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Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:41 pm
by stupefied
That matchup would certainly be interesting and well attended if it comes off , would expect Maryland to win but hopefully get a encouraging showing by Cuse to appease the fanbase.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:42 pm
by ohmilax34
a fan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:02 pm
jhu06 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:12 pm
-Benson thrived with Maryland last year. Same guy, new surrounding, different result.
That tells you all you need to know, but you're too busy bashing your HOF coach to pay attention.
But sure, you're right----how come Benson didn't just run his "give the ball to Bernhardt" offense when he was at Hopkins?
Gee, i just can't figure it out. Come to think of it, why didn't Desko use Benson's "give the ball to Bernhardt" offense last year?
Hmmm. Lacrosse is complicated. I'll have to think on that.
If I was going to bet on which of 06's post you'd quote and reply to, I would've picked:
-whether he can rediscover his ability to make the adjustments he did from 04 to 05, 13 to 14/15, and in season 07/08 that produced his greatest success as a coach.
I think there is an argument that JHU's offense was usually pretty good, even though Benson didn't really develop players. I guess that means they got some talented offensive recruits??? The problem was on the defensive side of the ball, or so the argument goes. Therefore, Benson having success at UMD makes sense. I haven't looked at the numbers. UMD is loaded again in 2022 even without Bernhardt, so it may be awhile again before Benson has to REALLY coach.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:50 pm
by a fan
OCanada wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:26 pm
He had the best 2 SSDM middies i have seen on the field at the same time: Kyle Harrison and Benson Irwin. My opinion,
Once you display a skill you own it.
I didn’t see the same level of skill in the later players as i did in the early players.
Yup. And it's not even a close call.
Hop16 gets it: recruiting. He was out-recruited, full stop. You can't make Final Fours consistently with a bunch of B players when the other team all have A players.
If Cuse recruits well, they'll make Final Fours. If they don't, no amount of coaching will get them there.
If coaching was all that was needed, Cuse's FInal Four streak would never have ended.
This is a simple sport, always has been.
If you watched the Championship Game and said "wow, that was great coaching", you're blind. It was a complete fundamental *hitshow from top to bottom. Overslides, missed slides, bad passes, missed ground balls, idiotic clears, and on and on.
But it was glorious lacrosse where the players figured it out, and I can't wait for more.....
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:12 pm
by OCanada
Yep.
Desko and Petro did not forget how to coach. I have heard Desko, Petro, Bill and several others say pretty much the same thing. You have to have the athletes to compete for and win titles.
Each school has different issues but the trend line was similar.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:55 pm
by jhu06
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:40 pm
Very little of 06's post is worth paying attention to.
Petro's biggest fault, according to most, was the early recruiting. That has been solved on its own due to the rule change. Neither he nor anyone else can commit to 8th graders anymore.
The other main issue cited by many was that he put too much on his plate as the head coach, lead recruiter, and defensive coordinator all at the same time, which some argue (I think with some validity, as Petro himself admitted) led to occasional lapses in all three facets over time. That, too, has cleared up on its own, as now he gets to focus on the D while Gait handles most of the other stuff.
There were occasional concerns about player behavior but that is really not unique to him and happens at a lot of places. Including, obviously, Syracuse, very recently and much more publicly.
So he's already starting at Cuse from a *completely* different place from when he last coached. Whether or not that will allow him more success, I have no idea. But most of these questions are irrelevant. Don't even get me started about "his relationship with Jay Wright." Who has ever given a sh*t about that LOL
-My post was more legit than 90 percent of the coverage of his move to syracuse which has the same "he was a winner 35 and 20 years ago, let's not discuss why he's now in a lesser role at an archrival so we don't hurt anyones feelings" nonsense that syracuse.com, IL, and lm has run. Those weren't guys he was pulling out of nowhere with no other options. They were kids praised across the sport by paid and unpaid punditry.
-Duke, speed, size, athleticism, goaltending, ssdms, recruiting, performances of players in May, record against the acc, personnel management (sticking with dud veterans too long), those issues that haunted him at Hopkins don't just vanish because he changes his work email and remember chief desko was more successful at syracuse than he was at Hopkins.
-I liked joe benson as a fellow student never had an issue with that family. I wasn't big on 5'7 converted attackmen as midfielders.
-no one told him to recruit 8th graders in fact I'm sure a lot of people told him not too.
-"Wait until next year when they have a superstar class coming in" was a familiar refrain at Hopkins. Then the 18 year olds come already trying to get their bearings as student athletes w/media and fans expecting them to play like HOF and creates a huge cycle of issues. ESPN spent one broadcast maybe in 2011 or something talking about how the kids at Hopkins felt so much strain and pressure from the expectations that the younger alumni were writing them letters and emails telling them to just relax and play.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:57 am
by DMac
Nice to have the eat your young crowd hangin' at the Cuse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPFGWVK ... rt_radio=1
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:58 am
by HopFan16
He probably learned it from the truly horrible treatment of Jordan Evans.
Noticed Cook has been the latest punching bag over on the Cuse forums
If only they treated Scanlan like that
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:19 am
by OCanada
06 is part of the problem not part of the solution.
The causes are not something he pays attention to. He would rather seize on the manifestations they cause.
GBs. That is a player problem not a coaching problem.
The players are who you get after it all sorts out. What you end with is not necessarily a reflection of who your first priorities were
Hopkins Board in laxpower was one of the most insightful, so was Cuse. CUse still has some of its core
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:43 am
by ohmilax34
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:58 am
He probably learned it from the truly horrible treatment of Jordan Evans.
Noticed Cook has been the latest punching bag over on the Cuse forums
If only they treated Scanlan like that
Actually, there was a lot of balanced discussion on laxpower of Evans (I remember because I was part of it) and I see the discussion of Cook now seems rather balanced. There will always be folks that are less civil, but for the most part it seems like the discussion is fair to those players.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:52 am
by HopFan16
ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:43 am
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:58 am
He probably learned it from the truly horrible treatment of Jordan Evans.
Noticed Cook has been the latest punching bag over on the Cuse forums
If only they treated Scanlan like that
Actually, there was a lot of balanced discussion on laxpower of Evans (I remember because I was part of it) and I see the discussion of Cook now seems rather balanced. There will always be folks that are less civil, but for the most part it seems like the discussion is fair to those players.
Balanced.... What does it matter if roughly half the fan base defends him when the other half absolutely tears him to shreds and says really awful things about him? I remember, I was there too. I bet his family remembers. Never said that treatment was universal. The same way 06 does not represent all Hopkins fans but that doesn't mean his constant BS doesn't exist. Thought it was cute DMac of all people was the one to point out 06's drivel. Just saying I wouldn't act like the Cuse contingent hasn't eaten its young before.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:59 am
by DMac
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:58 am
He probably learned it from the truly horrible treatment of Jordan Evans.
Noticed Cook has been the latest punching bag over on the Cuse forums
If only they treated Scanlan like that
https://www.bing.com/search?q=deflectio ... A1&PC=LCTS
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:42 am
by ohmilax34
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:52 am
ohmilax34 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:43 am
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:58 am
He probably learned it from the truly horrible treatment of Jordan Evans.
Noticed Cook has been the latest punching bag over on the Cuse forums
If only they treated Scanlan like that
Actually, there was a lot of balanced discussion on laxpower of Evans (I remember because I was part of it) and I see the discussion of Cook now seems rather balanced. There will always be folks that are less civil, but for the most part it seems like the discussion is fair to those players.
Balanced.... What does it matter if roughly half the fan base defends him when the other half absolutely tears him to shreds and says really awful things about him? I remember, I was there too. I bet his family remembers. Never said that treatment was universal. The same way 06 does not represent all Hopkins fans but that doesn't mean his constant BS doesn't exist. Thought it was cute DMac of all people was the one to point out 06's drivel. Just saying I wouldn't act like the Cuse contingent hasn't eaten its young before.
I wouldn't call what you're describing "balance", but that's not how I remember it on laxpower. I'm not talking about syracuse.com forums.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:07 am
by DMac
You can backpedal and deflect all you want, 16, but the fact of the matter is the Hop thread has been the harshest and most critical of both coaches and players for years.....oh, and don't forget about admin and the AD too. They do eat their young there and they've earned their reputation.
Now your solution is what, no criticism, only flowery words of praise? Evans demanded number 22 then underperformed (bigly). Cook chalked up one goal last year. There's no room for criticism there?
JFTR, I'm not a participant from reading to commenting at cuse.com so I don't know what goes on there.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:46 am
by Antonio114
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:58 am
He probably learned it from the truly horrible treatment of Jordan Evans.
Noticed Cook has been the latest punching bag over on the Cuse forums
If only they treated Scanlan like that
Each line gets more nonsensical. Just incredible. You are 70% smart thoughtful guy with a firm knowledge of the current state of the game 30% incredibly weak troll. Some people here are incredibly weak trolls 100% of the time so you are better than most. Those people I just ignore. You however actually have something relevant to say quite often. I am begging you to drop the 30% trolling so I can actually stand going over to fanlax.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:01 pm
by HopFan16
Antonio114 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:46 am
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:58 am
He probably learned it from the truly horrible treatment of Jordan Evans.
Noticed Cook has been the latest punching bag over on the Cuse forums
If only they treated Scanlan like that
Each line gets more nonsensical. Just incredible. You are 70% smart thoughtful guy with a firm knowledge of the current state of the game 30% incredibly weak troll. Some people here are incredibly weak trolls 100% of the time so you are better than most. Those people I just ignore. You however actually have something relevant to say quite often. I am begging you to drop the 30% trolling so I can actually stand going over to fanlax.
What was trolling about that? Glass houses, that's all I'm saying. I'm not denying some Hop fans have in the past and continue to eat their own. I'm willing to acknowledge that the fan base of which I'm a part is sometimes — too often for my liking — negative in a way that feels personal and that's inappropriate especially coming from anonymous people on an internet board. God knows I have called out virtually every post 06 has ever made because 99% of them are garbage. I just remember how terrible some people in the Syracuse community treated Evans. Some treated him far worse than they did Scanlan, which was my point about that. DMac's post — "nice to have the eat your young crowd hangin at Cuse" — implied that those kinds of people haven't "hung out" there before, and we all know that's BS. Again, glass houses.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:23 pm
by Antonio114
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:01 pm
Antonio114 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:46 am
HopFan16 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:58 am
He probably learned it from the truly horrible treatment of Jordan Evans.
Noticed Cook has been the latest punching bag over on the Cuse forums
If only they treated Scanlan like that
Each line gets more nonsensical. Just incredible. You are 70% smart thoughtful guy with a firm knowledge of the current state of the game 30% incredibly weak troll. Some people here are incredibly weak trolls 100% of the time so you are better than most. Those people I just ignore. You however actually have something relevant to say quite often. I am begging you to drop the 30% trolling so I can actually stand going over to fanlax.
I just remember how terrible some people in the Syracuse community treated Evans. Some treated him far worse than they did Scanlan, which was my point about that.
You know, whenever I am talking to a group of fellow cuse fans, some of them always say "beating up your girlfriend I can handle, but not making an impact in your early years while wearing 22? That is where I draw the line!" Some of us say that in unison at the end of our group meetings. I took down my Jordan Evans poster and burned it after he barely got double digit points as a sophomore. I troll his linkedin account weekly to remind him of this.
Still say a little prayer to my Scanlan poster before I go to bed though. I mean yes he did beat up his girlfriend, but you think we can just ignore that production in the shortened 2020 season? More than Evans in his full sophomore year!? No way! This is a position that myself and some other Cuse fans share. Good point.
I better go over to the Hop board more often and talk about totally true things some of their fans do. Remember, it won't be trolling, just making a point.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:49 pm
by Hail to the Victors
OCanada wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:19 am
06 is part of the problem not part of the solution.
The causes are not something he pays attention to. He would rather seize on the manifestations they cause.
GBs. That is a player problem not a coaching problem.
The players are who you get after it all sorts out. What you end with is not necessarily a reflection of who your first priorities were This wasn't a dice game. I love Petro, but he bears a large portion of the responsibility for how it all sorted out. And '06 may have some wacky takes, but please don't tell me that he's wrong about the SSDM situation. It festered for years with guys playing on nothing but heart. BTW, do you remember seeing 5'4" Matt Dolente playing man-down D? I do.
Hopkins Board in laxpower was one of the most insightful, so was Cuse. CUse still has some of its core
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:00 pm
by DMac
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:29 pm
by stupefied
Most every college sport forums have posters who are over the the top manics when things are going well but those same posters will quickly turnaround and trash whoever and whatever they can when things are going poorly. Read any game thread for any team , criticism is easy from the armchair and Ive been guilty of doing so. Most readers appreciate perspectives who generalize specifics without personalizing criticism , those posters understand there are ups and downs in competition and there is a competing opponent who also has highlights and flubs. As far as the Cuse fanbase, my recall of Evans was many expressed disappointment in his production given high expectations but few disparaged or ridiculed . He was a solid player just not the star hoped for. Any critique of Cook has been brief, Refhuss had been more criticized for perceived weaknesses , he was recently voted top fifty in PLL so there to us. Scanlan was treated accordingly, first given the benefit of doubt by many then exorciated when facts came out.
Re: Syracuse 2022
Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:06 pm
by jhu06
DMac wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:07 am
You can backpedal and deflect all you want, 16, but the fact of the matter is the Hop thread has been the harshest and most critical of both coaches and players for years.....oh, and don't forget about admin and the AD too. They do eat their young there and they've earned their reputation.
Now your solution is what, no criticism, only flowery words of praise? Evans demanded number 22 then underperformed (bigly). Cook chalked up one goal last year. There's no room for criticism there?
JFTR, I'm not a participant from reading to commenting at cuse.com so I don't know what goes on there.
This is a cuse forum, and I stand by the list of things I listed that I'm curious to see if petro can fix. There's one critical Hopkins poster (me) and tens of thousands of positive ex players, parents, alums, and lacrosse fans across social media win or lose. I wouldn't call that "eating their young".