"The Deep State" aka the American Intelligence Community

[Kismet]

OS is going to have a coronary over this piece

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/us/t ... ssier.html

Why the Discredited Dossier Does Not Undercut the Russia Investigation

"Donald J. Trump and his backers say revelations about the Steele dossier show the Russia investigation was a “hoax.” That is not what the facts indicate.

WASHINGTON — Former President Donald J. Trump and his allies have stepped up an effort to conflate the so-called Steele dossier with the Russia investigation following the indictment of a researcher for the document on charges that he lied to the F.B.I. about some of its sources.

Mr. Trump and his supporters have long sought to use the flaws of the dossier to discredit the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election — and the nature of numerous links between Russia and the Trump campaign — as a “hoax.”

But the available evidence indicates that the dossier was largely tangential to the Russia investigation. Here is a look at the facts."

[a fan]

OS is going to have a coronary over this piece

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/us/t ... ssier.html

Why the Discredited Dossier Does Not Undercut the Russia Investigation

"Donald J. Trump and his backers say revelations about the Steele dossier show the Russia investigation was a “hoax.” That is not what the facts indicate.

WASHINGTON — Former President Donald J. Trump and his allies have stepped up an effort to conflate the so-called Steele dossier with the Russia investigation following the indictment of a researcher for the document on charges that he lied to the F.B.I. about some of its sources.

Mr. Trump and his supporters have long sought to use the flaws of the dossier to discredit the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election — and the nature of numerous links between Russia and the Trump campaign — as a “hoax.”

But the available evidence indicates that the dossier was largely tangential to the Russia investigation. Here is a look at the facts."

Wait-----so you mean that things like TeamTrump meeting with a Russian )*#$ing spy in Trump #)*$ing Tower played a far larger role in TeamTrump getting investigated? Or that TeamTrump couldn't say "good morning" without lying? Or that multiple members broke laws and lied about what they did, wasting everyone's time for no reason?

Naaaaah. It's "everyone else's" fault that this happened. Because nothing makes a FBI or DoJ investigator go away faster than lying to them about everything and anything. Unless you want to count, oh, I don't know-----firing the guy who's investigating you and your team.

And boy, what a coincidence that Biden didn't fire the people investigating Hunter when he took office. It's almost as if he's not as stupid as millions of Americans who think that's a fine thing to do. Or hey, fire the IRS Commissioner Rettig for his current investigation into Hunter's Taxes?

Remember when posters were INSISTING that it's perfectly fine for a President to fire the person investigating him and his allies? For MONTHS.

Btw, notice we don't have one single poster whining like a child that Hunter is being investigated? No whining about a Deep State trying to take Biden out because Biden is threatening to raise taxes or some made up stupid "reason".

Hunter's getting investigated for the same reason TeamTrump was-----shady *hit. If you do shady, borderline illegal stuff? You're going to attract attention. That's it. That's as complicated as it gets. No tin foil needed.

Yeah. "The Deep State" is trying to take Hunter down. Does everyone get how STUPID these allegations are now?

Of course not. Stick to your guns, right?

[old salt]

OS is going to have a coronary over this piece

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/us/t ... ssier.html

Why the Discredited Dossier Does Not Undercut the Russia Investigation

"Donald J. Trump and his backers say revelations about the Steele dossier show the Russia investigation was a “hoax.” That is not what the facts indicate.

WASHINGTON — Former President Donald J. Trump and his allies have stepped up an effort to conflate the so-called Steele dossier with the Russia investigation following the indictment of a researcher for the document on charges that he lied to the F.B.I. about some of its sources.

Mr. Trump and his supporters have long sought to use the flaws of the dossier to discredit the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election — and the nature of numerous links between Russia and the Trump campaign — as a “hoax.”

But the available evidence indicates that the dossier was largely tangential to the Russia investigation. Here is a look at the facts."

When Biden's poll #'s drop & China bullies Taiwan -- it's back to Russia, Russia, Russia.

This is a coordinated campaign -- the Atlantic, NYT, WP & other lefty msm lemmings. erasing Mueller & rewriting history.
...no matter what Mueller found or did not find, who he did or did not indict, the collusion narrative is still just too good not to be true -- just like Dan Rather, W & the TX ANG.

Sure the Russians tried to feed disinformation to both campaigns. The DNC paid for it via Fusion GPS then Steele got the msm & the Deep State apparatchiks to use it. Trump made a joke of it & encouraged Wikileaks to reveal the emails. What turned our to be authentic & what was bar talk ?
Yes, the Russians hacked the DNC -- the Trump campaign had nothing to do with that. How did Natasha's Alfa Bank server scoop turn out ?

David Frum, let out of his straight jacket

[youthathletics]

It is crazy how these outlets are hanging on to everything trump. It was only a short 5-6 years ago the NYT was on the verge of going in to the crapper....until Trump came along. Once he arrived, their digital subscriptions flourished, as did all of media.

[old salt]

Frum, Kismet's NYT piece & others from the WP, the Altlantic, Mother Jones & others with egg on their face & tarnished Pulitzers, is a coordinated effort to drown out Durham's indictment of Danchenko & distract from their complicity in perpetuating the hoax.

Remarkable coincidence in the timing of this campaign with the release of the best seller on Hunter's laptop from hell.
Remember the 50 former Deep State spooks who authenticated that as Russian disinformation ?

https://news.yahoo.com/opinion-no-collu ... 50360.html

Opinion: No collusion — how Americans were fed a false tale about Donald Trump's 2016 campaign

James S. Robbins
November 9, 2021

Does anyone still believe the story that Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to win the 2016 presidential election? If so, special counsel John Durham’s indictment of Igor Danchenko should put their minds at rest.

The 39-page document is rich with detail on the origins, use and abuse of the Russian collusion story as a means to undermine the 2016 Trump campaign.

Danchenko is identified as the person who collected information “that ultimately formed the core of the allegations” in the infamous dossier by Christopher Steele. Danchenko was indicted on lying to the FBI in 2017 about who he was working with and where his information came from.

The indictment exposes former Hillary Clinton aide Charles Dolan, identified only as “PR Executive-1,” as an important Danchenko source. Dolan allegedly fed Danchenko information he claimed he had obtained when he “had a drink with a GOP friend,” but later admitted he had fabricated the story. The indictment also shows that PR Executive-1 was an important source for reporting by The Washington Post and the Times of London when the Steele dossier scandal broke in January 2017.

The Danchenko indictment is particularly telling in detailing how the fake story was inserted into the political ecosystem, starting with Dolan and perhaps others. Danchenko allegedly fed the falsehoods to Steele, a British former intelligence operative hired by Fusion GPS to conduct the research.

Fusion GPS had been retained by Clinton campaign lawyer Marc Elias, whom law professor Johnathan Turley has called a "potential apex target” of the Durham probe. Clinton supporters in the government slipped the information to sympathetic operatives in the Justice Department, who used it to mount a spying campaign on Trump. And the American news media spread the rumors, which undermined the Trump presidency.

While the Danchenko indictment offers many new details on what was sold as a "well-developed conspiracy of cooperation" between the Trump campaign and Russia, ample evidence of the falsehood of this notion has been available for years.

As early as October 2017, The Post reported that the “Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund research that resulted in a now-famous (Steele) dossier containing allegations about President Trump’s connections to Russia and possible coordination between his campaign and the Kremlin.”

As was later revealed, the dossier became the basis for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants against Trump aide Carter Page, and unprecedented FBI surveillance on the Trump campaign before the election.

Accusations were a political dirty trick
By 2017, it was clear that “Russian collusion” was just a political dirty trick. But the narrative was firmly embedded in the liberal mind, and the wheels of the Washington investigative apparatus were turning, so the false story lived on.

Its legitimacy was bolstered in 2018 by Pulitzer Prizes awarded to The New York Times and The Washington Post for “deeply sourced, relentlessly reported coverage” of “Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and its connections to the Trump campaign, the President-elect’s transition team and his eventual administration.”

Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation was supposed to have been the grand reckoning for Trump, the comprehensive exposure of the colluders and how they undermined American democracy. Mueller’s 2019 report was long on how Moscow attempted to interfere in the 2016 election. But on the matter of collusion with the Trump campaign, Mueller came up empty, and for good reason. The collusion never existed.

Now the Durham investigation is laying bare the extent of the conspiracy to derail the Trump campaign and thwart his presidency. The probe has so far led to the arrest of three people accused of spreading the false Russia conspiracy theory.

This is good news, and hopefully more indictments will follow. It is important to understand how operatives connected to the Hillary Clinton campaign conspired to harness the political system to undermine American democracy and weaken a legitimately elected president.

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY

[seacoaster]

It is crazy how these outlets are hanging on to everything trump. It was only a short 5-6 years ago the NYT was on the verge of going in to the crapper....until Trump came along. Once he arrived, their digital subscriptions flourished, as did all of media.

I think this may be baloney. You have any credible data to support the notion the the NYT was “on the verge” of something calamitous just before you helped install the Moron?

[a fan]

When Biden's poll #'s drop & China bullies Taiwan -- it's back to Russia, Russia, Russia.......

...........This is a coordinated campaign -- the Atlantic, NYT, WP & other lefty msm lemmings. erasing Mueller & rewriting history.

Odd, you left out that the above outlets are responding to FoxNation's coordinated campaign. A campaign designed to make team tin foil hat happy.

And, of course, it's working.


And why does ANYONE give a *hit about this? Because Trump is going to run, that's why. Which is why FoxNation won't let this drop.

But sure, call the MSM lemmings, while forgetting to call your team lemmings who will fall along with any excuse to make Trump into a misunderstood martyr. Poor Trump. The media is just SO mean to him.

Yes, the Russians hacked the DNC -- the Trump campaign had nothing to do with that.

So you say. Because of course, only YOU are allowed to make unfounded allegations, and keep telling us that the other shoe is going to drop on your Deep State.

For five years now, OS. When do you let it go, and simply admit that Trump brought the whole mess on himself? Lies. Firing Comey. Meeting with spies. He did it to himself.

And BTW.......where are your claims of Deep State with multiple agencies going after Hunter, OS? Poor guy, can't catch a break. Show me the man, and I"ll show you the crime.....suddenly all your concerns about this Deep State don't apply here?

[a fan]

It is crazy how these outlets are hanging on to everything trump

He's running for POTUS, and midterm elections are approaching for allll the nutjobs who want to declare fealty to Trump. You're telling me that you don't get it? Come on.

Why do you think we talked about Benghazi for four years-----and then the millisecond Hillary lost? Suddenly, as if by magic, no one on the right gives a *hit about Benghazi.

Kabuki.

[seacoaster]

It is crazy how these outlets are hanging on to everything trump

He's running for POTUS, and midterm elections are approaching for allll the nutjobs who want to declare fealty to Trump. You're telling me that you don't get it? Come on.

Why do you think we talked about Benghazi for four years-----and then the millisecond Hillary lost? Suddenly, as if by magic, no one on the right gives a *hit about Benghazi.

Kabuki.

Folks have said this one way or another to YA fifty times on this board. But he needs this like nourishment. This is an important, if small, piece of the narrative that YA needs to show that the mass media and other dark forces are working against him, and that the GOP is always ganged up on and cancelled. The left and its media whores, he says, are obsessed with Trump. Of course, it's nonsense to suggest that Trump, the putative nominee, lead charlatan, money grubber and fundraiser, is not newsworthy.

[MDlaxfan76]

OS is going to have a coronary over this piece

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/us/t ... ssier.html

Why the Discredited Dossier Does Not Undercut the Russia Investigation

"Donald J. Trump and his backers say revelations about the Steele dossier show the Russia investigation was a “hoax.” That is not what the facts indicate.

WASHINGTON — Former President Donald J. Trump and his allies have stepped up an effort to conflate the so-called Steele dossier with the Russia investigation following the indictment of a researcher for the document on charges that he lied to the F.B.I. about some of its sources.

Mr. Trump and his supporters have long sought to use the flaws of the dossier to discredit the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election — and the nature of numerous links between Russia and the Trump campaign — as a “hoax.”

But the available evidence indicates that the dossier was largely tangential to the Russia investigation. Here is a look at the facts."

Well, you were right!

Blew Salty's mind, youth's too.

Nah, Trump and his minions, his Campaign, etc are innocent as the driven snow...never once lied about meeting with Russians, never once met with Russian agents, never once asked Russia for assistance, never had any idea that the Russians were doing what they could to promote Trump over Clinton, they're totally innocent! Innocent I say...Mueller proved they are innocent!

Look over here instead, Deep State!
Dirty Dossier, Deep State, Hillary!

[youthathletics]

It is crazy how these outlets are hanging on to everything trump

He's running for POTUS, and midterm elections are approaching for allll the nutjobs who want to declare fealty to Trump. You're telling me that you don't get it? Come on.

Why do you think we talked about Benghazi for four years-----and then the millisecond Hillary lost? Suddenly, as if by magic, no one on the right gives a *hit about Benghazi.

Kabuki.

Folks have said this one way or another to YA fifty times on this board. But he needs this like nourishment. This is an important, if small, piece of the narrative that YA needs to show that the mass media and other dark forces are working against him, and that the GOP is always ganged up on and cancelled. The left and its media whores, he says, are obsessed with Trump. Of course, it's nonsense to suggest that Trump, the putative nominee, lead charlatan, money grubber and fundraiser, is not newsworthy.

Such massive conflation of two, very, different topics. It's thinking like this that put him in office. I am astonished you can't separate the two issues.

[youthathletics]

It is crazy how these outlets are hanging on to everything trump

He's running for POTUS, and midterm elections are approaching for allll the nutjobs who want to declare fealty to Trump. You're telling me that you don't get it? Come on.

Why do you think we talked about Benghazi for four years-----and then the millisecond Hillary lost? Suddenly, as if by magic, no one on the right gives a *hit about Benghazi.

Kabuki.

I get it loud and clear..it's the entire point. If you could only convince seacoaster and MDlax of the same.

[a fan]

It is crazy how these outlets are hanging on to everything trump

He's running for POTUS, and midterm elections are approaching for allll the nutjobs who want to declare fealty to Trump. You're telling me that you don't get it? Come on.

Why do you think we talked about Benghazi for four years-----and then the millisecond Hillary lost? Suddenly, as if by magic, no one on the right gives a *hit about Benghazi.

Kabuki.

I get it loud and clear..it's the entire point. If you could only convince seacoaster and MDlax of the same.

Missed the sarcasm....sorry about that.

[youthathletics]

It is crazy how these outlets are hanging on to everything trump. It was only a short 5-6 years ago the NYT was on the verge of going in to the crapper....until Trump came along. Once he arrived, their digital subscriptions flourished, as did all of media.

I think this may be baloney. You have any credible data to support the notion the the NYT was “on the verge” of something calamitous just before you helped install the Moron?

Thanks to Trump, the New York Times added more subscribers in three months than in all of 2015

In police work, they call that a clue.

[tech37]

Frum, Kismet's NYT piece & others from the WP, the Altlantic, Mother Jones & others with egg on their face & tarnished Pulitzers, is a coordinated effort to drown out Durham's indictment of Danchenko & distract from their complicity in perpetuating the hoax.

Timing: Gotta love how msnbc/maddow exhumed Hillary for the occasion this past week as well

[a fan]

It is crazy how these outlets are hanging on to everything trump. It was only a short 5-6 years ago the NYT was on the verge of going in to the crapper....until Trump came along. Once he arrived, their digital subscriptions flourished, as did all of media.

I think this may be baloney. You have any credible data to support the notion the the NYT was “on the verge” of something calamitous just before you helped install the Moron?

Thanks to Trump, the New York Times added more subscribers in three months than in all of 2015

In police work, they call that a clue.

Yes-----but recall we were told the media hated Trump.

What was Maddow's post Trump deal again? 20 million or some crazy number? That's a lot of "hate"....

[tech37]

Innocent I say...Mueller proved they are innocent!

Mueller... really? You mean Weissmann, as in the Weissmann Report? Anyone not suffering from delusions, like some on here, saw/heard Mueller testify. That's all it took to convince many that Mueller was MIA re "the report," nothing more than an uniformed figurehead.

I think the majority of Americans now realize "Russian collusion" was bullsh!t. Durham's work will continue to confirm that.

[seacoaster]

Innocent I say...Mueller proved they are innocent!

Mueller... really? You mean Weissmann, as in the Weissmann Report? Anyone not suffering from delusions, like some on here, saw/heard Mueller testify. That's all it took to convince many that Mueller was MIA re "the report," nothing more than an uniformed figurehead.

I think the majority of Americans now realize "Russian collusion" was bullsh!t. Durham's work will continue to confirm that.

A little dated, but not so much:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1R72S0

I think people understand, especially after Helsinki, that the Moron and his campaign were in the pocket from the get-go.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Innocent I say...Mueller proved they are innocent!

Mueller... really? You mean Weissmann, as in the Weissmann Report? Anyone not suffering from delusions, like some on here, saw/heard Mueller testify. That's all it took to convince many that Mueller was MIA re "the report," nothing more than an uniformed figurehead.

I think the majority of Americans now realize "Russian collusion" was bullsh!t. Durham's work will continue to confirm that.

A little dated, but not so much:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1R72S0

I think people understand, especially after Helsinki, that the Moron and his campaign were in the pocket from the get-go.

Russia used State assets to help Trump win. He welcomed the help.

[tech37]

Innocent I say...Mueller proved they are innocent!

Mueller... really? You mean Weissmann, as in the Weissmann Report? Anyone not suffering from delusions, like some on here, saw/heard Mueller testify. That's all it took to convince many that Mueller was MIA re "the report," nothing more than an uniformed figurehead.

I think the majority of Americans now realize "Russian collusion" was bullsh!t. Durham's work will continue to confirm that.

A little dated, but not so much:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1R72S0

I think people understand, especially after Helsinki, that the Moron and his campaign were in the pocket from the get-go.

Yikes... in this day and age, quite dated.