar conspiracy theories from Mr. Trump and his allies.

Upon close inspection, these narratives are often based on a misleading presentation of the facts or outright misinformation. They also tend to involve dense and obscure issues, so dissecting them requires asking readers to expend significant mental energy and time — raising the question of whether news outlets should even cover such claims. Yet Trump allies portray the news media as engaged in a cover-up if they don’t.

The latest example began with the motion Mr. Durham filed in a case he has brought against Michael A. Sussmann, a cybersecurity lawyer with links to the Democratic Party. The prosecutor has accused Mr. Sussmann of lying during a September 2016 meeting with an F.B.I. official about Mr. Trump’s possible links to Russia.

The filing was ostensibly about potential conflicts of interest. But it also recounted a meeting at which Mr. Sussmann had presented other suspicions to the government. In February 2017, Mr. Sussmann told the C.I.A. about odd internet data suggesting that someone using a Russian-made smartphone may have been connecting to networks at Trump Tower and the White House, among other places.

Mr. Sussmann had obtained that information from a client, a technology executive named Rodney Joffe. Another paragraph in the court filing said that Mr. Joffe’s company, Neustar, had helped maintain internet-related servers for the White House, and that he and his associates “exploited this arrangement” by mining certain records to gather derogatory information about Mr. Trump.

Citing this filing, Fox News inaccurately declared that Mr. Durham had said he had evidence that Hillary Clinton’s campaign had paid a technology company to “infiltrate” a White House server. The Washington Examiner claimed that this all meant there had been spying on Mr. Trump’s White House office. And when mainstream publications held back, Mr. Trump and his allies began shaming the news media.

“The press refuses to even mention the major crime that took place,” Mr. Trump said in a statement on Monday. “This in itself is a scandal, the fact that a story so big, so powerful and so important for the future of our nation is getting zero coverage from LameStream, is being talked about all over the world.”

There were many problems with all this. For one, much of this was not new: The New York Times had reported in October what Mr. Sussmann had told the C.I.A. about data suggesting that Russian-made smartphones, called YotaPhones, had been connecting to networks at Trump Tower and the White House, among other places.

The conservative media also skewed what the filing said. For example, Mr. Durham’s filing never used the word “infiltrate.” And it never claimed that Mr. Joffe’s company was being paid by the Clinton campaign.

Most important, contrary to the reporting, the filing never said the White House data that came under scrutiny was from the Trump era. According to lawyers for David Dagon, a Georgia Institute of Technology data scientist who helped develop the Yota analysis, the data — so-called DNS logs, which are records of when computers or smartphones have prepared to communicate with servers over the internet — came from Barack Obama’s presidency.

“What Trump and some news outlets are saying is wrong,” said Jody Westby and Mark Rasch, both lawyers for Mr. Dagon. “The cybersecurity researchers were investigating malware in the White House, not spying on the Trump campaign, and to our knowledge all of the data they used was nonprivate DNS data from before Trump took office.”

In a statement, a spokesperson for Mr. Joffe said that “contrary to the allegations in this recent filing,” he was apolitical, did not work for any political party, and had lawful access under a contract to work with others to analyze DNS data — including from the White House — for the purpose of hunting for security breaches or threats.


After Russians hacked networks for the White House and Democrats in 2015 and 2016, it went on, the cybersecurity researchers were “deeply concerned” to find data suggesting Russian-made YotaPhones were in proximity to the Trump campaign and the White House, so “prepared a report of their findings, which was subsequently shared with the C.I.A.”

A spokesman for Mr. Durham declined to comment.

Mr. Durham was assigned by the attorney general at the time, William P. Barr, to scour the Russia investigation for wrongdoing in May 2019 as Mr. Trump escalated his claims that he was the victim of a “deep state” conspiracy. But after nearly three years, he has not developed any cases against high-level government officials.

Instead, Mr. Durham has developed two cases against people associated with outside efforts to understand Russia’s election interference that put forward unproven, and sometimes thin or subsequently disproved, suspicions about purported links to Mr. Trump or his campaign.

Both cases are narrow — accusations of making false statements. One of those cases is against Mr. Sussmann, whom Mr. Durham has accused of lying during a September 2016 meeting with an F.B.I. official about Mr. Trump’s possible links to Russia.

(Mr. Durham says Mr. Sussmann falsely said he had no clients, but was there on behalf of both the Clinton campaign and Mr. Joffe. Mr. Sussman denies ever saying that, while maintaining he was only there on behalf of Mr. Joffe — not the campaign.)

Both Mr. Sussmann’s September 2016 meeting with the F.B.I. and the February 2017 meeting with the C.I.A. centered upon suspicions developed by cybersecurity researchers who specialize in sifting DNS data in search of hacking, botnets and other threats.

A military research organization had asked Georgia Tech researchers to help scrutinize a 2015 Russian malware attack on the White House’s network. After it emerged that Russia had hacked Democrats, they began hunting for signs of other Russian activity targeting people or organizations related to the election, using data provided by Neustar.

Mr. Sussmann’s meeting with the F.B.I. involved odd data the researchers said might indicate communications between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, a Kremlin-linked institution. The F.B.I. dismissed suspicions of a secret communications channel as unfounded. In the indictment of Mr. Sussmann, Mr. Durham insinuated that the researchers did not believe what they were saying. But lawyers for the researchers said that was false and that their clients believed their analysis.

The meeting with the C.I.A. involved odd data the researchers said indicated there had been communications with Yota servers in Russia coming from networks serving the White House; Trump Tower; Mr. Trump’s Central Park West apartment building; and Spectrum Health, a Michigan hospital company that also played a role in the Alfa Bank matter. The researchers also collaborated on that issue, according to Ms. Westby and Mr. Rasch, and Mr. Dagon had prepared a “white paper” explaining the analysis, which Mr. Sussmann later took to the C.I.A.

Mr. Durham’s filing also cast doubt on the researchers’ suggestion that interactions between devices in the United States and Yota servers were inherently suspicious, saying that there were more than three million such DNS logs from 2014 to 2017 — and that such logs from the White House dated back at least that long.

But Ms. Westby and Mr. Rasch reiterated that YotaPhones are extremely rare in the United States and portrayed three million DNS logs over three years as “paltry and small relative to the billions and billions” of logs associated with common devices like iPhones.

“Yota lookups are extremely concerning if they emanate from sensitive networks that require protection, such as government networks or people running for federal office,” they said."
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seacoaster wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:31 am Another false narrative from the Right's media stooges and the Trump Crime Syndicate:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/14/us/p ... ussia.html

"When John H. Durham, the Trump-era special counsel investigating the inquiry into Russia’s 2016 election interference, filed a pretrial motion on Friday night, he slipped in a few extra sentences that set off a furor among right-wing outlets about purported spying on former President Donald J. Trump......
This article is a place setting to walk back corruption..... the 'who', has yet to be determined. I am amazed you are falling for it, especially after reading and recommending '"The FIfth Risk". That book clearly articulated that the staff from the last administration hung around for quite a long time....waiting for direction that often never came. Which implies what? Yep.....staff that still had access to continue whatever they needed to do.

I posted this link in another thread, which certainly paints a daunting picture of outside influence by all parties and an intended software platform to hide campaign donations. And no, it appears it was not setup by team trump, but he indeed benefited from it, as have others.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/whistl ... opayments/
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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Sounds like Sussman will be able to get his indictment dismissed and that this was an attempted distraction from the reality that the Durham investigation, which has already gone far longer than the Mueller investigation, will likely produce zero convictions.

Nada.

Also sounds like this monitoring has been grossly misrepresented by Durham. But great temporary click bait.
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