a fan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:24 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:50 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:59 pm
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:37 pm
your... rpi... does... not.... go... up... with... a loss.
It can only go in three places after a game: up, down, or stay the same.
You're telling me that RPI doesn't go up with a loss against a quality team? I'd buy that if your'e #1, and lose to...well....anyone, but are you sure this is a hard and fast rule?
I'm seeing "new RPI's" that NCAA sports have adopted of late where the weight on outcomes moves around, so maybe we're not talking about the same RPI?
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:37 pm
rpi evaluates the totality of your record against the totality of your schedule. qw's as constituted does not do that.
Yes. RPI and SOS are there to quantify losses. QW ignores losses, as well as wins against weak teams.
Which is what the NCAA tournament does. We've discussed this LONG ago: I want teams to WIN their way to a bid. I don't care who a team lost to.
And I completely understand that I'm alone on an island with this view.
firstly, i wrote it like that, as an absolute, because that is how you did. but the opposite.
That's brilliant....the minute I did that (made it absolute), I regretted it. That's a nuanced put down....and you're not wrong to do it. I had it coming, and this gave me a good chuckle.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:50 pm
and i care if a team lost to bad teams.
So does everyone else. As I wrote, I understand I'm out on an island with my beliefs, and that I'll never get things my way. Them's the breaks.
wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:50 pm
this is all without saying that, as the rules for criteria to be primarily considered for selection are presently and have always been written: YOUR OWN RPI IS NOT SUPPOSED TO MATTER! but like you said in a later post, as the coaches, fans, etc. don't seem to care how the sausage is made or if they're following directions, then i don't care, either. just tell me who is in.
...and yet as you and I know, that RPI for individual teams does matter. Sometimes. But not always. Or not at all.
It is what it is, as the kids say.
of course, we all have our faves!!! i just don't see how isolating a couple of games of an entire resume is fair to anyone but schedulers. the big boys get 6-10 bites at the apple. a mid-major gets several, 4 or 5 if they're lucky.
your position on rpi moving on "good losses" isn't unique. a lot of people don't understand how it works in detail. and people take "good losses" incorrectly, imo (not you, you don't care)... it's not as bad of losses. i agree with the latter that the "explanations" at times have been wanting.
here's where i am: better wins and not as bad losses(or even).. easy pick.
close, slightly or more better wins and slightly + worse losses... the wins should win out.
beyond the problems of "what're they gonna do this year?" is... you lose to a #16 (or #21) vs another team's #12... are they really that different? because that's gonna stick out like a sore thumb. and it's a marginal, fractional calculation in that mix giving you that.
so what to do? how about... we give points for wins and subtract points for losses? a loss also incurs an opportunity cost, as does having too many cheap wins.
i.e. win vs bottom 20 teams...10 points
win vs next bottom 20 teams... escalating 2 points, so a win vs #35 gives 50 points.
win vs next 15 teams, escalating 3 points... win vs #21 gives 95 points.
win vs next 10, escalating 4 points, up to 135 @ #11.
win vs next 10, escalating 5 points, so vs #1 worth 185 points.
do losses in reverse, maybe tagging #1 loss @ 20 points and escalting slower to finish around 110 or so deductions.
or someone can code more appropriate numbers. you can have everyone play same number of games, or take an average of games, or throw out worst wins so game numbers are equal. don't count conference tournament do-overs.
you're evaluating all the games, because all the games (not just the few good ones you win) should matter.
or... just have some softball and baseball associate ad's run it out for whatever their feels are.