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Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:11 am
by wgdsr
and none of what maryland is doing is exclusive to them. hopkins, syracuse, some socon teams, caa, bunch of other mid-majors. there's even an ivy or 2 that look like they may be headed down this path, which i'm not sure i thought i'd see. service academies are probably the biggest proponents, maybe for some expected reasons in the other duties and standards that they have. any player/family should be able to see with eyes wide open what the paths may be at any particular school if they can do simple math.
if that's what you sign up for, it shouldn't be surprising or noteworthy that that is what you get.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:07 am
by youthathletics
It's called realism. The best thing the HC told my son while on a visit before he committed is that I can see you playing a pivotal role by your junior and senior year, maybe your soph year.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:18 am
by Voyuer
There are certainly programs that always over recruit. So they will have the most transfers. Whether D1 lax players who are not seeing the field, stay and finish four years of lax, depends on how much they love the school and their teammates. Certain schools don't play a lot of guys yet nobody transfers or quits. Other schools/teams seem to always have 3-4 guys no longer on the roster.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:41 am
by blue angels
Voyuer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:18 am
There are certainly programs that always over recruit. So they will have the most transfers. Whether D1 lax players who are not seeing the field, stay and finish four years of lax, depends on how much they love the school and their teammates. Certain schools don't play a lot of guys yet nobody transfers or quits. Other schools/teams seem to always have 3-4 guys no longer on the roster.
Exactly, why any prospective student athlete should ask themselves, " Would I still be happy attending college here if I didn't play lacrosse" With injuries, development, etc., things don't always go according to plan but if you are in the right place, less of a need to transfer.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:59 am
by Cooter
Voyuer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:18 am
There are certainly programs that always over recruit. So they will have the most transfers. Whether D1 lax players who are not seeing the field, stay and finish four years of lax, depends on how much they love the school and their teammates. Certain schools don't play a lot of guys yet nobody transfers or quits. Other schools/teams seem to always have 3-4 guys no longer on the roster.
I think I would phrase it more like
"Whether D1 lax players who are not seeing the field, stay and finish four years of lax, depends on how much they like the school versus getting a chance to play lacrosse."
I add the last phrase, because various student athletes put different values on "the chance to play lacrosse" vs academics.
Other things can also influence this - injury, misbehavior, grades, ...
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:44 pm
by Henpecked
Voyuer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:18 am
There are certainly programs that always over recruit. So they will have the most transfers. Whether D1 lax players who are not seeing the field, stay and finish four years of lax, depends on how much they love the school and their teammates. Certain schools don't play a lot of guys yet nobody transfers or quits. Other schools/teams seem to always have 3-4 guys no longer on the roster.
I would love to know the name of the school where nobody transfers or quits. I am trying to think of one but can't.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:14 pm
by lagerhead
As soon as a recruit has signed his letter of intent the coach is ACTIVELY looking for his replacement.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:37 pm
by keno in reno
So if a coach has available slots but enough players to field a team, he should:
1) stop recruiting because the team is good enough
2) recruit worse players than are on the roster, so the existing players don't feel bad
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:53 pm
by wgdsr
keno in reno wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:37 pm
So if a coach has available slots but enough players to field a team, he should:
1) stop recruiting because the team is good enough
2) recruit worse players than are on the roster, so the existing players don't feel bad
ya, how it's reading.
i prefer to think these are just mantras being reposted so we don't forget them.
if i'm an ad and my coach isn't trying to get the best players he can to fill out his team, years into the future... his results probably are gonna need to be a bar higher than the mendoza/benefit-of-the-doubt line.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:39 am
by OCanada
It’s the coach’s job to improve his team. He owes itvgo the players, the coaching staff and his employer.
My first year at Hopkins Scottie has a meeting with us. Tells us that while we are good enough athletically we need to improve our skills but probably won’t see any PT until junior year because roster etc.
One wanted PT and he picked up the phone and called another coach and said he had a player that might fit his program well.
There were kids who would go to him when in HS and ask if they would be a good fit for a different school.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:22 am
by Voyuer
Henpecked wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:44 pm
Voyuer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:18 am
There are certainly programs that always over recruit. So they will have the most transfers. Whether D1 lax players who are not seeing the field, stay and finish four years of lax, depends on how much they love the school and their teammates. Certain schools don't play a lot of guys yet nobody transfers or quits. Other schools/teams seem to always have 3-4 guys no longer on the roster.
I would love to know the name of the school where nobody transfers or quits. I am trying to think of one but can't.
Bucknell went 4 years that i know of...i am sure there are others that have very little attrition.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:14 am
by Peter Brown
C'mon everybody...doesn't anyone know where G-town's Brandau will land? Where is Ty Xanders when you need him?!?!
My lacrosse feed is so boring right now. Even the Hopkins posters here are demoralized...their feed has zero false hope, only an earned, bitter vibe. I hardly enjoy the schadenfreude anymore. They're like the Bagel Boss guy on Bay Shore LI yesterday complaining about being 5' tall on dating sites and having women make fun of him all day. Then the big guy just decks him to the ground.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:21 am
by Peter Brown
I guess some people had not heard of the Bagel Boss guy.
Bagel Boss guy (ie: the current state of Johnny Hopkins lacrosse, angry at being 5' tall):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmTNIaat6eg
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:11 pm
by stupefied
LOL, too funny. Thanks for the good laugh PB
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:33 pm
by pcowlax
Looks like a former Hopkins SSDM but with more fire.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:51 pm
by TheBigIguana
Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:27 pm
TheBigIguana wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:03 pm
Maryland definitely over recruits. They have top 100 recruits transferring out every year. No other program has that problem.
Sometimes the rankings are wrong, and we are still dealing with early recruits.
While it does look like Tillman has over-recruited a bit at attack, although Tillman does use attackmen at midfield, the Terps just have 3 goalies and 3 FOmen heading into the fall. Tillman also needed to bring in transfer LSM Ubriaco to shore up the defense (a ranked recruit).
I think Tillman recruits the way he needs to to be a success at UMd.
I have noticed that you, Hopkins' fans, Big Iguana, have gotten pretty content at not competing for the title these days, but at UMd we still like to be among the top contenders.
My school has the same number of titles as Maryland in the last decade and went out in the same round of the tournament this year as the Terps so I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about. It's possible to compete without telling kids things that you can't possibly uphold.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:25 pm
by Dunker
Voyeur: Bucknell defenseman Teddy Mckenzie transferred to DU circa 2013. He played football and lacrosse at Bucknell.
The stuff about Bagel Boy is too funny. It was on the NY TV news channels last night.
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:25 pm
by Wheels
Didn't Peter Conley transfer to Duke for his senior year? Or was that a grad transfer?
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:03 pm
by houndace1
Wheels wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:25 pm
Didn't Peter Conley transfer to Duke for his senior year? Or was that a grad transfer?
Grad transfer. He spent 4 years at Georgetown
Re: Pre-2020 summer transfers
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:49 pm
by HGK25
Georgetown does not have a one year post grad program as other schools do. That was a factor in Conley - Duke and now Aslanian - ND, playing their RS years away from the Hilltop. Hoyas do have one, possibly two, impact RS returning this year.