HooDat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:17 am
DMac wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:31 am
PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:21 am
DMac wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:14 am
How many posters do you have here? You have a handful of people who go back and forth (and spend way too much time wallowing in the sky is falling and nothing is right world). Of that handful how many don't like OS's persona? 80-90%? This is not a level playing field and posters are way too trigger happy to take shots at OS, there is no question about that. I'm not a left-right, D-R person but right here you can see how the more left and D folks who claim moral and ethical superiority are real quick to jump on and be nasty to those who disagree or are of a different opinion. This is as plain to see as the noses on your faces boys.
Is this just an observation, or do you have a remedy? Should people who have a difference of opinion refrain from voicing it when OS opines? Should OS not opine? What is your plan?
Of course it's an observation (a years long one at that). Nope, no one should refrain from or not opine. I'm not interested in coming up with a remedy and have no plan to do so.
When it was LP and there were many, many more posters (and some pretty darn sharp ones at that) things didn't go down the way they do here where it's a 9 v 1 and everybody pile on game. The discussions were much better there, was a much broader base and much less gang mentality. Jus' sayin'.
DMac has a point here. And I am sorry MDlax, I don't think there boards are anywhere near 60/40. There is something about FanLax that leans very far left. There are a lot of very left leaning participants on the politics forum that do nothing other than post memes or pithy put-downs on conservatives.
No. There's one. Brookie. And for years and years, everyone ignored him. Read his sometimes funny, sometimes not comics .....and moved on.
You guys are leaving out a WHOLE mess of context from all those years at Laxpower. I'll give you my opinion as to why the Republicans (who aren't conservatives) scurried away.
The Water Cooler started at the very end of the Bush era. It's a pity we can't search those old posts. The first posters knew each other from years of posting on (mostly) the D1 section of Laxpower.
So Obama takes office, and we've got the spectrum of right, left and center. And what happens for the next 8 years? Obama can't do anything right. Posters blame Obama for anything that happens anywhere. Arab spring comes to mind. Obama's in charge of what happens in Egypt. Why? Oh, he made a speech. So it's all on him. And then came the complaints on "apologizing" for America. Then he left Iraq wrong. And handled Putin wrong. And on and on.
And then the Tea Party, complaining about "out of control spending". So guess how plentiful and happy Republicans are to post on Laxpower with a D in the White House, and two wars he inherited from Bush?
Oh, they LOVED posting here, naturally.
Now were many or even most of these criticisms valid/legit? Of course!!! But that's not the problem.
Trump shows up. Now these posters are on the hook for all the "honest" complaints they made when Obama was in office. 8 years of telling us what's important to them in governance. All while insisting that they're discussing their "values", instead of complaining because they're Republicans and Obama was a Dem.
Do I need to tell you what happened next? I'll do it if you want.
Cliff notes? Trump arrives, and "miraculously", all their values disappear. Suddenly spending isn't a problem (my point that Trump made the Federal Gv. 66% larger in a laughable 4 years). Tea party disappears immediately. More socialism isn't a problem. Billions in cash handouts to farmers for no reason isn't a problem. The corruption they were livid about under Obama isn't a problem. Fannie and Freddie.....they were LIVID about them under Obama. Under Trump? Not a peep. And it goes on and on.
So what did I and other posters who took their complaints under Obama at face value do? We hammered them. This is a marketplace for ideas, and just a few months of Trump showed us that these posters aren't conservatives at all. They're partisans.....and will find excuses as to why what Trump did is fine. Or not a big deal. Or "you guys have TDS"....all while forgetting about all the "values" they claimed they had when Obama was in office.
Speaking for myself? I was REALLY disappointed to find this out the hard way. I took their critiques of Obama seriously....when it turns out that they would have been Obama's biggest fan, if all Obama did was run as a Republican.
That's the context guys. And this is why the fake conservatives ran away. They REFUSED to criticize Trump for doing the same stuff they lost their minds over when Obama did it. And they didn't like getting called out for being hypocrites. So they left.
if Hillary had won the election? No one would have known this. And the Republicans would have stayed here, and gleefully kept right on criticizing Hillary's little D.
Some poster here want to pretend that every new post in written in a vacuum. It's not. There's context here. And the actual conservatives left the building, my man. Why do you think I keep asking: what's the plan if you guys get in power to fix things, and help the working class, and pull power away from the globalist that they are claiming they despise?
You don't find it disturbing that not one supposed conservative can answer that question? I do. It sucks. Because it means it's all on the Dems to govern on the Federal level. The R's have plainly and clearly given up.
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